Quote from Vortex Joe on August 10th, 2016, 12:42 PM

Hey Lynx, have you seen  skycollection on you tube? He uses a bifilar pancake coil to loop back and charge the supercaps that are driving the circuit. That's the ticket, the only problem is the output of the Rodin coil has such high voltage and the super caps are very low... 2.4 or so I believe. High frequency transformer? I have ordered a bank of em in series so I'll have 12v to play with. Also ordered a square wave generator that works @ 12v Hmmmmm there must be a way!

Nobody wants to break any rules.... Just bend them a little

I like where this is going :thumbsup2:

I checked out Skycollection on Youtube and if it's the right one he has a few clips of Russ and also of various coils, etc (Eric Schildt, is that correct?).

Charging supercaps does take quite the current initially, so when they're totally discharged they will act more or less like short circuits, so don't be too surprised if you find the DC voltage to be zero for quite some time measured right after the diode bridge feeding the caps.
Also, keep in mind that the resulting capacitance from capacitors connected in series will decrease, all according to the standard way of calculating capacitance, such as found here http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-13/series-and-parallel-capacitors/

On the other hand you will increase the voltage the cap bank will be able to withstand when you connect caps in series, so there's, sort of speaking, a win win situation that way as you both decrease the resulting capacitance, leading to lower overall charging current for the cap bank, while you at the same time increase the voltage it could be subjected to.

Should you feel the need to limit the cap charging current then a simple power resistor would do just fine, then you could perhaps even find a way to use the excessive heat developed in the resistor due to the relative high cap charging current, instead of having it going to waste ;-)

hello to all wire twisters
in regards to 'looping back to source'......i have noticed this coil has no problems when you rectify L2 and run it back directly to the source battery. this was observed while driving L1 with a simple square wave / IGBT circuit.

i took a look back through my live recordings and cant find a circuit drawing, but i did go through the tests roughly here  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHsnMFhEVk  (check timestamps, there is a lot of filler in there). ive since wired up the coil a lot cleaner and will have to find the time to make a better vid showing the output going to a second battery, or returning to the source. most coil/oscillator setups ive played with dont react very well when you try that   ;)     

anyways, here is a rough sketch.

Quote from jeremy gwilt on August 11th, 2016, 06:59 AM

anyways, here is a rough sketch.

I would have added atleast a, say, 1000 µF / 350 V cap, or something like that, directly after the rectifier bridge, just to accumulate some Ampere seconds worth of charge for the sake of compensating for voltage drops when the voltage over the second coil is at zero, that way the loop back voltage wouldn't drop all that much during zero crossings etc.

Well after a little break.

This happens.

https://youtu.be/vAlUSHJaHAk

That leads to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ4maMtiTuk

And finally This.

https://youtu.be/Df5CWQ44zgA

The last one is the short version of the live stream. But the live stream has more...

Yeah.

Microwave inverter driver. That's a nice one. Next to measure in and out. And try to tune the driver and coil.... 

~Russ

Russ that looks corona looks amazing, Ive seen Daniel Nunez wind the coil with anti corona wire and it still formed around the coil. Very interesting stuff. Why is it doing that????

Yeah it's amazingly evenly distributed. Definitely the coil behaves as a current transformer. If the current can't flow in the secondary, the voltage will go up until it does flow and then you get the corona. Now we should start figuring out the phases of the winding sections, measure the propagation speed and adjust the length of the sections so that there is 120 degrees between the waves so you get a rotating magnetic field. Or we could drive it with a 3-phase driver and 3 equal length windings.

Rodin coil comparisons, part 1

Hey guys, I made a video of a comparison run I did on three variations of coils.
enjoy

PS I don't know how to embed a video here so you will have to click the link.

Rodin coil comparisons - part 2

In this video I cover my setup and introduce a 4th coil that I tested.
IMO with the current understanding that I have,
it seems to me that the Rodin configurations are not doing anything special.
The 4th coil tested seems to do everything the other three did.
enjoy
Richard

good testing Richard!

its good to compare that coil with a " standard" coil.

however, we should be open to many types of theses tests.

like antennas, transmitters, Chokes, Amps, power transfer, ect.  so get an all around judgment if there all the same, or if there is some difference's.

wound be nice to go through each and see whats what.

Thanks for posting!!!

~Russ

Hello to all,
I carefully read all 18 pages of this thread. I need to congratulate to all for the great work you done, thanks to shared knowledge of all.

About the overunity effect Russ describe in the "Rodin Coil MOT Inverter Ozone Generator.." video, there's some advance? I feel I lost some other videos where this important behaviour was better explained...

Excuse me if I missed this info :)

Thank you!
Denis

the only places to look is the Live stream.

along reading the forums there is a lot of hrs of live stream footage that will get you up to speed.

some you can scan through to catch the highlights. others you'll need to just watch to really see what i am and what i have done.

i have not done a good job documenting everything here in text, but minimally those recordings...

~Russ

Thank you Russ, I'll look inside all the live streams :)

If you want, after I undestand the full process, I can help you documenting the "key" steps, such coils connection, schematics, etc...

Denis

YES, Denis,

you know what would be best is to take some notes if you watch those videos. this will be a HUGE help, this way i can pick out those parts and complie a small shorter video and with some notes to go with it. its kinda what i need to do but just done have the time!

let me know, we can work alot closer on that task. its would be a HUGE HUGE help!!!!

if you gonna watch them might as well note those key points???

let me know !

THANKS!!!!

~Russ

Hi Russ,

Congrats, These are a lot of works,

for now I can't build the coil, ( but in near future I will )

I would like to test some ideas if you can rebuild and test them:

1- you made coils L1, L2 as Marko rodin explanation plus Nunez twisting method,

    please add new Coil L3 , equal to L1 , L2, the same #strands and #AWG,
    and in L3 short 1st strand-start to 12th strand-end ( this should simulate 3-6-9 numbers of Rodin VBM,)

    (L1 and L2 should be the same and all 12 strands of each coil is serialized and not shorted as 007 )

    and make the same experiments in this thread( drive by amplified  audio-freq signals ) to find resonance freq,

2- use pure resistive load parallel to capacitor for output power consume and measurements ( large alum-heat-sinked resistors or heaters-elements )

3- after finding 1st resonance freq, please go to higher freqs and find other resonance freqs,

regards

Quote from smhs on August 30th, 2016, 12:20 PM

Hi Russ,

Congrats, These are a lot of works,

for now I can't build the coil, ( but in near future I will )

I would like to test some ideas if you can rebuild and test them:

1- you made coils L1, L2 as Marko rodin explanation plus Nunez twisting method,

    please add new Coil L3 , equal to L1 , L2, the same #strands and #AWG,
    and in L3 short 1st strand-start to 12th strand-end ( this should simulate 3-6-9 numbers of Rodin VBM,)

    (L1 and L2 should be the same and all 12 strands of each coil is serialized and not shorted as 007 )

    and make the same experiments in this thread( drive by amplified  audio-freq signals ) to find resonance freq,

2- use pure resistive load parallel to capacitor for output power consume and measurements ( large alum-heat-sinked resistors or heaters-elements )

3- after finding 1st resonance freq, please go to higher freqs and find other resonance freqs,

regards

thanks Smhs,

yes i am in the process of making a "369" coil. this will have the L3.

i will keep it updated here when i get there. Thanks for the feed back and thoughts!!!

~Russ

Just a thought.   Anyone try factor-9 frequency mixing to create a magnified beat frequency?

i have not Matt, but when i get that 3 coil done we can play with some 3 phase stuff... :)

~Russ 

Quote from ~Russ on August 31st, 2016, 09:09 AM

i have not Matt, but when i get that 3 coil done we can play with some 3 phase stuff... :)

Not three phase Russ.  These are Factor-9 harmonics.  If you download Audacity, I can show you how to generate them.  I have a hunch if these signals are mixed, amplified and injected into the Rodin coil, some interesting effects (possibly OU) may be obtained.  They are based on VBM and I would think be a perfect match for a Rodin coil.

Quote from Matt Watts on August 31st, 2016, 09:25 AM

Not three phase Russ.  These are Factor-9 harmonics.  If you download Audacity, I can show you how to generate them.  I have a hunch if these signals are mixed, amplified and injected into the Rodin coil, some interesting effects (possibly OU) may be obtained.  They are based on VBM and I would think be a perfect match for a Rodin coil.

yes i know what you were saying, i'm just stating the 3 phase stuff as i know you would like it :)

i used Audacity with Hutchinson stuff

yeah we can try that. ill get with you on it, or post screen shots here for all to see??? that would be better !

and yes, i think that this is a really good idea!

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ on August 30th, 2016, 09:30 AM

YES, Denis,

you know what would be best is to take some notes if you watch those videos. this will be a HUGE help, this way i can pick out those parts and complie a small shorter video and with some notes to go with it. its kinda what i need to do but just done have the time!

let me know, we can work alot closer on that task. its would be a HUGE HUGE help!!!!

if you gonna watch them might as well note those key points???

let me know !

THANKS!!!!

~Russ

Hello Russ,
I'm happy you're interested in my help :) Actually as a newbe probably it's the best thing I can do... ;)
Let me 10 days to come back (I'm travelling now), and I'll start looking all videos, maybe I'll ask you something else :)

About a place where save notes, what you think to use a WIKI? There's many php software that do it, and I think can be useful (I'm a sw programmer and use it daily...).

What we can do is:

- take notes of the key parts (notes the time of the starting-ending point of the video)
- create a doc (wiki better) with instruction step by step with linked the key parts video

Let me know what you think! ;)

bye!
Denis

Has anyone been able to use a transformer on the output of the coil to step down the voltage and get a proper V/A ratio? I haven't yet. Im thinking of pulsing the coil with a DC source (precharged 12v supercap pack) and rectifing the output and running it through this unit... http://www.ebay.ca/ulk/itm/351822805787

I realize there is losses but would be interesting to see what kind of output that unit can provide in this circuit. Maybe I can loop it back to the super cap pack and extend the run time? Or dare I say it ;) thoughts?

Quote from Vortex Joe on September 1st, 2016, 02:49 PM

Has anyone been able to use a transformer on the output of the coil to step down the voltage and get a proper V/A ratio? I haven't yet. Im thinking of pulsing the coil with a DC source (precharged 12v supercap pack) and rectifing the output and running it through this unit... http://www.ebay.ca/ulk/itm/351822805787

I realize there is losses but would be interesting to see what kind of output that unit can provide in this circuit. Maybe I can loop it back to the super cap pack and extend the run time? Or dare I say it ;) thoughts?

ive measured the output from L2 going either back to source battery or to a second,battery and found surprisingly high returns (50-80%). this is with a simple FWBR, so the voltage is essentially clamped. having a good MPPT solar controller rated for HV would be really nice to play with on the output. (maximum point power tracking)....or a similar step down circuit......but the industry models are getting pretty nice.

theres a simple model here with a diagram
http://www.ti.com/tool/TIDA-00120

Hi, Jeremy thanks for the info. Curious, you say "output on L2"... Are you not hooking it up start of L1 - finish of L2 on the input side and the output would be finish of L1- start of L2?

Quote from Vortex Joe on September 2nd, 2016, 08:09 AM

Hi, Jeremy thanks for the info. Curious, you say "output on L2"... Are you not hooking it up start of L1 - finish of L2 on the input side and the output would be finish of L1- start of L2?

no, i havent tried different configurations like that yet. i am still just driving L1 with a square wave, leaving L2 open for glowy plasma fun or rectifying it for output. im still looking for an MPPT controller that will handle up to 1000v at least.