bloody hell what can only stop the flow of current through the primary winding

Quote from Ris on October 31st, 2016, 10:49 AM

bloody hell what can only stop the flow of current through the primary winding

I can't answer that because i've not seen Stan's scope shots of the primary current and voltage during pulse on time and pulse off time, I've not seen the secondaries scope shots for current and voltage during pulse on time or off time either. So in order to determine where amps are restricted I would need to see the scope shots but there doesn't seem to be any around.

If you watch the video of the spark plug, you can see they are almost no amp draw in the primary. If I remember right about .03 m/amps. It's due to no load on the secondary due to resonance.

I just realised that I have missed a critical detail,
where in the VIC core(s) is/are the airgap(s)

Just as I have them here. back to work, talk more later.

http://open-source-energy.org/?action=dlattach;topic=2785.0;attach=14138;image

you dont need osciloscope shots only common sense ,capacitance times voltage equal power,coil and a capacitor connected together easily scillate and produce a magnetic field if you increase the voltage you increase magnetic field stronger magnetic field stops the flow of electricity in primary winding

Quote from Ris on October 31st, 2016, 11:26 AM

you dont need osciloscope shots only common sense ,capacitance times voltage equal power,coil and a capacitor connected together easily scillate and produce a magnetic field if you increase the voltage you increase magnetic field stronger magnetic field stops the flow of electricity in primary winding

Very interesting, many thanks :thumbsup:

Guy's inductors hates reverse current that's why they sound like they are frying when in resonance. What better way to cause oscillatiion within the cell than to put an inductor on each side of the cell.

Quote from Ris on October 31st, 2016, 11:26 AM

you dont need osciloscope shots only common sense ,capacitance times voltage equal power,coil and a capacitor connected together easily scillate and produce a magnetic field if you increase the voltage you increase magnetic field stronger magnetic field stops the flow of electricity in primary winding

You always need scopeshots of voltage, amps and phase shifts to get all "fingerprint" information about the process dynamics going on.
One reason why this tech has not been replicated after such a long time is the lack of scope oriented discussion of dynamics going on in a working Stan Meyer type system.

I prefer more brain than the oscilloscope and Tesla did not have oscilloscope and he still produced high voltage upp to 20,000 000 volts And I would like to see oscilloscope that can withstand that
yes Oscilloscope is a useful tool if you know what you're doing

Quote from Sulaiman on October 31st, 2016, 11:18 AM

I just realised that I have missed a critical detail,
where in the VIC core(s) is/are the airgap(s)

Quote from gpssonar on October 31st, 2016, 11:22 AM

Just as I have them here. back to work, talk more later.

http://open-source-energy.org/?action=dlattach;topic=2785.0;attach=14138;image

Thanks.... for making my head hurt :)
I may have to build one to understand it, certainly non-trivial interactions going on there.
Approximately how long are the airgaps ?

btw, in the days of valves, B+ (battery positive) was as common as Vcc in bjt days and Vdd in mosfet days,

Ronnie thats the frying sound i heard yesturday when playing with my trafo.I heard that sound only when i i put the meter on the secoundary leads and voltage jumped to 800v AC...but after the coils the voltage was 340v...so i'm thinking coils on a separate core behaves much like a resistor or load to secoundary of trafo...thats why i want a C core.Looks like no one want one when i asked who wants to gather up and make a big order ...Russ what was the minimum order that you gave to manufacture the C cores and cost?

Sulaiman, I think Ronnie is trying to tell you this:

Quote from Ris on October 31st, 2016, 12:18 PM

I prefer more brain than the oscilloscope and Tesla did not have oscilloscope and he still produced high voltage upp to 20,000 000 volts And I would like to see oscilloscope that can withstand that
yes Oscilloscope is a useful tool if you know what you're doing

if you refuse to make scope analysis it´s quite the same as if you say "it works electrical".

tesla was a genius who invented his machines. that is totally different from trying to re-engineer a Stan Meyer application as we try to do.
tesla knew what he did because he understood the underlying mechanism of nature and built machines that made good use of resonance effects.

as long as noone here has the potential to re-invent Stan Meyer´s apparatus scope analysis is first class measurement tool.
there can be no arguing about that but there is a reason why there is no sufficient scope analysis  available right now.
an engineering approach always will use tools sufficient to unveil unknown effects. non-engineers won´t.

what is wrong with making internals visible by scope?
after that analysis there is so much more food for thinking and processing than before.

no need for theories as soon as the effects are made visible.

Quote from Gunther Rattay on October 31st, 2016, 01:42 PM

if you refuse to make scope analysis it´s quite the same as if you say "it works electrical".

tesla was a genius who invented his machines. that is totally different from trying to re-engineer a Stan Meyer application as we try to do.
tesla knew what he did because he understood the underlying mechanism of nature and built machines who made good use of resonance effects.

as long as noone here has the potential to re-invent Stan Meyer´s apparatus scope analysis is first class measurement tool.
there can be no arguing about that but there is a reason why there is no sufficient scope analysis  available right now.
an engineering approach always will use tools sufficient to unveil unknown effects. non-engineers won´t.

what is wrong making internals visible by scope?
after that analysis there is so much more food for thinking and processing than before.

no need for theories as soon as the effects are made visible.

Very good point.

Sulaiman, a few months ago I carefully rejigged the VIC from the estate pictures and found significant gaps in the core as pictured below. You will see where there is an hole in between the bobbins so stan could set the gap in the core. But what is more important is the pickup coil is over the top of one air gap and that is why I thought the middle coil was the primary bridging the gap so I started testing VICs with air gaps with some success but still at a loss to how it works. Ronnie has made it clearer but when Ronnie did his spark plug video he placed the primary over the air gap but never explained why. Perhaps Ronnie will explain why he did this. I think there is a network on the primary side that somehow bridges the gap and its either the primary or pickup or both together forming a linear core down the primary side of the core then it uses the two chokes and the capacitor to charge the other side of the core.

RIS
If i am able to afford you a scope i will send you one. I need to buy one because i dont ha e the brain power you do. I think if i get you a scope once you learn it you will be hell on wheels!! Lmao
You would be able to help out Ronnie and Nav and everyone else taking the lead here.  Why would i do that? One more brain testing for sure helps!

Quote from Ris on October 31st, 2016, 12:18 PM

I prefer more brain than the oscilloscope and Tesla did not have oscilloscope and he still produced high voltage upp to 20,000 000 volts And I would like to see oscilloscope that can withstand that
yes Oscilloscope is a useful tool if you know what you're doing

Quote from mercury101 on October 31st, 2016, 02:34 PM

RIS
If i am able to afford you a scope i will send you one. I need to buy one because i dont ha e the brain power you do. I think if i get you a scope once you learn it you will be hell on wheels!! Lmao
You would be able to help out Ronnie and Nav and everyone else taking the lead here.  Why would i do that? One more brain testing for sure helps!

I've sold my 40Khz scope and got a pc based scope, its much better than the massive 40Khz one. You get a v/a 20meg pc scope these days for 150 dollars. As you can see my shack has limited working space. Notice the VIC on top of my bench power supply, that bad boy has 2.1km of 30 gauge in it.

In case anyone was wondering about my new VIC, each secondary is 186 ohms and my primary is 33 ohms. Wired now as per Ronnie says and ready to go apart from the air gaps need to be defined. Oh and the cell is 5.5k ohm in tap water btw.

Here is another drawing that may help people with phasing and direction.

Quote from gpssonar on October 31st, 2016, 04:06 PM

Here is another drawing that may help people with phasing and direction.

So everything is in-phase except the L2.  Got it.

Quote from Sulaiman on October 31st, 2016, 12:22 PM

Thanks.... for making my head hurt :)

If your head hurts, imagine how the rest of us feel.  I've had bells ringing ever since I spoke with Ronnie.

I just wish I had all my notes and work up here, it would make this a lot better for me. I'm having to do it all again and most of it out of my head. But so far so good. No one has called me a fool yet. So I must be doing something right.

Threw this together to work through the impedance matching.  Hopefully it's helpful.

They way I did this is to have a manual turns ratio, then a calculated turns ratio using Ronnie's formulas.  You can use Excel to goal-seek so that the two values are equal.  That will find the values you can build around.  Base everything you do off the primary and you should be good to go.

Also, here's a little write-up I did to make sure this information doesn't fall down the memory hole.