Quote from Matt Watts on March 21st, 2017, 02:05 PM

It's going to be up there yes Webmug.  These waves move at Pi/2 * C, but how they actually form what appears to be standing waves is outside my comprehension at the moment.  The Tesla Hairpin or Stout Bars experiment shows us fairly distant nodes.  Taking this design and modifying it to look like Stan's VIC will probably give us the node spacing we are after.  First we need a method to measure, then an apparatus to measure and lastly begin changing variables to shorten the node length down to the gap size.  I'm working on a PLL controlled, capacitive discharge driven coil system at the moment in hopes I can see and relate to everyone what I think is going on here.  I'm really hoping to discover this process is fairly simple and straightforward in principal even if the implementation is more difficult than I thought.  Once we all know what to do, then we can each work on a method of how to do it.  If this takes us back to how Stan did it, so be it, that's actually the best answer.  The goal here is in the title:

"Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"

Something interesting: http://www.resonantfractals.org/PCC/Dipole.html

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Since one of the tubes in the cell is smaller in dimension, one of the coils must be made adjustable to balance this, and keep the voltage nodes on the tubes.
 It should also be noted that in electromagnetic work while the electron current and magnetic field rise very slowly in coils with high capacitance,
 the voltage or electric field can operates near light velocities in a coil with no or very low capacitance.
 
 If the wires are the same length, on both sides, the wave front will arrive at both tubes simultaneously. The water will receive the radiant energy pulse.
 Distilled water has a velocity factor of [0.11] talk about slowing down the radiant energy wave!
 186,000 * .11 =  20,460 miles per second!
 With this in mind we now examine a well known circuit in the alternate energy circles.

If someone can tell me were to find or calculate the velocity factor of water (rain)

Some thoughts calculating this to coil lengths: for a coil @14kHz SRF (resonance)
20460 / 14000 miles second to meters second = 2351.9413 meters second
2351.9413 / 4 = 587.985325m wire length quarter wave.

...maybe there is a relation?

Injector VIC choke 715ft = 217.93m , wavelength =1376.57kHz
Injector VIC secondary 26000ft = 7924.8m, wavelength=37.85kHz

This should be a TEM wave but the LMD wave is always present  in very low quantity between the coil wires etc. but its there at SRF (self-inductance, self-capacitance)? According to Erik Dollard.

~webmug

Quote from Webmug on April 3rd, 2017, 07:20 AM

Something interesting: http://www.resonantfractals.org/PCC/Dipole.html
If someone can tell me were to find or calculate the velocity factor of water (rain)

Some thoughts calculating this to coil lengths: for a coil @14kHz SRF (resonance)
20460 / 14000 miles second to meters second = 2351.9413 meters second
2351.9413 / 4 = 587.985325m wire length quarter wave.

...maybe there is a relation?

Injector VIC choke 715ft = 217.93m , wavelength =1376.57kHz
Injector VIC secondary 26000ft = 7924.8m, wavelength=37.85kHz

This should be a TEM wave but the LMD wave is always present  in very low quantity between the coil wires etc. but its there at SRF (self-inductance, self-capacitance)? According to Erik Dollard.

~webmug

That would put the wavelength for the secondary on the popular 5 coil VIC at 1200m, a quarter wave being 300m and the resonant frequency would be 250Khz. But inductors of this nature will self resonate in phase when pulsed with a sub harmonic of the 4th degree or even further.
You also have to account for the colinear effect of three series resonant occilators in the same circuit where the wavelength may be additive, in which case a quarter wave would be 900m and the total incident wave of 3600m, which is 83khz. That sounds more in the ball park for us because we can easily hit that frequency with a sub harmonic.
But take note of what Dollard says because Tesla hit upon the same thing. Inductors like to be short circuited and capacitors like to be open circuited, if you place a capacitor in the self induction loop of a inductor or place an inductor in the self capacitance loop of capacitor, both actions go against what each component wants to do and you force the circuit into subspace where normal rules don't apply, we see that the dielectric componant manifests itself away from the self inductance and vice versa, both taking short cuts in the process.

Quote from ~Russ on February 27th, 2017, 03:44 PM

I was able through friends and favors to get 2 new sets of Flat VIC cores to test,

attached is the PDF's of each material type.

 more testing and coil wrapping in due time...

~Russ

Maybe you can also post a measurement of the inductances with those cores.

http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1961.msg29772#msg29772 (last three attachments)

~webmug

I can do that, and will do that, once i get my coils done ill take measurements for all of them!

i will add them to my on going spreed sheet

~Russ

I haven't worked on the WFC or been on  the forums for a while now.

Looks like things have slowed down.

Was there ever a consensus made on whether all coils have to be on the same core?

I thought that Ronnie had his chokes on a seperate core but after a couple hundred hours of testing I gave up. I bought a large U core to build a VIC that can have all coils in the same core, but in order to do it I had to change some things in the design, so I never built it. R

Since then I've been working other hobbies.

Quote from HMS-776 on April 11th, 2017, 05:59 PM

I haven't worked on the WFC or been on  the forums for a while now.

Looks like things have slowed down.

Was there ever a consensus made on whether all coils have to be on the same core?

I thought that Ronnie had his chokes on a seperate core but after a couple hundred hours of testing I gave up. I bought a large U core to build a VIC that can have all coils in the same core, but in order to do it I had to change some things in the design, so I never built it. R

Since then I've been working other hobbies.

We all know this WFC "hobby" takes a lot of our time but we eventually will solve this. Dont give up!!


You mentioned you had calculated your VIC to match the WFC...if you want to share your latest notes maybe we can take a look at it...


It may look like things have slowed down at the moment but we need to take little steps to understand the WFC mode of operation practical and theoretical way.


You may know that my focus is on the 5 coils, flat U-core VIC and 10 series WFC array. Im not going offtrack redesigning the VIC and WFC but keeping it ontrack using the known specs from Dynodon and from the TB.


Dont give up yet!


~webmug

Look at the hairpin thread, some progress on there.

Quote from nav on April 12th, 2017, 08:43 AM

Look at the hairpin thread, some progress on there.

That thread is totally not following Meyers TB.
Good luck!


~webmug

one day at a time. it seems we all only have so much time.

i'm still in it to win it... just doing what i can when i can one day at time...

yes, do share any notes, we might be able to get something done...

we keep sharing and teaching we will get there.

I still have faith!
~Russ

I'll look through my notes from where I left off a few months back and explain what my next vic plans were.

I do remember that I bought a large powdered iron U core with a low AL value, I designed a vic using a different wire size that would give me similar turns ratios and resistances.

Not sure how much wfc work I'll do this summer as I've got summertime hobbies that keep me outside for the most part....Maybe I should build a table on wheels so I can take my wfc work outside lol?

Hello Brad.
Where can I find those type of iron powder cores?

thank you.

Quote from Webmug on April 12th, 2017, 09:43 AM

That thread is totally not following Meyers TB.
Good luck!


~webmug

I think you'll find it's more related than you think it is.

Micrometals has powdered iron cores.

Not sure if they'll work though as powdered iron does not have as wide a bandwidth as ferrite.

I know Stan had those cores made for a reason, but as we all know they are very brittle not to mention impossible to buy off the shelf.

Micrometals dose not have any cores that look like they will work.

Kinda sad after 2 years there is not a standard core we can use... No wonder no one is here.

If we are going to use a single gaped core we all need to use the same one.
There was one a few months ago that looked good..... (Thanks X-blade The U60x55x15 C core looks like a good core)
Not to fat and lots of space.

If GPS says it will work we should all get one.....

Helo GPS........

..... Dan .........

This explains what stan meyer is trying to accomplish. charging steam so it can be ignited.

From tesla3.com

However before we discuss Cavity QED, we first need to examine history. In 1840, Lord Armstrong observed that when steam escaped from boilers an electrical charge was produced. This phenomenon was termed steam electricity. Faraday conducted extensive research into the phenomenon at the time. That was that for about 120 years, then in 1969, interest in steam electricity was renewed because of explosions caused by the ignition of vapors during the washing of oiler tankers with steam jets. Steam electricity is supposedly explained by the bubbles nucleated in the boiling of water droplets, behaving like resonant quantum electrodynamic (QED) cavities. During bubble growth as the bubble cavity resonance coincides with vacuum ultraviolet frequencies, the water molecules on the bubble walls dissociate by cavity QED into hydronium H3O+ and hydroxyl OH- ions. Available hydronium ions are repulsed from the positive charged bubble surface and tend to the center of the bubble forming a positive charged vapor; whereas, the available hydroxyl ions are attracted to the bubble surface. Bursting of the bubbles at the surface of the droplet produces positive charge steam and negative charged droplets. Scientists at the time figured out that the explosions only occurred when pure water was used in the steam jets. By adding a little olive oil to the water, they altered the PH and the steam could no longer hold a charge, so the explosions stopped occurring. In theory, if it’s good enough for blowing up ships, it should be good enough for running an engine. Steam electrification caused by the separation of hydronium and hydroxyl ions in bubbles is commonly observed in atmospheric electricity, thundercloud electrification, waterfall electricity and the Leidenfrost phenomenon.

Interesting post ,

But what if we know how to release gas and we now want to dissolve it back in to make water fuel?
  what if water was cold.............
 what if is held a charge...........,
  what if the Ph went up and the surface tension increased...................
  what if nano bubbles stayed in the water..............

Quote from X-Blade on February 27th, 2017, 04:58 PM

Power Magnetics sells cheap ones from cosmo ferrites CF138 equivalent to 3C90 material.
I got a pair of them:



http://powermagnetics.co.uk/pace-components/ferrite-cores/u-cores/u60x55x15-cf138

If somebody interested, I can provide the coil former STL file.

hi where did you find the plastic bobbin ?

Quote from nav on October 31st, 2016, 09:39 AM

Listen to what stan says at 15:38 into the video. He says he's using the magnetic fields of the 2 chokes to restrict amp flow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaB5ME8kFGU

NAV
Re This  IN one of Joe Cells Videos he says he makes the charges in the cell  go 90 degrees
 to pull apart water molecule but using neutral tube between + - tubes  as the resistance. 
it makes the charge go sideways in the cell  , stan says very similar but most would not understand it with out comparing
 to joes comment at start of this video.  16 Years Stills learning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wps3UBSXJsU&t=6s

Quote from nav on October 31st, 2016, 10:38 AM

I have absolutely no idea what that means but Stan definately says at 15:38 and i'll quote him word for word 'were allowing/using the electromagnetic fields of the 2 coils, the resonant charging coils to restrict the amp flow'
Now, seeing as there is no other apparatus connected to the VIC than the cell then I'm assuming it has to mean the cell.

have to finish his sentence and then magnetic fields are than 90 degrees to allow water to be pulled apart

In Stan's New Zealand video he does say he is using the magnetic field in chokes to restrict amps but makes it clear that water fuel cells only works because the cell material stainless steal is not magnetic.  He says he is using Coulomb's law to pull apart water using voltage.

When he talks about EPG system he talks about magnetic field in non magnetic tube coil.  What I think is interesting is that he implies method being used to create oxygen at higher energy state can be used to used to created  the magnetic gas used in the EPG system. When asked how to created iron ion he sort of avoids the question but does say it can be done but that magnetic gas could be oxygen and one of the other metals he mentions or a combination of them.  He then goes on to talk about using laser to change energy state of this gas to generate a magnetic field in this gas by changing energy state similar to what he is doing to the gas from water fuel cell.

I got the impress when I was looking at Joe Cell years ago that he was using a different method.  In Joe cell it appears tuning the cell was key.  I always wondered if Joe may have perfect pitch so he could hear when cell were properly tuned.

 

Quote from Earl on July 18th, 2020, 09:49 AM

In Stan's New Zealand video he does say he is using the magnetic field in chokes to restrict amps but makes it clear that water fuel cells only works because the cell material stainless steal is not magnetic.  He says he is using Coulomb's law to pull apart water using voltage.

When he talks about EPG system he talks about magnetic field in non magnetic tube coil.  What I think is interesting is that he implies method being used to create oxygen at higher energy state can be used to used to created  the magnetic gas used in the EPG system. When asked how to created iron ion he sort of avoids the question but does say it can be done but that magnetic gas could be oxygen and one of the other metals he mentions or a combination of them.  He then goes on to talk about using laser to change energy state of this gas to generate a magnetic field in this gas by changing energy state similar to what he is doing to the gas from water fuel cell.

I got the impress when I was looking at Joe Cell years ago that he was using a different method.  In Joe cell it appears tuning the cell was key.  I always wondered if Joe may have perfect pitch so he could hear when cell were properly tuned.

Joe States in that series 1 2 and 3 of videos that he changes the magnetic angle of the
voltage to go out side ways to directly pull gases apart rather than voltage going straight though cell.

Stan Also States similar Stan uses the coils and resistance to change the magnetic effect
to pull apart water molecule it is a little point but one that allows us to see why
 if you get it wrong voltage goes through the tubes with out making gas.
Joe make his resistance a neutral tube and poor mans Bifilar coil  or ballast or choke

The State of Static Charge
and the Alignment of the gases in that state of charge is a skill , a skill of the art,
 once you know it  becomes a reflex.  and world unlocks

Skin effect in the EPG is a Factor it makes and holds so much power
it is truly star trek level art of covenant type level  1
Of such it causes internal Ionization state to be perpetual.

So What does this mean ?

180 degree is  a reverse
 = peppered through forum and world is The chokes are fed with the same resonance frequency (voltage, current) but as we know the negative choke 2, is 180 deg out of phase

90 degree is a turn
So we can all kindly check  remove the choke put in a neutral tube and do what joe suggested to make a choke with a restive tube to send our magnetism side ways in the cell as it travels up cell  except we drive with vic

also consider what 90 degree means
I welcome comments on this as it is a very interesting subject on how the field works on the water molecule  in the cell

Note we can flip choke around like tops but if they are not making 90  magnetism
in cell no  gas production will occur.

Video position 27.10  https://youtu.be/EDY4a9f8syE   

DD

Marx Generator is very interesting
to compare to lmd transformer and WFC


check doc attracted electromagnetic enviro doc marx generator and compare to wfc and lmd cap resistor dfdiagram

Adding this document  the skill of getting the magnetic direction correct has been explained by ronnie and joe

now one has made a video showing the tuning of vic with a compass yet  correctly

Document re posted again for review  with note