Complete VIC schematic and pcb

Faisca

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #375, on June 16th, 2012, 10:15 AM »
Quote from adys15 on June 15th, 2012, 12:04 PM
Quote from Faisca on June 14th, 2012, 04:23 PM
Quote from adys15 on June 14th, 2012, 02:18 PM
hey guys today i bouth another 74ls08 and test the gate circuit again,but no results,the square wave is without the pin 8 of 74122 conected to pin5 of 7408,and the messy wave is with the two conected...can anyone give a clue,i checed 1000 time ,same result,,,anyone has a working gate circuit???stans does not seems to work or the 74122 is broken!!
what is going on "74122"?
Pin "8" is high or low?
You have not sent the schematic.
Again, this part of the gate is not important, not now.
I'm sending the original of Meyer. Now identify your circuit in the figure. and show me where this square wave and seeing the other comments it deems relevant.
the circuit is just like Stans patentyou posted,the square wave is on pin 8 of the 7408,without pin 8 of 74122 conected,the ripples is with the pin 8 of 74122 con to pin 5 of 7408
the gating is important because I finished the vic and canot test it,what do i conect to scanner?? if i dont have all the circuits
My friend Adys.
You're heating up your head with anything. (Missing school).
Consider:
This part of the circuit, if not enter anything, nothing happens (as you say, as you saw).
At the entrance (M1 or B) if there are pulses, they are attuned / different (by two "nor-gate") feeding pin "3" and "4" "74122", this will be set the pulse width (the "P5 ").
In the [K] if so, disable pin "4" 7408 ("and gate") the same thing with the pin "9" ("cell off"), disabling the output [A] in "Q11".
In other words, insert pulses [M] or and observe them in [A], if you turn the key "cell off" or get in [K], no longer will have output [A]
I recommend: Do not disconnect pin "5" and "8". (to do this?) doing this will get noise and this is what you are seeing.

This is not the most productive way to learn electronics, not this forum, here we are learning the technology of Meyer.

Sharky

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #376, on June 18th, 2012, 01:36 PM »
I added an excelsheet to the first post with Farnell and Mouser component lists for the VIC v1.1 pcb.
Sharky

adys15

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #377, on June 19th, 2012, 01:50 PM »Last edited on June 19th, 2012, 01:55 PM by adys15
Hey guys,first of all MANNY MANNY THANKS TO TONNY WOODSIDE FOR MAKING THIS POSIBLE,and you guys for helping me.I have finished my VIC ..at least,but does not sure if i conected the pins corectely,and I don't realy know how to measure this thing,on the test BNC i get a scrambled signal,and on the pin 4 of 4046 i get some square wave..see att,sorry for the mess,i turn my room in an workshop:))
I have no transfermer hooked on it ,just the pulse freq gen,and i observed that the pll lock in stais on all the time ,same the ''osc led',Ican adjust the scaner ,but i can varry the voltage amplitude,where i measure that?I think the real testing will be with the transformer because i have to receive the signal from the feedback coil trough pulse indicator no? any comments?

sniperam

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #378, on June 20th, 2012, 07:05 AM »
Quote from Sharky on June 18th, 2012, 01:36 PM
I added an excelsheet to the first post with Farnell and Mouser component lists for the VIC v1.1 pcb.
Sharky
Hello Sharky,

I found this electrical component web site http://www.futurlec.com/. They have all the component for the vic pcb for a lower price than mouser (max $30) and the shipping is around $6. The only thing is in the vic part list there are some capacitor that are high voltage (500V) rated, but I only find in futurlec 50V rated. Is it critical assuming that the vic work at low voltage?

Also, I would like your opinion about their low price pcb service. http://www.futurlec.com/PCBService.shtml

Thanks


Sniperam


Sharky

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #380, on June 20th, 2012, 10:32 AM »
Quote from sniperam on June 20th, 2012, 07:05 AM
Quote from Sharky on June 18th, 2012, 01:36 PM
I added an excelsheet to the first post with Farnell and Mouser component lists for the VIC v1.1 pcb.
Sharky
Hello Sharky,

I found this electrical component web site http://www.futurlec.com/. They have all the component for the vic pcb for a lower price than mouser (max $30) and the shipping is around $6. The only thing is in the vic part list there are some capacitor that are high voltage (500V) rated, but I only find in futurlec 50V rated. Is it critical assuming that the vic work at low voltage?

Also, I would like your opinion about their low price pcb service. http://www.futurlec.com/PCBService.shtml

Thanks


Sniperam
Any cap rated 35V or higher will do since we indeed are only working with low voltage on the circuitry. The thing is that some suppliers sell only higher rated caps so the 50V caps will do.

The price for futurlec pcb's seems good. I can not say anything on the quality as i have not seen a board from them. things to watch are board thickness, are they gold plated?, protection layer?, etc. You could try and order 2 of the v1.1 pcb's, size is 100x130 mm so price will be $63 plus shipping and handling. Cheaper than i could get them!


Sharky

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #382, on June 25th, 2012, 03:17 AM »
Sniperam found some errors in the partlist excelsheet which are now corrected. Thank you sniperam for the feedback on that!!

If somebody orders his components from an other supplier than Farnell or Mouser please add the partnumbers to the excelsheet in a new sheet and sent it to me so i will upload the updated version to the first post of this thread.

Jean-Alexandre

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #383, on June 27th, 2012, 12:04 AM »
Quote from Sharky on January 18th, 2012, 06:05 AM
Several people already have build their VIC circuits based on pictures and the schematics from WO9207861. If we want to replicate Meyers work and get the cell to work we need the complete schematics. Since 'they' only sell their complete VIC schematics and do not give the full design for free its time to work it out completely and offer it for FREE (yes i share the thoughts of Russ that this will only work if all is available for free).

Haxar already did some fine work in tracing the VIC card. I now started to completely design the entire VIC with KICAD. I choose this toolset because it is available on Linux/Windows, it is open-source, reasonable easy to learn, it supports nested schematics, it comes with a good autorouter function and has the abillity to generate gerber files for pcb manufacturing. Anyway, ... if you do not like KICAD it is your problem :P, else download it at http://kicad.sourceforge.net. I used KiCad-2011-12-28-BZR3254-stable-Win_full_with_components_doc_install.exe from http://iut-tice.ujf-grenoble.fr/cao/ . If you download the snapshots the libraries will not get installed. Download the project zip file and use the unarchive option in the KiCad main menu to load it.

Complete:
- variable pulse generator
- gated pulse generator
- phase lock loop circuit
- pulse indicator circuit
- resonant scanning circuit
- Voltage Amplitude Control
- cell driver circuit

Schematics build on prototype board and verified:
- variable pulse generator
- gated pulse generator
- phase lock loop circuit
- pulse indicator circuit
- resonant scanning circuit
- Voltage Amplitude Control
- cell driver circuit

PCB:
- Components to modules complete for current schematic
- Components placed and traces made
- Generated Gerber files

Latest KiCad project file date: 14 may 2012

Regards,
Sharky
Hello all :

There are just someone error on reference.
1467868 --> 9558551
it s this product ?

good job

Sharky

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #384, on June 27th, 2012, 03:39 AM »
Quote from Jean-Alexandre on June 27th, 2012, 12:04 AM
Hello all :

There are just someone error on reference.
1467868 --> 9558551
it s this product ?

good job
Thanks !! Probably that item is no longer available, you are correct that 9558551 is a correct replacement. Updated the xls sheet.

adys15

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #385, on June 29th, 2012, 03:48 PM »
guys,where i have to conect my osciloscope on the vic to see the scaning and if it is looking?Sharky,how i design your schematic with thicker tracs,because the toner metod would not work with thouse thin tracks,btw your vic does all it supposed do to?i see russ and maybe others build it but no feedback,does it work or not?

Sharky

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #386, on July 30th, 2012, 06:23 AM »
Since i just saw today the remarks of user 'Ray Don' on the pcb v1.1 ordering thread which is now closed by Russ i would like to post my thoughts over here, ..... just in case somebody doubts my intentions (i know that Russ and a few others do not and never have!).

So lets be as transparent as i can be:

- To come to the current version 1.1 of the Meyer vic pcb design i roughly spent about 125-150 hours of my spare time.
- I ordered 14 boards at a total cost of 133.50 euros which is 9.50 euros per board
- 2 for me, 1 for haxar (for doing the trace) and 2 for Russ have not been paid for so that leaves 9 * 20 euro = 180 euros
- 2 persons did not pay while i did sent them the boards so i actually received 7 * 20 = 140 euros for the boards.
- sending the boards to Russ costed me about 6.80 euros because i decided that Russ did not have to pay for anything.

Conclusion, ... i have lost about 0.30 eurocents on the ordering and spent about 150 hours of my valuable time. So yes my boards and those of Russ and Haxar have been paid for by the community (the rest of you that ordered a board) but in my opinion a small payment for so much work and effort put into it.

To  'Ray Don', if you know anything about electronics you would know that 20 euros for a 100x140 gold plated board is dead cheap, ... in fact i challenge you to get it cheaper (without ordering 100's of them at once), the gerber files are in the first post of this thread (yes it is open source and available to all) so be my guest and start your Meyer webshop with it. Mentioning RWG Research and Haxar's name on the PCB was nothing more than to honor their hard work on it.

I prefer to stay here on the forums and try to bring this quest to a good end in collobaration with all those brilant minds that do occupy these forums!!

Lets not get our minds distracted and keep focusing on all the good discussions going on here on the forums!

Jeff Nading

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #387, on July 30th, 2012, 07:08 AM »Last edited on July 30th, 2012, 07:10 AM by Jeff Nading
Quote from Sharky on July 30th, 2012, 06:23 AM
Since i just saw today the remarks of user 'Ray Don' on the pcb v1.1 ordering thread which is now closed by Russ i would like to post my thoughts over here, ..... just in case somebody doubts my intentions (i know that Russ and a few others do not and never have!).

So lets be as transparent as i can be:

- To come to the current version 1.1 of the Meyer vic pcb design i roughly spent about 125-150 hours of my spare time.
- I ordered 14 boards at a total cost of 133.50 euros which is 9.50 euros per board
- 2 for me, 1 for haxar (for doing the trace) and 2 for Russ have not been paid for so that leaves 9 * 20 euro = 180 euros
- 2 persons did not pay while i did sent them the boards so i actually received 7 * 20 = 140 euros for the boards.
- sending the boards to Russ costed me about 6.80 euros because i decided that Russ did not have to pay for anything.

Conclusion, ... i have lost about 0.30 eurocents on the ordering and spent about 150 hours of my valuable time. So yes my boards and those of Russ and Haxar have been paid for by the community (the rest of you that ordered a board) but in my opinion a small payment for so much work and effort put into it.

To  'Ray Don', if you know anything about electronics you would know that 20 euros for a 100x140 gold plated board is dead cheap, ... in fact i challenge you to get it cheaper (without ordering 100's of them at once), the gerber files are in the first post of this thread (yes it is open source and available to all) so be my guest and start your Meyer webshop with it. Mentioning RWG Research and Haxar's name on the PCB was nothing more than to honor their hard work on it.

I prefer to stay here on the forums and try to bring this quest to a good end in collobaration with all those brilant minds that do occupy these forums!!

Lets not get our minds distracted and keep focusing on all the good discussions going on here on the forums!
Hi Sharky,  yours and others who worked and are still working on the electronics and all other fazes of this work are very much appreciated.:D We all know you lost money on this project, :angel:  again very much appreciated. I won't mention the guy's name that brought up this situation, but he has been dealt with, Russ and I don't have much hair left because of this, but it's over now and hope that the peace on the forum, support and cooperation continue to blossom. You and others have done some great work here and I know dedicated individuals like yourself will continue to do so. So, we all want to thank you for your hard work and dedication, thanks, Jeff.:D:D:D

Jean-Alexandre

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #388, on July 30th, 2012, 10:43 AM »
Quote from Sharky on July 30th, 2012, 06:23 AM
Since i just saw today the remarks of user 'Ray Don' on the pcb v1.1 ordering thread which is now closed by Russ i would like to post my thoughts over here, ..... just in case somebody doubts my intentions (i know that Russ and a few others do not and never have!).

So lets be as transparent as i can be:

- To come to the current version 1.1 of the Meyer vic pcb design i roughly spent about 125-150 hours of my spare time.
- I ordered 14 boards at a total cost of 133.50 euros which is 9.50 euros per board
- 2 for me, 1 for haxar (for doing the trace) and 2 for Russ have not been paid for so that leaves 9 * 20 euro = 180 euros
- 2 persons did not pay while i did sent them the boards so i actually received 7 * 20 = 140 euros for the boards.
- sending the boards to Russ costed me about 6.80 euros because i decided that Russ did not have to pay for anything.

Conclusion, ... i have lost about 0.30 eurocents on the ordering and spent about 150 hours of my valuable time. So yes my boards and those of Russ and Haxar have been paid for by the community (the rest of you that ordered a board) but in my opinion a small payment for so much work and effort put into it.

To  'Ray Don', if you know anything about electronics you would know that 20 euros for a 100x140 gold plated board is dead cheap, ... in fact i challenge you to get it cheaper (without ordering 100's of them at once), the gerber files are in the first post of this thread (yes it is open source and available to all) so be my guest and start your Meyer webshop with it. Mentioning RWG Research and Haxar's name on the PCB was nothing more than to honor their hard work on it.

I prefer to stay here on the forums and try to bring this quest to a good end in collobaration with all those brilant minds that do occupy these forums!!

Lets not get our minds distracted and keep focusing on all the good discussions going on here on the forums!
Hello sharky
is it possible to buy the two cards?

Alex



ddrum

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #391, on July 30th, 2012, 04:08 PM »
Whew.....Thank God! Keep up the great work!! Forums just seem kinda quiet lately.


Jean-Alexandre

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #393, on August 5th, 2012, 09:58 AM »
Hello all

I search a reference (farnell or other) of bigger potentiometer. (see image)
Someone can help me ?

Thank you so much

Alex


Sharky

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #395, on August 5th, 2012, 11:33 PM »
Quote from Jean-Alexandre on August 5th, 2012, 09:58 AM
Hello all

I search a reference (farnell or other) of bigger potentiometer. (see image)
Someone can help me ?

Thank you so much

Alex
If you mean the 'big' one with the five wires then that is not a potentiometer but a 4 position switch. You could use farnel # 1123704

Kind Regards,
Sharky

Gunther Rattay

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #396, on August 6th, 2012, 04:30 AM »
Quote from Jean-Alexandre on August 5th, 2012, 09:58 AM
Hello all

I search a reference (farnell or other) of bigger potentiometer. (see image)
Someone can help me ?

Thank you so much

Alex
What exactly do you mean by bigger potentiometer? more turns to get an expanded scale for frequency?

Jean-Alexandre

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #397, on August 7th, 2012, 08:22 AM »Last edited on August 7th, 2012, 08:27 AM by Jean-Alexandre
Thank you so much all for your answer.

Alex
I added this reference farnell in vic-1.1-component-list.xls

pjb

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb
« Reply #398, on September 12th, 2012, 10:08 PM »
Hi Sharky and Others

First I would like to say thanks for all your efforts here

I am new to this game , I feel like Im in grade 2  again


I bought a Vic circuit off from GlobalKast

Complete VIC Circuit - Comes with all the components fully assembled. The VIC Circuit includes the following circuits all on one PCB: "Variable Pulse Frequency Generator", "Gated Pulse Frequency Generator", "Phase Lock Circuit", "Resonant Scanning Circuit", Resonant Feedback", and "Cell Driver Circuit". All you would need is a properly constructed Cell, Transformer

Ive got the cell  and now I would like to build the Transformer

1.   Can anyone tell me what the Core should be built out of ?

2.   and what size wiring  ?

Thanks

Pete