OK folks, here are some measurements of impedance for 3-12 strands in continues series connection. 1-2 strands have no low freq. resonant peaks.
Other characteristics are:
Length = l = 18 meter including 20 cm connection stubs
wire diameter d = 0.56mm
Single wire resistance at DC = Rdc=1.02 ohms
Inductance and resistance measured at 120Hz, 1 KHz, 10kHz and 100Khz are:
Lx=(73.15, 72.40, 71.42, 70.17) uH
Rx=(1.03, 1.03, 1.06, 1.86) ohms
Notice how the skin effect is small until above 10 KHz
Inter-strand capacitance = Cxy = 1.24nF-1.48nF
A plot of the capacitance matrix may follow later.

Quote from Viking on June 27th, 2016, 06:03 PM

Can you sketch how the wire strands are supposed to be hooked up ?
Can you sketch how a DC pulse should look like to drive the coil properly ?
Do you sketch how the magnetic fields look like around the coil ?
Do you have any calculations regarding this coil ?

I will be able to show you more about the real marko device. Stl files and a build by a fellow researcher and a member of this forum.

 The magnetic fields I can not sketch yet. We are working on a model for the Marko coil not the 007 model.. I would think the plasma insode of the coil would be a twisted torus. The magnetic field should follow the plasma right? Since the plasma is dynamic in density the magnetic field would be in the plasma form. the plasma would change density and the torus would increase and decrease or puff up and deflate.

 Again the wiring should be for the rodin coil just like it is on the torus diagram. with spaces on both sides of each wrap pair. On the 007 coil I have no friken clue about the wiring.  With Impulse current the timing is controlled by the magnetic spark gap and anything after that gap should be statically shielded with segments to match the amount of impulses per second. I recommend shielding the gap as well to reduce interference to surrounding devices. You can ground shielding of pre gap wires using a cap or choke to reduce feedback.

 We would have to do experiments to provide calculations and math first for the Rodin coil. This is kind of a blind alley really... more will follow when we get a prototype up and running first. Then tackle the data we observe. This thing is a motivator meaning it might move during the test. So we should be prepared for that.

 You asked about the dc pulse. Well the smaller the current the better the results. Meaning the pulse width should be of relatively small area. Of course this means 20k Plus pulses that do not go below the zero line. Please make sure you do not go below the line. You might get some results for a bit but I'm betting it would have negative effects. Naturally this means the voltage will be higher initially but safer in the long run.

 Really I would rather wait for further talk about this till we start testing. One of the guys I talked to about this did a test of the process as best as he could understand it. It shows the effects of a field of this in all things especially the noise it produces in recording equipment. Thats why the need for shielding after the magnetic gap.

 Here is a video of the impulser.

 Don't pay attention to his talking. Just forward to the device he shows.
You can forward to 23:00 and go from there
 Pay attention to the spark gap. The last gap has the magnetic poles across the gap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uwqnN596VM

 The reason why he was getting ozone is because he hooked the bulb before the Gap which is RF. That is what he misunderstood.

 Remember the effect of the current staying the same but the Voltage increases when you add a load like the tubes he had. Also he magnetised the chest below the system lolz. Another effect of no shielding...

 Also please check the end of the show here. He shows you the inside of a power transformer. Very interesting stuff... Most of the current comes from the third leg(Ground) on the pole the other end is the hot after the AC coil. This draws the current from the ground into the house and oscillates it back and forth from the high voltage and very low current on the pole. Yes it does convert a small amount from the transformer but a majority of the current comes from the ground itself like a huge capacitor.

 In Tesla's version it doesn't have to have a real ground and it a pressurized globe of plasma that forms all around the device if you shield the wires with reflectors which keep it compressed. The capacitance of the top load of his tower was an electrode to gather the plasma.

More work to do and be done. But for now here is the LED bulb broke down.

Could not get it to light with 60dc. That is just the LED strip I mean.

Ok. More later. Just no time.

:;-)

All LED strips are in parrall. There is something like 28 less in series on each strip.

~Russ

Impedance maps look NICE. I will be doing the same but in more depth with coil configurations. Geese not enough time.

OK folks, here are inductance and resistance mesurements. Note how the inductance is only proportional to N² (N actually being 23 turns each) in the beginning, after that it increases more linearly. Raw data is in the attached m-file (textfile for MATLAB).

Also included a screenshot of the LED bulb (which is apparently LED's stringed together) I, U characteristic. It's definitely non-linear and an ohmic approximation. Little harmonic noise generators in fact.. huh.. wonder if they pass any of the EU or US regulations..
In the scope shot, Orange is bulb voltage and cyan is the current with 1V=1A (used a 1ohm resistor in series).

Just checking the thing that happened during the 007 demo where the traces on the scope looked weird. Most propably it was the bad ground connection on the yellow channel, which made the trace itself and the current trace jitter from 50 Hz overlay.
Made a matlab script to emulate that situation. Enclosed are pics. Can anyone take an analytical look at the picture and give some feedback please.

looks like a great bunch of data. im kicking myself now for not numbering my strands!
i dont know about the scope jitter....i get that kind of thing on my cheap-o handheld all the time. the offset is interesting though, and looks similar to some of the loaded signals ive played with.

Does anyone have access to a network analyzer that can do a full spectrum measurement of the coil ?
There must be two inherent resonant frequencies of this coil:
1. From distributed inductance and inter-strand capacitance => low resonant freq - see prev. posts
2. From distributed inductance and capacitance in winding gap space => high resonant freq.
Or if anyone want's to facilitate access to a network analyser it would be helpfull to the progress,
My opinion is that standing wave situations can be created under the right circumstances that reduces lenz's law and extracts energy from the vaccum, possibly via an extra oscillating magnetic field, that via (normal) induction transfers the power into the load.
Those circumstances could be something with the segments of the coil going into synchronization because of the loose coupling between them.
They each have their chracteristic frequency, but since they are relative equal, they can go into sympathetic oscillation and create a much stronger coherent magnetic field.
In fact you can hear the coils sound vibration change in intensity at specific frequencies...

Sympathetic oscillations video:

https://youtu.be/YG5hP5_oNIc

OK folks, here are some data from reviewing the 007 video:
Solar charger configuration:
Coil input voltage: 46.5V
Coil input current: 0.85 A
Coil output voltage: 216.2V
Coil output current: 0.9 A
Coil input frequency: 1.306 kHz
Output capacitor: 2.5uF
Coil currents and output voltage frequency: 4 kHz
Solar charger input voltage: 20.3V
Solar charger battery charge current: 10.5A
Solar charger input power: 150W
Solar charger battery voltage: 14.5V

LED "filament" lamp demo:
Coil input voltage (analog meter): 38 V
Coil input voltage (digital meter): 37.31 V
Coil input current (analog meter): 1.25A
Coil input current (scope): 1.12 A
Coil output voltage (analog meter): 110V
Coil output voltage (digital meter): 109.8V
Coil output voltage (scope): 110V
Coil output current (analog meter): 1.25A
Coil output current (scope): 1.15A
Phase between voltage and current: Volt 90 degrees ahead of current = > 100% reactive

007 says that input and output is on the same wire => input current = output current because the wires are in series
Currents and output voltage is 3x input frequency with the input a square wave (probably using 2nd harmonic, (3x freq) )

NOTE that current measured on the output seems NOT to be the current to the bulbs but something else.. could be current to the capacitor - not sure.
Possibly there is a 3-way connection because the bulbs draws about 0.5A and the current on the scope shows 1A 100% sinewave shaped (current from bulbs are square wave 25% duty). See enclosed pictures.
By the way. The 230V bulbs turn on only at 150V. So with 110V they must be US LED bulbs. It's kind of out of the question to put the bulbs in series, because the voltage would be too low (55V)

nice work. I'll have to go over that info in more detail.

Just spent way to Manny hrs doing impedance mesurments.

I'll put the data together tomorrow. But basically I found some really intresting things leaving an open ended coil. Or even a Loop input. Via keeping the input non eletricaly connected I got high peeks around the 1.9khz Mark.

Some photos here.

Live feed will also be posted.

Oh sleep please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HtM9Y_vNHI

Acidbyte could you model the 007 design in 3d please including the wire bundles. Then i will draw over it what i think is going on in this coil...

 If you could show top down and angled view from the side it would be appreciated... Also a half slice of the 3d model. I would also need a single wire bundle example of the shape it gets from the form so i can describe the process that shapes the plasma.. If it looks nuts then ok but it might help you figure this out a bit to see it from my side.Just hear me out, you never know..

OK folks here are the capacitance measurements betwen the different strands and a plot of it. Didn't try to sort them to see what strand are closest to what other strand. The cable is wound with strand 1-24 in a circular way, although I think I screwed up the positioning somewhere.. :-o

nice work viking.
 my measurements I'm going to confirm are correct by checking the analog Z analyzer. 

but for now here is a measurement of L1 and L2 in series but isolated. then the L3 and L4 shorted. but i went through a bunch of things not sure if something was funny or working correct so will see. more testing to be done.

photo

it seemed that open or shorted on L3 and L4 did not change much, polarize ( bipolar) did not change much and even as a " loop" on L1 and L2 did not madder to much... kinda interesting. more to test before I'm convened . could be a measurement fluke 

~Russ

 Or maybe the core is self adjusting? And yes it could always be a measuring fluke.. But if it is repeatable I don't know how that it could be a measure issue...

 I saw on the network analyzer something about enabling a theory? Whats that about?

 Would we be able to put Rodin's math into the analyzer?

Well some tests show that when exiting the coil, a strong magnetic field is created in the center of the coil. This induces 5-6 volts in a 100 winding coil on a ferrite bar. This can in turn drive 1A through a 12V 21W bulb (6.9 ohms when fully lit). It can also couple to another vortex coil with much the same characteristics if a 10mm (0.4") ferrite bar is placed (suspended) symmetrically in the centers of the coil - thus coupling them together magnetically.
Power measurements follow, but current has a tendency to drop when loading the coil with the bulb.

jbignes5,

why did you tell us/me you spoke to marko over the phone and say that he confirmed your design?
i had contact with marko by email.
he tells me its wrong.
if you had just being honest about it i would have helped you with the design.
but i aint the person helping people who make false statements just to get their design made and tested.

im sorry i have to tell here.
cause i think the open source community deserves to know about this.

Jeroen.

Quote from Viking on July 4th, 2016, 02:55 PM

Well some tests show that when exiting the coil, a strong magnetic field is created in the center of the coil. This induces 5-6 volts in a 100 winding coil on a ferrite bar. This can in turn drive 1A through a 12V 21W bulb (6.9 ohms when fully lit). It can also couple to another vortex coil with much the same characteristics if a 10mm (0.4") ferrite bar is placed (suspended) symmetrically in the centers of the coil - thus coupling them together magnetically.
Power measurements follow, but current has a tendency to drop when loading the coil with the bulb.

its just a suggestion but maybe cone shaped spiral as pickup coils would work.?
spiral cone coils are on my bucked list so i think i will give it a shot and share the results.

Quote from AcidByte on July 4th, 2016, 03:24 PM

jbignes5,

why did you tell us/me you spoke to marko over the phone and say that he confirmed your design?
i had contact with marko by email.
he tells me its wrong.
if you had just being honest about it i would have helped you with the design.
but i aint the person helping people who make false statements just to get their design made and tested.

im sorry i have to tell here.
cause i think the open source community deserves to know about this.

Jeroen.

Listen I talked with Marko on the phone. The phone call I had with him was at best in a hurry since he was in "Survival mode". The first thing we discussed was how the math relates to the plasma. I told him I have a design and started to try and confirm with him if he thought it would work. He declined and told me he didn't know about that aspect. But I continued to chat about how I saw it working with the addition of the plasma condensed inside of the coil and that I saw it as a plasma propeller. I didn't get to go into the whole conversation because he said he didn't have the expertise, that is why he turned me to Russ. How can he know what the design is if he said quite clearly HE DIDN'T have the expertise. If he knows how the coil should be then why are we here trying to figure that out? It's a lie! Of course the design of mine is not like he envisioned it because he wanted to use PLASMA all by itself and a variable width conductor versions. I never said he verified my design, what he verified was the information I was using to come to that conclusion. If I led you to believe that I showed him the design and he approved, well that was not what I said or meant. I clearly said he verified the information that led me to the coils design that I had been working on many many years ago. Every question I asked him was the verification of the plasma and the shape of the plasma within the coil.
 Listen Marko is a bit out there, my call was to verify my information and to tell you the truth at least about electronics he sounded a bit vague. When I pressed him on verifying this version or even my version he couldn't even say anything and would only refer to Russ for that. Next he spouted about NDA's and promised cash that wasn't delivered. I did not lie. I did talk to him and I tried to get him to focus on this design for which he was more worried about his "Survival mode" instead of chatting any further.
 Again the verification was about the plasma and the torus mapping. In the first place where did you get his email? I was forced to contact him through skype and that was the only way he would respond.  Plus unless you actually talk to Marko I wouldn't believe it is him. Especially an email.. That is why I phoned him instead of emailing an address that I could not verify as Marko himself.

 Ok I get it.. This is my last comment and then it is back to me doing the work alone. Ever since I registered here all I have gotten is guff from you guys. I get it. It's not open source you are after here, it is not about working the math and angles. It isn't fair play and even a modicum of safety in mind for the people who read these pages and might not know the dangers. It seems to me this is a game of come to our pay for events and the rest is lip service with your hands out. Do as you will. Encourage people to work on things that they have no idea about and the long term effects of being exposed to RF currents. Go ahead.

 PS when I tried to go into the impulse portion he clammed up and then the NDA bs came out. Obviously he doesn't know a thing about electronics or coils. In every coil that I have know about in electronic there is a core. Even in an air core there is an air core except the air has a set permeability, especially with low level voltages. That is my basis for thinking that the plasma can be attracted to the center of said coil from the air and condensed inside of the coil but you will never see it with AC or RF currents because AC is powered in the + and in the - direction and crosses the center line so there will be no condensing of the plasma in a meaningful way.

 Maybe I'm onto something and he knows it, maybe he is a lunatic and we all got played but What I shared with you was the truth.

 AGAIN if you don't understand electronics and must go to someone like Russ then how does he know it's wrong? You know before this I was thinking this guy was a genius, but now you have shown me he is not and is a complete fake looking to make a buck to survive on. I was actually sticking up for him and gave him the benefit of the doubt.

 In the first place let me inform the community about your comments that you think this is NOT an open source community at all. As long as we are being honest. I valued your help and if you came to me with this I would have told you where you went wrong in your assumption that I said he verified my design. I believe I clearly stated he verified my ideas about the process. For which every answer was "you are preaching to the choir.". So My point would be this. If I was onto it and me and him talked about it would it violate the nda's he had?

 You told me you agreed with me about my post about being treated like this wasn't open source and then got me to accept you on facebook. I will be removing that. As for your admission about getting an email from Marko, well he was surprised I got in touch with him on the phone and that makes me wonder about the emails origin or if it is plainly a LIE.

 As for everyone else who actually listened well Good luck to you and if you have no idea about RF energy then stay out of the kitchen.

The world is indeed a strange place.But thanks jbignes5 for sharing the info on your conversation with Marko.
At some point I will make that 3D section model of the coil (or any similar type of coil for that matter). It can shed light on the exact geometry, the coil parameters and perhap the EM field shape of it. Definitely it should be possible to at least calculate the DC magnetic field where it does not have an electric field (well that's until you move it right and left, then it suddenly appears ;) ).
Meanwhile, I have updated the message with the input and "output" measurements in the 007 demo for the case of the lightbulbs.
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37493#msg37493

things can bet a bit off track so ill jsut posting this to clear up any miss conceptions.

just so everyone knows, I'm all about open source and sharing and learning and teaching...

so all the back and forth is harsh for me, this is kinda why i m just sitting back and watching the chat. its hard for me to make judgment calls on what i don't know..

all i know is that I'm working on a replication of 007's coil... and i don't have all the answers...  i have posted all i know and here we work on this coil... as a group, and as people trying to do something good...

nuff said,

~Russ

back to work,