Can you guys tell me if i done the corect conections on the VIC?
Complete VIC schematic and pcb
Another q:what is th''ANL/FREQ.'' swich on the vic card...see att and corect me if i mistake
Another q:what is th''ANL/FREQ.'' swich on the vic card...see att and corect me if i mistake
You will find them in the figures of the document "PCT/US90/06407."
"Gain": fig. 4
"Off / Set": fig. 4
"Osc / On": fig. 7
"Var / Off / 12": fig. 4
"Man / Auto": fig. 8
"Cell / On": fig. 6 (red?)
"Anl / Freq": fig. 2
"Man / Adjust": fig. 8
Success.
hi adys.Quote from adys15 on May 30th, 2012, 12:36 AM Another q:what is th''ANL/FREQ.'' swich on the vic card...see att and corect me if i mistake
You will find them in the figures of the document "PCT/US90/06407."
"Gain": fig. 4
"Off / Set": fig. 4
"Osc / On": fig. 7
"Var / Off / 12": fig. 4
"Man / Auto": fig. 8
"Cell / On": fig. 6 (red?)
"Anl / Freq": fig. 2
"Man / Adjust": fig. 8
Success.
pots do!
Oh man!thanks,but for 5 monts i look at this pics and patents,and know verry well where i find the pots,but I'm not american and I don't understand verry well this electronical comands...''offset'' ''anl.''etc so tell me what theQuote from Faisca on May 30th, 2012, 08:17 AM hi adys.Quote from adys15 on May 30th, 2012, 12:36 AM Another q:what is th''ANL/FREQ.'' swich on the vic card...see att and corect me if i mistake
You will find them in the figures of the document "PCT/US90/06407."
"Gain": fig. 4
"Off / Set": fig. 4
"Osc / On": fig. 7
"Var / Off / 12": fig. 4
"Man / Auto": fig. 8
"Cell / On": fig. 6 (red?)
"Anl / Freq": fig. 2
"Man / Adjust": fig. 8
Success.
pots do!
These potentiometers are pre-fixed settings. "Off-Set" = initial value. "Gain" = amount of amplification input / output
I hope this helps. But if your knowledge is poor, will be an adventure, for it comes from "reverse engineering". On the other hand, if everything is correct in the diagrams, anyone can do the job.
Success and good learning.
Pd.: Where are you from?
adys15
RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #330, on May 30th, 2012, 10:34 AM »Last edited on May 30th, 2012, 10:36 AM by adys15
But this is in basic electronics, anywhere in the world. I'm not American either. What is your education in electronics? (without harm).Quote from adys15 on May 30th, 2012, 08:43 AM Oh man!thanks,but for 5 monts i look at this pics and patents,and know verry well where i find the pots,but I'm not american and I don't understand verry well this electronical comands...''offset'' ''anl.''etc so tell me what theQuote from Faisca on May 30th, 2012, 08:17 AM hi adys.Quote from adys15 on May 30th, 2012, 12:36 AM Another q:what is th''ANL/FREQ.'' swich on the vic card...see att and corect me if i mistake
You will find them in the figures of the document "PCT/US90/06407."
"Gain": fig. 4
"Off / Set": fig. 4
"Osc / On": fig. 7
"Var / Off / 12": fig. 4
"Man / Auto": fig. 8
"Cell / On": fig. 6 (red?)
"Anl / Freq": fig. 2
"Man / Adjust": fig. 8
Success.
pots do!
These potentiometers are pre-fixed settings. "Off-Set" = initial value. "Gain" = amount of amplification input / output
I hope this helps. But if your knowledge is poor, will be an adventure, for it comes from "reverse engineering". On the other hand, if everything is correct in the diagrams, anyone can do the job.
Success and good learning.
Pd.: Where are you from?
I am from East Europe...(Romania) so escuse my bad english and poor electronics but i came long way from ''0'' to Dave Lawton to learning the basics and then to Stan's VIC ..still strugleing to understand the sistems.Thanks for response!!
No harm done I do not have any degree in electronics,I im still learning,I know what and how the internal components works,but those pots give me a headeach I have almost completed the vic card,untill then i want to know his complete workings,I hate to built something and dont know how it works,I know they are pre-fixed setings but wanted to know,so:when you turn the ''gain '' you adjust the voltage amplitude going to the cell,and when tou turn the offset''you reset it?and for the ''ANL/FREQ''swich what do you think?look at Don's skematic it conects the cell driver and then pin 3 at 4046..so...Quote from Faisca on May 30th, 2012, 10:09 AM But this is in basic electronics, anywhere in the world. I'm not American either. What is your education in electronics? (without harm).Quote from adys15 on May 30th, 2012, 08:43 AM Oh man!thanks,but for 5 monts i look at this pics and patents,and know verry well where i find the pots,but I'm not american and I don't understand verry well this electronical comands...''offset'' ''anl.''etc so tell me what theQuote from Faisca on May 30th, 2012, 08:17 AM hi adys.Quote from adys15 on May 30th, 2012, 12:36 AM Another q:what is th''ANL/FREQ.'' swich on the vic card...see att and corect me if i mistake
You will find them in the figures of the document "PCT/US90/06407."
"Gain": fig. 4
"Off / Set": fig. 4
"Osc / On": fig. 7
"Var / Off / 12": fig. 4
"Man / Auto": fig. 8
"Cell / On": fig. 6 (red?)
"Anl / Freq": fig. 2
"Man / Adjust": fig. 8
Success.
pots do!
These potentiometers are pre-fixed settings. "Off-Set" = initial value. "Gain" = amount of amplification input / output
I hope this helps. But if your knowledge is poor, will be an adventure, for it comes from "reverse engineering". On the other hand, if everything is correct in the diagrams, anyone can do the job.
Success and good learning.
Pd.: Where are you from?
I am from East Europe...(Romania) so escuse my bad english and poor electronics but i came long way from ''0'' to Dave Lawton to learning the basics and then to Stan's VIC ..still strugleing to understand the sistems.Thanks for response!!
"Off Set": is set to determine the beginning of the process of "gain".
'' ANL / FREQ'': only for testing purpose during the setup.
Digital: processed in "DIGITAL CONTROL MEANS" (fig. 2).
Analog: processed in the "ANALOG VOLTAGE GENERATOR" (Fig. 3).
As the pin 3 ... 4046 this link has been modified to Minimise propagation delays.
Gain is adjusted so that when the input signal range from minimum to maximum, the output will have a value of minimum and maximum desired.Quote from adys15 on May 30th, 2012, 10:34 AM No harm done I do not have any degree in electronics,I im still learning,I know what and how the internal components works,but those pots give me a headeach I have almost completed the vic card,untill then i want to know his complete workings,I hate to built something and dont know how it works,I know they are pre-fixed setings but wanted to know,so:when you turn the ''gain '' you adjust the voltage amplitude going to the cell,and when tou turn the offset''you reset it?and for the ''ANL/FREQ''swich what do you think?look at Don's skematic it conects the cell driver and then pin 3 at 4046..so...Quote from Faisca on May 30th, 2012, 10:09 AM But this is in basic electronics, anywhere in the world. I'm not American either. What is your education in electronics? (without harm).Quote from adys15 on May 30th, 2012, 08:43 AM Oh man!thanks,but for 5 monts i look at this pics and patents,and know verry well where i find the pots,but I'm not american and I don't understand verry well this electronical comands...''offset'' ''anl.''etc so tell me what theQuote from Faisca on May 30th, 2012, 08:17 AM hi adys.
You will find them in the figures of the document "PCT/US90/06407."
"Gain": fig. 4
"Off / Set": fig. 4
"Osc / On": fig. 7
"Var / Off / 12": fig. 4
"Man / Auto": fig. 8
"Cell / On": fig. 6 (red?)
"Anl / Freq": fig. 2
"Man / Adjust": fig. 8
Success.
pots do!
These potentiometers are pre-fixed settings. "Off-Set" = initial value. "Gain" = amount of amplification input / output
I hope this helps. But if your knowledge is poor, will be an adventure, for it comes from "reverse engineering". On the other hand, if everything is correct in the diagrams, anyone can do the job.
Success and good learning.
Pd.: Where are you from?
I am from East Europe...(Romania) so escuse my bad english and poor electronics but i came long way from ''0'' to Dave Lawton to learning the basics and then to Stan's VIC ..still strugleing to understand the sistems.Thanks for response!!
"Off Set": is set to determine the beginning of the process of "gain".
'' ANL / FREQ'': only for testing purpose during the setup.
Digital: processed in "DIGITAL CONTROL MEANS" (fig. 2).
Analog: processed in the "ANALOG VOLTAGE GENERATOR" (Fig. 3).
As the pin 3 ... 4046 this link has been modified to Minimise propagation delays.
Thank verry much I understand now,my question was dum ...but anyway thanks for explaining in such much detail,Br.AdyQuote from Faisca on May 30th, 2012, 12:55 PM Gain is adjusted so that when the input signal range from minimum to maximum, the output will have a value of minimum and maximum desired.Quote from adys15 on May 30th, 2012, 10:34 AM No harm done I do not have any degree in electronics,I im still learning,I know what and how the internal components works,but those pots give me a headeach I have almost completed the vic card,untill then i want to know his complete workings,I hate to built something and dont know how it works,I know they are pre-fixed setings but wanted to know,so:when you turn the ''gain '' you adjust the voltage amplitude going to the cell,and when tou turn the offset''you reset it?and for the ''ANL/FREQ''swich what do you think?look at Don's skematic it conects the cell driver and then pin 3 at 4046..so...Quote from Faisca on May 30th, 2012, 10:09 AM But this is in basic electronics, anywhere in the world. I'm not American either. What is your education in electronics? (without harm).Quote from adys15 on May 30th, 2012, 08:43 AM Oh man!thanks,but for 5 monts i look at this pics and patents,and know verry well where i find the pots,but I'm not american and I don't understand verry well this electronical comands...''offset'' ''anl.''etc so tell me what the
pots do!
These potentiometers are pre-fixed settings. "Off-Set" = initial value. "Gain" = amount of amplification input / output
I hope this helps. But if your knowledge is poor, will be an adventure, for it comes from "reverse engineering". On the other hand, if everything is correct in the diagrams, anyone can do the job.
Success and good learning.
Pd.: Where are you from?
I am from East Europe...(Romania) so escuse my bad english and poor electronics but i came long way from ''0'' to Dave Lawton to learning the basics and then to Stan's VIC ..still strugleing to understand the sistems.Thanks for response!!
"Off Set": is set to determine the beginning of the process of "gain".
'' ANL / FREQ'': only for testing purpose during the setup.
Digital: processed in "DIGITAL CONTROL MEANS" (fig. 2).
Analog: processed in the "ANALOG VOLTAGE GENERATOR" (Fig. 3).
As the pin 3 ... 4046 this link has been modified to Minimise propagation delays.
Hy guys take a look at the cell driver drawing and answer if you want/can
Hy guys take a look at the cell driver drawing and answer if you want/can
I did not catch your question well, but the two diodes are correct: the "4005" is a short-circuit the surge absorbing positive about the transistor, and the "5A1KU" blocks the negative pulse. With this the primary only receives the square wave pulse, the transistor protects and guarantees the primary unipolar pulse.Quote from adys15 on June 3rd, 2012, 12:08 AM Hy guys take a look at the cell driver drawing and answer if you want/can
Thanks for reply!I mean when a square wave(lets say 2 volts) is present at tip120 base,the tip 120 is using those 12v aplied at the pin6(finish of the primary coil).Let's say the pulse is 50% duty cycle 3secounds and 3 secounds MARK,whel pulse is on the base receives 5volts square wave and the tip 120 trigers the C,Emiter,and closes the circuit with the GND.After 3 secounds the pulses stops ,the tip 120 closes the circuit and the back EMF is traveling backwards(see green arrow)when this happens the 4005 blocks the EMF.My question was why the 1kv5a is not uset instead of 4005and is used to drive 12v to Colector/Em. of tip120Quote from Faisca on June 4th, 2012, 07:50 AM I did not catch your question well, but the two diodes are correct: the "4005" is a short-circuit the surge absorbing positive about the transistor, and the "5A1KU" blocks the negative pulse. With this the primary only receives the square wave pulse, the transistor protects and guarantees the primary unipolar pulse.Quote from adys15 on June 3rd, 2012, 12:08 AM Hy guys take a look at the cell driver drawing and answer if you want/can
At the same time (in reality series) with primary, only this diode (4004) addresses, and to protect the transistor that has to be increased tension and speed.
would be of great value in a simulator to test you, to your learning.
3 ..., seconds on? but during that time is being switched to a maybe frequency = 5kHz.(you get this part right?)
adys15
RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #338, on June 4th, 2012, 02:41 PM »Last edited on June 4th, 2012, 02:43 PM by adys15
Because it is precisely this point that needs to be watched.Quote from adys15 on June 4th, 2012, 01:26 PM Thanks for reply!I mean when a square wave(lets say 2 volts) is present at tip120 base,the tip 120 is using those 12v aplied at the pin6(finish of the primary coil).Let's say the pulse is 50% duty cycle 3secounds and 3 secounds MARK,whel pulse is on the base receives 5volts square wave and the tip 120 trigers the C,Emiter,and closes the circuit with the GND.After 3 secounds the pulses stops ,the tip 120 closes the circuit and the back EMF is traveling backwards(see green arrow)when this happens the 4005 blocks the EMF.My question was why the 1kv5a is not uset instead of 4005and is used to drive 12v to Colector/Em. of tip120Quote from Faisca on June 4th, 2012, 07:50 AM I did not catch your question well, but the two diodes are correct: the "4005" is a short-circuit the surge absorbing positive about the transistor, and the "5A1KU" blocks the negative pulse. With this the primary only receives the square wave pulse, the transistor protects and guarantees the primary unipolar pulse.Quote from adys15 on June 3rd, 2012, 12:08 AM Hy guys take a look at the cell driver drawing and answer if you want/can
At the same time (in reality series) with primary, only this diode (4004) addresses, and to protect the transistor that has to be increased tension and speed.
would be of great value in a simulator to test you, to your learning.
3 ..., seconds on? but during that time is being switched to a maybe frequency = 5kHz.(you get this part right?)
And another Q:I bouth today the rest of the caps for the VIC card ,i see that there are a few tantalum(the yelow alongated shape)those are polarised or not?and the redish ones are polyester?the rest are ceramic....
Please take a look at this comment derived from Peter Linderman's analysis:
Transcription from MDG, for nov07 update:
Here a lotof people have not understood really what stan was doing. So it's a method for
obtaining the release of a fuel gas including hydrogen and oxygen from water, during
which the water is processed as a dielectric media in an electrical resonant circuit
Then he shows the cell, here, which basically consits of concentric cylinders and this
... ; but here is the circuit, and basically there is not much to at what he is saying he is
putting 50% duty cycles pulses into this transformer and creating pulses that are going
to the fuel cell wich is designed to be a capacitor.
Now, the obvious problem with this situation is this, he is using the word resonant
here, like salt and pepper all the way through.
This is not a resonant circuit, this was part of the diversion about how to keep
people, how he protected the idea without actually leading people to understand what was going on, and the proof that this is not a resonant circuit lyes in the bloking diode ! huuuuuuu gushh
so what you can see here is what he is really doing is this, this system works without electrolyte (MDG: Air being the dielectric layer to breakdown) ; so the purpose of it is, he wants his water to have a fearly high resistance in it, and so, here is what he is gona do, he got this chokes, this chokes are very important because when he puts this inductive spikes on, here, ... with the diode, what he is doing is, he is charging this capacitor, and the resonant chokes are specifically to damp the voltage spikes that could prematurally set this thing off.
So what he is doing, he is making sure that he can charge this capacitor with kind
of soft pulses and pulse the thing up, so he can get this capacitor to charge to the
maximum degree before the dielectric material, in this case water, creates a
catastrophic dielectric failure in the capacitor
At which point, all the charge in the capacitor, all the voltage in the capacitor is
converted to amps as a shorts out internally, and orderly destroys the water it
moves through and creates massive quantities of hydrogen and oxygen.
(minute 3.00 of this video)
and as soon as it's out of the way, water rushes its back in, the dielectric constant is
again re-established, and this is what's happening, while this is happening, he waits,
and starts charging again.
(showing of patent page drawing progressive water molecule stretching under pulses
train)
again this types of drawing were made to confuse people, you know the idea of
drawing this things are that these were increasingly large resonant pulses and
everything, this is all a bunch of ... , all he is doing is just like any other voltage
multiplier that's used in pulsing, all you are looking up is a step ramp charger on a
capacitor until it reaches it's catastrophic failure, that is the method of the Stan
Meyer's system, and it does produce massive amounts of gas for a very small amount
of electricity.
Transcription from MDG, for nov07 update:
Here a lotof people have not understood really what stan was doing. So it's a method for
obtaining the release of a fuel gas including hydrogen and oxygen from water, during
which the water is processed as a dielectric media in an electrical resonant circuit
Then he shows the cell, here, which basically consits of concentric cylinders and this
... ; but here is the circuit, and basically there is not much to at what he is saying he is
putting 50% duty cycles pulses into this transformer and creating pulses that are going
to the fuel cell wich is designed to be a capacitor.
Now, the obvious problem with this situation is this, he is using the word resonant
here, like salt and pepper all the way through.
This is not a resonant circuit, this was part of the diversion about how to keep
people, how he protected the idea without actually leading people to understand what was going on, and the proof that this is not a resonant circuit lyes in the bloking diode ! huuuuuuu gushh
so what you can see here is what he is really doing is this, this system works without electrolyte (MDG: Air being the dielectric layer to breakdown) ; so the purpose of it is, he wants his water to have a fearly high resistance in it, and so, here is what he is gona do, he got this chokes, this chokes are very important because when he puts this inductive spikes on, here, ... with the diode, what he is doing is, he is charging this capacitor, and the resonant chokes are specifically to damp the voltage spikes that could prematurally set this thing off.
So what he is doing, he is making sure that he can charge this capacitor with kind
of soft pulses and pulse the thing up, so he can get this capacitor to charge to the
maximum degree before the dielectric material, in this case water, creates a
catastrophic dielectric failure in the capacitor
At which point, all the charge in the capacitor, all the voltage in the capacitor is
converted to amps as a shorts out internally, and orderly destroys the water it
moves through and creates massive quantities of hydrogen and oxygen.
(minute 3.00 of this video)
and as soon as it's out of the way, water rushes its back in, the dielectric constant is
again re-established, and this is what's happening, while this is happening, he waits,
and starts charging again.
(showing of patent page drawing progressive water molecule stretching under pulses
train)
again this types of drawing were made to confuse people, you know the idea of
drawing this things are that these were increasingly large resonant pulses and
everything, this is all a bunch of ... , all he is doing is just like any other voltage
multiplier that's used in pulsing, all you are looking up is a step ramp charger on a
capacitor until it reaches it's catastrophic failure, that is the method of the Stan
Meyer's system, and it does produce massive amounts of gas for a very small amount
of electricity.
Please take a look at this comment derived from Peter Linderman's analysis:
Transcription from MDG, for nov07 update:
Here a lotof people have not understood really what stan was doing. So it's a method for
obtaining the release of a fuel gas including hydrogen and oxygen from water, during
which the water is processed as a dielectric media in an electrical resonant circuit
Then he shows the cell, here, which basically consits of concentric cylinders and this
... ; but here is the circuit, and basically there is not much to at what he is saying he is
putting 50% duty cycles pulses into this transformer and creating pulses that are going
to the fuel cell wich is designed to be a capacitor.
Now, the obvious problem with this situation is this, he is using the word resonant
here, like salt and pepper all the way through.
This is not a resonant circuit, this was part of the diversion about how to keep
people, how he protected the idea without actually leading people to understand what was going on, and the proof that this is not a resonant circuit lyes in the bloking diode ! huuuuuuu gushh
so what you can see here is what he is really doing is this, this system works without electrolyte (MDG: Air being the dielectric layer to breakdown) ; so the purpose of it is, he wants his water to have a fearly high resistance in it, and so, here is what he is gona do, he got this chokes, this chokes are very important because when he puts this inductive spikes on, here, ... with the diode, what he is doing is, he is charging this capacitor, and the resonant chokes are specifically to damp the voltage spikes that could prematurally set this thing off.
So what he is doing, he is making sure that he can charge this capacitor with kind
of soft pulses and pulse the thing up, so he can get this capacitor to charge to the
maximum degree before the dielectric material, in this case water, creates a
catastrophic dielectric failure in the capacitor
At which point, all the charge in the capacitor, all the voltage in the capacitor is
converted to amps as a shorts out internally, and orderly destroys the water it
moves through and creates massive quantities of hydrogen and oxygen.
(minute 3.00 of this video)
and as soon as it's out of the way, water rushes its back in, the dielectric constant is
again re-established, and this is what's happening, while this is happening, he waits,
and starts charging again.
(showing of patent page drawing progressive water molecule stretching under pulses
train)
again this types of drawing were made to confuse people, you know the idea of
drawing this things are that these were increasingly large resonant pulses and
everything, this is all a bunch of ... , all he is doing is just like any other voltage
multiplier that's used in pulsing, all you are looking up is a step ramp charger on a
capacitor until it reaches it's catastrophic failure, that is the method of the Stan
Meyer's system, and it does produce massive amounts of gas for a very small amount
of electricity.
mashficool
RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #341, on June 6th, 2012, 01:00 PM »Last edited on June 6th, 2012, 01:02 PM by mashficool
Yes I have a link:
http://hodinfo.com/forum/topics/stanley-meyer-resonant#axzz1wxqbp3Rz
go to the above link and download the pdf attachment named "stan meyers.pdf"
in that pdf document click on the peter linderman link. type 21 in the adobe page number and it should take you there.
Quote from mashficool on June 6th, 2012, 01:00 PM in case if you dont find the pdf in that forum i have attached it here:
http://hodinfo.com/forum/topics/stanley-meyer-resonant#axzz1wxqbp3Rz
go to the above link and download the pdf attachment named "stan meyers.pdf"
in that pdf document click on the peter linderman link. type 21 in the adobe page number and it should take you there.
Yes I have a link:
http://hodinfo.com/forum/topics/stanley-meyer-resonant#axzz1wxqbp3Rz
go to the above link and download the pdf attachment named "stan meyers.pdf"
in that pdf document click on the peter linderman link. type 21 in the adobe page number and it should take you there.
Yes I have a link:
http://hodinfo.com/forum/topics/stanley-meyer-resonant#axzz1wxqbp3Rz
go to the above link and download the pdf attachment named "stan meyers.pdf"
in that pdf document click on the peter linderman link. type 21 in the adobe page number and it should take you there.in case if you dont find the pdf in that forum i have attached it here:Quote from mashficool on June 6th, 2012, 01:00 PM Yes I have a link:
http://hodinfo.com/forum/topics/stanley-meyer-resonant#axzz1wxqbp3Rz
go to the above link and download the pdf attachment named "stan meyers.pdf"
in that pdf document click on the peter linderman link. type 21 in the adobe page number and it should take you there.
Never seen this before, very interesting, do you have the link to where you got this from?:DQuote from mashficool on June 6th, 2012, 11:57 AM Please take a look at this comment derived from Peter Linderman's analysis:
Transcription from MDG, for nov07 update:
Here a lotof people have not understood really what stan was doing. So it's a method for
obtaining the release of a fuel gas including hydrogen and oxygen from water, during
which the water is processed as a dielectric media in an electrical resonant circuit
Then he shows the cell, here, which basically consits of concentric cylinders and this
... ; but here is the circuit, and basically there is not much to at what he is saying he is
putting 50% duty cycles pulses into this transformer and creating pulses that are going
to the fuel cell wich is designed to be a capacitor.
Now, the obvious problem with this situation is this, he is using the word resonant
here, like salt and pepper all the way through.
This is not a resonant circuit, this was part of the diversion about how to keep
people, how he protected the idea without actually leading people to understand what was going on, and the proof that this is not a resonant circuit lyes in the bloking diode ! huuuuuuu gushh
so what you can see here is what he is really doing is this, this system works without electrolyte (MDG: Air being the dielectric layer to breakdown) ; so the purpose of it is, he wants his water to have a fearly high resistance in it, and so, here is what he is gona do, he got this chokes, this chokes are very important because when he puts this inductive spikes on, here, ... with the diode, what he is doing is, he is charging this capacitor, and the resonant chokes are specifically to damp the voltage spikes that could prematurally set this thing off.
So what he is doing, he is making sure that he can charge this capacitor with kind
of soft pulses and pulse the thing up, so he can get this capacitor to charge to the
maximum degree before the dielectric material, in this case water, creates a
catastrophic dielectric failure in the capacitor
At which point, all the charge in the capacitor, all the voltage in the capacitor is
converted to amps as a shorts out internally, and orderly destroys the water it
moves through and creates massive quantities of hydrogen and oxygen.
(minute 3.00 of this video)
and as soon as it's out of the way, water rushes its back in, the dielectric constant is
again re-established, and this is what's happening, while this is happening, he waits,
and starts charging again.
(showing of patent page drawing progressive water molecule stretching under pulses
train)
again this types of drawing were made to confuse people, you know the idea of
drawing this things are that these were increasingly large resonant pulses and
everything, this is all a bunch of ... , all he is doing is just like any other voltage
multiplier that's used in pulsing, all you are looking up is a step ramp charger on a
capacitor until it reaches it's catastrophic failure, that is the method of the Stan
Meyer's system, and it does produce massive amounts of gas for a very small amount
of electricity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjIyxEvAYM
Br,
Webmug
Yes I have a link:
http://hodinfo.com/forum/topics/stanley-meyer-resonant#axzz1wxqbp3Rz
go to the above link and download the pdf attachment named "stan meyers.pdf"
in that pdf document click on the peter linderman link. type 21 in the adobe page number and it should take you there.in case if you dont find the pdf in that forum i have attached it here:Quote from mashficool on June 6th, 2012, 01:00 PM Yes I have a link:
http://hodinfo.com/forum/topics/stanley-meyer-resonant#axzz1wxqbp3Rz
go to the above link and download the pdf attachment named "stan meyers.pdf"
in that pdf document click on the peter linderman link. type 21 in the adobe page number and it should take you there.
I'm already on the bench with my prototype and I'm stopped just this detail: the concentric tubes (resonant cavity, I use only one), with any type of water represent a low resistance, far from a capacitor. So we need to create a dielectric, or perhaps as Ravi passivating conditioning tubes to achieve high voltage at the load.
Anyone know how to, get this passivation of stainless steel?
with or without resonance, anyway speak of a capacitor cell with water.Quote from mashficool on June 6th, 2012, 01:00 PM Yes I have a link:
http://hodinfo.com/forum/topics/stanley-meyer-resonant#axzz1wxqbp3Rz
go to the above link and download the pdf attachment named "stan meyers.pdf"
in that pdf document click on the peter linderman link. type 21 in the adobe page number and it should take you there.in case if you dont find the pdf in that forum i have attached it here:Quote from mashficool on June 6th, 2012, 01:00 PM Yes I have a link:
http://hodinfo.com/forum/topics/stanley-meyer-resonant#axzz1wxqbp3Rz
go to the above link and download the pdf attachment named "stan meyers.pdf"
in that pdf document click on the peter linderman link. type 21 in the adobe page number and it should take you there.
I'm already on the bench with my prototype and I'm stopped just this detail: the concentric tubes (resonant cavity, I use only one), with any type of water represent a low resistance, far from a capacitor. So we need to create a dielectric, or perhaps as Ravi passivating conditioning tubes to achieve high voltage at the load.
Anyone know how to, get this passivation of stainless steel?
an excerpt from ravi's replication document. page 14
If you order large pipes and cut them, you need to get the tubes annealed once they
are cut and finished to lengths before being assembled. It’s done in a separate inert
atmosphere furnace of Nitrogen or Argon. You have people who do heat treatment for
metals they'll give you the procedure if you tell them the grade you are using.
Tell them that you need a bright anneal in nitrogen or argon atmosphere. Annealing is
done after every cold work operation and at the finishing stage to reset the lattice
structure. As we are cutting the pipes and slightly finishing the surfaces with sand paper
to remove any imbedded impurities during tube drawing, it’s all cold working. So you
need to relieve these induces stresses in the lattice through annealing.
Ravi advises - Use an abrasive cutter or a saw and then anneal them as you induce a
lot of stresses in the lattice during cutting due to the hot and cold areas. If you use laser
then you could cut the annealed tubes as you are not inducing any mechanical
stresses during the cutting but you could check along the length with a compass and
see if there’s any difference. Take a compass close to the tubes and you can usually
see it deflecting before annealing but once the annealing is done the deflection is a
fraction of what you have seen before on the same tubes or none at all, this is what you
want.
Assembly options- It appears that Dave Lawton used insulated copper wire to connect
to his tubes. Ravi used spot wielded stainless steal wire on his tubes. Originally Ravi had
his wires too long which had a negative impact on his efficiency. He then had to
shorten them.
If you order large pipes and cut them, you need to get the tubes annealed once they
are cut and finished to lengths before being assembled. It’s done in a separate inert
atmosphere furnace of Nitrogen or Argon. You have people who do heat treatment for
metals they'll give you the procedure if you tell them the grade you are using.
Tell them that you need a bright anneal in nitrogen or argon atmosphere. Annealing is
done after every cold work operation and at the finishing stage to reset the lattice
structure. As we are cutting the pipes and slightly finishing the surfaces with sand paper
to remove any imbedded impurities during tube drawing, it’s all cold working. So you
need to relieve these induces stresses in the lattice through annealing.
Ravi advises - Use an abrasive cutter or a saw and then anneal them as you induce a
lot of stresses in the lattice during cutting due to the hot and cold areas. If you use laser
then you could cut the annealed tubes as you are not inducing any mechanical
stresses during the cutting but you could check along the length with a compass and
see if there’s any difference. Take a compass close to the tubes and you can usually
see it deflecting before annealing but once the annealing is done the deflection is a
fraction of what you have seen before on the same tubes or none at all, this is what you
want.
Assembly options- It appears that Dave Lawton used insulated copper wire to connect
to his tubes. Ravi used spot wielded stainless steal wire on his tubes. Originally Ravi had
his wires too long which had a negative impact on his efficiency. He then had to
shorten them.
an excerpt from ravi's replication document. page 14
If you order large pipes and cut them, you need to get the tubes annealed once they
are cut and finished to lengths before being assembled. It’s done in a separate inert
atmosphere furnace of Nitrogen or Argon. You have people who do heat treatment for
metals they'll give you the procedure if you tell them the grade you are using.
Tell them that you need a bright anneal in nitrogen or argon atmosphere. Annealing is
done after every cold work operation and at the finishing stage to reset the lattice
structure. As we are cutting the pipes and slightly finishing the surfaces with sand paper
to remove any imbedded impurities during tube drawing, it’s all cold working. So you
need to relieve these induces stresses in the lattice through annealing.
Ravi advises - Use an abrasive cutter or a saw and then anneal them as you induce a
lot of stresses in the lattice during cutting due to the hot and cold areas. If you use laser
then you could cut the annealed tubes as you are not inducing any mechanical
stresses during the cutting but you could check along the length with a compass and
see if there’s any difference. Take a compass close to the tubes and you can usually
see it deflecting before annealing but once the annealing is done the deflection is a
fraction of what you have seen before on the same tubes or none at all, this is what you
want.
Assembly options- It appears that Dave Lawton used insulated copper wire to connect
to his tubes. Ravi used spot wielded stainless steal wire on his tubes. Originally Ravi had
his wires too long which had a negative impact on his efficiency. He then had to
shorten them.
If you order large pipes and cut them, you need to get the tubes annealed once they
are cut and finished to lengths before being assembled. It’s done in a separate inert
atmosphere furnace of Nitrogen or Argon. You have people who do heat treatment for
metals they'll give you the procedure if you tell them the grade you are using.
Tell them that you need a bright anneal in nitrogen or argon atmosphere. Annealing is
done after every cold work operation and at the finishing stage to reset the lattice
structure. As we are cutting the pipes and slightly finishing the surfaces with sand paper
to remove any imbedded impurities during tube drawing, it’s all cold working. So you
need to relieve these induces stresses in the lattice through annealing.
Ravi advises - Use an abrasive cutter or a saw and then anneal them as you induce a
lot of stresses in the lattice during cutting due to the hot and cold areas. If you use laser
then you could cut the annealed tubes as you are not inducing any mechanical
stresses during the cutting but you could check along the length with a compass and
see if there’s any difference. Take a compass close to the tubes and you can usually
see it deflecting before annealing but once the annealing is done the deflection is a
fraction of what you have seen before on the same tubes or none at all, this is what you
want.
Assembly options- It appears that Dave Lawton used insulated copper wire to connect
to his tubes. Ravi used spot wielded stainless steal wire on his tubes. Originally Ravi had
his wires too long which had a negative impact on his efficiency. He then had to
shorten them.
forget the darn pipes...they are not important,Pulharich even used steal coated with nichel...soo....whatever....which of you built the gated pulse circuit and works?I finished it today,is just like stans,bit by bit,checked 1000 times the conections with multimeter and does not work....if I disconect pin8 of 74122 from pin5 of 7408 the 7408 works alone....50% pulses...and canot adjust,if i conect pin 8 to 5 it kills it///waiting for your trobleshooter:))
with or without resonance, anyway speak of a capacitor cell with water.
I'm already on the bench with my prototype and I'm stopped just this detail: the concentric tubes (resonant cavity, I use only one), with any type of water represent a low resistance, far from a capacitor. So we need to create a dielectric, or perhaps as Ravi passivating conditioning tubes to achieve high voltage at the load.
Anyone know how to, get this passivation of stainless steel?[/quote]1/2 AMP NO MORE, what ever voltage, my tubes started passivization @ 12 volts DC, white film started to form, as soon as I raised the amps it started to flake off. The more the white filmed formed, I had an increase in HHO production. I think high voltage with the vic coil and the circuits we already have will work, once we have the water sparkplug to test with we will know for sure. So, we should continue the work the scientific way, prove or disprove a theory, this is the only way we will succeed, thanks, Jeff.:cool::D:P[/quote]I know at 500mA maximum. but with electrolyte, or plain water? 12V with continuous or pulsed, with inductors?
How long is on, and the resting time getting air?