http://www.butlerwinding.com/flyback-inductor-transformer/

Great read concerning what happens in Stan's VIC, take note of what is said in the discharging stage statement:
The induced current cannot maintain this field but does slow down the decline of the magnetic field. A slower decline translates to a lower induced flyback voltage. If current cannot flow, the magnetic field will decline very rapidly and consequently create a much higher induced voltage.
Stan creates opposing negatives and opposes current so that the above statement comes true.

The resistor across the primary ensures that the magnetic field collapse across the primary is quick enough for high voltage to be maintained in the secondaries. Look what people are doing when they build flyback transformers for jacobs ladders and such. They always solder a 220 Ohm resistor across the primary.
Here lies the basic principle:
If you allow the field to collapse slowly, the induced voltage will be low and the current will be high.
If you block the current and collapse the field quickly then the current will be low and the voltage high.
TV flyback transformers now have series coils and diodes built in and can produce 30kv output from 12v input @ 300mA. But take note, if they don't spend the voltage at the same rate that it is created then they destroy themselves quickly which is impedance lingo.

So in essence the VIC is a tv flyback transformer using the reverse voltage bias principle but further blocks the current with L2 opposing the secondary current then uses transmission line impedance matching principles. Also allowing it to operate at the self resonant frequency of its secondaries which incidentally is also a principle used in more efficient tv flyback transformers. TV's are tuned so that the 30kv from it's flyback circuit is always fully used by the tv screen and a dump capacitor. If we build a capacitor and we need to tune it to our flyback circuit then we too can build a dump to tune it. A big spark gap would be useful.

Here is a typical flyback with the tip 3055 and a 240 Ohm resistor, looks remarkably similar to stans primary set up doesn't it? I wonder what the resistance is of a tv flyback secondary?
Has Stan just rearranged this schematic?

Quote from gpssonar on October 29th, 2016, 04:59 AM

With a dead short this want take place, once again you must remove the dead short in the capacitor before any interaction of the coils will occur.

Excuse me for not seeing the forrest for the trees here, but removing the dead short means in fact applying some Faradic brute force electrolysis on the WFC, which creates a layer of gas bubbles on the cell pipe walls, which in effect then turns the gas itself into an isolator, thus "removing the dead short", is this anywhere near what's going on here?

Another flyback drive circuit, this one produces 30kv@ 5 amps but no current restriction. You could fit this drive circuit onto Stan's VIC though and have current restriction @ resonance of the secondary.

Ronnie has shown us how to restrict current using L2, this was the stalling point for most, now the gloves are off you can fly. We can take the drive circuits and flyback circuits out of tv's and make this work, you don't have to build stan's circuits.

Quote from nav on October 29th, 2016, 09:22 AM

Ronnie has shown us how to restrict current using L2, this was the stalling point for most, now the gloves are off you can fly. We can take the drive circuits and flyback circuits out of tv's and make this work, you don't have to build stan's circuits.

Stan's circuits are needed to make it work the way he intended it to. Safely and automatically.

Quote from hydrofuelincanada on October 29th, 2016, 09:42 AM

Stan's circuits are needed to make it work the way he intended it to. Safely and automatically.

You still can do, but there are other ways like thus which can still be controlled safely. It's understanding the principle at this stage which is important.

Superb reading here:
http://boginjr.com/electronics/hv/flybacks-guide/
Boy oh boy is this getting good Ronnie. You were right, Stan took his B+ jargon from tv circuitry talk.

Nav keep up the good work, You are taking a lot of work off my shoulders. Thanks, you don't know how much you are helping.

Quote from gpssonar on October 29th, 2016, 10:25 AM

Nav keep up the good work, You are taking a lot of work off my shoulders. Thanks, you don't know how much you are helping.

You're welcome. Now we know why Stan placed his tip 3055, voltage regulator and resistors in close proximity to the primary and the pick up coil as in the below picture. I always wondered why the tip 3055 wasn't on the main board and the voltage reg too.
It's because they are part of the most common flyback driver circuit ever made and the diode is also part of that famous tv circuit that's been around since the 1940's more or less. Stan has taken this circuit which has a principle of reverse biasing the diode during charging then forward biasing during discharging, he's rebadged it completely and cleverly hidden it from the patent office. In other words he found out a tv hv driver could charge a cap of his choice as long as he matches the drive circuitry just like a tv drive circuit is tuned to the cathode it drives. Kinda disappointed really in the end that its turned out this way but it's opened up aladin's cave and made things a whole bunch easier. If people can't get the cell working now then I don't know what to say.

Quote from nav on October 29th, 2016, 08:17 AM

I wonder what the resistance is of a tv flyback secondary?

I think Stan probably got many of his ideas from conventional TV circuits, but there are some fairly profound differences.  One of which is the turns ratio.  And the second is the core gap.

I think you'll notice most TV flybacks have many thousands of turns of very tiny wire on their secondary, which would translate into very high DC resistance.  So as you have heard from Ronnie, this form of drive circuit might be able to sustain gas production, but it would never be able to handle enough current to initiate it.  Same would be true for using automotive ignition coils.  The VIC is a special breed, tailored specifically for the WFC.  Just think about the turns ratio aspect.  How would you get 20kV from 12V when you only have a step-up ratio of 1 to 6?   This is where the math, the timing and the properties of the VIC components take things to a whole new level.

So a TV flyback circuit driving a WFC?   Probably not.   But a VIC driving a TV tube?   That may be quite possible.  And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Stan stumbled into just such a circuit working with military radar equipment.  Maybe one of those old radar scopes use the VIC.  The manual for such scope might even refer to the driver circuit as a Voltage Intensifier Circuit.  Mr. "Keep It Simple Stupid" himself, surely wouldn't attempt to re-design from scratch something he already knows exists.  He'd just use it with a few tweaks.

The reason I bring this up is because military equipment is typically (or used to be) hardened for battle.  It wouldn't use thousands of turns of delicate super thin wire.  So to meet the specifications of the Air Force at that time, I'm sure a better circuit was devised capable of being beaten up and still work in the field.  The VIC is the likely outcome of that engineering feat.  Probably dead-n-gone now is an engineer that originated this circuit and knew exactly what all it could be used for.  It's only fortunate for us, Stan figured out what else this could be used for.  And now Ronnie is bringing it to the table for us to figure out as well.

Quote from nav on October 29th, 2016, 11:01 AM

You're welcome. Now we know why Stan placed his tip 3055, voltage regulator and resistors in close proximity to the primary and the pick up coil as in the below picture. I always wondered why the tip 3055 wasn't on the main board and the voltage reg too.
It's because they are part of the most common flyback driver circuit ever made and the diode is also part of that famous tv circuit that's been around since the 1940's more or less. Stan has taken this circuit which has a principle of reverse biasing the diode during charging then forward biasing during discharging, he's rebadged it completely and cleverly hidden it from the patent office. In other words he found out a tv hv driver could charge a cap of his choice as long as he matches the drive circuitry just like a tv drive circuit is tuned to the cathode it drives. Kinda disappointed really in the end that its turned out this way but it's opened up aladin's cave and made things a whole bunch easier. If people can't get the cell working now then I don't know what to say.

2n3055 on Meyer circuit Works on Voltage amplitude circuit regulation only, coupled with one of the TIP120.
It is not good to speculate other things and see others that aren't there, sorry.

Here they are on Meyer schematic:



and Don's annotations:

Quote from X-Blade on October 29th, 2016, 12:20 PM

2n3055 on Meyer circuit Works on Voltage amplitude circuit regulation only, coupled with one of the TIP120.
It is not good to speculate other things and see others that aren't there, sorry.

Let's weigh up the evidence shall we.
1. Tv flyback circuits contain typically, a 3055 transistor, a voltage regulator, a resistor of about 220-240 Ohm value and a diode on the output of the secondary. A primary coil, a pickup coil and up to 3 in series secondaries.
2. Stan's VIC which he produced the most contain typically a 3055 transistor, a voltage regulator, a resistor of 220 Ohm value and a diode on the secondary output, a primary coil, a pickup coil and 3 in series secondaries.
3. Both are capable of producing massively high voltages up to 50kv and some tv flyback transformers can produde 30kv for less than 500ma especially if they have in series multiple secondaries.
I'd say that kinda wraps it up, oh I almost forget the most important thing: both deploy the principle of reverse biasing the secondary on charging and forward biasing the secondary on discharging.
We can argue all day but the similarities are irrifutible.

Quote from gpssonar on October 29th, 2016, 03:47 AM

Adys15, Everything I am referencing to is to Stan's Vic. I don't want to confuse people even more by talking about the two core Vic.  You can take my word for it, I have done my home work. I took every photo of the Stan's estate photos of the Vic and traced every wire in them and where they go. Many hours went into it, sorting through the rat nest of wires.

Thanks for clearing this for me Ronnie,i did not wanted to ofend you or say that you mistaken the wiring,just saw that was a difference between Don drw and yours...I truly believe you,and from what you showed Dons drawings are wrong regarding the coils conections

I've messed about with tv flyback transformers and drove them before with PWM and the transistor drive circuit, doing jacobs ladders and stuff with 30kv but generally speaking they are current indusive and don't last long before you blow out the transformer but there is a reason behind that.
While ever you are doing experiments such as jacobs ladders you are constantly changing the input to output impedance ratio, this will eventually cause reflected energy to be aimed back into the secondary and burn it out.
Stan's Vic, the way it is constructed is a much more stable platform, the impedance you aim to match is more controllable and you have much more parameters to play with than just producing a basic set up.
But I can assure you of this: If you took a modern TV flyback transformer of the advanced kind that can produce 30kv for less than 500ma and you impedanced match it with a PLL to a cell then it would work the same way it produces 30kv for a cathode tube and is tuned to the cathode.
Voltage is voltage and impedance is impedance no matter where they are.

if a FBT is connected push pull with 2 trans then it is functioning as a transformer with a winding ratio.   if FBT is use as a storage device only one trans can be used and theres no winding ratio . 
because of the sec HV diode , you can guess what the R measurement is ?? 

Nav I just showed the true function of 2n3055 there, directly from Stan Patent and Don's annotations.

Lets just say a cathode tube absorbs 30kv/ms@15khz and it's dump capacitor accounts for +10% per ms.
If your cell is only capable of 20kv/ms@15khz before you reach a dielectric breakdown and failure then you need to dump 10kv/ms to either ground or across an anode and cathode.
If you look at one of Stan's schematics he has such a set up in parallel to his cell called an exiter array which has an adjustable width between the surfaces, Ronnie has already mentioned it.
Tesla did it with spark gaps then adjusted them in or out which matched the impedance of what ever he had in parallel with the spark gap, Stan's cell didn't mind where the voltage was coming from as long as it could handle the speed and pressure it came at.

Quote from X-Blade on October 29th, 2016, 01:37 PM

Nav I just showed the true function of 2n3055 there, directly from Stan Patent and Don's annotations.

I'm not sure about Don but there isn't much i've read in Stan's papers which mention 220 ohm resistors, voltage regulators and tip 3055 in the VIC but I do know this. There are just far too many coincidences in Stan's VIC and a TV flyback for it to be a accident. I'm just not going to buy it.

Nav, Don saw that circuits from the buggy on his hand, better to look in what is a fact instead of  theories.
But yes, it is some kind of high voltage transformer.

What does it say on the transistor in the below VIC x-blade, it says 2n-3055, its in the VIC, its not fiction, its connected to the componants of the VIC, there is a regulator in there too and a 220 Ohm resistor just the same as most TV flybacks. There is also a reverse bias diode in the picture just the same as is built into a modern tv flyback.

It's  annoying to see all this will to do, lost thru so   much confusion ... I highly recommend to everyone here to start a scientific  course or get back to it like physics or something electronic engineering because it's clear to me how far you all can go with the correct information! I started a physics  Bachelor course some years ago and I can tell you that I can today have much clearer understanding of how polarities work, phase, force etc hope the best for all you...!