So larger cells actually lower the capacitance, requiring higher frequencies?  Boy, if that's true there is surely something going on we don't understand.

What everyone needs to understand is he is using the water as his load resistance. That is what he is tuning into the resistive load of the water. Which gets us back to full transfer of power from the source which is the primary voltage. In order to get full transfer of power from the primary to the load the secondary circuit has to be impedance matched to the source of power. That's where capacitance of the cell is turned into capacitance reactance and the inductor is turned into inductive reactance to get the impedance of the secondary circuit to match the source. Let say you have 60 volts after voltage drops on the primary side and it has a 75 ohm source impedance, then it needs to see a 75 ohm load impedance on the secondary side to be matched in order to get 60 volts full transfer from the source. It is a little more complex than that but is a good idea of what is going on. Once you do the number crunching on the reactances of both the inductor and capacitor you should see how it would raise the frequency instead of lower it. Just remember you are working on the water's resistance. If the primary can't transfer it's power to the secondary then everything on the primary side turns to heat and you burn up things, and that's where you get your voltage losses from on the secondary side.

Does this make since or am I wrong?

Quote from gpssonar on November 19th, 2013, 06:32 PM

What everyone needs to understand is he is using the water as his load resistance. That is what he is tuning into the resistive load of the water. Which gets us back to full transfer of power from the source which is the primary voltage. In order to get full transfer of power from the primary to the load the secondary circuit has to be impedance matched to the source of power. That's where capacitance of the cell is turned into capacitance reactance and the inductor is turned into inductive reactance to get the impedance of the secondary circuit to match the source. Let say you have 60 volts after voltage drops on the primary side and it has a 75 ohm source impedance, then it needs to see a 75 ohm load impedance on the secondary side to be matched in order to get 60 volts full transfer from the source. It is a little more complex than that but is a good idea of what is going on. Once you do the number crunching on the reactances of both the inductor and capacitor you should see how it would raise the frequency instead of lower it. Just remember you are working on the water's resistance. If the primary can't transfer it's power to the secondary then everything on the primary side turns to heat and you burn up things, and that's where you get your voltage losses from on the secondary side.

Does this make since or am I wrong?

Makes sense to me GPS. There's that word again "reactance" or reactive power were talking about on another thread. :cool::D:P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volt-ampere_reactive

There you go Jeff, you can do a lot with reactive power.

Quote from Matt Watts on November 19th, 2013, 05:44 PM

So larger cells actually lower the capacitance, requiring higher frequencies?  Boy, if that's true there is surely something going on we don't understand.

Larger cells increases in capacitance but they require higher frequencies.
That's how I see it anyway.

I am working on sourcing  HV Coil in Biflar design like stans
here what I have found so far Spec and feed back will help
Both we very interesting to look at closely  as the teslea solid stan may have more reliability than the
stainless coil.

solid state tesla coil similar to stans design
http://www.sentex.ca/~mec1995/circ/hv/ss-tesla/ss-tesla2.html

https://data.epo.org/publication-server/html-document?PN=EP0935261%20EP%200935261&iDocId=4779976

please offer feed back as the spec seam high

dan

Quote from securesupplies on November 22nd, 2013, 07:04 AM

solid state tesla coil similar to stans design
http://www.sentex.ca/~mec1995/circ/hv/ss-tesla/ss-tesla2.html

Interesting circuit.

Just posted this on laser distributer thread

we need to push on the coil design now and complete the best result

see attached

Dan

Quote from Matt Watts on November 22nd, 2013, 07:16 AM

Quote from securesupplies on November 22nd, 2013, 07:04 AM

solid state tesla coil similar to stans design
http://www.sentex.ca/~mec1995/circ/hv/ss-tesla/ss-tesla2.html

Interesting circuit.

you guys do alot of good work here.

i dont post much on this stuff, but i was looking through some old pdf files, and found this. perhaps it can be use  as a power supply for vic, etc..

and i toss this one in, because its look so easy to make. note the vacum tube. is that also  a magnetic pickup?
im not sure, but i like the tesla patent, hope some one can make it for some fun.:)

Quote from securesupplies on November 17th, 2013, 11:17 PM

I believe this also help to see
so I am posting here for sharing and replicating

Daniel
www.securesupplies.biz

Hello, achievement make complete replica of the cell meyer? few lpm hydrogen produced? plate with which he did with tony or the sharky?

 
can we use these coils

http://www.celnav.de/hv/hv1.htm

have a look at this cheap ozone plasma generator ( $22usd), it appears to have a vic coil in it,
I'm hoping to hook up a dds frequency generator to it for experiments

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEW-AC-220V-3g-Ozone-Generator-Ozone-Tube-DIY-3g-hr-for-WATER-Plant-Purifier/1073759574.html

heres a pic

thank you this is a nice post, But it should be in the Air intake ioniser thread,  I have been studying and have learn that infact we may be ioniser the ni as well as the O on th intake,  there are now membrane systems for diesel for this and electrolyzers also , so this is very interesting technology for controlling the air intake(gas processor type 2 ) meyers

Dan
 PS

that unit states  Working frequency : 1khz

thank you this is a nice post, But it should be in the Air intake ioniser thread,  I have been studying and have learn that infact we may be ioniser the ni as well as the O on th intake,  there are now membrane systems for diesel for this and electrolyzers also , so this is very interesting technology for controlling the air intake(gas processor type 2 ) meyers

i should be noted telsa also had a ion maker patent.

i was thinking along the lines of using the plasma ( not with ceramic plate) too experiment with splitting water droplets from humidifier, adding freq gen to change freq. The voltage may be a bit low
4kv or so. Its possible the sparkplug injector circuit creates plasma? Its a longshot I know.

i like your idea, this is some very easy stuff as soon as we get russ on board. Russ can do many experiments but has been on the side for a wile. thinking of money?

any way clear your head a vapor and a charge is ideal.

Quote from freethisone on February 5th, 2014, 04:17 PM

i like your idea, this is some very easy stuff as soon as we get russ on board. Russ can do many experiments but has been on the side for a wile. thinking of money?

any way clear your head a vapor and a charge is ideal.

Russ is very busy, but as we all know and he has stated many times, his family comes first.  All members of the forum are encouraged to do experiments, we don't have to wait for Russ to do them all. :P   

Im on it boss

Quote from Breakzeitgeist on February 7th, 2014, 07:33 PM

Im on it boss

Me too.  Following your lead bzg.

to secure supplies, on the tesla ioniser picture you posted, what is creating the high voltage oscillations? its not the spark of the brushes on the commutator?

also i note on teh tesla dia. that part 'L' is a capacitor, at first glance I thought it was a plasma ceramic plate,
but I see its how he drew capacitors.

This concept can be used to wrap you Wet HHO Cell , (similar to how a MRI Control Coil Works) so it hold the energised stae of proton and electrons in a higher state compunding the bond breaking- A Better water fuel cell(watercapacitor) Stan Meyers

MUST TRY  - all dieleletics will work for example bismuth

link

Dan

thnx for reply, just a note on water exchanging hydrogen atoms, it was mentioned in the mri videos,
i thought it fascinating,
quote " on average the molecule of water remains hydrogen-bonded to a given partner for around 6 picoseconds before it exchanges. And because they could distinguish between one hydrogen bond and another (with either another water as partner or a perchlorate anion), the team could measure how long it took to break one bond and form another. This was only about 50 femtoseconds. "

from this study
http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2010/May/21051001.asp
probably not relevant but interesting

that time period of 50femptoseconds, equates to a wavelength of light of 15microns, if my calcs are correct