Quote from ~Russ on October 23rd, 2016, 08:06 PM

i think the key here is doing it with the VIC. its a tuning thing, a slight off balance of the choke/cell?

makes me thing the negative choke and the cell work together, and the sec and positive choke as far as restive / inductive values are in the VIC "network"

~Russ

Yep your probably right ,just thinking out loud about possible other ways to do it. I'll try not to get too of topic

Many thanks for sharing Ronnie, very awesome to see the explanation on Meyer's tech :thumbsup:
And yes, you're quite right on the assumptions made regarding resonant action, step charge, etc, I also bought in on all that and basically just wasted time for nothing really.

Ronnie, what's the peak voltage over a single cell of our's at
1. liquid
2. gaseous
state?

... your's ...

Hy Ronnie.Thanks so much for helping us and free us from the chains...
I have many questions but i want to ask you just one for now..It is imperative that you have to have an offset circuit on the prinary to prevent the cell from discharging?I made the one from stans vic card and its just raises and lowers the voltage but not the ground reference

Thanks GPS
The relationship of L1-L2 might help some of us to get things working.

Am I understanding right..
If my cell was empty.....no water at all it might tune up?

Note: I saw a chart a long time ago showing (10) different types of Hydrogen.

(1) Dioatomic...Hydrogen made with just DC voltage..The weakest type of Hydrogen
(2) Monoatomic...Made with pulsating DC you get about 3% Monoatomic hydrogen at 12V PDC
Monoatomic hydrogen is more explosive than diotomic hydrogen.

There were 8 more but I can not remember...Ortho-Parahydrogen?

Number (10) was the Hydrogen BQMB

The VIC must make something other than Dioatomic hydrogen.

Thanks again GPS
No need to reply unless you think it is needed.

Quote from Enrg4life on October 23rd, 2016, 08:20 PM

Yep your probably right ,just thinking out loud about possible other ways to do it. I'll try not to get too of topic

Russ is right, The Vic uses the L1 and the cell to get the system started. That's what I was saying it is by design, The Inductance reactance of L1 and the Capacitance reactance can not be zero when the math is done or in other words balanced. It has to be a positive number which will be (ohms) when they are subtracted form one another, not reactance of either of the two. This will allow a small amount of current in the cell as the voltage amplitude increases up to 11 or 12 volts. You do not want the water to be flushed from the cell until you reach almost maximum applied voltage. You want it to be flushed with graduations of voltages 2 4 6 8 10 volts. Therefore you get maximum voltage when the system goes into resonance at around 10 or 11 volts from the VIC's primary. It's so important that the system doesn't try to go into resonance with water still in the cell, all you will get is amp leakage production. It is also important that it doesn't go into resonance with the cells flushed at 6 or 8 volts because you lose all that voltage you still have left (12) volts. You want the resonate action to take place at or close to peak input voltage, that way you get maximum high voltage when the system goes into resonance.

Thanks Ronnie for sharing your information!  :thumbsup:

My thoughts are exactly the same, but I think you’re after the "Resonance" in the tubes to enhance (particle) molecular movements.

I posted a couple of days ago a question about the tube dimensions having the same area’s and coincidentally balance them :-)
You wrote "Question is do you want a balance?", will you explain?

Quote from gpssonar on October 16th, 2016, 11:08 AM

Oh ok, I see what your talking about now.. That's if you are trying to get a balance with the cells, Question is do you want a balance? I'll talk more about this the 24th.

If you re-read the techbrief you also would know Meyer air-gap for the tube was 0.0625”.

So why nobody posted comments about Don information making a mistake in his drawings???

Quote from gpssonar on October 16th, 2016, 10:56 AM

I went and got one of my cells that I use and here are the measurements.... outer tube inner Dia=.648    inner rod Dia=.5  Gap=.074
 He must have not got his information right on that website. Sorry I gave you that link to misleading information. I'm still a little puzzled about the balance part you posted. Please explain!

You explained the part AFTER you successfully build a test setup, how you did that is still a mystery...any more technical details would be helping a lot.

~webmug

 

I will try and answer more questions this afternoon, It is time for me to start my day for now.

@gpssonar
Maybe you also would like to comment about the notes I posted few days back.

~webmug

Ronnie, will you show us the vídeo of your working cell ?

Quote from X-Blade on October 24th, 2016, 05:07 AM

Ronnie, will you show us the vídeo of your working cell ?

There is a comment about this very subject.   My recommendation is that we listen to Ronnie and do things as he has figured them out.  If five of us or so get something to work, we can all show videos the same day, the same hour, then compare notes.

My point is, it is a complete honor to have a man still alive to help us through this journey.  Please do not pressure him to show his goose laying the golden egg.  That's not what he is here for.  He's here to show us how to raise geese with similar qualities as his.  Please do respect this.  The title of this thread is "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works", not "Showing a Working Stan Meyers Water Fuel Cell."  A big difference.

So please gentlemen work together, ask pertinent questions and build something you are proud of.  I'm sure at some point when Ronnie feels enough people are finally "getting it", he'll be happy to show his work in comparison to ours.  It's a win-win situation at that point.

Trust me, when I'm there, I'll be happy to assist others as well and will show what I'm doing and how I'm doing it.  We have to do this together though as a group effort, not as individuals seeking some sort of spotlight.  Please, put yourself in Ronnie's shoes and think about things from his point of view, then ask yourself, what would you would do?

Thank you Mr. Ronnie for your time patients and info. I appreciate it as to many others. I hope your day goes well and i look forward to reading your and others comments also.  I have to get back to school work  and i will check out an old sewing machine after school to be modified as a spooler.
If i can get 29 gauge wire should i get enough for others? I found one link triple coated. But 29 is becoming more rare. Would 30 or 28 do also?  I wonder is anyone used glyptal for  added  insulation on coils?  If people want some of the 29 triple coated please message me.

Merc

Yes i agree totally.
being a gentlmen would be what is key.
I would like to help with your proposed comparison. I am behind you and others but i will try my best this winter to catch up. That way i might be of some help.

And yes thanks again Mr. Ronnie.  And perhaps if there is anything Mr. Ronnie needs help with we should strive to help him out as well as help eachother.  That way it is always a two way street.  Not a one way street.
I am willing to help. But for now need to catch up in order to be a help to anyone else.

Cheers.
have a good day everyone.

Merc

Quote from Matt Watts on October 24th, 2016, 05:28 AM

There is a comment about this very subject.   My recommendation is that we listen to Ronnie and do things as he has figured them out.  If five of us or so get something to work, we can all show videos the same day, the same hour, then compare notes.

My point is, it is a complete honor to have a man still alive to help us through this journey.  Please do not pressure him to show his goose laying the golden egg.  That's not what he is here for.  He's here to show us how to raise geese with similar qualities as his.  Please do respect this.  The title of this thread is "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works", not "Showing a Working Stan Meyers Water Fuel Cell."  A big difference.

So please gentlemen work together, ask pertinent questions and build something you are proud of.  I'm sure at some point when Ronnie feels enough people are finally "getting it", he'll be happy to show his work in comparison to ours.  It's a win-win situation at that point.

Trust me, when I'm there, I'll be happy to assist others as well and will show what I'm doing and how I'm doing it.  We have to do this together though as a group effort, not as individuals seeking some sort of spotlight.  Please, put yourself in Ronnie's shoes and think about things from his point of view, then ask yourself, what would you would do?

Quote from Matt Watts on October 24th, 2016, 05:28 AM

There is a comment about this very subject.   My recommendation is that we listen to Ronnie and do things as he has figured them out.  If five of us or so get something to work, we can all show videos the same day, the same hour, then compare notes.

My point is, it is a complete honor to have a man still alive to help us through this journey.  Please do not pressure him to show his goose laying the golden egg.  That's not what he is here for.  He's here to show us how to raise geese with similar qualities as his.  Please do respect this.  The title of this thread is "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works", not "Showing a Working Stan Meyers Water Fuel Cell."  A big difference.

So please gentlemen work together, ask pertinent questions and build something you are proud of.  I'm sure at some point when Ronnie feels enough people are finally "getting it", he'll be happy to show his work in comparison to ours.  It's a win-win situation at that point.

Trust me, when I'm there, I'll be happy to assist others as well and will show what I'm doing and how I'm doing it.  We have to do this together though as a group effort, not as individuals seeking some sort of spotlight.  Please, put yourself in Ronnie's shoes and think about things from his point of view, then ask yourself, what would you would do?

Thanks Matt I appreciate what you've said and couldn't have said it better my self.
Let's all be patient and Think about what Ronnie has posted and apply it to what stage of build you're at, then maybe you might have a pertinent question.
All the best to all and enjoy building

I have known Ronnie for many years, worked tirelessly with him, got to know him personally outside of the water fuel cell.

I have not ever once asked him to show me his working cell. This is a huge step he has taken to explain the workings of Stan Meyers technology.

Please do not ask him to show a working cell, that is not important here. What is is that he is kind and caring enough to tell you exactly how it works.

Neal

Quote from Matt Watts on October 24th, 2016, 05:28 AM

There is a comment about this very subject.   My recommendation is that we listen to Ronnie and do things as he has figured them out.  If five of us or so get something to work, we can all show videos the same day, the same hour, then compare notes.

My point is, it is a complete honor to have a man still alive to help us through this journey.  Please do not pressure him to show his goose laying the golden egg.  That's not what he is here for.  He's here to show us how to raise geese with similar qualities as his.  Please do respect this.  The title of this thread is "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works", not "Showing a Working Stan Meyers Water Fuel Cell."  A big difference.

So please gentlemen work together, ask pertinent questions and build something you are proud of.  I'm sure at some point when Ronnie feels enough people are finally "getting it", he'll be happy to show his work in comparison to ours.  It's a win-win situation at that point.

Trust me, when I'm there, I'll be happy to assist others as well and will show what I'm doing and how I'm doing it.  We have to do this together though as a group effort, not as individuals seeking some sort of spotlight.  Please, put yourself in Ronnie's shoes and think about things from his point of view, then ask yourself, what would you would do?

:clap:

Learning how to crawl first is a very good start.

Quote from Webmug on October 24th, 2016, 02:59 AM

Thanks Ronnie for sharing your information!  :thumbsup:

My thoughts are exactly the same, but I think you’re after the "Resonance" in the tubes to enhance (particle) molecular movements.

I posted a couple of days ago a question about the tube dimensions having the same area’s and coincidentally balance them :-)
You wrote "Question is do you want a balance?", will you explain?

If you re-read the techbrief you also would know Meyer air-gap for the tube was 0.0625”.

So why nobody posted comments about Don information making a mistake in his drawings???

You explained the part AFTER you successfully build a test setup, how you did that is still a mystery...any more technical details would be helping a lot.

~webmug

Quote from Webmug on October 24th, 2016, 02:59 AM

Thanks Ronnie for sharing your information!  :thumbsup:

My thoughts are exactly the same, but I think you’re after the "Resonance" in the tubes to enhance (particle) molecular movements.

I posted a couple of days ago a question about the tube dimensions having the same area’s and coincidentally balance them :-)
You wrote "Question is do you want a balance?", will you explain?

If you re-read the techbrief you also would know Meyer air-gap for the tube was 0.0625”.

So why nobody posted comments about Don information making a mistake in his drawings???

You explained the part AFTER you successfully build a test setup, how you did that is still a mystery...any more technical details would be helping a lot.

~webmug

Let me answer this way! If I cut a piece of 75 ohm coaxial cable to three inches long knowing it had a smaller wire than the outer shield. would it not have a capacitance value due to the dielectric between them? If you work the formulas out witch consist of guss's law and others you will see how it has a 75 ohm value. Same thing applies to the cell, which Stan says a value of 78.54 ohms. Do the math, work things out to better understand it.

This part I don't understand:
Quote from gpssonar on October 16, 01:56:04 PM

    I went and got one of my cells that I use and here are the measurements.... outer tube inner Dia=.648    inner rod Dia=.5  Gap=.074
     He must have not got his information right on that website. Sorry I gave you that link to misleading information. I'm still a little puzzled about the balance part you posted. Please explain!

You explained the part AFTER you successfully build a test setup, how you did that is still a mystery...any more technical details would be helping a lot.


I have several extra cell's that I made for other fuel cells that use the same cells is how I was able to go to the garage and get them out of a box I had them in and measure them. Other than that I have no idea what you mean in that statement. I'm lost......


As for not being able to edit post here. I can move this thread out of my bench and even the guest can see it and you will be able to edit your post. I have no problem with it at all. Just let me know if you want it move and I will see that it gets moved either by me or a moderator.

Can you tell us anything about impedance matching and any particular ratio's or ground rules to follow?

Quote from nav on October 24th, 2016, 08:19 AM

Can you tell us anything about impedance matching and any particular ratio's or ground rules to follow?

Yes Nav, I will be putting something together as far as photo's and formulas that will explain it better than off the top of my head.
Hopefully It will help everyone.
If anyone has experience in this, feel free to help others while I put something together.

Quote from Matt Watts on October 24th, 2016, 05:28 AM

There is a comment about this very subject.   My recommendation is that we listen to Ronnie and do things as he has figured them out.  If five of us or so get something to work, we can all show videos the same day, the same hour, then compare notes.

My point is, it is a complete honor to have a man still alive to help us through this journey.  Please do not pressure him to show his goose laying the golden egg.  That's not what he is here for.  He's here to show us how to raise geese with similar qualities as his.  Please do respect this.  The title of this thread is "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works", not "Showing a Working Stan Meyers Water Fuel Cell."  A big difference.

So please gentlemen work together, ask pertinent questions and build something you are proud of.  I'm sure at some point when Ronnie feels enough people are finally "getting it", he'll be happy to show his work in comparison to ours.  It's a win-win situation at that point.

Trust me, when I'm there, I'll be happy to assist others as well and will show what I'm doing and how I'm doing it.  We have to do this together though as a group effort, not as individuals seeking some sort of spotlight.  Please, put yourself in Ronnie's shoes and think about things from his point of view, then ask yourself, what would you would do?

as my standards are set...

if you feed a starving man fish, he will be good for a day then be hungry again, Bus if you TEACH a man to fish, he will never be hungry again. AND he can teach others to fish!!

what Ronnie is doing TEACHING us what he knows. there is no reason for anyone to expect anything else. and if you do, you are in the wrong place.

Ronnie already told us over and over that he is not the best teacher. an there for we must use patients, and give ronnie the time and space needed to explain such a project.

Trust me, there is no one " key" to getting this to work. its all about understanding each step in the process. I would advise Ronnie take some time to wright a simple step by step procedure list to just "tuning"
then one for "coil constriction" including the known math.
then one for "cell design"

this will help us all UNDERSTAND what is needed to achieve the "simple task " of making gas.

what im saying is there is 100 ways to skin a cat, you can use manny types of wire, there is no right or wrong type. ( with in a set of parameters)

this is the same for the cell and for all the parameters.
 we all know that building something EXACTLY as Stan did still will NOT give you results. this is due to the nature of understanding whats going on before you can get something to work.

any how, i think we all get this idea of being taught, not told,  and its been said by many already, so ill leave it be.

there WILL be home work required!!! and we can help each other get the correct answers! ( with our teacher looking over us)

Quote from gpssonar on October 24th, 2016, 08:15 AM

As for not being able to edit post here. I can move this thread out of my bench and even the guest can see it and you will be able to edit your post. I have no problem with it at all. Just let me know if you want it move and I will see that it gets moved either by me or a moderator.

to the standards of OSE i like this idea a lot.

say the words and ill move it to a new home...

~Russ

Russ i feel if one person has an issue with it being in my bench, that is enough for me to have it moved. So if you would, before it becomes a bigger problem Please move it out of my bench. I don't want anyone to think I have control over what is said or what goes on in this thread. I know it is a problem myself not being able to edit my post in other bench's, It's just nice to be able to go back and correct spelling and such.
Thanks,
gpssonar

ok, for now i think its best if this is here, if some trouble arises from users DO NOT HESITATE TO TELL ME ASAP so we can do somthing about it.

some times i go a day or 2 with out being able to see what happens here. so Skype or cell me... ASAP

Everyone should be able to edit there posts now.
~Russ

Quote from Matt Watts on October 24th, 2016, 05:28 AM

There is a comment about this very subject.   My recommendation is that we listen to Ronnie and do things as he has figured them out.  If five of us or so get something to work, we can all show videos the same day, the same hour, then compare notes.

My point is, it is a complete honor to have a man still alive to help us through this journey.  Please do not pressure him to show his goose laying the golden egg.  That's not what he is here for.  He's here to show us how to raise geese with similar qualities as his.  Please do respect this.  The title of this thread is "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works", not "Showing a Working Stan Meyers Water Fuel Cell."  A big difference.

So please gentlemen work together, ask pertinent questions and build something you are proud of.  I'm sure at some point when Ronnie feels enough people are finally "getting it", he'll be happy to show his work in comparison to ours.  It's a win-win situation at that point.

Trust me, when I'm there, I'll be happy to assist others as well and will show what I'm doing and how I'm doing it.  We have to do this together though as a group effort, not as individuals seeking some sort of spotlight.  Please, put yourself in Ronnie's shoes and think about things from his point of view, then ask yourself, what would you would do?

I dont know what it can offend or be bad, Max Miller doesnt like the question "what is your MMW of your cell?" Is like someone getting pissed when another tries to tell the truth behind the Santa Claus story.

Im not doubting about Ronnie, but that mistery makes me thing a little bit.

I apologize to everyone that can felt offended and I will add this question to my black list.

Thanks Russ, it just takes me out of the loop of control of peoples post. I want everyone to feel comfortable posting here.