Quote from mashficool on June 6th, 2012, 02:37 PM

an excerpt from ravi's replication document. page 14

If you order large pipes and cut them, you need to get the tubes annealed once they
are cut and finished to lengths before being assembled. It’s done in a separate inert
atmosphere furnace of Nitrogen or Argon. You have people who do heat treatment for
metals they'll give you the procedure if you tell them the grade you are using.
Tell them that you need a bright anneal in nitrogen or argon atmosphere. Annealing is
done after every cold work operation and at the finishing stage to reset the lattice
structure. As we are cutting the pipes and slightly finishing the surfaces with sand paper
to remove any imbedded impurities during tube drawing, it’s all cold working. So you
need to relieve these induces stresses in the lattice through annealing.
Ravi advises - Use an abrasive cutter or a saw and then anneal them as you induce a
lot of stresses in the lattice during cutting due to the hot and cold areas. If you use laser
then you could cut the annealed tubes as you are not inducing any mechanical
stresses during the cutting but you could check along the length with a compass and
see if there’s any difference. Take a compass close to the tubes and you can usually
see it deflecting before annealing but once the annealing is done the deflection is a
fraction of what you have seen before on the same tubes or none at all, this is what you
want.
Assembly options- It appears that Dave Lawton used insulated copper wire to connect
to his tubes. Ravi used spot wielded stainless steal wire on his tubes. Originally Ravi had
his wires too long which had a negative impact on his efficiency. He then had to
shorten them.

I would not go to all that expense and trouble to do all of that unless you have lots of money and just want to, because, for one thing, it's already been done, by Lawton and Ravi, second is, that the end result of Stan's work was the water sparkplug, not the fuel cell, the fuel cell was just a stepping stone to that end, third is the fact, that it's dangerous to store hydrogen, that's what's being done with the water fuel cell and the whole reason for the water sparkplug. I mean to say, I don't want to step on any ones toes here but I think the best thing to do here is stick to the plan as best we can, thanks, Jeff.:D

Quote from adys15 on June 6th, 2012, 03:35 PM

forget the darn pipes...they are not important,Pulharich even used steal coated with nichel...soo....whatever....which of you built the gated pulse circuit and works?I finished  it today,is just like stans,bit by bit,checked 1000 times the conections with multimeter and does not work....if I disconect pin8 of 74122 from pin5 of 7408 the 7408 works alone....50% pulses...and canot adjust,if i conect pin 8 to 5 it kills it///waiting for your trobleshooter:))

charge that you are using in your transformer VIC.?
As is, where the frequency of the "gate"?
What is the frequency of the scanner?
In the manual position, can find the resonance point?
I will now repeat my tests, using instead of the cell, perhaps a 470K resistor and a 10nF capacitor as load VIC. Alternatively the cell without water.
charge that you are using in your transformer VIC.?
As is, where the frequency of the "gate"?
What is the frequency of the scanner?
In the manual position, can find the resonance point?
I will now repeat my tests, using instead of the cell, perhaps a 470K resistor and a 10nF capacitor as load VIC. Alternatively the cell without water.
Puharich, used low voltage. In his report appears high voltage, while the water does not complete the circuit.
On the other hand if we have an oxide of a tube as a dielectric, it makes perfect sense.

Quote from Faisca on June 6th, 2012, 03:40 PM

with or without resonance, anyway speak of a capacitor cell with water.
I'm already on the bench with my prototype and I'm stopped just this detail: the concentric tubes (resonant cavity, I use only one), with any type of water represent a low resistance, far from a capacitor. So we need to create a dielectric, or perhaps as Ravi passivating conditioning tubes to achieve high voltage at the load.
Anyone know how to, get this passivation of stainless steel?

1/2 AMP NO MORE, what ever voltage, my tubes started passivization @ 12 volts DC, white film started to form, as soon as I raised the amps it started to flake off. The more the white filmed formed, I had an increase in HHO production. I think high voltage with the vic coil and the circuits we already have will work, once we have the water sparkplug to test with we will know for sure. So, we should continue the work the scientific way, prove or disprove a theory, this is the only way we will succeed, thanks, Jeff.:cool::D:P[/quote]I know at 500mA maximum. but with electrolyte, or plain water? 12V with continuous or pulsed, with inductors?
How long is on, and the resting time getting air?[/quote]Try 1 min. on 2 min's off, do this about 10 times and you will see a white film starting to form, then 2 min on 3 min off 10 times, then 10 min on 10 min off, then 30 min on and so on. That's about all Ravi did. Ravi just did what he thought would work by experimentation, he really had nothing set in stone to go by. Resting time in water not air and plan water , nothing added, 12 volts pulsed with inductor's, this is what I did and does work for conditioning of the tubes, the only thing I haven't done is try higher voltages.:D

Quote from Faisca on June 6th, 2012, 04:03 PM

Quote from adys15 on June 6th, 2012, 03:35 PM

forget the darn pipes...they are not important,Pulharich even used steal coated with nichel...soo....whatever....which of you built the gated pulse circuit and works?I finished  it today,is just like stans,bit by bit,checked 1000 times the conections with multimeter and does not work....if I disconect pin8 of 74122 from pin5 of 7408 the 7408 works alone....50% pulses...and canot adjust,if i conect pin 8 to 5 it kills it///waiting for your trobleshooter:))

charge that you are using in your transformer VIC.?
As is, where the frequency of the "gate"?
What is the frequency of the scanner?
In the manual position, can find the resonance point?
I will now repeat my tests, using instead of the cell, perhaps a 470K resistor and a 10nF capacitor as load VIC. Alternatively the cell without water.
charge that you are using in your transformer VIC.?
As is, where the frequency of the "gate"?
What is the frequency of the scanner?
In the manual position, can find the resonance point?
I will now repeat my tests, using instead of the cell, perhaps a 470K resistor and a 10nF capacitor as load VIC. Alternatively the cell without water.
Puharich, used low voltage. In his report appears high voltage, while the water does not complete the circuit.
On the other hand if we have an oxide of a tube as a dielectric, it makes perfect sense.

I don't exactly understand what you are asking...i do not started the vic yet because i dont know all the conections for sure and i don't get the gating working....is b***it... 12 hours work for nothing

Quote from adys15 on June 7th, 2012, 05:29 AM

Quote from Faisca on June 6th, 2012, 04:03 PM

Quote from adys15 on June 6th, 2012, 03:35 PM

forget the darn pipes...they are not important,Pulharich even used steal coated with nichel...soo....whatever....which of you built the gated pulse circuit and works?I finished  it today,is just like stans,bit by bit,checked 1000 times the conections with multimeter and does not work....if I disconect pin8 of 74122 from pin5 of 7408 the 7408 works alone....50% pulses...and canot adjust,if i conect pin 8 to 5 it kills it///waiting for your trobleshooter:))

charge that you are using in your transformer VIC.?
As is, where the frequency of the "gate"?
What is the frequency of the scanner?
In the manual position, can find the resonance point?
I will now repeat my tests, using instead of the cell, perhaps a 470K resistor and a 10nF capacitor as load VIC. Alternatively the cell without water.
charge that you are using in your transformer VIC.?
As is, where the frequency of the "gate"?
What is the frequency of the scanner?
In the manual position, can find the resonance point?
I will now repeat my tests, using instead of the cell, perhaps a 470K resistor and a 10nF capacitor as load VIC. Alternatively the cell without water.
Puharich, used low voltage. In his report appears high voltage, while the water does not complete the circuit.
On the other hand if we have an oxide of a tube as a dielectric, it makes perfect sense.

I don't exactly understand what you are asking...i do not started the vic yet because i dont know all the conections for sure and i don't get the gating working....is b***it... 12 hours work for nothing

of which circuit we are talking about.
We're not all doing the VIC with PLL system?
Show me the diagram and where this defect.

Quote from Faisca on June 7th, 2012, 08:13 AM

Quote from adys15 on June 7th, 2012, 05:29 AM

Quote from Faisca on June 6th, 2012, 04:03 PM

Quote from adys15 on June 6th, 2012, 03:35 PM

forget the darn pipes...they are not important,Pulharich even used steal coated with nichel...soo....whatever....which of you built the gated pulse circuit and works?I finished  it today,is just like stans,bit by bit,checked 1000 times the conections with multimeter and does not work....if I disconect pin8 of 74122 from pin5 of 7408 the 7408 works alone....50% pulses...and canot adjust,if i conect pin 8 to 5 it kills it///waiting for your trobleshooter:))

charge that you are using in your transformer VIC.?
As is, where the frequency of the "gate"?
What is the frequency of the scanner?
In the manual position, can find the resonance point?
I will now repeat my tests, using instead of the cell, perhaps a 470K resistor and a 10nF capacitor as load VIC. Alternatively the cell without water.
charge that you are using in your transformer VIC.?
As is, where the frequency of the "gate"?
What is the frequency of the scanner?
In the manual position, can find the resonance point?
I will now repeat my tests, using instead of the cell, perhaps a 470K resistor and a 10nF capacitor as load VIC. Alternatively the cell without water.
Puharich, used low voltage. In his report appears high voltage, while the water does not complete the circuit.
On the other hand if we have an oxide of a tube as a dielectric, it makes perfect sense.

I don't exactly understand what you are asking...i do not started the vic yet because i dont know all the conections for sure and i don't get the gating working....is b***it... 12 hours work for nothing

of which circuit we are talking about.
We're not all doing the VIC with PLL system?
Show me the diagram and where this defect.

here are the skematics vic...dont know how to hook it up ,and the gate does not work,they are exact like stans,checked 1000times

charge that you are using in your transformer VIC.?
As is, where the frequency of the "gate"?
What is the frequency of the scanner?
In the manual position, can find the resonance point?
I will now repeat my tests, using instead of the cell, perhaps a 470K resistor and a 10nF capacitor as load VIC. Alternatively the cell without water.
charge that you are using in your transformer VIC.?
As is, where the frequency of the "gate"?
What is the frequency of the scanner?
In the manual position, can find the resonance point?
I will now repeat my tests, using instead of the cell, perhaps a 470K resistor and a 10nF capacitor as load VIC. Alternatively the cell without water.
Puharich, used low voltage. In his report appears high voltage, while the water does not complete the circuit.
On the other hand if we have an oxide of a tube as a dielectric, it makes perfect sense.[/quote]I don't exactly understand what you are asking...i do not started the vic yet because i dont know all the conections for sure and i don't get the gating working....is b***it... 12 hours work for nothing[/quote]of which circuit we are talking about.
We're not all doing the VIC with PLL system?
Show me the diagram and where this defect.[/quote]here are the skematics vic...dont know how to hook it up ,and the gate does not work,they are exact like stans,checked 1000times[/quote]horrible, this is not a schematic, with symbols. Is a diagram of the components in assembly with their caps. It is much easier and practical to use the schematic.
From what I could understand, You refer to Figure 6 (PCT/US90/06407) and 74122 is "A26" this is who shapes the pulses coming from "M1" or "B". The 7408 should not work alone, it processes that went by "K" along with the output of "A26".
You're very confused. This part of the device, has no relevance now. All this is to control the "gate". And it can be replaced by a simple 555, because what is important is the VIC and the PLL system.
Myself, I will only deal with the "control gate" after succeeding with the operation of the VIC (which I think is common sense).
Anyway, if the schematic is easier to perceive and understand the logic errors.

Quote from Faisca on June 6th, 2012, 03:40 PM

with or without resonance, anyway speak of a capacitor cell with water.
I'm already on the bench with my prototype and I'm stopped just this detail: the concentric tubes (resonant cavity, I use only one), with any type of water represent a low resistance, far from a capacitor. So we need to create a dielectric, or perhaps as Ravi passivating conditioning tubes to achieve high voltage at the load.
Anyone know how to, get this passivation of stainless steel?

1/2 AMP NO MORE, what ever voltage, my tubes started passivization @ 12 volts DC, white film started to form, as soon as I raised the amps it started to flake off. The more the white filmed formed, I had an increase in HHO production. I think high voltage with the vic coil and the circuits we already have will work, once we have the water sparkplug to test with we will know for sure. So, we should continue the work the scientific way, prove or disprove a theory, this is the only way we will succeed, thanks, Jeff.:cool::D:P[/quote]I know at 500mA maximum. but with electrolyte, or plain water? 12V with continuous or pulsed, with inductors?
How long is on, and the resting time getting air?[/quote]Hi,

Just a thought, what will happen if the Cell is coted with something stopping it from shorting in the water and the voltage then rises until the coting can't contain the voltage anymore and then it arcs through to the water and then mabe splits the water....? a video from Stan that i've seen shows shiny pipes and no brow muck coted pipes....?

Quote from Mechanic on June 7th, 2012, 11:31 AM

Quote from Faisca on June 6th, 2012, 03:40 PM

with or without resonance, anyway speak of a capacitor cell with water.
I'm already on the bench with my prototype and I'm stopped just this detail: the concentric tubes (resonant cavity, I use only one), with any type of water represent a low resistance, far from a capacitor. So we need to create a dielectric, or perhaps as Ravi passivating conditioning tubes to achieve high voltage at the load.
Anyone know how to, get this passivation of stainless steel?

1/2 AMP NO MORE, what ever voltage, my tubes started passivization @ 12 volts DC, white film started to form, as soon as I raised the amps it started to flake off. The more the white filmed formed, I had an increase in HHO production. I think high voltage with the vic coil and the circuits we already have will work, once we have the water sparkplug to test with we will know for sure. So, we should continue the work the scientific way, prove or disprove a theory, this is the only way we will succeed, thanks, Jeff.:cool::D:P

I know at 500mA maximum. but with electrolyte, or plain water? 12V with continuous or pulsed, with inductors?
How long is on, and the resting time getting air?[/quote]Hi,

Just a thought, what will happen if the Cell is coted with something stopping it from shorting in the water and the voltage then rises until the coting can't contain the voltage anymore and then it arcs through to the water and then mabe splits the water....? a video from Stan that i've seen shows shiny pipes and no brow muck coted pipes....?[/quote]NB: Also looked at thewaterenergy1's video's on You Tube and the tube set too was shiny...

Quote from Faisca on June 7th, 2012, 09:59 AM

charge that you are using in your transformer VIC.?
As is, where the frequency of the "gate"?
What is the frequency of the scanner?
In the manual position, can find the resonance point?
I will now repeat my tests, using instead of the cell, perhaps a 470K resistor and a 10nF capacitor as load VIC. Alternatively the cell without water.
charge that you are using in your transformer VIC.?
As is, where the frequency of the "gate"?
What is the frequency of the scanner?
In the manual position, can find the resonance point?
I will now repeat my tests, using instead of the cell, perhaps a 470K resistor and a 10nF capacitor as load VIC. Alternatively the cell without water.
Puharich, used low voltage. In his report appears high voltage, while the water does not complete the circuit.
On the other hand if we have an oxide of a tube as a dielectric, it makes perfect sense.

I don't exactly understand what you are asking...i do not started the vic yet because i dont know all the conections for sure and i don't get the gating working....is b***it... 12 hours work for nothing[/quote]of which circuit we are talking about.
We're not all doing the VIC with PLL system?
Show me the diagram and where this defect.[/quote]here are the skematics vic...dont know how to hook it up ,and the gate does not work,they are exact like stans,checked 1000times[/quote]horrible, this is not a schematic, with symbols. Is a diagram of the components in assembly with their caps. It is much easier and practical to use the schematic.
From what I could understand, You refer to Figure 6 (PCT/US90/06407) and 74122 is "A26" this is who shapes the pulses coming from "M1" or "B". The 7408 should not work alone, it processes that went by "K" along with the output of "A26".
You're very confused. This part of the device, has no relevance now. All this is to control the "gate". And it can be replaced by a simple 555, because what is important is the VIC and the PLL system.
Myself, I will only deal with the "control gate" after succeeding with the operation of the VIC (which I think is common sense).
Anyway, if the schematic is easier to perceive and understand the logic errors.[/quote]Those skematics,yes are not diagrams...is a strait built,and i started the circuit without 7432 and the two 7404 because they are not uset either by Stan,the 7408,works alone and yes is showing on a scope 50% duty cycles ,but when I connect pin 8 from 74122 to pin 5 and put the scope on pin8 of the 7408 it dies...so....any ideas what might by wrong,the schematic is identical like the one in the patent except the 3 cips that they are not used....about the vic schematic pins do you know how to conect pin 1,2 top 1bottom...waiting for reply

[/quote]horrible, this is not a schematic, with symbols. Is a diagram of the components in assembly with their caps. It is much easier and practical to use the schematic.
From what I could understand, You refer to Figure 6 (PCT/US90/06407) and 74122 is "A26" this is who shapes the pulses coming from "M1" or "B". The 7408 should not work alone, it processes that went by "K" along with the output of "A26".
You're very confused. This part of the device, has no relevance now. All this is to control the "gate". And it can be replaced by a simple 555, because what is important is the VIC and the PLL system.
Myself, I will only deal with the "control gate" after succeeding with the operation of the VIC (which I think is common sense).
Anyway, if the schematic is easier to perceive and understand the logic errors.[/quote]Those skematics,yes are not diagrams...is a strait built,and i started the circuit without 7432 and the two 7404 because they are not uset either by Stan,the 7408,works alone and yes is showing on a scope 50% duty cycles ,but when I connect pin 8 from 74122 to pin 5 and put the scope on pin8 of the 7408 it dies...so....any ideas what might by wrong,the schematic is identical like the one in the patent except the 3 cips that they are not used....about the vic schematic pins do you know how to conect pin 1,2 top 1bottom...waiting for reply[/quote]for me to help you, so quickly and without wasting much time, show me the schematic diagram of this part that you mounted.
Still, warning: this is not the main line in this topic.

Quote from Mechanic on June 7th, 2012, 12:31 PM

Quote from Mechanic on June 7th, 2012, 11:31 AM

Quote from Faisca on June 6th, 2012, 03:40 PM

with or without resonance, anyway speak of a capacitor cell with water.
I'm already on the bench with my prototype and I'm stopped just this detail: the concentric tubes (resonant cavity, I use only one), with any type of water represent a low resistance, far from a capacitor. So we need to create a dielectric, or perhaps as Ravi passivating conditioning tubes to achieve high voltage at the load.
Anyone know how to, get this passivation of stainless steel?

1/2 AMP NO MORE, what ever voltage, my tubes started passivization @ 12 volts DC, white film started to form, as soon as I raised the amps it started to flake off. The more the white filmed formed, I had an increase in HHO production. I think high voltage with the vic coil and the circuits we already have will work, once we have the water sparkplug to test with we will know for sure. So, we should continue the work the scientific way, prove or disprove a theory, this is the only way we will succeed, thanks, Jeff.:cool::D:P

I know at 500mA maximum. but with electrolyte, or plain water? 12V with continuous or pulsed, with inductors?
How long is on, and the resting time getting air?

Hi,

Just a thought, what will happen if the Cell is coted with something stopping it from shorting in the water and the voltage then rises until the coting can't contain the voltage anymore and then it arcs through to the water and then mabe splits the water....? a video from Stan that i've seen shows shiny pipes and no brow muck coted pipes....?[/quote]NB: Also looked at thewaterenergy1's video's on You Tube and the tube set too was shiny...[/quote]Mechanic is just that, but what's the secret? This guy seems to be well in advance.

Quote from Faisca on June 8th, 2012, 09:30 AM

horrible, this is not a schematic, with symbols. Is a diagram of the components in assembly with their caps. It is much easier and practical to use the schematic.
From what I could understand, You refer to Figure 6 (PCT/US90/06407) and 74122 is "A26" this is who shapes the pulses coming from "M1" or "B". The 7408 should not work alone, it processes that went by "K" along with the output of "A26".
You're very confused. This part of the device, has no relevance now. All this is to control the "gate". And it can be replaced by a simple 555, because what is important is the VIC and the PLL system.
Myself, I will only deal with the "control gate" after succeeding with the operation of the VIC (which I think is common sense).
Anyway, if the schematic is easier to perceive and understand the logic errors.[/quote]Well that's the million dollar question:D,  I think the water sparkplug will help answer:D.

Those skematics,yes are not diagrams...is a strait built,and i started the circuit without 7432 and the two 7404 because they are not uset either by Stan,the 7408,works alone and yes is showing on a scope 50% duty cycles ,but when I connect pin 8 from 74122 to pin 5 and put the scope on pin8 of the 7408 it dies...so....any ideas what might by wrong,the schematic is identical like the one in the patent except the 3 cips that they are not used....about the vic schematic pins do you know how to conect pin 1,2 top 1bottom...waiting for reply[/quote]for me to help you, so quickly and without wasting much time, show me the schematic diagram of this part that you mounted.
Still, warning: this is not the main line in this topic.

Quote from Mechanic on June 7th, 2012, 12:31 PM

Quote from Mechanic on June 7th, 2012, 11:31 AM

Quote from Faisca on June 6th, 2012, 03:40 PM

with or without resonance, anyway speak of a capacitor cell with water.
I'm already on the bench with my prototype and I'm stopped just this detail: the concentric tubes (resonant cavity, I use only one), with any type of water represent a low resistance, far from a capacitor. So we need to create a dielectric, or perhaps as Ravi passivating conditioning tubes to achieve high voltage at the load.
Anyone know how to, get this passivation of stainless steel?

1/2 AMP NO MORE, what ever voltage, my tubes started passivization @ 12 volts DC, white film started to form, as soon as I raised the amps it started to flake off. The more the white filmed formed, I had an increase in HHO production. I think high voltage with the vic coil and the circuits we already have will work, once we have the water sparkplug to test with we will know for sure. So, we should continue the work the scientific way, prove or disprove a theory, this is the only way we will succeed, thanks, Jeff.:cool::D:P

I know at 500mA maximum. but with electrolyte, or plain water? 12V with continuous or pulsed, with inductors?
How long is on, and the resting time getting air?

Hi,

Just a thought, what will happen if the Cell is coted with something stopping it from shorting in the water and the voltage then rises until the coting can't contain the voltage anymore and then it arcs through to the water and then mabe splits the water....? a video from Stan that i've seen shows shiny pipes and no brow muck coted pipes....?[/quote]NB: Also looked at thewaterenergy1's video's on You Tube and the tube set too was shiny...[/quote]Mechanic is just that, but what's the secret? This guy seems to be well in advance.[/quote]

Anyone know how to create a semiconductor film on stainless steel?
All that was missing to proceed.
Thank you.[/size]

Quote from Jeff Nading on June 8th, 2012, 10:41 AM

Quote from Faisca on June 8th, 2012, 09:30 AM

horrible, this is not a schematic, with symbols. Is a diagram of the components in assembly with their caps. It is much easier and practical to use the schematic.
From what I could understand, You refer to Figure 6 (PCT/US90/06407) and 74122 is "A26" this is who shapes the pulses coming from "M1" or "B". The 7408 should not work alone, it processes that went by "K" along with the output of "A26".
You're very confused. This part of the device, has no relevance now. All this is to control the "gate". And it can be replaced by a simple 555, because what is important is the VIC and the PLL system.
Myself, I will only deal with the "control gate" after succeeding with the operation of the VIC (which I think is common sense).
Anyway, if the schematic is easier to perceive and understand the logic errors.

Well that's the million dollar question:D,  I think the water sparkplug will help answer:D.

Those skematics,yes are not diagrams...is a strait built,and i started the circuit without 7432 and the two 7404 because they are not uset either by Stan,the 7408,works alone and yes is showing on a scope 50% duty cycles ,but when I connect pin 8 from 74122 to pin 5 and put the scope on pin8 of the 7408 it dies...so....any ideas what might by wrong,the schematic is identical like the one in the patent except the 3 cips that they are not used....about the vic schematic pins do you know how to conect pin 1,2 top 1bottom...waiting for reply[/quote]for me to help you, so quickly and without wasting much time, show me the schematic diagram of this part that you mounted.
Still, warning: this is not the main line in this topic.

Quote from Mechanic on June 7th, 2012, 12:31 PM

Quote from Mechanic on June 7th, 2012, 11:31 AM

Quote from Faisca on June 6th, 2012, 03:40 PM

with or without resonance, anyway speak of a capacitor cell with water.
I'm already on the bench with my prototype and I'm stopped just this detail: the concentric tubes (resonant cavity, I use only one), with any type of water represent a low resistance, far from a capacitor. So we need to create a dielectric, or perhaps as Ravi passivating conditioning tubes to achieve high voltage at the load.
Anyone know how to, get this passivation of stainless steel?

1/2 AMP NO MORE, what ever voltage, my tubes started passivization @ 12 volts DC, white film started to form, as soon as I raised the amps it started to flake off. The more the white filmed formed, I had an increase in HHO production. I think high voltage with the vic coil and the circuits we already have will work, once we have the water sparkplug to test with we will know for sure. So, we should continue the work the scientific way, prove or disprove a theory, this is the only way we will succeed, thanks, Jeff.:cool::D:P

I know at 500mA maximum. but with electrolyte, or plain water? 12V with continuous or pulsed, with inductors?
How long is on, and the resting time getting air?

Hi,

Just a thought, what will happen if the Cell is coted with something stopping it from shorting in the water and the voltage then rises until the coting can't contain the voltage anymore and then it arcs through to the water and then mabe splits the water....? a video from Stan that i've seen shows shiny pipes and no brow muck coted pipes....?[/quote]NB: Also looked at thewaterenergy1's video's on You Tube and the tube set too was shiny...[/quote]Mechanic is just that, but what's the secret? This guy seems to be well in advance.[/quote]Well the only thing i can see here that is not yet acheived by any of us is the high votage from the coil, this sure must be it... (secret). I'm at last a bit bussy working (income) and as soon as i get a chance will start the coil in all my power. First trying to succeed in getting high voltage and then the freaquancy will probably follow from the circuit if i understand correctly... also found a guy that seems to know transformers and electronics wich might be able to assist....[/quote]

Mechanic is just that, but what's the secret? This guy seems to be well in advance.[/quote]Well the only thing i can see here that is not yet acheived by any of us is the high votage from the coil, this sure must be it... (secret). I'm at last a bit bussy working (income) and as soon as i get a chance will start the coil in all my power. First trying to succeed in getting high voltage and then the freaquancy will probably follow from the circuit if i understand correctly... also found a guy that seems to know transformers and electronics wich might be able to assist....[/quote][/quote]hello Mechanic.
If so, then this transformer we re-produce (with 5 reels) is totally wrong, I tested it with the same cell without water and at various frequencies, without reaching the high voltage.
I keep on working on that line.
I no longer have enthusiasm in my normal work (for money), because this is more important to me and it makes more sense. For the first time I have in my hands, something that can change the world.
Success for us.

Quote from Faisca on June 9th, 2012, 01:51 PM

Mechanic is just that, but what's the secret? This guy seems to be well in advance.

Well the only thing i can see here that is not yet acheived by any of us is the high votage from the coil, this sure must be it... (secret). I'm at last a bit bussy working (income) and as soon as i get a chance will start the coil in all my power. First trying to succeed in getting high voltage and then the freaquancy will probably follow from the circuit if i understand correctly... also found a guy that seems to know transformers and electronics wich might be able to assist....[/quote][/quote]hello Mechanic.
If so, then this transformer we re-produce (with 5 reels) is totally wrong, I tested it with the same cell without water and at various frequencies, without reaching the high voltage.
I keep on working on that line.
I no longer have enthusiasm in my normal work (for money), because this is more important to me and it makes more sense. For the first time I have in my hands, something that can change the world.
Success for us.[/quote]I'm glad your'e so dedicated, but you need money to supply for living needs and i veel the same way but have to have income to keep building and test even if i dont have an idea of what i'm doing i try to follow and replicate the talks on the subjects...(learning as i go) i think the wire to the coil will be verry thin to reach the right freaquancy that's after speaking to a armiture winder....

Anybody has a working gated pulse circuit  based on Stan's patent?I compleated all the skematics and the gating is the only one that is missing,waiting for your help!!!

Quote from adys15 on June 10th, 2012, 04:13 AM

Anybody has a working gated pulse circuit  based on Stan's patent?I compleated all the skematics and the gating is the only one that is missing,waiting for your help!!!

adys15, did you build the 5 coil and what was the out put...?

Quote from Mechanic on June 10th, 2012, 10:30 AM

Quote from adys15 on June 10th, 2012, 04:13 AM

Anybody has a working gated pulse circuit  based on Stan's patent?I compleated all the skematics and the gating is the only one that is missing,waiting for your help!!!

adys15, did you build the 5 coil and what was the out put...?

No,till i am not finished with the electronics i am not buildind the vic transformers,besides that i am confused with the wire diameter(in mm) because 30awg is 0.2 mm and in the pics the wire looks(at the end where it has solder)like 0.35,and I done some measurements with irfanview measurement tool zoom and 0.35 shows...and the other thing the wire is verry hard to get in my country...and I have to built manualy the bobins from sheets of plastic cut them to size,stick them together,2 days work i think, and for the cores i will grind some flyback ferite cores 1mm thick and hope for the best....that is all  I have to work with..strugleing...but I have hope...and you guys help me verry much....thanks to you all!!!!

Quote from adys15 on June 10th, 2012, 11:42 AM

Quote from Mechanic on June 10th, 2012, 10:30 AM

Quote from adys15 on June 10th, 2012, 04:13 AM

Anybody has a working gated pulse circuit  based on Stan's patent?I compleated all the skematics and the gating is the only one that is missing,waiting for your help!!!

adys15, did you build the 5 coil and what was the out put...?

No,till i am not finished with the electronics i am not buildind the vic transformers,besides that i am confused with the wire diameter(in mm) because 30awg is 0.2 mm and in the pics the wire looks(at the end where it has solder)like 0.35,and I done some measurements with irfanview measurement tool zoom and 0.35 shows...and the other thing the wire is verry hard to get in my country...and I have to built manualy the bobins from sheets of plastic cut them to size,stick them together,2 days work i think, and for the cores i will grind some flyback ferite cores 1mm thick and hope for the best....that is all  I have to work with..strugleing...but I have hope...and you guys help me verry much....thanks to you all!!!!

Russ, can you mabe give the link to where that 5 coil specs is or anyone the can help... Thanx all

Quote from Mechanic on June 11th, 2012, 09:11 AM

Quote from adys15 on June 10th, 2012, 11:42 AM

Quote from Mechanic on June 10th, 2012, 10:30 AM

Quote from adys15 on June 10th, 2012, 04:13 AM

Anybody has a working gated pulse circuit  based on Stan's patent?I compleated all the skematics and the gating is the only one that is missing,waiting for your help!!!

adys15, did you build the 5 coil and what was the out put...?

No,till i am not finished with the electronics i am not buildind the vic transformers,besides that i am confused with the wire diameter(in mm) because 30awg is 0.2 mm and in the pics the wire looks(at the end where it has solder)like 0.35,and I done some measurements with irfanview measurement tool zoom and 0.35 shows...and the other thing the wire is verry hard to get in my country...and I have to built manualy the bobins from sheets of plastic cut them to size,stick them together,2 days work i think, and for the cores i will grind some flyback ferite cores 1mm thick and hope for the best....that is all  I have to work with..strugleing...but I have hope...and you guys help me verry much....thanks to you all!!!!

Russ, can you mabe give the link to where that 5 coil specs is or anyone the can help... Thanx all

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=170&pid=5507#pid5507

Br,
Webmug

Quote from Webmug on June 11th, 2012, 09:32 AM

Quote from Mechanic on June 11th, 2012, 09:11 AM

Quote from adys15 on June 10th, 2012, 11:42 AM

Quote from Mechanic on June 10th, 2012, 10:30 AM

Quote from adys15 on June 10th, 2012, 04:13 AM

Anybody has a working gated pulse circuit  based on Stan's patent?I compleated all the skematics and the gating is the only one that is missing,waiting for your help!!!

adys15, did you build the 5 coil and what was the out put...?

No,till i am not finished with the electronics i am not buildind the vic transformers,besides that i am confused with the wire diameter(in mm) because 30awg is 0.2 mm and in the pics the wire looks(at the end where it has solder)like 0.35,and I done some measurements with irfanview measurement tool zoom and 0.35 shows...and the other thing the wire is verry hard to get in my country...and I have to built manualy the bobins from sheets of plastic cut them to size,stick them together,2 days work i think, and for the cores i will grind some flyback ferite cores 1mm thick and hope for the best....that is all  I have to work with..strugleing...but I have hope...and you guys help me verry much....thanks to you all!!!!

Russ, can you mabe give the link to where that 5 coil specs is or anyone the can help... Thanx all

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=170&pid=5507#pid5507

Br,
Webmug

i seen that ,still think is larger diameter,0.2 is to thin from what i seen in pics

hey guys today i bouth another 74ls08 and test the gate circuit again,but no results,the square wave is without the pin 8 of 74122 conected to pin5 of 7408,and the messy wave is with the two conected...can anyone give a clue,i checed 1000 time ,same result,,,anyone has a working gate circuit???stans does not seems to work or the 74122 is broken!!

Quote from adys15 on June 14th, 2012, 02:18 PM

hey guys today i bouth another 74ls08 and test the gate circuit again,but no results,the square wave is without the pin 8 of 74122 conected to pin5 of 7408,and the messy wave is with the two conected...can anyone give a clue,i checed 1000 time ,same result,,,anyone has a working gate circuit???stans does not seems to work or the 74122 is broken!!

what is going on "74122"?
Pin "8" is high or low?
You have not sent the schematic.
Again, this part of the gate is not important, not now.
I'm sending the original of Meyer. Now identify your circuit in the figure. and show me where this square wave and seeing the other comments it deems relevant.

Quote from Faisca on June 14th, 2012, 04:23 PM

Quote from adys15 on June 14th, 2012, 02:18 PM

hey guys today i bouth another 74ls08 and test the gate circuit again,but no results,the square wave is without the pin 8 of 74122 conected to pin5 of 7408,and the messy wave is with the two conected...can anyone give a clue,i checed 1000 time ,same result,,,anyone has a working gate circuit???stans does not seems to work or the 74122 is broken!!

what is going on "74122"?
Pin "8" is high or low?
You have not sent the schematic.
Again, this part of the gate is not important, not now.
I'm sending the original of Meyer. Now identify your circuit in the figure. and show me where this square wave and seeing the other comments it deems relevant.

the circuit is just like Stans patentyou posted,the square wave is on pin 8 of the 7408,without pin 8 of 74122 conected,the ripples is with the pin 8 of 74122 con to pin 5 of 7408
the gating is important because I finished the vic and canot test it,what do i conect to scanner?? if i dont have all the circuits