Hello all!me again with the gated freq gen.i manage to solve the tiny problems on Stans skematic all working good i get a controlable square wave coming out of the 9xa at 1,2,3,freq ranges and outputing the 74ls122 on pin8.BUT the problem is at 4th frq range(the one coming out directly of the 555 cip),i get a week distorted signal and is not controlable by the 74122.My thoughts are:

1.the 74122 cannot handle other waves than the square ones ,and pin3 of the555 does not output a  perfect square wave.

2.I tried hooking up 2 more pots for freq adj. and when i let all 3 of  them at minimum i can see and control the wave with the 74122,when i raise the freq the signal gets distorted again.

So what can i do?Is there any electronics GURU on this forum that can help me?i strugle with this circuit for over 5 monts,i cannot start any experiments with the coils because of this... i am going CRAZYYYYYY.....Thanks in advance!

Quote from adys15 on October 16th, 2012, 01:07 PM

Hello all!me again with the gated freq gen.i manage to solve the tiny problems on Stans skematic all working good i get a controlable square wave coming out of the 9xa at 1,2,3,freq ranges and outputing the 74ls122 on pin8.BUT the problem is at 4th frq range(the one coming out directly of the 555 cip),i get a week distorted signal and is not controlable by the 74122.My thoughts are:

1.the 74122 cannot handle other waves than the square ones ,and pin3 of the555 does not output a  perfect square wave.

2.I tried hooking up 2 more pots for freq adj. and when i let all 3 of  them at minimum i can see and control the wave with the 74122,when i raise the freq the signal gets distorted again.

So what can i do?Is there any electronics GURU on this forum that can help me?i strugle with this circuit for over 5 monts,i cannot start any experiments with the coils because of this... i am going CRAZYYYYYY.....Thanks in advance!

Hi adys15, there is a new member who might be able to help you here:
http://open-source-energy.org/?action=profile;u=10019
You might ask him, he has an electronics background.

Quote from Jeff Nading on October 16th, 2012, 01:34 PM

Quote from adys15 on October 16th, 2012, 01:07 PM

Hello all!me again with the gated freq gen.i manage to solve the tiny problems on Stans skematic all working good i get a controlable square wave coming out of the 9xa at 1,2,3,freq ranges and outputing the 74ls122 on pin8.BUT the problem is at 4th frq range(the one coming out directly of the 555 cip),i get a week distorted signal and is not controlable by the 74122.My thoughts are:

1.the 74122 cannot handle other waves than the square ones ,and pin3 of the555 does not output a  perfect square wave.

2.I tried hooking up 2 more pots for freq adj. and when i let all 3 of  them at minimum i can see and control the wave with the 74122,when i raise the freq the signal gets distorted again.

So what can i do?Is there any electronics GURU on this forum that can help me?i strugle with this circuit for over 5 monts,i cannot start any experiments with the coils because of this... i am going CRAZYYYYYY.....Thanks in advance!

Hi adys15, there is a new member who might be able to help you here:
http://open-source-energy.org/?action=profile;u=10019
You might ask him, he has an electronics background.

Thanks Jeff i was thinking at that guy too..i read his posts...i sent him a mail...and waiting..
Sharky ?what he is doing ?i did not see any posts or feedback from his experiments with the vic cards that he build...

Quote from adys15 on October 16th, 2012, 01:43 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on October 16th, 2012, 01:34 PM

Quote from adys15 on October 16th, 2012, 01:07 PM

Hello all!me again with the gated freq gen.i manage to solve the tiny problems on Stans skematic all working good i get a controlable square wave coming out of the 9xa at 1,2,3,freq ranges and outputing the 74ls122 on pin8.BUT the problem is at 4th frq range(the one coming out directly of the 555 cip),i get a week distorted signal and is not controlable by the 74122.My thoughts are:

1.the 74122 cannot handle other waves than the square ones ,and pin3 of the555 does not output a  perfect square wave.

2.I tried hooking up 2 more pots for freq adj. and when i let all 3 of  them at minimum i can see and control the wave with the 74122,when i raise the freq the signal gets distorted again.

So what can i do?Is there any electronics GURU on this forum that can help me?i strugle with this circuit for over 5 monts,i cannot start any experiments with the coils because of this... i am going CRAZYYYYYY.....Thanks in advance!

Hi adys15, there is a new member who might be able to help you here:
http://open-source-energy.org/?action=profile;u=10019
You might ask him, he has an electronics background.

Thanks Jeff i was thinking at that guy too..i read his posts...i sent him a mail...and waiting..
Sharky ?what he is doing ?i did not see any posts or feedback from his experiments with the vic cards that he build...

Your welcome adys15
Haven't heard from him in a while, don't know what happened.:exclamation:

here is the skematic from patent we all know with Don;s values except instead of 4001 nor gates, i use 7402 nor gates ..same thing....

Quote from adys15 on October 16th, 2012, 03:03 PM

here is the skematic from patent we all know with Don;s values except instead of 4001 nor gates, i use 7402 nor gates ..same thing....

Great work adys15, looks good. Have you heard from Mike yet?:D

Hi , I am new to this hardworking people forum and really amaized at the understanding level of you people. I read the whole forum saw the last youtube uploaded which shows the waveform replicated and suggested in the end that tip120 and some other transistors (don't exactly remember the numbers of them) do not work as proposed in the final schematic, and proposed some other power transistor along with the other transistors well .....are they updated in the current v1.1 schematic or we will have these in the ver2 of the same cct.  

Still alive and kicking but things in my daily life have been hard the last half year and the company i work for is at the verge to go bankrupt. So all that has not allowed me to spent even a few hours on the Meyer tech research. I haven't even had the time to test out the coil and tubeset Russ sent me :s but that does not mean i have given up on the meyer tech, ... i am sure in the future i will find the time to pick up things where i left off but for now i simply do not have the time (and money) to spent it on this 'hobby', ... familly always goes first :exclamation:

Adys, ... are you using the Tony board or our board? Be sure that you place capacitors as near as possible to all timer, pll and other logic because if you do not it can seriously disturb the output signals and thus the square waves, ... meyer also had capacitors all over his boards for the same reason. Tony's board has non so that could pose a problem but not sure what you are using.

Hy Sharky nice to ;;hear'' from you again,i am not saying that you gave up,just we havent seen you for a while and dont know what happened.. Here is diagrams i am working with,First the 555 pot is at minimum and when i raise the freq the signal disapears slowly.The pot from 74122 is at max if i turn towards minimum it does the same way....loses signal...see att

Quote from Sharky on October 17th, 2012, 06:21 AM

Still alive and kicking but things in my daily life have been hard the last half year and the company i work for is at the verge to go bankrupt. So all that has not allowed me to spent even a few hours on the Meyer tech research. I haven't even had the time to test out the coil and tubeset Russ sent me :s but that does not mean i have given up on the meyer tech, ... i am sure in the future i will find the time to pick up things where i left off but for now i simply do not have the time (and money) to spent it on this 'hobby', ... familly always goes first :exclamation:

Adys, ... are you using the Tony board or our board? Be sure that you place capacitors as near as possible to all timer, pll and other logic because if you do not it can seriously disturb the output signals and thus the square waves, ... meyer also had capacitors all over his boards for the same reason. Tony's board has non so that could pose a problem but not sure what you are using.

Hi sharky, good to hear from you. :D Sorry to hear of your job situation, :angel: so many of us are running into that. I haven't had an hourly wage job since last April. I want to wish you and yours well, hope things will improve for you shortly, Jeff.:D

Quote from adys15 on October 17th, 2012, 06:40 AM

Hy Sharky nice to ;;hear'' from you again,i am not saying that you gave up,just we havent seen you for a while and dont know what happened.. Here is diagrams i am working with,First the 555 pot is at minimum and when i raise the freq the signal disapears slowly.The pot from 74122 is at max if i turn towards minimum it does the same way....loses signal...see att

it's just a matter of adjustment.
Or you increase the capacitor 555 timer to lower the freq, or you decrease the capacitor of mono 74,122 (<1uF), to get the pulses present.

Quote from Faisca on October 17th, 2012, 07:29 AM

Quote from adys15 on October 17th, 2012, 06:40 AM

Hy Sharky nice to ;;hear'' from you again,i am not saying that you gave up,just we havent seen you for a while and dont know what happened.. Here is diagrams i am working with,First the 555 pot is at minimum and when i raise the freq the signal disapears slowly.The pot from 74122 is at max if i turn towards minimum it does the same way....loses signal...see att

it's just a matter of adjustment.
Or you increase the capacitor 555 timer to lower the freq, or you decrease the capacitor of mono 74,122 (<1uF), to get the pulses present.

can you specify which caps?but if you want higher frequencies on the wfc what do you do?

sorry I saw the video again it was a diode not transistors and that too in the VIC and not in the pcb circuit, my bad I take my question back, another query that is running in my mind is about the comparision in the circuits the v1.1 on this forum, 9xa, 9xb and 9xd what is the difference between them all has anyone gone through the same, I remember tony uploading the 8xa and 9xa cct schematic so may he is better able to answer and thanks in advance

Quote from adys15 on October 17th, 2012, 07:33 AM

Quote from Faisca on October 17th, 2012, 07:29 AM

Quote from adys15 on October 17th, 2012, 06:40 AM

Hy Sharky nice to ;;hear'' from you again,i am not saying that you gave up,just we havent seen you for a while and dont know what happened.. Here is diagrams i am working with,First the 555 pot is at minimum and when i raise the freq the signal disapears slowly.The pot from 74122 is at max if i turn towards minimum it does the same way....loses signal...see att

it's just a matter of adjustment.
Or you increase the capacitor 555 timer to lower the freq, or you decrease the capacitor of mono 74,122 (<1uF), to get the pulses present.

can you specify which caps?but if you want higher frequencies on the wfc what do you do?

The output pulse duration is a function of the capacitance and resistance at pins 11 and 13 of the 74122. You have to read and understand the datasheet of the 74122 to change the values to your needs. Attached it for you as reference.

Also your image shows a lot of distortion on the frequency generator output. Did you have capacitors between vcc and gnd on all 555, 7490, 4001, 7404 and 74122 IC's? They do not need to be very big, ... i think i used 33nF in the vic pcb design. Also are you breadboarding or is this from a pcb? Connection, wire and trace quality has impact on the signals as well.

Quote from mzeeshanfahd on October 17th, 2012, 09:59 PM

sorry I saw the video again it was a diode not transistors and that too in the VIC and not in the pcb circuit, my bad I take my question back, another query that is running in my mind is about the comparision in the circuits the v1.1 on this forum, 9xa, 9xb and 9xd what is the difference between them all has anyone gone through the same, I remember tony uploading the 8xa and 9xa cct schematic so may he is better able to answer and thanks in advance

The 8XA and 9XA and B were part of the first systems Meyer created. The v1.1 pcb from this thread is part of the VIC which Meyer later build to run the dune buggy. So they are completely different and can not be interchanged. Part of the first systems you will see back in the latter, e.g. the Variable Pulse Frequency Generator of the VIC is no more than the frequency generator part of the 8XA circuit.

Meyers systems were work in progress engineering systems and to understand all you need to place all on the correct spot of the timeline and you will see his system expand from basic proof of concept setups to pre-production ready systems. A big problem is people intermix different systems and components and that will never work.

Quote from Sharky on October 18th, 2012, 02:51 AM

Quote from adys15 on October 17th, 2012, 07:33 AM

Quote from Faisca on October 17th, 2012, 07:29 AM

Quote from adys15 on October 17th, 2012, 06:40 AM

Hy Sharky nice to ;;hear'' from you again,i am not saying that you gave up,just we havent seen you for a while and dont know what happened.. Here is diagrams i am working with,First the 555 pot is at minimum and when i raise the freq the signal disapears slowly.The pot from 74122 is at max if i turn towards minimum it does the same way....loses signal...see att

it's just a matter of adjustment.
Or you increase the capacitor 555 timer to lower the freq, or you decrease the capacitor of mono 74,122 (<1uF), to get the pulses present.

can you specify which caps?but if you want higher frequencies on the wfc what do you do?

The output pulse duration is a function of the capacitance and resistance at pins 11 and 13 of the 74122. You have to read and understand the datasheet of the 74122 to change the values to your needs. Attached it for you as reference.

Also your image shows a lot of distortion on the frequency generator output. Did you have capacitors between vcc and gnd on all 555, 7490, 4001, 7404 and 74122 IC's? They do not need to be very big, ... i think i used 33nF in the vic pcb design. Also are you breadboarding or is this from a pcb? Connection, wire and trace quality has impact on the signals as well.

Thanks Sharky,i know the basics of the 74122 and how it works.I am working on the pcb,and construct the boards by Tony design,and are exactly like Stans original skematics provided by Don(i have just 9xa and gated pulse on separated pcbs)no pll conected yet,i just want to achive resonance thats by bigest goal:d .,i know the caps filter the signal but why Stan did not put them,Tony also,in your skematic the same no extra caps on thhouse crkts.Ihave a pc scope the signal is fed directly on the soundcard mic....so maibe this couses a distorsion.

From what i saw the 555is outputing sharp signals and thats why 74122 cannot process them,it wants square waves...the 1x,2x,3x freq proceses normaly.I will try with the caps like you said and see whats hapens...thanks for input...Cheers!

I tried placing 40nF  between vcc and gnd of all the cips,and no change in the signal,actualy it maid it a bit worst....i changed also the 1mf cap between the pins 11-13 on 74122 and is not distording the signal but you dont have enough adjustment just from 30%mark to 0%,you cannot adjust the space.All in all i quit working on this crkt,is verry frustrating,i will try to build the 9xb because you have the gating independent but from what i see on the 9xa you dont have full range adjustment of the trail of pulses....what do you guys think?

Quote from Sharky on October 18th, 2012, 02:51 AM

Quote from adys15 on October 17th, 2012, 07:33 AM

Quote from Faisca on October 17th, 2012, 07:29 AM

Quote from adys15 on October 17th, 2012, 06:40 AM

The 8XA and 9XA and B were part of the first systems Meyer created. The v1.1 pcb from this thread is part of the VIC which Meyer later build to run the dune buggy. So they are completely different and can not be interchanged. Part of the first systems you will see back in the latter, e.g. the Variable Pulse Frequency Generator of the VIC is no more than the frequency generator part of the 8XA circuit.

Meyers systems were work in progress engineering systems and to understand all you need to place all on the correct spot of the timeline and you will see his system expand from basic proof of concept setups to pre-production ready systems. A big problem is people intermix different systems and components and that will never work.

What system set up is best ???

Quote from energyrich626 on October 23rd, 2012, 06:40 PM

Quote from Sharky on October 18th, 2012, 02:51 AM

Quote from adys15 on October 17th, 2012, 07:33 AM

Quote from Faisca on October 17th, 2012, 07:29 AM

Quote from adys15 on October 17th, 2012, 06:40 AM

The 8XA and 9XA and B were part of the first systems Meyer created. The v1.1 pcb from this thread is part of the VIC which Meyer later build to run the dune buggy. So they are completely different and can not be interchanged. Part of the first systems you will see back in the latter, e.g. the Variable Pulse Frequency Generator of the VIC is no more than the frequency generator part of the 8XA circuit.

Meyers systems were work in progress engineering systems and to understand all you need to place all on the correct spot of the timeline and you will see his system expand from basic proof of concept setups to pre-production ready systems. A big problem is people intermix different systems and components and that will never work.

What system set up is best ???

That's a good question at this point, there are four different systems none of which have really been tested with all the bells and whistles yet. :D

Quote from energyrich626 on October 23rd, 2012, 06:40 PM

Quote from Sharky on October 18th, 2012, 02:51 AM

Quote from adys15 on October 17th, 2012, 07:33 AM

Quote from Faisca on October 17th, 2012, 07:29 AM

Quote from adys15 on October 17th, 2012, 06:40 AM

The 8XA and 9XA and B were part of the first systems Meyer created. The v1.1 pcb from this thread is part of the VIC which Meyer later build to run the dune buggy. So they are completely different and can not be interchanged. Part of the first systems you will see back in the latter, e.g. the Variable Pulse Frequency Generator of the VIC is no more than the frequency generator part of the 8XA circuit.

Meyers systems were work in progress engineering systems and to understand all you need to place all on the correct spot of the timeline and you will see his system expand from basic proof of concept setups to pre-production ready systems. A big problem is people intermix different systems and components and that will never work.

What system set up is best ???

your best bet is the "The 8XA and 9XA and B were part of the first systems Meyer created"

thus far i think that its the place to start as at least its able to make some usable gas...

the other systems are not understood well enough yet...

these are my thoughts... ~Russ

Quote from Jeff Nading on October 23rd, 2012, 07:12 PM

Quote from energyrich626 on October 23rd, 2012, 06:40 PM

Quote from Sharky on October 18th, 2012, 02:51 AM

Quote from adys15 on October 17th, 2012, 07:33 AM

Quote from Faisca on October 17th, 2012, 07:29 AM

Quote from adys15 on October 17th, 2012, 06:40 AM

The 8XA and 9XA and B were part of the first systems Meyer created. The v1.1 pcb from this thread is part of the VIC which Meyer later build to run the dune buggy. So they are completely different and can not be interchanged. Part of the first systems you will see back in the latter, e.g. the Variable Pulse Frequency Generator of the VIC is no more than the frequency generator part of the 8XA circuit.

Meyers systems were work in progress engineering systems and to understand all you need to place all on the correct spot of the timeline and you will see his system expand from basic proof of concept setups to pre-production ready systems. A big problem is people intermix different systems and components and that will never work.

What system set up is best ???

That's a good question at this point, there are four different systems none of which have really been tested with all the bells and whistles yet. :D

no testing - no progress! that seems to be actual status here at the moment.
 
why?

asking questions makes sense as long as there´s somebody else who has got answers by experiments. we know that there is no one out there who can answer our questions by theory.

many questions get answered by Meyer´s docs but does that really help to make hho production start?

no, hho production starts in a real live experimental configuration.

who really jumps into that? who wants to spend money and time into that?

for anybody wanting to build something the answer means he has to build all configurations as Meyer did step by step.

we could do that by load sharing so that not everyone has to build the same configuration. but there would be a benefit to do so so that results can be compared.

but first step would be to set up a list of members showing

- who is working on which detailed configuration
- actual status / updated
- results
- result discussion

Quote from bussi04 on October 24th, 2012, 01:56 AM

no testing - no progress! that seems to be actual status here at the moment.
 
why?

asking questions makes sense as long as there´s somebody else who has got answers by experiments. we know that there is no one out there who can answer our questions by theory.

many questions get answered by Meyer´s docs but does that really help to make hho production start?

no, hho production starts in a real live experimental configuration.

who really jumps into that? who wants to spend money and time into that?

for anybody wanting to build something the answer means he has to build all configurations as Meyer did step by step.

we could do that by load sharing so that not everyone has to build the same configuration. but there would be a benefit to do so so that results can be compared.

but first step would be to set up a list of members showing

- who is working on which detailed configuration
- actual status / updated
- results
- result discussion

Most of us did a lot of work in the last few years trying to make something work. Allthough there has been some progress in understanding how it 'should' work we must acknowledge that until now there have been no noticeable results. At least i have not seen anything that produces better than electrolisys HHO generation.

I myself thought that after trying to build systems based on the patents that did not work the best next step would be trying to reproduce/replicate the exact Meyer systems based on photo and video material, see if they work and than try to understand what happens. This neither seems to work allthough i still need to do a lot of testing.

In my opinion we should go back to KISS and try to get some basic results with the Electrical Polarization Process. If that principle at all works we should get better than electrolysis performance.

Aside from the forums i also think that the only way to move forward on this is to actually fysically work together on this. There are quite some brillant minds on this forum but they would work a lot faster being in the same room than discussing through the forums. Also joining resources like materials and machining capabilities would be benificial. I agree that it would be difficult to achieve but if we could form teams of geographically near people that get together say once or twice a month to work together we could achieve more.

What do you guys think about this?

Quote from Sharky on October 24th, 2012, 04:38 AM

Quote from bussi04 on October 24th, 2012, 01:56 AM

no testing - no progress! that seems to be actual status here at the moment.
 
why?

asking questions makes sense as long as there´s somebody else who has got answers by experiments. we know that there is no one out there who can answer our questions by theory.

many questions get answered by Meyer´s docs but does that really help to make hho production start?

no, hho production starts in a real live experimental configuration.

who really jumps into that? who wants to spend money and time into that?

for anybody wanting to build something the answer means he has to build all configurations as Meyer did step by step.

we could do that by load sharing so that not everyone has to build the same configuration. but there would be a benefit to do so so that results can be compared.

but first step would be to set up a list of members showing

- who is working on which detailed configuration
- actual status / updated
- results
- result discussion

Most of us did a lot of work in the last few years trying to make something work. Allthough there has been some progress in understanding how it 'should' work we must acknowledge that until now there have been no noticeable results. At least i have not seen anything that produces better than electrolisys HHO generation.

I myself thought that after trying to build systems based on the patents that did not work the best next step would be trying to reproduce/replicate the exact Meyer systems based on photo and video material, see if they work and than try to understand what happens. This neither seems to work allthough i still need to do a lot of testing.

In my opinion we should go back to KISS and try to get some basic results with the Electrical Polarization Process. If that principle at all works we should get better than electrolysis performance.

Aside from the forums i also think that the only way to move forward on this is to actually fysically work together on this. There are quite some brillant minds on this forum but they would work a lot faster being in the same room than discussing through the forums. Also joining resources like materials and machining capabilities would be benificial. I agree that it would be difficult to achieve but if we could form teams of geographically near people that get together say once or twice a month to work together we could achieve more.

What do you guys think about this?

good idea. that´s the reason why I added "Germany" to my posts a year ago.

Quote from bussi04 on October 24th, 2012, 04:49 PM

Quote from Sharky on October 24th, 2012, 04:38 AM

Quote from bussi04 on October 24th, 2012, 01:56 AM

no testing - no progress! that seems to be actual status here at the moment.
 
why?

asking questions makes sense as long as there´s somebody else who has got answers by experiments. we know that there is no one out there who can answer our questions by theory.

many questions get answered by Meyer´s docs but does that really help to make hho production start?

no, hho production starts in a real live experimental configuration.

who really jumps into that? who wants to spend money and time into that?

for anybody wanting to build something the answer means he has to build all configurations as Meyer did step by step.

we could do that by load sharing so that not everyone has to build the same configuration. but there would be a benefit to do so so that results can be compared.

but first step would be to set up a list of members showing

- who is working on which detailed configuration
- actual status / updated
- results
- result discussion

Most of us did a lot of work in the last few years trying to make something work. Allthough there has been some progress in understanding how it 'should' work we must acknowledge that until now there have been no noticeable results. At least i have not seen anything that produces better than electrolisys HHO generation.

I myself thought that after trying to build systems based on the patents that did not work the best next step would be trying to reproduce/replicate the exact Meyer systems based on photo and video material, see if they work and than try to understand what happens. This neither seems to work allthough i still need to do a lot of testing.

In my opinion we should go back to KISS and try to get some basic results with the Electrical Polarization Process. If that principle at all works we should get better than electrolysis performance.

Aside from the forums i also think that the only way to move forward on this is to actually fysically work together on this. There are quite some brillant minds on this forum but they would work a lot faster being in the same room than discussing through the forums. Also joining resources like materials and machining capabilities would be benificial. I agree that it would be difficult to achieve but if we could form teams of geographically near people that get together say once or twice a month to work together we could achieve more.

What do you guys think about this?

good idea. that´s the reason why I added "Germany" to my posts a year ago.

I agree to Sharky, to have teams pooling resources then working together would be of great benefit.:D
PS. Don't know if you had seen this one yet Sharky, it's just for you, here
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=781  :D

I have created a new thread to see everybodies response on the subject: http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=785

i finish to assembled a different board