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Title: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 1st, 2016, 04:48 PM
@all, This past global BEM conference i was asked to come up on stage with marko and help dissect this coil and setup. Here is a photo of the event:

(http://open-source-energy.org/?action=dlattach;topic=2680.0;attach=12621)

Here is the list of videos  Marko has posted before and after the event.,

Play list:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsiIKXpZfLKLZDEdBtaDgYeKkVN-OiwT-

This is something that i have seen before, Danial has been doing stuff for years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJyb9tnlcaw

But Danial is not an electrical engineer. He is self thought, we have worked in the same group years ago.  He has done enough to show that he has something interesting. Also, this video is one of Manny but the others are no longer listed on his you tube page.

So why am i posting this?

Well i was asked by Marko to replicate this, so I'm going to do it. Its really not hard to do. Only thing i need is the amp he was using a

And make a coil...

Here is some notes from chance, (user, your0nlychance) he was at the conference.
(http://open-source-energy.org/?action=dlattach;topic=2680.0;attach=12623;image)

I'm encouraging, your0nlychance to join the fun as he already has some coils he can work with.

I will continue to add more here as i progress. i will add schematics and other things. for now watch marko's videos.

thoughts questions concerns ect,

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PeakPositive on June 1st, 2016, 06:30 PM
Hi Russ
It may be a good idea to see how many watts the Insignia amp is consuming ? The meters could be tricked by the fast frequency and show less then actual watts used.

Just something to think about...:)

Look forward to seeing you test this, best of luck.

Peak Positive
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 1st, 2016, 07:01 PM
Some notes; more to come as I analyze the videos further:

1.  Analog meters are probably not reading RMS, so their higher reading than the flukes and scope are pretty close.
2.  "Copper Core" to me indicates that all six strands of wire are all connected together for sure at each end and maybe all together at both ends.  I will try to look close to determine which.  Very easy to try it both ways to see which works best.
3.  007 mentions the wire diameter is 0.56mm.  With insulation that is probably 24 AWG.

Not certain as yet how the L1 and L2 windings are connected.  A circuit diagram from 007 will clear this up.

2000+ amps overall circulating within the toroid windings is very curious.  In effect all electron flow is additive contrary to what would be expected with series windings going in both directions.  My feeling is that positive and negative energy is being separated similar to positive and negative charge on a capacitor.

His modified PSU could be accomplished by having many input capacitors in series and only using one of two of them to drive the internals of the PSU.

I have no idea what the multiple sine wave output traces are.  I agree with 007, I have NEVER seen that before.  Maybe an artifact of the scope...?   Simply not sure.

I also see no "intentional" ground wire, but with all the equipment connected, there is an earth ground associated with this circuit.


Summary, we (all of us that can actually acquire the means) need to build replications of this.  Marko is correct--this looks ready to go out the door.  Let's do it !
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PeakPositive on June 1st, 2016, 10:39 PM
Is it just me ? when I click on the link Russ put up I get "video does not exist"


"Here is the list of videos  Marko has posted before and after the event.,

Play list:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsiIKXpZfLKLZDEdBtaDgYeKkVN-OiwT-
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 1st, 2016, 11:10 PM
Take a peak at Marko's last three videos here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/MarkoRodin/videos
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Gunther Rattay on June 2nd, 2016, 12:35 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on June 1st, 2016, 07:01 PM
Some notes; more to come as I analyze the videos further:

1.  Analog meters are probably not reading RMS, so their higher reading than the flukes and scope are pretty close.
2.  "Copper Core" to me indicates that all six strands of wire are all connected together for sure at each end and maybe all together at both ends.  I will try to look close to determine which.  Very easy to try it both ways to see which works best.
3.  007 mentions the wire diameter is 0.56mm.  With insulation that is probably 24 AWG.

Not certain as yet how the L1 and L2 windings are connected.  A circuit diagram from 007 will clear this up.

2000+ amps overall circulating within the toroid windings is very curious.  In effect all electron flow is additive contrary to what would be expected with series windings going in both directions.  My feeling is that positive and negative energy is being separated similar to positive and negative charge on a capacitor.

His modified PSU could be accomplished by having many input capacitors in series and only using one of two of them to drive the internals of the PSU.

I have no idea what the multiple sine wave output traces are.  I agree with 007, I have NEVER seen that before.  Maybe an artifact of the scope...?   Simply not sure.

I also see no "intentional" ground wire, but with all the equipment connected, there is an earth ground associated with this circuit.


Summary, we (all of us that can actually acquire the means) need to build replications of this.  Marko is correct--this looks ready to go out the door.  Let's do it !
I agree - power has to be measured by scope to get reliable data.

Positive - there is a shop where frames and complete coils for replications can be ordered

http://1stopenergies.com/

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Gunther Rattay on June 2nd, 2016, 12:35 AM
Quote from PeakPositive on June 1st, 2016, 10:39 PM
Is it just me ? when I click on the link Russ put up I get "video does not exist"


"Here is the list of videos  Marko has posted before and after the event.,

Play list:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/videoseries?list=PLsiIKXpZfLKLZDEdBtaDgYeKkVN-OiwT-"
Vid is not available for me too ...
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 2nd, 2016, 01:03 AM
Clean-up of Chance notes.

I personally think 007 solution is more complex than necessary and have some ideas how to not only simplify it, but loop it.  This is the goal and will permanently put Marko on the map if we can be successful.  All that is needed is a COP of 1.3 and we can see there is a potential here of a COP between 3.0 and 4.0; that's more than enough leeway to get this puppy crank'n.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 2nd, 2016, 10:26 AM
quote=Matt Watts
Some notes; more to come as I analyze the videos further:

1.  Analog meters are probably not reading RMS, so their higher reading than the flukes and scope are pretty close.

~Russ - he has 3 meters for verification. so all 3 are all most spot on. that should be good enough to see that its correct...

2.  "Copper Core" to me indicates that all six strands of wire are all connected together for sure at each end and maybe all together at both ends.  I will try to look close to determine which.  Very easy to try it both ways to see which works best.

~Russ - the coils have 12 wires in a bundle (Litz wire), in each L1 and L2, DO NOT WIND IN CROSS PATTERNS, ONLY COUNTER CLOCK WISE.
 6 of the wires in the bundle are connected in parallel, that makes one coil. ( input / output)  the other 6 are "sorted out" making it a "copper core" each L1 and L2 are the same i think.

 there are only 3 main ways to " short"  theses coil's,
1. all in parallel ( open ended not looped) this one dose not make sense
 2. all in parallel (close ended, looped)
 3. all in series (close ended, looped)
I will draw some diagrams later.

it is possible that the "shorted coils" are some how connected to the other "shorted coils"... but i dought it. 


3.  007 mentions the wire diameter is 0.56mm.  With insulation that is probably 24 AWG.

~Russ - my charts agree that's 23Awg. however i don't know if that's with a coating or not. but it was mentend it was 18 AWG i think thats wrong. however .56mill is just below 23AWG on this chart:
https://bulkwire.com/help/wire-gauge-awg-reference-table

if he said it wrong it could be .65mill thats still right at 22AWG.

to be honest, i don't think it matters... we just need to calculate the resistance. the amp is a B200H, that's a 200W 4ohm load amp, transformer driven.

we know the coil is 27cm wide, the hold is 9cm, the coil is all in one direction, so insted of 12 points in the jigs, there is 24, this gives us the gap space. Danial uses 12 and over laps the winding.  that's not right according to there last dezighn ( on page 1 of the PDF marko presented) this is know. it also dose not match the math...

so that means we can calculate what 6 raps is on the torus, calculate is better be around 4 ohms. if its not it will mess up the amp ( possibly).


Not certain as yet how the L1 and L2 winding are connected.  A circuit diagram from 007 will clear this up.

~Russ - working on getting that from them. or making my own.

2000+ amps overall circulating within the toroid windings is very curious.  In effect all electron flow is additive contrary to what would be expected with series windings going in both directions.  My feeling is that positive and negative energy is being separated similar to positive and negative charge on a capacitor.

~Russ - i ignore this measurement. its not a good reading in my mined.  one cant measure current this way with all the wires in the circuit...


His modified PSU could be accomplished by having many input capacitors in series and only using one of two of them to drive the internals of the PSU.
 

I have no idea what the multiple sine wave output traces are.  I agree with 007, I have NEVER seen that before.  Maybe an artifact of the scope...?   Simply not sure.

~Russ - i i believe he left a ground off. i came to this conclusion later.


I also see no "intentional" ground wire, but with all the equipment connected, there is an earth ground associated with this circuit.


Summary, we (all of us that can actually acquire the means) need to build replications of this.  Marko is correct--this looks ready to go out the door.  Let's do it !

~Russ - lets do it. i got my amp on order and i'm already getting the bobbin jig drawn up...


~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 2nd, 2016, 10:32 AM
Quote from Gunther Rattay on June 2nd, 2016, 12:35 AM
Vid is not available for me too ...
thy this one

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsiIKXpZfLKLZDEdBtaDgYeKkVN-OiwT-
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 2nd, 2016, 10:40 AM
Quote from Gunther Rattay on June 2nd, 2016, 12:35 AM
I agree - power has to be measured by scope to get reliable data.

Positive - there is a shop where frames and complete coils for replications can be ordered

http://1stopenergies.com/
these are not quite right, we need 24 slots to make it go ill in one direction.
and 36 slots for the extra gap space ( if we want to fallow the math correctly) But for now we will start with 24 slots in each outer wire holder.
and 11 holders on the main ring. the math states we need 12, but if we do that it will be 6 / 12  individual "circuits" and that's complicated, so to make it easy we  use 11, this gives us one long wrap and we are back at the start, ( going around the torus 11 ( or 12? i cant remember)  times)

this is something Danial / his friends came up with, but it is not correct with the math, again its only to make the coils easier

i have 2 of Danial's coils on my desk... been here for 8 months. just haven't had the time, now i know why. its because i needed this new information.

~Russ 
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 2nd, 2016, 11:57 AM
The amp used,

Acoustic® B200H professional head

attached is some inside photos of the B200H acoustic amp i found on line. i cant find a schematic...

http://acousticamplification.com/product/b200h/
Quote
B200H

    40 Shares

200 W Bass Guitar Head

The Acoustic® B200H professional head is designed for large club and live applications where it will fill any stage with depth and definition. Used in conjunction with the B115 and/or B410 enclosures, the B200H will easily drive either one or two cabinets in any combination of your choice.

The two bass inputs are designed to accommodate both active and passive bass instruments while the Gain and Volume controls give you complete control over the character of your tone. Increase the Gain for some old school rock tones, or lower it and turn up the volume for great clean, classic or funk tones. The preamp includes a very natural and tube-like compression as well as a harmonically rich distortion circuit, which keeps your tone musical – even at high volume levels. The B200H also includes a notch filter to tailor your mids, and a six-band EQ for exact control over every nuance of your bass's tone.

Rear panel features include a parallel Effects Loop, and XLR balanced Line Out with Level Control and Ground Lift. The two speaker output jacks allow you to directly connect to each enclosure (such as the B115 and/or B410) to maximize your tone and power.

The heritage of Acoustic® comes through loud and clear in the B200H — a seriously professional stage head for serious bassists.
EXTRA GOODIES

• Ground Lift, Effect Loop
OPTIONS

• B115 1×15 Bass Cabinet
• B410 4×10 Bass Cabinet
FEATURES

• Power: 200 Watts @ 4 Ohms
• EQ: 6-Band EQ – Sweepable Frequency Notch Filter
• Channels: 1
• Inputs: Dual Inputs (Passive & Active)
• Outputs: XLR Direct Out
user manual:
http://acousticamplification.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/usermanual/B200H-Manual.pdf

also attached...

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 2nd, 2016, 01:42 PM
just some notes:

Circuit: ( tank circuit on output)

The output of the Sig gen is going to the passive input on the front of the amp. the Sig gen is set to 5Vpp  0v offset.
Sig gen is a Tektronics AFG1062

amp is a Acoustic® B200H professional head
 "Speaker Out: Two-conductor, 1/4” Speaker Output Jacks, 4 Ohms minimum
load
, parallel."

so the coil can be more than 4 ohms, just not less.

he has a 240V to 120V step down transformer for the amp because its American and he is in another country.

scope used is a Tektronics MDO3034 Mixed Domain Oscilloscope 350Mhz 205GSS/s

he was using a thermal cam FLUKE Ti200, IR Fusion Technology.

using a FLUKE 3000FC to measure output voltage because the scope was not high enough voltage.

L1 Connected to output from amp.

L2 is connected to a cap ( 200Vdc .15uf) ( or 450-500V 2.5uf)   to a full wave bridge rectifier to 8 caps in parallel. (420V 220uf) to a "home brewed, build with some German guys from a wind turbine company" " 2500V to 24Vdc -dc converter,

other configuration is :

 same input, but 7W LED lights connected series and parallel. "to get max out put of voltage / current" ( so tuning)

Coil:

He said there is no real inductance on this coil ( its an air coil) also don't forget because of the spaces it has very high capacitance. 

L1 and L2

L1 and L2 have 12 conductors each.

L1, there are 6 conductors shorted " copper core"
and 6 conductors in parallel making the L1

same for L2.

I stated in the posted replying to Matt.  The diagram possibility's for the "sorted" coils.

resistance is about "15 ohms".

I'm working now to make the bobbin form.

More:

frequency with dc-dc converter is 1.326Khz ( don't let this full you this needs to be tuned to your coil)
frequency with lights is 1.226Khz ( don't let this full you this needs to be tuned to your coil)

More later...

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 2nd, 2016, 03:38 PM
Attaching Danial's original Doc from his website.

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 2nd, 2016, 05:39 PM
http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/vortex-base-math-research/rodin-coil-energy-amplifier/
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 2nd, 2016, 10:32 PM
FYI, this is not exact, but its close we have 24 points and the coil only goes the one way, but it gives us the idea on how its wound ( well gives you an idea, i already know how :) )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bafvn2JoBpg
~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 12:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFpepZeBTm8&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 3rd, 2016, 03:29 AM
Here's my first crack at the STL (in binary mm format) files for the former and ring.

Please take a peek and see if I'm in the ballpark.

Keep in mind these are probably not optimal for 3D printing, but should be straight forward for CNC routing of the parts from sheet material using a 1/4" router bit.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 10:23 AM
your in the ball part Matt,

some changes,

1. we need 24 slots ( wire holders) to make 2 coils in the same direction... but make a version with 12, 24, 36, this will cover all basics. ( so make it easy to change in the cad...I think some how you can set theses up easy to change with out much drawing? )

2. the "over cut"  on the slots is good, however maybe not quite as much "under cut" make the slots open more but keep the slight "under cut" it may not look quite like a circle but more of a egg shape...  am i making sense?  this is so we can still get the wire bundle in. its looking tight.

3. extra credit... make notches/ cutouts ( circular in shape )  in the ring plate to save plastic when 3d printing. or holes... between the notches...

you did really good, This will be really easy to print... 

when the changes come ill start printing and test fitting...

good work matt!

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 10:42 AM
one more request,

instead of making the former slot go all the way to the 1/2 way point, can we make it only go 1/4 the way?

this will make the ring smaller... its almost to big to print...

also make the corners of the ring "flat" so the former sits flat agenst the ring. this will  make it better for gluing...

~Russ 
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 3rd, 2016, 11:17 AM
Quote from ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 10:23 AM
1. we need 24 slots ( wire holders) to make 2 coils in the same direction... but make a version with 12, 24, 36, this will cover all basics. ( so make it easy to change in the cad...I think some how you can set theses up easy to change with out much drawing? )
When I finished I was getting a little blurry-eyed.  I thought we needed 24, 12ea for L1/L2.  Let me do the 24 cut first.  I'm thinking things are going to get a little tight for a 36 cut with the same scale.  Not exactly sure how I can prevent the slot from becoming one of the holes for the wire.  I'll have to rethink this a little.

If I understood you correctly, a 36 hole is really just a 24 hole with an evenly spaced gap, so no holes are really needed, just an offset--two holes fairly close together with a space between them.  If we do this without the hole it will make it impossible to place the wire bundle in the wrong place.
Quote from ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 10:23 AM
2. the "over cut"  on the slots is good, however maybe not quite as much "under cut" make the slots open more but keep the slight "under cut" it may not look quite like a circle but more of a egg shape...  am i making sense?  this is so we can still get the wire bundle in. its looking tight.
It's going to look even tighter with the 24 cut.  I'm using a bolt pattern for the cuts.  What I can do is try to use an actual circular pattern from an oval template, making the cuts a bit deeper.  You still want the center of the oval to be the 9cm diameter right?
Quote from ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 10:23 AM
3. extra credit... make notches/ cutouts ( circular in shape )  in the ring plate to save plastic when 3d printing. or holes... between the notches...
Lightning holes  hehe.  Sure I can do that for you 3D printer guys.    :)
Quote from ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 10:23 AM
4. instead of making the former slot go all the way to the 1/2 way point, can we make it only go 1/4 the way?
That should be easy, but I have some concern if the inner wire cut has to also use the slot.
Quote from ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 10:23 AM
5. also make the corners of the ring "flat" so the former sits flat agenst the ring. this will  make it better for gluing...
Yes, I skimped on this figuring the slot would provide all the holding necessary.  For a CNC solution, the inner-most portion of the former slot will still be rounded since my router bits can't cut square edges on the inside.  I should be able to bump-off the corners though.


We should reach out to Firepinto.  He's been up to his neck in CAD I thought; could probably knock this out in real-time if we could snag him for a few minutes.  I can do the CAD work, but I'm certainly no Pro at it like he is.

M@
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 11:49 AM
good news, i got the current probes ordered for the oscilloscope we have here at work.

the proves used by 007 is http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/AEMC/pdf/sl261.pdf

that's a good cheep probe. most are like over 1K each...

so good frequency response and all,.

our scope:
TPS2024B
http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/tektronix/oscilloscope/tps2024b.htm
with
 TPS2PWR1 (Power Measurement and Analysis Software)
http://www.tek.com/datasheet/tps2pwr1
user manual:
http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/04c6/0900766b804c6b80.pdf
probes:
2x : P5100A
http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/tektronix/accessories/oscilloscope-probe/tek-p5100a-high-voltage-probe.htm
4x : TPP0201 ( factory probes)
http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/tektronix/accessories/oscilloscope-probe/tek-tpp0201-passive-probe.htm

when received we will have
2x : SL261


I'm all set for proper measurements DC to 100kHz 100ma to 100A 0-1000VRMS isolated probes...

i cant get much better than that...

~Russ

Ps.  i have been working on getting the proper equipment for a while now :) 
things we need at work to do it properly...


Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 12:05 PM
Matt, i have a cad guy who offered to help this morning. let me get him to finish it
upload what you have here in the proper formats for cad...

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 3rd, 2016, 12:26 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 12:05 PM
Matt, i have a cad guy who offered to help this morning. let me get him to finish it
upload what you have here in the proper formats for cad...

~Russ
STEP files attached for each piece in millimeter units.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 12:52 PM
ok, buddy Jim is working on the drawing, he is going to try to get it done before 5 his time ( I think that's in like 3 hrs)  i'm going to try to start printing the stuff tonight if it done.

Matt, are you wanting my to make some for you or are going to CNC?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 3rd, 2016, 01:22 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 12:52 PM
ok, buddy Jim is working on the drawing, he is going to try to get it done before 5 his time ( I think that's in like 3 hrs)  i'm going to try to start printing the stuff tonight if it done.
When he gets them finish, be sure to post them back here.
Quote from ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 12:52 PM
Matt, are you wanting my to make some for you or are going to CNC?
I will probably do CNC, but as a prototype, cross-verification of your work, sure, I'd like to have some prints that are the same as yours.

If this turns out to be a winner, I'll be buying sheets of plastic and running cuts non-stop.  While that is happening, I'll be working on a single board drive/power-out solution to hook these coils up to.  Preferably self-adjusting so they work with any coil straight-out-of-the-box.  I'd like nothing better than to produce these devices OpenSource as kits or complete units at cost plus labor--quit working for the man and start working for the community.  We just need to be sure to file the Defensive Publication.   ;)

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 02:10 PM
agreed 100% Matt, and also i have some other big backers that can make it this happen...  the connections are made.

but we are talking to far out... lets dream small right now :)

let just verify this works...

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 03:39 PM
friends cad program is acting wack...

so wont be today.

Matt want to give a go or will it take you all night :) 

lol

else he will work on it tomorrow.

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 3rd, 2016, 04:20 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 03:39 PM
friends cad program is acting wack...

so wont be today.

Matt want to give a go or will it take you all night :)
May take me all night, but I'll work on it between rounds of playing fetch with the dogger.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 04:45 PM
:) 
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 3rd, 2016, 04:59 PM
This is closer.   Still need to figure out the best way to do slotted holes.  Ovals won't CNC with a 1/4" bit.

You'll notice now the slot becomes one of the holes which may or may not work too well.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 05:32 PM
ok so in going to start printing theses tonight,

Matt, just do bigger radius on the ends there where we want the egg shape...  that's easy. ( the "corner" make it a radius)

ill grab the updated files for that change before I start printing the former.

theses have the slip fit we talked about? or no?

nice work!

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 07:18 PM
oh... hehe one more thing...

can we make it a " spoke" wheel desighn for the former? anywhere we can save on plastic is good lol same as the thickness is good for any spokes.

~Russ ..
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 08:10 PM
we are now printing the ring... hope to have those new mods ready for the next one lol

www.rwgresearch.com/live(http://www.rwgresearch.com/live)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 3rd, 2016, 08:36 PM
ok thats it, i have to dust my printer off now i guess
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 09:16 PM
Quote from jeremy gwilt on June 3rd, 2016, 08:36 PM
ok thats it, i have to dust my printer off now i guess
haha yes you do!!! :)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 3rd, 2016, 10:15 PM
Version 3 with:
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 3rd, 2016, 11:02 PM
Let's go with version #4.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 3rd, 2016, 11:39 PM
Version 5 for 3DP with straight cut inner slot.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 11:40 PM
Center ring done flawlessly. Nice drawing matt!!!
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: alloytam on June 4th, 2016, 01:02 AM
that is beautiful,
good job, matt!!
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Lynx on June 4th, 2016, 01:45 AM
My God, love what's going on here :-D
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 02:12 AM
we are kicking A$$

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 02:35 AM
Well nice work matt. We got this far to learn we need to re think it a bit.

1/8" for the new one.

And a re think on how to connect the 2 parts. 1/2 and 1/2 slots in each part insted of a grove.

Will continue tomarrow!

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 02:40 AM
Ok here is the wire angle prob. We ither make the holes bigger. Or make it 1/8"  or both...

The wire needs to go through the next hole in the center of the ring there. Can't hardly even see it.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 03:01 AM
ok... @all. DO NOT MAKE RING AND FORMER... Matt and I are in prototype stage...

we are redesigning again....

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 03:15 AM
Matt. Angle is 30. Not 15. Its every other hole. There are 2 coils on there. Think 12.

Also. If you make the angle. In both directions and they will make a "point" in the center of the part. We can go both ways.

Easy.


~Russ.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 4th, 2016, 06:27 AM
Quote from ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 03:15 AM
Matt. Angle is 30. Not 15. Its every other hole. There are 2 coils on there. Think 12.

Also. If you make the angle. In both directions and they will make a "point" in the center of the part. We can go both ways.
You're killing me Russ.  I thought we were not winding in both directions...  But now I'm looking at pictures and it clearly looks like 007 wound it the same as Daniel does--crisscross.  So I guess straight holes is really what we need.  Errr...  I'll do a separate former bobbin with straight holes or dual 30 degree holes if it will work.



Have a look at these for the moment and see if they are workable.  Number six is angled holes; number seven is straight.

I went with 1/8" thickness, 0.140" on the slots; 15 degrees wire hole angle, ring with tabs.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 4th, 2016, 09:18 AM
This may be it for today, getting pretty burned out and I'm not sure what else I can do to be honest.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 11:12 AM
get some sleep. I'll test these today. I'm sure we got it now.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 12:08 PM
matt, testing, files look ok but need to be higher rez.

can you upload the step file...

making #8

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 4th, 2016, 12:51 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 12:08 PM
matt, testing, files look ok but need to be higher rez.

can you upload the step file...
Millimeter STEP AP214 files for the latest version attached.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 01:04 PM
thanks Matt, here is a photo on why i need high rez...

Title: High-res STLs
Post by: Matt Watts on June 4th, 2016, 01:16 PM
Try to use the non "A" version ring first if it will work.

3D Builder seems to have a problem with the ring as exported from IronCAD.  After fixup the file is smaller--probably reduces resolution.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 01:27 PM
oh yeah thats WOW
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 01:48 PM
Then next One will be better with high res. This was from other one.

And we are getting kids aprovle. :)

~Russ

Nice work Matt!!!
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 01:54 PM
No good prints never go to waist around here. Just real world testing here. :)


" wow daddy did you see that. It bounced all the way back... "

 :D
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 4th, 2016, 02:32 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 01:54 PM
" wow daddy did you see that. It bounced all the way back... "
I want a picture of the look on your face when the big fully wound Rodin coil takes a bounce.    :rofl2:
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 03:15 PM
lol  ok ill film it haha

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 4th, 2016, 04:26 PM
Ring with lightning holes.  High res STL.

Almost looks like some kind of whacky disc brake rotor.  Hmmm.   You don't suppose...
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 4th, 2016, 05:46 PM
you guys are killing me! i think i have to start repairs tonight on my printer (if i fail...then it can be rebuilt for pcbs mwahaha)
that is some tight modeling! very nice work
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 06:26 PM
Well. Power keep flickering killing my priemter. Even tho it's connected to a ups.

And.

This is a bit to close for comfrent.

Less than a mile

Ash falling down. Wind blowing this way. You know. All the fun stuff

Car packed.

Ready to roll of need be.

~russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 4th, 2016, 06:29 PM
no joke man! take care.....leave early 
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 06:53 PM
From up the road.

Can't see the flames to much. But you could.

And another from when it started.

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 07:13 PM
Crap. From my roof. Wind picked up.

But died down.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 4th, 2016, 08:12 PM
a/c and furnace blower off....windows closed if you have to evac.....save on smoke dmg
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 11:26 PM
Yeah. Did that long ago :)  fire seems to be out But we left. It was and still is  verry smoky. Tomarrow is another day. ~Russ

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 4th, 2016, 11:34 PM
Marko just uploaded a bunch more clips from BEM

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsiIKXpZfLKLZDEdBtaDgYeKkVN-OiwT-

I added them to This play list.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 5th, 2016, 02:22 AM
Man, I watched this again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6BC8mT5fFk

And I just do not see the crisscross pattern that Daniel uses.

007 said it does not work with induction so I'm thinking L1/L2 is actually more like a common mode choke arrangement instead of a transformer.


Russ, be careful buddy.  If you have to bail on this project for a while, I'll run with it best I can.  Marko is counting on somebody getting this replicated and legitimized.  Whatever it takes, we'll find a way.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Gunther Rattay on June 5th, 2016, 03:00 AM
If Marko wants it to be replicated the best way to start is to work on his original configuration he has.

Getting all details by observation and then start replication.
If he´s in the states that should be not too much of a problem ...
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 5th, 2016, 07:47 AM
version 9 ring printed last night....the stars aligned for me and repairs went well   :)
ill start prining forms today....but somebodys gotta show me how to wind this crazy thing  !
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 5th, 2016, 08:18 AM
btw....that high res former model absolutely destroys my video card!
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 09:04 AM
Yes Matt. Thsts what I have been trying to stress. It's not cross pattern.

Im all game for this. Funds should be on the way to buy the wire.

And I have 22 or 24 in stock. Just don't known if it's enugh.

Yeah it's a combo. Not just a transformer. But a type of choke. Too ?? I don't know. :)

Gunther. I think have all the details we need.

Nice work jermy.

You know why that happen. Its because of you would have started printing that night. You would have to restarted.  Cuse it was all wrong.

The universe was stoping you for a reassion. :)

Ok. I'll be back home later and restart the ring. With holes. :)

~Russ.

Oh. One more thing.

Matt. The ring , the slight bevel on the small tab is beveld the wrong way. It needs to bevel in the center. Not point out. :)  it's inverted. Also make it about .5mm shorter. Should fit really nice. You get that done in then next hr or so I'll be able to make that version. :)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 09:12 AM
Aparently it's still burining.

http://t-cep.org/emergencystatus/#TactZoneMap

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: your0nlychance on June 5th, 2016, 09:20 AM
How much would it be to get you to print me a set
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 5th, 2016, 09:23 AM
alright...i tried evrything but cant load the high res formers. if the dimensions are the same on ver8 ill just go with that...it seems to load (barely!)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 10:14 AM
Quote from your0nlychance on June 5th, 2016, 09:20 AM
How much would it be to get you to print me a set
Hey brother!!!!
you guys make it home OK?  Flooded everywhere.

we can get you a set... don't worry, wont cost much... 10-20$ and shipping...

its just time, takes about 2 days of non stop printing to get theses make...

ok back to getting my printer up to my work so i can keep making theses...

~Russ

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 10:14 AM
Quote from jeremy gwilt on June 5th, 2016, 09:23 AM
alright...i tried evrything but cant load the high res formers. if the dimensions are the same on ver8 ill just go with that...it seems to load (barely!)
haha
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 5th, 2016, 10:34 AM
a little slow to start today, but finally.....
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: your0nlychance on June 5th, 2016, 10:41 AM
We made it home fine just had to go a different way but yea its flooded about a mile from my house but the river is going down now . and I had no idea it took that long to print those but it took me a long time to make the ones I made too . I tried to wire one that I had already made with the weaved pattern like they showed and it worked better with the ones that are shorted just open i haven't had time to get the wattage yet but I should have it by this evening
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 5th, 2016, 12:10 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 09:04 AM
Yes Matt. Thsts what I have been trying to stress. It's not cross pattern.
Good deal.  I thought I was starting to see things.
Quote from ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 09:04 AM
Matt. The ring , the slight bevel on the small tab is beveld the wrong way. It needs to bevel in the center. Not point out. :)  it's inverted. Also make it about .5mm shorter. Should fit really nice. You get that done in then next hr or so I'll be able to make that version. :)
Sorry for being offline for a while.  Heavy work at work.  Slept like a baby when I finally passed out.

I'll do a fix on the tab.  Dyslexic you know.  Runs freely in the OpenSource Community.   :)

Give me a few minutes and I'll post an updated version for the late-comers.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 12:21 PM
Quote from Matt Watts on June 5th, 2016, 12:10 PM
Good deal.  I thought I was starting to see things.

Sorry for being offline for a while.  Heavy work at work.  Slept like a baby when I finally passed out.

I'll do a fix on the tab.  Dyslexic you know.  Runs freely in the OpenSource Community.   :)

Give me a few minutes and I'll post an updated version for the late-comers.
Yea you know that work thing gets in the way. Lol


Good job Matt. It will be at least 2 hrs before I'm ready to start printing.
You all here rock my socks off you know that. !!!

Got bless us all
~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 5th, 2016, 12:26 PM
so for those of us with bargain bin computers......
here is a ver. 9 ring with ver. 8 form, printed top speed so its a tad sloppy but manageable.
nice tight fit! awesome work guys.....
im going to run out of filament before im done the forms so its off to the city early tomorrow to hunt some down.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 5th, 2016, 01:08 PM
the inner holes printed a touch elongated....but the outer diameter of the whole jig is uniform
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 5th, 2016, 01:22 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 12:21 PM
Good job Matt. It will be at least 2 hrs before I'm ready to start printing.
Attached Ring #11 with corrected tab inset.  The "A" version is a fix-up by 3D Builder, only use it if the non-"A" version doesn't work.
Quote from ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 12:21 PM
You all here rock my socks off you know that. !!!
I'm just glad you didn't suffer a major setback being burned out of your house.

With enough of us onboard, there's no way we can all be stopped or even slowed down.

Great job guys!

M@
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 01:37 PM
sweetness. Good job Matt and Jeremy

I'm on my way back to the shop with the goods and will be live printing.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 5th, 2016, 01:38 PM
For those that want to do a CNC version (like me), here's a link to get you started with material:
Interstate Plastics UHMW Sheets(https://www.interstateplastics.com/Uhmw-Natural-Virgin-Sheet-UHMNV~~SH.php?sku=UHMNV++SH&vid=20160605152937-3p&dim2=12&dim3=12&thickness=0.125&qty=4)

Four sheets should be about right.  The Ring is just over six inches in diameter and the former bobbins are just under four inches in diameter.  With proper placement, you should have just enough surface for a couple of moguls and still be able to finish this project.

I will be working on a CNC version of the drawings specifically for an 1/8th inch plastic router bit--no lightning holes or tapered edges.  Stay tuned...


Also, a good router bit makes life much easier.  My preference is the Amana Tool 51411 available at ToolsToday(http://www.toolstoday.com/p-5879-solid-carbide-cnc-spiral-o-flute-plastic-cutting-up-cut-down-cut-router-bits.aspx?&variantids=11572,0&keywords=51411)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 08:57 PM
ok on # 3 o 11...
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 09:07 PM
What are we doing?

Lol

Look how nice that circle fits the inside "gap"

Nice work Matt
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 09:11 PM
good thing my wife any hungry. She would be eating it like Swiss cheese . :)

Lol
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 5th, 2016, 09:46 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 09:07 PM
Look how nice that circle fits the inside "gap"
Looks like the radius is off just a tad, but still plenty good for "Guvment Work",  hehe
Quote from ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 09:11 PM
good thing my wife any hungry. She would be eating it like Swiss cheese . :)
It's one holy fixture isn't it?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 10:01 PM
i know this is off topic but it goes along with the mess on this thread with the fire...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8lJT497YE4

wow...

its fun to remember when looking back through this thread

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 5th, 2016, 10:04 PM
3D PDF attached.  Really cool.  Opens in Adobe Reader and lets you see all sorts of things, print and measure too.

Play with it.  I think you'll be impressed.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 5th, 2016, 11:00 PM
I'm not 100% certain about the input and output (L1/L2) for this gizmo.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 5th, 2016, 11:58 PM
well, i'm not to worried about a theory on how it works... I'm just interested in getting it to work... then we can guess on the how... ~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Lynx on June 6th, 2016, 12:16 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on June 5th, 2016, 10:04 PM
3D PDF attached.  Really cool.  Opens in Adobe Reader and lets you see all sorts of things, print and measure too.

Play with it.  I think you'll be impressed.
That's really cool Matt, didn't know AR could do that :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 6th, 2016, 12:56 AM
Yeah. I like the look of this printer working for me in the dark :)

I got to go to bed. We are off to #5
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 6th, 2016, 06:14 AM
Quote from Lynx on June 6th, 2016, 12:16 AM
That's really cool Matt, didn't know AR could do that :thumbsup:
I didn't either.  Hopefully if anyone needs a paper template, they can fairly easily print a properly scaled image with some dimensions.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 6th, 2016, 11:56 AM
Ok. Attached are immages of 18 awg as a test.

Its fine. All most looks like it could all be 18 AWG wire.

This is 1.12mm

Oh now that no look at it this is 16 wires.

I just bent everything in half. Lol.

So I have 4 extra wires. Fits nice.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 6th, 2016, 11:58 AM
Here is 12 wires. Its lose now.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 6th, 2016, 12:34 PM
Very encouraging.  And your sure the plastic is going to be able to handle the stress of all these wires trying to go wherever they want right?

Also, we don't need nearly so much twist on the wire bundles do we?


Sure going to be a big coil.  Looks like it would power your house if it actually works.   :)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jrodney55 on June 6th, 2016, 12:47 PM
Looks great Russ & Matt! Here's a rendering of Ring+all Formers - posting as an attachment - I guess this will work?

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 6th, 2016, 01:31 PM
so... yes anything past i would say 18 will fit... even 16awg might fit...

23awg wire ordered...

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 6th, 2016, 01:44 PM
Quote from Matt Watts on June 6th, 2016, 12:34 PM
Very encouraging.  And your sure the plastic is going to be able to handle the stress of all these wires trying to go wherever they want right?

Also, we don't need nearly so much twist on the wire bundles do we?


Sure going to be a big coil.  Looks like it would power your house if it actually works.   :)
yeah i twisted these quite a lot, But, a good twist wont hurt. also, the wire you can bend by hand a bit, and fit it nicly ( no stress) so yeah i think i will be good,

dose seems like a lot of wire. ill get a calculation on length soon... 3 more former's to make...

if i have enough 22 awg I'm going to use it...  then when the 23 AWG gwets here ill make another, else ill have to wait for the wire...

but i got work to do... setting up home shop to be electronics lab :)

(my 44 square floor shop) also its a nice Faraday cage...

~Russ 
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 6th, 2016, 01:59 PM
damn....now it looks even worse! haha...maybe some paint after its all done. my trip for filament was delayed until tomorrow but i scrapped a couple more together.
on the issue of wire size, i have an abundance of 28 awg so im going to try that.....see how it stacks up.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 6th, 2016, 02:05 PM
it looks just like all your projects! crazy fun times party disco!

good 28 AWG will be a cool test
you should go at it with all your crazy exciters and stuff lol who knows what you will produce!

:)

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 6th, 2016, 02:08 PM
FYI Matt, im more worried about the heat generated by the coil than i am about the form holding the wire fine...

and because it all dose in the same direction there are no good ziptie points to hold it all together... ( maybe an epoxy dip)

but if i want to wind it differently i guess its a start over point....

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 6th, 2016, 06:28 PM
Well. Pushing the printer ( and the team )  but got it. Now time to get wire length.

Oh and kid aproved.

You guys rock here. No fire gonna stop this train. :)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 12:54 AM
Spent the night cleening up the "tool shed" to make some room for the eletronics work bench RCOUA

Looks like those Swiss cheese holescame in quite nicly.

:) 

No glue. If need be can't take apart. Easy.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 01:08 AM
And!!!!!!!!!


We worked so hard to get here...... 
This is a vacume cord as a test to find the length ...

Now.... For a single wire. How long dose it need to be???? Lets have some guesses

The guess is.
How Manny inches dose it take to make This one " loop" back to the start of the winding?

Come on. Guess away.

Love you guys. :) 

I have such a big grin on my face right now....
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 01:15 AM
Ohhhh
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 7th, 2016, 01:21 AM
Quote from ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 01:08 AM
This is a vacume cord as a test to find the length ...

Now.... For a single wire. How long dose it need to be???? Lets have some guesses

The guess is.
How Manny inches dose it take to make This one " loop" back to the start of the winding?

Come on. Guess away.
I don't know of too many vacuum cords that are longer than 25 feet, so that's real encouraging.
Quote from ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 01:08 AM
I have such a big grin on my face right now....
Me too.   :D

Love'n it!
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 7th, 2016, 02:06 AM
Looking good guys,

I think I'll print one too. Having only just recently studied the Rodin coil, it appears to me that it has the same counter-acting principle like many other OU devices - like the Stanley Meyer VIC transformer and coils. He seemingly used more or less conventional winding patterns and a thin ferrite core (for the transformer). But the purpose was the same, generate opposing magnetic fields that create that bubble of energy. In the Rodin coil it seems the current in the two windings go in opposite directions and so the magnetic fields also counter each other. When measuring the inductace of L1, one should see a drop in inductance when L2 is shorted and vice-versa. Since there's no core, the general level of inductance should be low. The capacitance between the turns is also low so one would expect to see "high" parallel and series resonant frequencies. But perhaps that's why the external cap before the rectifier is needed to push down the resonance to the audio range.
We need to put a network analyser on one of those rodin coils. Also mapping the magnetic and possibly electric field (intensity) by scanning it with a hall probe controlled by a 3D printer type of machine would be interesting. It may also be possible to build a model and to do a simulation of the electromagnetics... but most likely one would see there's a pinch of the fields in the middle of it.
A test or even a scan with an accelerometer would also be interesting...
Being a mainly a HHO guy, I'd like to see this coil running a HHO cell. I guess it has to be in the "bubble" and then run by high voltage (the Rodin coil can generate a high voltage..) Remember all the millions of cars and gas/oil heater systems - how are we going to replace those..? we need the HHO systems too.


Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 7th, 2016, 02:36 AM
CNC Version Attached.  Use your CAM application of choice for these basically 2D drawings to generate G-code for your machine.

This version has 1/8" inside cut blends for using an 1/8" router bit and assumes you will be cutting 1/8" material.  The STEP files are in inch units.

If you need a format other than STEP, please let me know and I'll post it.

Happy chipping!
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 7th, 2016, 02:50 AM
Quote from Viking on June 7th, 2016, 02:06 AM
...generate opposing magnetic fields that create that bubble of energy.
That vortex collision image should reveal to everyone, opposing fields DO NOT CANCEL each other out.  Quite the contrary, they create new fields with their own form of dynamics and all the energy behind the collision is still there.  It's just not where you expect it to be.  So bypassing Lenz Law and other limitations is only a matter of using your creative mind to see a solution.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 7th, 2016, 06:41 AM
i think i had guessed 36 feet but i was tired. i figured 18 inches per wrap, x10 somehow equals 36.
im chaning my answer to 14 foot, 6 inches

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 12:00 PM
Good work Matt. Those look good. !

Also the extra holes in the ring you should add as well as a center one in the former really make it nice to zip tie like I did... Sure. Glue. I know.

Any how. Good guesses guys. Vac cord is 30 foot.

Real mesurment is. 293.2"

So if we make our wire 25 feet we should have enugh to still work with on the ends.

However. We must include the twist.

 I'm still calulating the number of tunrs per inch for the wire.



So we need like 26-27 feet the twist will shrink the length some amount.

So 27 foot x 12 for L1 and the same for L2

 324Foot. For each coil.

A lot less wire than I thought.

It sure puts a smile on my face to look at that coil. Its neet to see a torus come out of this simple jig.

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 7th, 2016, 02:55 PM
Looking at the Nuñes couples videos and how they Wind the coil, there is definitely a lot of capacitance between the individual strands. How much actually depends on how close they are to the previous pair. Definitely if you want reproducability and regularity one would have to sort out the relative position of each strand of wire to the other strands. One could number them 1-12 (if using 12) going in a clockwise direction.

Also from balanced transmission line theory and practical work, it is known that the impedance of a twisted pair, depends on the interwinding capacitance and the relative permittivity of the insulation (which is around 3 for most types as far as I can recall). Putting on more turns per length increases the interwinding capacitance and will cause a decrease in measured impedance.
Impedance affects the propagation speed of the electromagnetic wave and therefore it's resonant frequency.

Apart from that there is also a much smaller inter-cable capacitance which should give rise to an additional, but much higher resonance frequency.

Regarding the coil as a transmission line and putting on a sinewave, should at the basic resonant frequency and it's overtones and harmonics, cause standing waves on it, which can cause high voltage (if open of lightly loaded) and no current or high current (if shorted or loaded) with no voltage. Impedance matching is definitely worth exploring - especially in the case of connecting it to a HHO cell with a specific impedance (mainly capacitive).

So to sum up parameters that should theoretically affect reproducability and resulting characteristics:

1. Order the wire strands
2. Connect them in the same order sequence.
3. Use same wire thickness and insulation.
4. Put on the same number of turns per unit of length - or measure the interwinding capacitance to have the same values.
5. Use the same fixture to have the same inter-cable distance and wire length.

Will be Building one soon. Too bad I don't have access to a real Network analyzer (yet..) ;-)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jrodney55 on June 7th, 2016, 06:39 PM
Hey Russ & All - great work so far - looking forward to seeing you finish & fire this thing up.

I picked up a little program called KnotPlot - creates all kinds of torus knots, braids, chains, etc. Trying to figure out how to use it. Not sure if it can calculate lengths - don't think so - but could be useful.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 07:24 PM
wow Jim, that's a really cool program. is it a free program?

@1:12 min

https://youtu.be/6suBqQu975I?t=4338

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 08:09 PM
not that this is that helpful but its interesting, resistance or coil dezighn? i ether way 5 1/2 hrs run time compared to 10 min is a segnicifent result...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxZWUNC3fsg

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 08:11 PM
http://www.knotplot.com/download/
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 08:13 PM
Quote from Viking on June 7th, 2016, 02:06 AM
Looking good guys,

I think I'll print one too. Having only just recently studied the Rodin coil, it appears to me that it has the same counter-acting principle like many other OU devices - like the Stanley Meyer VIC transformer and coils. He seemingly used more or less conventional winding patterns and a thin ferrite core (for the transformer). But the purpose was the same, generate opposing magnetic fields that create that bubble of energy. In the Rodin coil it seems the current in the two windings go in opposite directions and so the magnetic fields also counter each other. When measuring the inductace of L1, one should see a drop in inductance when L2 is shorted and vice-versa. Since there's no core, the general level of inductance should be low. The capacitance between the turns is also low so one would expect to see "high" parallel and series resonant frequencies. But perhaps that's why the external cap before the rectifier is needed to push down the resonance to the audio range.
We need to put a network analyser on one of those rodin coils. Also mapping the magnetic and possibly electric field (intensity) by scanning it with a hall probe controlled by a 3D printer type of machine would be interesting. It may also be possible to build a model and to do a simulation of the electromagnetics... but most likely one would see there's a pinch of the fields in the middle of it.
A test or even a scan with an accelerometer would also be interesting...
Being a mainly a HHO guy, I'd like to see this coil running a HHO cell. I guess it has to be in the "bubble" and then run by high voltage (the Rodin coil can generate a high voltage..) Remember all the millions of cars and gas/oil heater systems - how are we going to replace those..? we need the HHO systems too.
that sure is interesting how the energy transfers to a " nested vorticy" 

good stuff, if there is something to see i think we will find it...

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 08:46 PM
coil extracted from video , its quite twisted! so the wires on this coil are very twisted, i'm sure there is an optimal twist... but for now we don't have that...

so im going to twist some up tonight... ill be thinking about the proper twist if we look at the math... its fractal... but how much...
 
this photo shows about 1 turn / "

so if we have 25 feet of wire, we need 300 turns...
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 7th, 2016, 09:40 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 08:46 PM
coil extracted from video ,
I did not see the crisscross winding in this picture, but your picture clearly shows it.

So how do we wind a crisscross pattern and where does L1/L2 go?

Is 007's coil pretty much identical to Daniel's except for the six shorted windings?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 09:56 PM
Quote from Matt Watts on June 7th, 2016, 09:40 PM
I did not see the crisscross winding in this picture, but your picture clearly shows it.

So how do we wind a crisscross pattern and where does L1/L2 go?

Is 007's coil pretty much identical to Daniel's except for the six shorted windings?
Crap. I'm sorry. No it's not crossed. I was just using it for refernce.

However. Manny cools need time explored.

I'm about to start twisting wire. Need to calulate the wire twist. How Manny extra feed doni need of I do 1twist per inch.

Feels to much. Might do only 250 turns or somthing.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 10:02 PM
we are live: http://rwgresearch.com/live
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 7th, 2016, 11:32 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 09:56 PM
Crap. I'm sorry. No it's not crossed. I was just using it for refernce.
Good thing.  I was worried.  I like how you wound the toroid with the power cord.  I sure hope that's how it will be with the final configuration.
Quote from ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 09:56 PM
I'm about to start twisting wire. Need to calulate the wire twist. How Manny extra feed doni need of I do 1twist per inch.

Feels to much. Might do only 250 turns or somthing.
I think 1 turn per inch is WAY too tight.  You'll bust the enamel off for sure.  I would not go beyond 1 turn per three inches initially unless you have some very strong and flexible coating on the wires.  So 100 turns for 300 inches of wire.  If I'm wrong, you can always pull it off and spin another 50 turns and try again.

The other thing that will help immensely is to spin the wire vertically.  No, you do not need a tower, but if you have one, that makes life a piece of cake.  Without a tower, you will have to spin the wire in sections using round rubber clamps with an external drive mechanism.  Might be a bearcat to do this properly.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: AcidByte on June 7th, 2016, 11:49 PM
i can't wait to build this. this was on my list to do!
thank you guys for sharing the coil form.
saves me a lot of time in 3ds max.... :)
BIG THUMPS UP to matt watts for the design.
as i see the picture from russ.
she really is a beauty!!
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Gunther Rattay on June 8th, 2016, 01:20 AM
Quote from ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 08:09 PM
not that this is that helpful but its interesting, resistance or coil dezighn? i ether way 5 1/2 hrs run time compared to 10 min is a segnicifent result...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxZWUNC3fsg

~Russ
there should be a way to calculate the initial charge of the capacitor and charge losses of the plain capacitor over time, calculate maximum power available from that charge and measure real power consumed over time for the led and the transistor and the wire ...

... and then calculate the difference :)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 02:17 AM
well. I'm tired. Its 2am. But it's done

I'm thinking something not quite right with the wire. If 007 said 15 ohms. I'm not sure where he got that.

Any how. This is 22awg. 28 feet 12 pair bundle.

230 twist. It un twisted 18 times. So we are left with 212 ish turns. Lets make It 210.

The wire shrink 4.5"

So we are left with 27feet7.5inches

That's 331.5 inches.

That's
0.6334841629
Turns per inch.

Anymore and it's a bit to much. Wires wanted to do funny things if I had gone more.

All wires must have same tension or loops will form.

You can see some in my photos.

Well it's 2:15. I'm showering. Lol. So here you go.

We need to think about the ohms. We know the wire length now.

Also there is an art to winding thses things. But. I have 1 under my belt. :)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 02:24 AM
:cool:
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 02:26 AM
:huh:
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 02:30 AM
:D
2:28. I'm so tired.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: alloytam on June 8th, 2016, 03:39 AM
cool man,
finally did it!!!
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: AcidByte on June 8th, 2016, 03:46 AM
Quote from ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 12:00 PM
Good work Matt. Those look good. !

Also the extra holes in the ring you should add as well as a center one in the former really make it nice to zip tie like I did... Sure. Glue. I know.

Any how. Good guesses guys. Vac cord is 30 foot.

Real mesurment is. 293.2"

So if we make our wire 25 feet we should have enugh to still work with on the ends.

However. We must include the twist.

 I'm still calulating the number of tunrs per inch for the wire.



So we need like 26-27 feet the twist will shrink the length some amount.

So 27 foot x 12 for L1 and the same for L2

 324Foot. For each coil.

A lot less wire than I thought.

It sure puts a smile on my face to look at that coil. Its neet to see a torus come out of this simple jig.

~Russ
324Foot. For each coil.

is that 324 foot for the 24 strained coil (do this twice and you have the full coil)
or is that 324 foot a strain?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: AcidByte on June 8th, 2016, 03:50 AM
Quote from ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 02:30 AM
:D
2:28. I'm so tired.
doesnt your second coil suppose to go the otherway?

http://nebula.wsimg.com/obj/OTI4M0Y1QjI5QTJERUY0Q0I5M0Q6ZjZlZWMxMTgwNjI5MDQyMmE0ZTY3Y2NlYjNjZGI3YzY6Ojo6OjA=

or are you trying a different design?

props on the build anyway!
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 8th, 2016, 06:36 AM
russ youre an animal. nice work !
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 8th, 2016, 06:53 AM
i understand fretting about the wire twist dynamics.....sort of. if it ends up being pointed at as a weak spot in the build it will be very discouraging....i mean.....should the enamel on the wire also follow some sort of molded spin? where does the practical stop and the imagination begin?
also, the direction the wire is spun.....if it is twisted the wrong way is that going to impact performance?

anyways , i look forward to exploring these questions soon.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 07:12 AM
https://youtu.be/bBmTJ0Xh6tc
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 8th, 2016, 11:57 AM
Also on it now. Three forms printed now. Not perfect looking but it will do.

Got equipment to measure LCR, QD etc at 100Hz-10KHz as well as impedance and phase (via waveform gen and scope) from 0 to 1 MHz.
Audio amp is ready as well as other square wave drivers/waveform generators. HHO cell is also standing by, waiting to become alive .. :-O
I hope we get some details from "007" soon.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 03:36 PM
Probes are in.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 03:48 PM
Quote from Viking on June 8th, 2016, 11:57 AM
Also on it now. Three forms printed now. Not perfect looking but it will do.

Got equipment to measure LCR, QD etc at 100Hz-10KHz as well as impedance and phase (via waveform gen and scope) from 0 to 1 MHz.
Audio amp is ready as well as other square wave drivers/waveform generators. HHO cell is also standing by, waiting to become alive .. :-O
I hope we get some details from "007" soon.
alright! looking good! ( nice delta) :)

what kind of amp do you have? whats the driver circuit?

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 04:43 PM
ok i extracted some coil I'm mages from the BEM footage,

can some one with Photoshop skills try to over lay my coil make them transparent so we can see how different thy are? if some one starts this task can they please tel me they are working on it,  would be nice :)

Thanks!!

~Russ

 
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jrodney55 on June 8th, 2016, 05:06 PM
Russ your coil looks kick ass!! I'll see if I can do the photo overlay for you.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 8th, 2016, 05:26 PM
taking a quick look, i notice tons of kinks and irregularities in his coil....yours looks more uniform by far
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 8th, 2016, 05:47 PM
The only thing I notice is your coil looks larger than 007's.  I tend to wonder if the 27cm/9cm dimensions were really correct.  Maybe all the way to edge of his bobbins, but surely not to the centerlines where the wire actually sits.

If you had one of those exact same current loops, I'd like to see how it looks on your coil compared to his.


Also, do we have a handle on the resistance?  Just going to run it as is and see what happens?


One other thing...

If your coil is too perfect, please don't blow yourself up at home.   ;)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jrodney55 on June 8th, 2016, 06:27 PM
Russ - here are a couple of comparison images - side by side & transparent overlay from similar angle. I reversed your image as they are wound opposite directions. Otherwise amazingly close.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 8th, 2016, 06:30 PM
Quote from jrodney55 on June 8th, 2016, 06:27 PM
I reversed your image as they are wound opposite directions.
Oh crap!   Russ is building an energy sucker instead of an amplifier then.    :rofl2:
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jrodney55 on June 8th, 2016, 06:35 PM
Oh no! An electromagnetic black hole!
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: brunozr on June 8th, 2016, 07:09 PM
Hy warriors
I tried this on pixlr.com
Maybe it helps.
Congratulations for this wonderfull work
i am with you
...from brazil.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: brunozr on June 8th, 2016, 07:18 PM
ooopsss!!!

just a little late
i ve no t seen Rodney reply...


Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 07:42 PM
Well. Amp and wire are in.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 08:28 PM
Well. Crap. Lol. I'm going to be exploading stuff. Lol.

For now. Is it invert and flip my immage and it will be the right direction. Them overlay it again. Please.

That's a nice over lay from both of you. :)  thank you. !!!!

Guess I'll be rewinding my coil. Lol.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 08:30 PM
I guess the lab is stocked and ready.

For some reason I thought if I fliped the coil it would be the oppisit direction. Lol. Oh well.

That is strange. I member going the right direction. Lol
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 08:45 PM
The good news is that I now have the 23 awg. So im going to radio this coil tonight. I'm going to calculate out the ohms and see if I can match 15 ohms. I feel it needs to be 12 wires on each. So 24 x2.

This makes 6 "cools"  ???

I don't known. But the thickness of the wire and the ohms concern me. Guess it's better to have more wire then not enigh. ??

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 8th, 2016, 09:21 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 08:45 PM
I don't known. But the thickness of the wire and the ohms concern me. Guess it's better to have more wire then not enigh. ??
It won't help you 3DP guys, but I can certainly make a CNC version that is much bigger--12 inch ring and 9 inch bobbins.  You'll need some wire for that monster, which will bring the resistance up.  Could easily get the 36 bobbins holes for the gap that we are supposed to have too.

Has Marko given any reason why this coil can't scale up?

I haven't ordered the plastic yet--considering using 3/16th instead.  Just finished producing the G-code which should take much less time to run and cut all the parts.  Pretty certain I can have everything done in an evening.

Let me know if you think I should deviate from 007's version.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 8th, 2016, 09:44 PM
Some videos to think about as you poor the juice to this device:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiJqlnWTK7w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsU-IdHNlaw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIX3gNR-PBs

Cheers!
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jrodney55 on June 8th, 2016, 10:38 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 08:28 PM
For now. Is it invert and flip my immage and it will be the right direction.

Guess I'll be rewinding my coil. Lol.
Russ I said "wound opposite directions" but that may not be correct. Following the wires around from left to right, the wires on his curve around top to bottom, where yours go around bottom to top. It may not make any difference at all. The geometry is the same.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 12:46 AM
Good stuf Matt. I have watched those. But I could use a refresher. :) 

Right jim. I just wanted to see it visually. To see the wire size mainly. See if we are way off or not.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 12:55 AM
Ok. So thses photos are of the restance of each additive "loop" on the toris.

Starting with one loop. Then conecting that one to a nother in series. And so on.

I have to have at least 4 ohms or it will ruin the amp.

So that is basically 8 "loops" . Then that only leaves me with 2 "loops" for shorting.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 01:03 AM
Now the interesting part.

When mesuring resistance. Across the finals 8 series "primary" L1 we get about 4.2 ohms.

This is good throughs the ranges 1k-10k

But when we shout the other 2 loops we get a rize in resistance.

The 1k and the 10k are dermaticaly diffrent

So the photos are open 1k.
Closed 1k
Closed 10k
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 01:08 AM
Here is a single wire loop Capatance and inductance.  I just stuck with 1k for frequncy.

This meter dose funny things with the C value. Like through a - sight in there. The measurement might be wack. It all ways dose this kinda of thing. ... 
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 01:14 AM
Here are some examples of the power mesurment software. I was testing the amp with a speaker.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 01:17 AM
so the question is. Did 007 mesure the resistance of the coil with the coil shorted?

This could explain the 15 ohms.

~Russ

Ps don't forget. This is 22 awg at the moment. Everything changes with different wire. However. This gives us some ideas on what to expect.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 01:33 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on June 8th, 2016, 09:21 PM
It won't help you 3DP guys, but I can certainly make a CNC version that is much bigger--12 inch ring and 9 inch bobbins.  You'll need some wire for that monster, which will bring the resistance up.  Could easily get the 36 bobbins holes for the gap that we are supposed to have too.

Has Marko given any reason why this coil can't scale up?

I haven't ordered the plastic yet--considering using 3/16th instead.  Just finished producing the G-code which should take much less time to run and cut all the parts.  Pretty certain I can have everything done in an evening.

Let me know if you think I should deviate from 007's version.
Should b scaleable. No problem

007's is the same as daniaels. So it's a good size I think. Its just the amount of conductors that I want to change...
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 9th, 2016, 01:36 AM
Quote from ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 01:33 AM
007's is the same as daniaels. So it's a good size I think. Its just the amount of conductors that I want to change...
I'd go to 18 then and short 9 of them.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: framoro on June 9th, 2016, 05:35 AM
Pardon ..... can someone send me the frame rodin .stl
So I can print it out and try to build the coil
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 07:49 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on June 9th, 2016, 01:36 AM
I'd go to 18 then and short 9 of them.
23awg?

Or you mean to get 1/2 the wires for a 4 ohm load... Yeah.

For 22 awg that sounds good.

I'll have to calulate for the 23 awg. But it still "looks" like 007 wire bundle is bigger. But it can't be that he is using bigger wire. It would have to low resistance.  It has to be from adding conducters to get 1/2 and 1/2 for the "copper core"   

I still say we can just add a big single conducter at the core of need be. Is we can do parallel
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 9th, 2016, 08:57 AM
Quote from ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 07:49 AM
I still say we can just add a big single conducter at the core of need be. Is we can do parallel
i was wondering about this as well. currently my L1 is 24 strands of 28awg but i wanted to throw 1 or 2 strands of 22awg in for the 'core'. i can already tell that ill be making a second coil at some point as well.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 09:55 AM
Quote from jeremy gwilt on June 9th, 2016, 08:57 AM
i was wondering about this as well. currently my L1 is 24 strands of 28awg but i wanted to throw 1 or 2 strands of 22awg in for the 'core'. i can already tell that ill be making a second coil at some point as well.
here is a something that will boggle your mined...

i have always been putting real " copper cores" in my VBM coils...

this is the last coil i make years ago... it has 2 "copper cores" you can see looking in to the hole... ( don't ask me how i got it in there :)

point is i was using it differently, but that's in its self is quite interesting that i was kind on the right path... coincidence... i don't think so.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 9th, 2016, 10:01 AM
i remember the huge extra coil in your pulse motor one year that you said you hadnt even used. i have a vision of you playing one of those little snake charmer horns while the coil wraps itself  :D
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 9th, 2016, 10:59 AM
Quote from ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 07:49 AM
I still say we can just add a big single conducter at the core of need be. Is we can do parallel
IMHO, Negative.

Think about the stuff we learned from Dale Pond (Sympathetic Vibration).  Each strand of wire is acting like a guitar string and they are all resonating at approximately the same frequency, because of their length, thickness and tension.  If you change any one of those factors, you will have to perfectly hit on a harmonic or the effect will be gone.

So to me, adding more conductors is fine, but all the conductors must be as identical to each other as possible.  The half-n-half aspect of the copper core probably has to do with how the Lenz Law effect gets phase shifted out of our way.  I think 007 figured this out.  I also think the number of conductors we use should be a count divisible by both 2 and 3, which is why I suggested 18.

VBM:
  12 = 3
  15 = 6
  18 = 9

15 is out because we cannot split it evenly, but it may work with splitting 9 for the coil; 6 for the copper core.  I have no idea what effect this kind of configuration would do.  Maybe someone would like to try it and see.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 9th, 2016, 11:22 AM
The other thing I would like to mention based on the work TheOldScientist did and the fact that 007 used a high voltage input (customized) power supply is:  The output of this device will charge capacitors like crazy.  There are probably some kind of energy spikes coming out of this thing we may not even be able to measure.  This is happening even though the input looks to be mostly all reactive power cycling between the coil and the amplifier.  What I'm saying is purely speculation, but having studied the Russian devices for as long as I have, I can see similarities in behavior.

I also suspect a lossless clamps driver circuit may be ideal for energizing this device since it recovers almost all the reactive power without resistive components dissipating heat.  It's a rather unique circuit all on its own and proven to be very effective and almost indestructible.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Gunther Rattay on June 9th, 2016, 12:22 PM
Is there a circuit diagram for that project available?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 12:27 PM
Quote from Matt Watts on June 9th, 2016, 11:22 AM
the fact that 007 used a high voltage input (customized) power supply
from what i seen, the only " black box" is on the output.( dc to dc converter)  the input is simply straight from the amp...
Quote from Matt Watts on June 9th, 2016, 10:59 AM
IMHO, Negative.

Think about the stuff we learned from Dale Pond (Sympathetic Vibration).  Each strand of wire is acting like a guitar string and they are all resonating at approximately the same frequency, because of their length, thickness and tension.  If you change any one of those factors, you will have to perfectly hit on a harmonic or the effect will be gone.

So to me, adding more conductors is fine, but all the conductors must be as identical to each other as possible.  The half-n-half aspect of the copper core probably has to do with how the Lenz Law effect gets phase shifted out of our way.  I think 007 figured this out.  I also think the number of conductors we use should be a count divisible by both 2 and 3, which is why I suggested 18.

VBM:
  12 = 3
  15 = 6
  18 = 9

15 is out because we cannot split it evenly, but it may work with splitting 9 for the coil; 6 for the copper core.  I have no idea what effect this kind of configuration would do.  Maybe someone would like to try it and see.
yeah i can see this as an answer. however I'm not sure if it madders. only testing will tell...

good new is that 007 is now linked... talking to him shortly ( i hope)

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 12:28 PM
Quote from Gunther Rattay on June 9th, 2016, 12:22 PM
Is there a circuit diagram for that project available?
or the PCB and BOM?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 9th, 2016, 02:27 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 12:28 PM
or the PCB and BOM?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0nfcBpbhqg

Based on the schematic I posted above originally from Verpies.

Notice Itsu can run this driver with no heatsinks on the MOSFETs--the reason being the lossless clamps capture and reuse all the reflected energy instead of frying the silicon or dumping it into resistive clamps.

What I'm getting at is this circuit connected to a decent size nanocrystaline toroid core will power the Rodin Coil with ease and you can adjust the output windings on the toroid core to get a pretty decent impedance match.  Then all you will have to do is match the output impedance on the Rodin Coil to whatever it is you use to collect the output power.  I can tell you this will be much easier with the Rodin Coil than it is with the Russian Grenade coil as seen in Itsu's video.

Bottom line is:  With this circuit, you shouldn't have to worry at all what the wire resistance is of the Rodin Coil, unlike when you connect it to an audio amplifier.

I should also note, if you already have a push-pull driver, the lossless clamps circuit can be added between the push-pull output and the toroid core, which is basically what Itsu did.  All you need to really change is to use bifilar windings on the primary of the toroid core.  Simple stuff.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 9th, 2016, 02:58 PM
I agree, there are better drivers than the audio amplifier. But it's a start. I definitely also think the rodin coil principle is related to both the Russian/Kazakh coils and the Tesla Pancake coil and it's funnel/tapered shaped variant.
Most likely there can be this "cold" electricity effect, which I think is standing EM waves interacting with the ether. I'm also pretty sure that wave and ether interaction has to do with magnetic (electron) spin interaction and propagation - which in turn is the cause of the "mass" interaction that we call gravity. These spin interactions are known in ferromagnetic materials as spin waves. Stanley Meyer refers to it in his docs and therefore it presumably plays a very important part in getting the HHO cell running, like we see demonstrated by thewaterenergy1 on youtube. They seem to have spent a huge amount of money and hundreds if not thousands of hours of work on it. So I think they definitely are for real - although at the moment they have gone "black" :-o
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: brunozr on June 9th, 2016, 05:04 PM
Hi friends
I am finishing to build my first bedinisg accordiing to beginners manual.
I am also starting to reproduce this rodin coil but I don't understand how this amplifier works as a driver and why.
Could someone explain me in simple terms? I am  really a beginner. ..
Thank you.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 9th, 2016, 05:11 PM
i am almost finished printing my coilform. if anybody close to me (alberta canada) wants a set printed, shoot me a line at jeremygwilt@gmail.com and we can work out shipping details.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 10th, 2016, 08:55 AM
a little bit of tweaking and cleaning things up then im ready to start testing  :)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Gunther Rattay on June 10th, 2016, 09:17 AM
Quote from ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 12:28 PM
or the PCB and BOM?
it starts with a schematic how all components are wired, what voltages are used etc.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 10th, 2016, 09:21 AM
pg 3 and 4 of this thread have the .stl files and page 5 has some more for CNC
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 10th, 2016, 09:30 AM
Looking goood.. We need to make those diode/SCR plugs to hookup to the secondary...
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 10th, 2016, 10:38 AM
Nice work Jeremy!

that hot glue will melt... put some zip ties around that baby, how i did it seemed to work well.

nice work!!!

~Russ

PS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obvmC5gvlqo
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 10th, 2016, 01:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmGnvaYgIjg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kg-Wyqzk1Q
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: AcidByte on June 10th, 2016, 02:27 PM
Thank you matt watts for the great model file :)
its a little bit rough but its fine for me :) (rough i think because of the printer)
hope i will be printing all night :)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 10th, 2016, 03:55 PM
Quote from AcidByte on June 10th, 2016, 02:27 PM
(https://photos-5.dropbox.com/t/2/AADinhv3TvYXBOEvk2kUBQJtuYcwZmPk4lXIVgp6OYZ_ag/12/89111317/jpeg/32x32/1/_/1/2/20160610_232258.jpg/EIySp0UYyA8gAigC/3kpTO-XHdFE2K_4BZMkjismvurZf2v3QhVEv0T4zf7Q%2CRARDw9VrhzsUTavr9WvTxP-6RnbLXZiEU36h8uSFLSY?size=1600x1200&size_mode=3)

Thank you matt watts for the great model file :)
its a little bit rough but its fine for me :) (rough i think because of the printer)
hope i will be printing all night :)
what version are you using?
also, please attache the photos here on the thread,  that's best. else we get a lot of broken links.

thanks!
~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: AcidByte on June 10th, 2016, 05:52 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 10th, 2016, 03:55 PM
what version are you using?
also, please attache the photos here on the thread,  that's best. else we get a lot of broken links.

thanks!
~Russ
This is former 8
also finished printing ring 10
got alot of printing left lol

ok i will :)

jeroen
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 10th, 2016, 07:39 PM
Hello all.
How is that coil supposed to be wired ? It's pretty unclear what 007 meant and he obviously didn't want to make it clearer. Did he ever send a drawing as he said he would ?
Am I right in assuming that all the individual strands, which are really windings, counteract each other - meaning that the current flows back in the opposite direction all the time ?
In total that would, at low frequencies, or at least out of resonance, give ZERO ampere-turns, while the current loop meter showed 2160 A with 0.8 A on L1.. ho hum.. ;-)
Also what about the shorted 6 wires in L1 and L2 (L1 and L2 are supposed to be the same). Are they just left connected in parallel (not shorted) or could they be part of the L1/L2 series circuit ?
It's pretty impossible to figure out for certain what he said and it's pretty hard to see the detailed wiring in the video..
Any ideas ?

Anyway there definitely are standing waves in this coil, otherwise it would not read 2160 A with counteracting turns. So that means wire length and interwinding capacitance is important parameters as well as using the right exitation frequency (the external cap has to match that too..).
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 11th, 2016, 01:33 AM
Quote from Viking on June 10th, 2016, 07:39 PM
How is that coil supposed to be wired ?
I think pretty close to the way you have it.  Each bundle like below, with the start/finish swapped between L1 and L2.

My speculation is that the position of the nodes in the standing wave determine the level of amplification.  Which you may translate into:  There may be more than one way to wire this device to properly match the load you attach it to.

With the capacitor on the output side and the interwinding capacitance of the conductors themselves, you will in effect get an LC tank inside another LC tank--one running at a much higher frequency than the other.  The goal here IMHO is to actually put the carrier frequency on top of the lower signal frequency--reversed of typical Amplitude Modulation.  I've seen many Russian experimenters doing this.  Here's one example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa30TbM6wak

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 11th, 2016, 07:15 AM
Does anyone know why
http://www.rodincoillabs.com and
http://www.markorodin.com is not working ?
Is it on purpose or is it being CENSURED ?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Volty on June 11th, 2016, 09:17 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on June 5th, 2016, 01:22 PM
Attached Ring #11 with corrected tab inset.  The "A" version is a fix-up by 3D Builder, only use it if the non-"A" version doesn't work.


I'm just glad you didn't suffer a major setback being burned out of your house.

With enough of us onboard, (edit paraphrase - 'The Lord rebuke them')

Great job guys!

M@
Hi Matt and Russ, 

Can you please post these drawings in pdf form?  If you already know a way to translate stp or stl files into Adobe.ai, please point me to it?  In any case, we cannot see any dimensions.  You guys are way advanced and funded.  My shop is the dining room table, upstairs renting.

i see laser cut Instructable on how to make an Adobe.ai file for laser cutting services.  http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-create-a-laser-cut-file-in-Illustrator/

Thank you for sharing your files and learning.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 11th, 2016, 11:42 AM
Quote from Volty on June 11th, 2016, 09:17 AM
Can you please post these drawings in pdf form?  If you already know a way to translate stp or stl files into Adobe.ai, please point me to it?  In any case, we cannot see any dimensions.  You guys are way advanced and funded.  My shop is the dining room table, upstairs renting.

i see laser cut Instructable on how to make an Adobe.ai file for laser cutting services.  http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-create-a-laser-cut-file-in-Illustrator/
Since I have the original IronCAD drawings, can you list what formats your laser cutting software can import?   I can export to lots of different output formats.  I also recommend using one of my CNC drawing versions for laser cutting,

Attached is the 2D PDF and DXF formats.  I did not put dimensions on there.  They are however to scale.

Hopefully one of those will be helpful.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Adirondacks4me on June 11th, 2016, 12:12 PM
This is too hard
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 11th, 2016, 02:02 PM
Quote from Viking on June 10th, 2016, 07:39 PM
Hello all.
How is that coil supposed to be wired ? It's pretty unclear what 007 meant and he obviously didn't want to make it clearer. Did he ever send a drawing as he said he would ?
Am I right in assuming that all the individual strands, which are really windings, counteract each other - meaning that the current flows back in the opposite direction all the time ?
In total that would, at low frequencies, or at least out of resonance, give ZERO ampere-turns, while the current loop meter showed 2160 A with 0.8 A on L1.. ho hum.. ;-)
Also what about the shorted 6 wires in L1 and L2 (L1 and L2 are supposed to be the same). Are they just left connected in parallel (not shorted) or could they be part of the L1/L2 series circuit ?
It's pretty impossible to figure out for certain what he said and it's pretty hard to see the detailed wiring in the video..
Any ideas ?

Anyway there definitely are standing waves in this coil, otherwise it would not read 2160 A with counteracting turns. So that means wire length and interwinding capacitance is important parameters as well as using the right exitation frequency (the external cap has to match that too..).
good job,

some kind of schematics,

basically that's correct, the only thing ( maybe its marked) but the L1 series as well as L2 all go the same direction. in your schematic there going back and forth? i think they should so all in a " loop" and not a "canceling" mode... or maybe i'm wrong... bucking coils?

and yes, parallel shorted coils... as long as each L1 and L2 are the same.  1:1 even in the shored coils we should be good.

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 11th, 2016, 02:04 PM
Quote from Adirondacks4me on June 11th, 2016, 12:12 PM
This is too hard
lol just sit back and enjoy the show :) hehe

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 11th, 2016, 03:00 PM
Does anyone know an antenna design guy that can take a look at this antenna / elaborate transmission line design ?
Would be helpfull with some input from somone that is experienced in that specific world of black magic.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 11th, 2016, 05:53 PM
Hello All,
Reviewing the 007 demo (who was "Q" in that one :P): 007 says that apart from the 2x6 "shorted" strands, the rest "is pretty much like Daniel", which when reviwing his (their) youtube videos show that the coil is continued (and not going back or opposing).
There is a lot of ampere*turns missing, which could be running in the 2x6 strains if they are really shorted.See enclosed drawing.
Also enclosed is a quick sketchup and calculation of the Q value, judging from the measured increase in voltage at the output, Q is 4.7 - which is on the average.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 11th, 2016, 08:00 PM
Quote from Viking on June 11th, 2016, 03:00 PM
Does anyone know an antenna design guy that can take a look at this antenna / elaborate transmission line design ?
Would be helpfull with some input from somone that is experienced in that specific world of black magic.
yeah anyone in in that impedance matching and everything else complicated could join that would be amazing...
Quote from Viking on June 11th, 2016, 05:53 PM
Hello All,
Reviewing the 007 demo (who was "Q" in that one :P): 007 says that apart from the 2x6 "shorted" strands, the rest "is pretty much like Daniel", which when reviwing his (their) youtube videos show that the coil is continued (and not going back or opposing).
There is a lot of ampere*turns missing, which could be running in the 2x6 strains if they are really shorted.See enclosed drawing.
Also enclosed is a quick sketchup and calculation of the Q value, judging from the measured increase in voltage at the output, Q is 4.7 - which is on the average.
please help us non electronic guys understand why the Q is important. what is the Q and why do we care :)

i know we talked about it but 99% of us here have know idea...

nice calculations

~Russ 
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Adirondacks4me on June 11th, 2016, 11:49 PM
This is a quick CB radio calibration with a SWR meter... The lower the SWR reading after calibrating the closer you are to resonant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​jRWKZskxcs0 So you would hook the SWR up in series with your antenna feed line...
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Adirondacks4me on June 11th, 2016, 11:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRWKZskxcs0
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 12th, 2016, 02:07 AM
Goood stuff. I have an SWR meter. I wonder what frequency is was...

Also I had some results today. I believe I was seeing the results that 007 was seeing with the LED bulbs. And I seems that yes. There is a meter trick. But there is more to the story.  We have some work ahead of us.

Long story short. Its all about the power factor. When my video gets done il post it so everyone can see what I see and tell me if I'm musing something or what. 

For now. This is a great way to understand the basics of power factor.
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/calculating-power-factor/
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 12th, 2016, 09:00 AM
Here's a PDF with some of the concepts and math about parallel and series resonance and the Q value.
Q is a Quality factor. It's the fraction of stored energy in a system to the amount of energy lost per cycle. So what we want is negative Q's :-)
Q is defined for inductors, capacitors and LCR systems. It also exist when talking about other systems than the electric ones.

Another concept to be aware of, are the concepts of the frequency contents of a waveform. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_series
For.example a 50% duty square wave have odd harmonics contained within it. If it has a basic frequency of X Khz, it also has 3X, 5X, 7X etc. components of decreasing amplitude (same factor). If the duty is not 50% there will be even frequency components as well.

Secondly one has to know something about the propagation of waves in transmission lines, which are conductors with a distrubuted inductance and capacitance (meaning they have a L and C per length - like the vortex coil). The interesting cases are the cases where standing waves are occurring, as they can increase the energy contents like the RLC circuits and have peaks and nodes where current flow is maxium and zero and the same for the potential difference (voltage) though not in the same positions. It also creates interesting discontinuities at the ends of the transmission line, like when moving a whip to make a cracking sound.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_line


Finally the concept of impedance matching, which is another word for obtainig the resonant condition,which is also the condition for maxmum energy transfer between systems. Those concepts are generally used in any system where waves occur.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impedance_matching

There's of course lot's more..
But have in the back of our minds, that our general taught concept of what electrons are, how they flow through wires and how induction really works, is most likely fundamentally wrong. That's why we don't know what the origin of gravity is (well some do..) and why things have mass. We don't understand the concept of time either. We are told (..) that time is not really progressing linearly, but to us it appears so. It is more of a type of field, like electric and magnetic fields. We also don't know how the atoms really work.. Hurray !! ;-)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 12th, 2016, 01:18 PM
ok, have a watch, give thoughts, i now have the analog meters in so we can see what they say...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNgnHnXvjbw

close up scope shots at about 2:10  however to understand what i was doing watch the hole thing.

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Volty on June 12th, 2016, 02:35 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 12th, 2016, 02:07 AM
Goood stuff. I have an SWR meter. I wander what frequncy is was...

Also I had some results today. I beleive I was seeing theresluts that 007 was seeing with the LED bulbs. And I seems that yes. There is a meter trick. But there is more to the story.  We have some work ahead of us.

Long story short. Its all aboit the powefactor. When my video gets done il post it so everyone can see what I see and tell me if I'm musing somthing or what. 

For now. This is a greate way to understand the basics of power factor.
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/calculating-power-factor/
Hi Russ and All,
   Clarify please: 
-Are the rev 11 Coil Former / 12 wires of 22 AWG Final?   

-007 got 15 Ohms shorted or not and why can't you just ask him?   http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37169#msg37169

 -Matt still advises 18 strands so they could be divided evenly, all to satisfy the needy Audio Amp's 4 Ohms Minimum need, else this Lossless Clamps schematic because it cares not about Ohms of the Load? 
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37239#msg37239

These former files are for 12 strands of 22 AWG?:

-stl's files on Pg 4:  (A new friend here may be able to print me some)
   http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37130#msg37130 (rev 11 stl's)
   http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37138#msg37138 (3D pdf Thanks Matt)

-stk CnC's files on Pg 5:
   http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37169#msg37169

-dxf Laser cut files here Pg 8:  (I sent a couple RFQ's to San Jose area shops for masonite or acrylic cutting)
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37266#msg37266

different size poe Large Coil Form from 1Stop:
http://1stopenergies.com/t/frames

Chris Sykes $9 recommended low-cost Audio Amplifier OK???
   Info Source:  https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjohPzKoqPNAhVG-2MKHf3cCeMQFgghMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hyiq.org%2Fdownloads%2Fguidelines%2520to%2520Bucking%2520Coils.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGg_icJWzYEq7DYzzNBlOyUPbTIJw&sig2=Jfymrt9ps1ByJB6HZ3GnVQ

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-180W-180W-2CH-12V-Small-Stereo-Audio-High-Power-Car-Amplifier-for-CD-MP3-/231972966569?hash=item3602aa90a9:g:5sIAAOSwgQ9VpdGs

   This LvPin unit's Spec's are:   
Features
    Weight: 250g
    Size: 6" x 4" x2"
Specifications
    Power output: 180W
    Input voltage: 12V-18V DC
    Output impedance: 4ohm-8ohm
    Frequency response: 100Hz - 20kHz
    S/N: 85dB
    T.H.D: 1%

Russ your last post says results are like 007 LED resistive LEDload, and you can see this is about power factor, PF.  Everyone please study these two lessons from Luc.

Note where in these two videos how to see the Volts Vs. Amps on the Scope using a 0.1 Ohm resistor. Luc Choquette shows his motor running itself on reactive power in Part 2.  Note the parabolic return as Voltage increases.
   From 110VAC he harvests 20 Watts, from 220VAC he harvests 90 Watts, and he says we need a generator od 600VAC and we are talking some practical PF harvesting indeed.   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hr2C1vvvx4 <--Reactive Generator Tutorial Demo 1
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6SaAjQaLkM <--Reactive Generator Tutorial Demo 2
 US smart Power Meters cheat us by always charging PF = 1.0.  This will help those turning their own generators though.


   About Q, when looking for max amplitude resonance, low Q is where it is hard to see that peak amplitude at resonance.  It barley changes.  With one toroidal "Loop" of wire, it is so so, BUT with an adjacent identical conductor, stacked above, not even connected, the Q rises exponentially, and resonance point becomes profound, sudden, and massive easy tuning to find it. 
   This is why twin lead is used as a Magnetic Pick-up for an O Scope to actually see inside the coil length.  A single wire coiled into a pancake will NOT drive your O'SCope.  A twin lead will, where you use a length rolled up into a double layer Cinnamon Roll, and connect to the outside of just one lead, the other totally floating replicates the adjacent pulsating or resonating magnetic field, without loading the source, and vica-versa...  The unconnected half of the twin lead amplifies itself into the twin with one end connected to the scope.  If you drive an open-ended long solenoid coil with impulses, you can use this pick-up to see the impulses at one one turn into perfect Sine Wave 1/4 wave resonance at the other end.  Perpendicular wires on a toroid allow it to operate as a TMT, with adjacent segments driving for free across the toroid, and can be undulated to make it rotate with 3 phase timing and an even number of segments.  Doing these things i saw only certain integer number of Sine nodes can exist in a toroid, and is also why Electron orbits snap to sudden different radius, as they travel in Sinusoidal pattern, and only integers fit it.  Only certain frequencies will fit a toroid's circumference.  Those long wires outside the torus may be an issue.  The parallel shorts are one length, but the series connected are another length just by how much is inside the torus and how much is hanging outside for connections purposes, way long and concerning me.

Driving tpu open ended torus coil segments this way is how i learned CCW coil winding needed for Northern Hemisphere, as in Steven Marks.  Driving the CCW end yields Unity voltage across the ring.  Driving the CW end, letting the CCW end wag like a stick, yields massive gain.  Go figure why our toilets flush one rotation only.  A 5V p-p square wave open ended drive of that BB style MicroMetals core tpu into the CW end of a CCW segment yields 600V p-p across the ring at f-res x1.0.  At f-res x 1.5, that segment across the ring turns off and both its neighbors resonate for free at this voltage and higher, open-ended, but at 1.5X f-resonance, this is Scalar resonance and not Faraday shield-able, and is also BOGO or buy one get two free, that will get you found and punished, just because they can.  Note the Earth resonates at 7.8 Hz, and the ionosphere at 11.7, exactly 1.5X difference between the two resonance behaviors seen in a toroid with perpendicular wires.  HAARP is not Faraday shield-able either.  Perpendicular wires couple only the Capacitive, the impulse or overshoot, the scalar component.  Parallel wires couple inductively.  45 degree rotation may be a worthy adjustable LC tuning method...  I notice the POE is perpendicular.  If you make that magnetic pick-up, stick in in a bean can and rest it on the coil, you see the whole square wave.  When you ground that can, the overshoot at rising and falling edges, the impulses you will see are NOT Faraday shield-able.  They pass right through the grounded can centered on 0V, and the rest of the square wave disappears because this portion is Faraday shield-able.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 13th, 2016, 09:45 AM
for my part, i have started driving L1 with a square wave oscillator (50% duty) and IGBT. L2 has capacitors directly across the coil to form a tank (ish ) circuit, a FWBR, 2200uf cap and LED load.
by adjusting the tank capacitance and frequency, i have started tuning until L2 has a nice clean sine wave across it (point of resonance). this is just to start a baseline for myself, and give others a point to go from. once i get a bunch of data , i will start a separate thread to share it.
for example:
at 6 volts, tank capacitance is .1125uf, frequency is 9.5kHz.
12 volts,   it is .862 uf and 6.75kHz.
these could be simple harmonics of resonance.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 13th, 2016, 11:37 AM
more testing, first video is jsut me making the LED load banks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ19koKrrFI

the second one is me testing some ideas with the LED banks and some other stuff with analog meters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrH0pfOUSRI

ok i defiantly demonstrated the effect of OU in that last video if you had just a scope and meters... and that's with out a load even... however the power analyzer on the scope shows another story...

what dose this mean. not sure just yet. still a lot to do and understand. if there was a way to keep this resonance going and change the phase angles it might be possible to extract some of that energy with out disrupting the system. that's what i understand the DC-DC converter did for 007. but we are not for sure at the moment.

don't forget I'm not coil shorting, and there is a piece of the key in there i believe. i need to wind another coil...

if some one goes through the videos grab some screen shots and post them with a short description on what i was doing at that time. sorry i just haven't the time to do that at the moment..

feed back please
~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 13th, 2016, 11:46 AM
Quote from Volty on June 12th, 2016, 02:35 PM
Hi Russ and All,
   Clarify please: 
-Are the rev 11 Coil Former / 12 wires of 22 AWG Final?   

-007 got 15 Ohms shorted or not and why can't you just ask him?   http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37169#msg37169

 -Matt still advises 18 strands so they could be divided evenly, all to satisfy the needy Audio Amp's 4 Ohms Minimum need, else this Lossless Clamps schematic because it cares not about Ohms of the Load? 
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37239#msg37239

These former files are for 12 strands of 22 AWG?:

-stl's files on Pg 4:  (A new friend here may be able to print me some)
   http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37130#msg37130 (rev 11 stl's)
   http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37138#msg37138 (3D pdf Thanks Matt)

-stk CnC's files on Pg 5:
   http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37169#msg37169

-dxf Laser cut files here Pg 8:  (I sent a couple RFQ's to San Jose area shops for masonite or acrylic cutting)
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37266#msg37266

different size poe Large Coil Form from 1Stop:
http://1stopenergies.com/t/frames

Chris Sykes $9 recommended low-cost Audio Amplifier OK???
   Info Source:  https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjohPzKoqPNAhVG-2MKHf3cCeMQFgghMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hyiq.org%2Fdownloads%2Fguidelines%2520to%2520Bucking%2520Coils.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGg_icJWzYEq7DYzzNBlOyUPbTIJw&sig2=Jfymrt9ps1ByJB6HZ3GnVQ

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-180W-180W-2CH-12V-Small-Stereo-Audio-High-Power-Car-Amplifier-for-CD-MP3-/231972966569?hash=item3602aa90a9:g:5sIAAOSwgQ9VpdGs

   This LvPin unit's Spec's are:   
Features
    Weight: 250g
    Size: 6" x 4" x2"
Specifications
    Power output: 180W
    Input voltage: 12V-18V DC
    Output impedance: 4ohm-8ohm
    Frequency response: 100Hz - 20kHz
    S/N: 85dB
    T.H.D: 1%

Russ your last post says results are like 007 LED resistive LEDload, and you can see this is about power factor, PF.  Everyone please study these two lessons from Luc.

Note where in these two videos how to see the Volts Vs. Amps on the Scope using a 0.1 Ohm resistor. Luc Choquette shows his motor running itself on reactive power in Part 2.  Note the parabolic return as Voltage increases.
   From 110VAC he harvests 20 Watts, from 220VAC he harvests 90 Watts, and he says we need a generator od 600VAC and we are talking some practical PF harvesting indeed.   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hr2C1vvvx4 <--Reactive Generator Tutorial Demo 1
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6SaAjQaLkM <--Reactive Generator Tutorial Demo 2
 US smart Power Meters cheat us by always charging PF = 1.0.  This will help those turning their own generators though.


   About Q, when looking for max amplitude resonance, low Q is where it is hard to see that peak amplitude at resonance.  It barley changes.  With one toroidal "Loop" of wire, it is so so, BUT with an adjacent identical conductor, stacked above, not even connected, the Q rises exponentially, and resonance point becomes profound, sudden, and massive easy tuning to find it. 
   This is why twin lead is used as a Magnetic Pick-up for an O Scope to actually see inside the coil length.  A single wire coiled into a pancake will NOT drive your O'SCope.  A twin lead will, where you use a length rolled up into a double layer Cinnamon Roll, and connect to the outside of just one lead, the other totally floating replicates the adjacent pulsating or resonating magnetic field, without loading the source, and vica-versa...  The unconnected half of the twin lead amplifies itself into the twin with one end connected to the scope.  If you drive an open-ended long solenoid coil with impulses, you can use this pick-up to see the impulses at one one turn into perfect Sine Wave 1/4 wave resonance at the other end.  Perpendicular wires on a toroid allow it to operate as a TMT, with adjacent segments driving for free across the toroid, and can be undulated to make it rotate with 3 phase timing and an even number of segments.  Doing these things i saw only certain integer number of Sine nodes can exist in a toroid, and is also why Electron orbits snap to sudden different radius, as they travel in Sinusoidal pattern, and only integers fit it.  Only certain frequencies will fit a toroid's circumference.  Those long wires outside the torus may be an issue.  The parallel shorts are one length, but the series connected are another length just by how much is inside the torus and how much is hanging outside for connections purposes, way long and concerning me.

Driving tpu open ended torus coil segments this way is how i learned CCW coil winding needed for Northern Hemisphere, as in Steven Marks.  Driving the CCW end yields Unity voltage across the ring.  Driving the CW end, letting the CCW end wag like a stick, yields massive gain.  Go figure why our toilets flush one rotation only.  A 5V p-p square wave open ended drive of that BB style MicroMetals core tpu into the CW end of a CCW segment yields 600V p-p across the ring at f-res x1.0.  At f-res x 1.5, that segment across the ring turns off and both its neighbors resonate for free at this voltage and higher, open-ended, but at 1.5X f-resonance, this is Scalar resonance and not Faraday shield-able, and is also BOGO or buy one get two free, that will get you found and punished, just because they can.  Note the Earth resonates at 7.8 Hz, and the ionosphere at 11.7, exactly 1.5X difference between the two resonance behaviors seen in a toroid with perpendicular wires.  HAARP is not Faraday shield-able either.  Perpendicular wires couple only the Capacitive, the impulse or overshoot, the scalar component.  Parallel wires couple inductively.  45 degree rotation may be a worthy adjustable LC tuning method...  I notice the POE is perpendicular.  If you make that magnetic pick-up, stick in in a bean can and rest it on the coil, you see the whole square wave.  When you ground that can, the overshoot at rising and falling edges, the impulses you will see are NOT Faraday shield-able.  They pass right through the grounded can centered on 0V, and the rest of the square wave disappears because this portion is Faraday shield-able.
hello Volty, i will study  Luc.'s work, i know he went through this type of work a while back. some good work there for sure.

on the rest of your questions i will need to sit down and try to reply to them all, but for now,

3d print former 9 is ok, we plan on making a change when time allows to make them more sturdy but they work for now,
ring 10 is solid and 11 has holes, ether one works,

Jeremy offered to sell the former's and rings at cost. just see earlier posts

as far as wire, driving circuits , coil shorting... its all up in the air at the moment.

ok, sorry i can go in to much detail at the moment. no time, but once we learn more i will post more, for now watch the live feeds videos i have been posting to get ALL i have done.

~Russ

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 13th, 2016, 01:23 PM
Russ, if you can, please add another pair of analog meters that monitor the input to your amplifier.  I'd like to see a comparison/efficiency of the amplifier itself.

Also, run all your LEDs in series if you can get enough input voltage to make them initially illuminate.

All I can think of for the moment.  Gotta run.  Be back later this evening.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: talisman on June 13th, 2016, 04:42 PM

Hi Russ

I see a sunflower pattern put in a donut shape with some standing fan screens. Just snip out the cross hatches and connect.
If a manufacturer can do this with steel they probably can with copper. I am thinking about graphite or graphene effects in the
core or coating. Anyway another day.

       
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 13th, 2016, 05:57 PM
Quote from Matt Watts on June 13th, 2016, 01:23 PM
Also, run all your LEDs in series if you can get enough input voltage to make them initially illuminate.
If this much works, I really think you should consider a light-box for power recovery until we can better understand what 007 had done to that special high voltage input PSU.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 13th, 2016, 06:12 PM
Found some interesting talks about cold electricity and a video with some advanced work and theory involving the vortex coil and tesla coils:
https://youtu.be/8Nad5NHFop4?list=UU0JxA0YuPGIELnsPi1OTOog
https://semresearch.wordpress.com/index/cold-electricity/
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jrodney55 on June 13th, 2016, 07:33 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 13th, 2016, 11:46 AM
3d print former 9 is ok, we plan on making a change when time allows to make them more sturdy but they work for now,
ring 10 is solid and 11 has holes, ether one works,
Hey Russ I'm available anytime to help you & Matt with continuing CAD design if you want - just let me know what you need.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 13th, 2016, 10:19 PM
Russ, attached are the extensions you wanted on the former bobbin.  Let me know if this is what you were thinking.

Had to zip the STL file--getting a little big with all the customizations.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 14th, 2016, 03:22 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on June 13th, 2016, 10:19 PM
Russ, attached are the extensions you wanted on the former bobbin.  Let me know if this is what you were thinking.

Had to zip the STL file--getting a little big with all the customizations.
yes Sir, that's it! that will make this a lot more stable. i wander if we should go even more... himmm, ill test this out with one and see what happens. but YES THANK YOU MATT

i will call thses the final versions and remove all the rest ( or at lease update the first post with this one it)

also, marko posted this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyR8FRXqInk

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 14th, 2016, 03:23 AM
former 10, ring 10 i think is good! ( 11 with holes is fine but i guess its better to be solid)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 14th, 2016, 03:26 AM
Quote from jrodney55 on June 13th, 2016, 07:33 PM
Hey Russ I'm available anytime to help you & Matt with continuing CAD design if you want - just let me know what you need.
thank you Jim, yes, honestly i forgot. ( shame on me) but yes i will remember, not sure why i forgot... hummm. long days / nights i guess lol

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 14th, 2016, 03:55 AM
Ok. Second coil done. This one clockwise.

24 strands of 23awg in each coil.

This will give me around 6 ohms. And the bundle will give me 12 and 12. 12 in searies will be 6.1 ohms estimated.

I used this as a how to demo. So I'll upload that soon.

Now the wire thickness looks closer I think.
007 could have ment 12 as a set. And not 6. This looks better as far as wire thickness.

If some one can over lay this photo to 007 that would be greate.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 14th, 2016, 04:02 AM
Tomorrow. I go to a supply house in search of caps and diodes. 

The shop is a mess. The exzostion sets in. Its 4am 
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 14th, 2016, 04:05 AM
former 10 is 11% done.  Will see it in the morning. :)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jrodney55 on June 14th, 2016, 09:43 AM
Beautiful work Russ. Attached overlay & side by side with new coil.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 14th, 2016, 07:20 PM
Thank you jim

So dose the wire look closer to 007's ?



So today I brought my scrap to get some funds for this project. Near by was the apex superpluss store.

Check out this place.

http://www.apexelectronic.com/image/

I was there for allmoat 2 hrs with my son. All we Did is Rome around. And WOW. I knew this place was here but ignored it for 2 years.

I'm still puzzled. Photos do not do justice.

Any how. They wanted a bit more than I wanted  to pay for some caps. So in the far corner there is some crap outside quite wethered. But I found some old boxes and rolls. I asked for the hole box.. There is about 600 if them in there. At about 6.5 cents each it was a good deal. I can make a bank and make them switchable so I can try diffrent cap sizes. 10 in series  and 3 of those banks in parall is .15uf. Same as 007.

The caps I have have internal resistors in them. That's not ideal.

Then in can make other banks to play with diffremt frequncys.

The spool of caps was .033uf. There was around 1500 or something on a roll. But the .3uf will work better for this.

I also got a spool of wire. It Looks silver plated copper. I wanted to make a really good coil with this and try it.

I also got some 1n34 germanum diodes. 50 of those i can make a .5amp FWBR. I have some ideas to try. 

WOW.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 14th, 2016, 09:02 PM
ok, here is the full how to videos in real time..

the stream cut out there but i think all details are in there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4AvwXs_TPA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGrYaAHifbo
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: brunozr on June 15th, 2016, 12:32 AM
Hi warriors
if i understood it properly we could have a ring with 36 spaces and use 2 for the coils and leave the third empty.
is that correct?
so i ve done this. it still has not been tested. im planning to cut this soon.
just sharing...
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 15th, 2016, 05:58 AM
All nighter.

Got all the wires striped and taped. Color coaded. Ect. 

Got the cap MMC set up for .15uf 2000v

And did a lot of testing.

I did get to a point where I was seeing somthing interesting.  Power factor was around .1-.2 on the input. And output was .6-.8. And we were at around 2w in and 8W out. Not sure what was going on. Could have been an error. But I'm not sure. I think its around 4:45 min on the video. Then I go back and show it again.

Video will be posted when it's done processing.

Bad thing is I don't how missed a pair on the one coil. So I have one less coil on the L2. So i just left the one pair open.... Was not happy but it is what it is.

So that's 11 COILS in series and 11 COILS to short. In this video I had them all in series.

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 15th, 2016, 06:04 AM
96 wires ...freekin crap. Lol. Ok fine. -2

I'm feeling your pain Jeremy. :)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 15th, 2016, 08:05 AM
haha.....well at least you know you tried everything you could to get this project off the front of your brain  :)   i bet it has only opened more questions....but you can rest knowing you put a herculean effort out. very, very nice work man....try not to sleep the whole week   ;)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 15th, 2016, 09:29 AM
First off. Id like to thank all the fellows at overunity.com

And aywhere else for that matter.

There are a lot of questions  about. Schmatic's. Mesurments. Power analysis.
DOS settings.  And a bunch more.  If you have some incite. Please share it.

As you know and I expressed im on a learning curve. The instrument is only as good the operator. I'm not publishing schmatics and mesuremtns in a short 3 min video for a reason. This is called exploration.

I don't take one bit of information and try it and call it a scam or a fake. I take the steps they would have taken.  Tryal and error. There are 100d's of ways to conect all the windings. There are Manny ways to make something work. And for that there are Manny Manny more ways to make it fail.

So. Its live open science. The long videos that everyone ( except a few) are scanning will not help you unless you watch them and really payatention. Yes. One day I will compile all my findings and things will be clear. U till then if you want to play along you need to put forth the efforts I have and at lease watch the"  work days. "

Ok. So why am I posting this. Well it's to say thank you all for being open minded and awaiting the results with some kind of result that will be benifital for understanding these systems we "play" with

Again for those of you who are way more advanced in this understanding please step forward here at this forum and make sure I don't make the same mistakes with my mesurments as have been posted before.

That's why we do this open. Its becuse each of us play a roll. And if my roll is to be the guy who can build crap and show some results then those who are advanced in measurements or other step forward and help.
This is the reason I do this live. Its so have others that know more help in the understanding as I climb this learning curve.


Any how. I have a lot more work ahead of me. To even get to a point where in happy with my mesurments and results.

With any good project. Extreemly through testing will be had before I'm satisfied with my results. As should be your expectations.

Much love to all who support a real good open source project.

Thanks for reading.

Now I'm going to ignore this for a week while I take the first vacation that my wife and I have had for 8 years. ( with out the 5 kids )

:)

~Russ Gries
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 15th, 2016, 09:55 AM
Good luck. This now playing around :)

https://youtu.be/tl0qopTBQA0

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: talisman on June 15th, 2016, 10:16 AM
 Russ is going to go for a while but buying wire does anyone have the
thoughts and whys of:

-a copper core of the 6 strands shorted as a core, the outside 6 strands
linear.

-one picture above shows a normal twisted outside.

-why an 18 AWG would have reduced or nullify the output power.   

-is the wire coated or bare and how important that might be with
 the shorting of the inner 6.

The validation has no DC-DC converter but the over-unity validated anyway
how could you guess.

I want to buy some wire.
 
 


Buying Wire 
   
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 15th, 2016, 04:52 PM
Some notes on doing measurements with a scope with built in measurement functions:
With short memory scopes like the small tektronix TPS/TDS series, you need to have good and complete waveforms visible in the scope or else measurements will be off. Viewing the power (math) trace helps. If it looks good then it's a start. Always a good idea to compare scope measurements with a known load. Sinewaves (or square waves) must be used when doing the manual calculation. Resistive load, and RMS amps and RMS volts.

Now one theory about the power extraction of the coil, is that there's the audio range frequency as the exiting components, creating the magnetic vortices and creating the LC resonance on the secondary winding. Power can definitely be transferred (Russ has confirmed it) on that specific frequency, because the transformer leakage inductance is cancelled out by the capacitor. Very good.

Next thing is that the LC frequency most likely needs to match the coils self-resonance. It has to be measured, so that we can apply the right frequency to get a standing wave or waves in the coil/transformer. Match this frequency with the cap and things are most likely cooking good ;-) 007 used 2.5uF and said that that one worked much better than the 0.15 uf cap..

Next theory is that the ether is exited/stirred in the above way, creating a high-frequency component on the secondary of the coil. Could well be in the ultra-high frequency range where it's very very hard to detect.
That power will go acros most things because of the high freqency. It does however have energy/power in it and it would appear that germanium diodes can be used to rectify the signals and turn it into a DC (those diodes are still used for RF applications - thank God). However, as is known from transmission line theory (see wikipedia and books) and related theory, one needs to have impedance matcing in order to transfer the power. So that means that one needs to match the impedance of the load to the source, in order to get the full effect. Perhaps in that way the OU power will be made available.

In the DC/DC converter there may be a PFC /Power Factor Correction) circuit before the actual DC/DC converter. The power factor correction may have been modified a bit to create a non-ohmic load, i.e. to allow it to be tunable.
However a switchable LC box should also do the trick. This matching however can't be happening on the ultra high frequency range because any discrete compoenent or low frequency tricks like PFC does not work at all at these frequencies.
Discrete components stop working at a few GHz at best- after that it's resonators, waveguides and transmission lines.
Most of teslas interesting work was done using non-discrete components. Like the pancake coil, it's a non-linear transmission line with distributed capacitance and inductance and causing all sorts of interesting EM fields that have interesting effects. Even more so if you stretch it out into a tapered shape.

Calculating the self resonance of coils is a trial and error or imperically based line of work. I have seen no real math that can calculate these frequencies, except for some very simplified RF air coils. If anyone has seen any usefull math for it, let us know.

Last thought is that 007 referred to the 6 strands of wire as a copper CORE (not cord). That would indicate that the mass of copper acts as a core for the magnetic field in the coil. Using copper has been mentioned in some documents as a very potent catalyst for OU power (to the degree of using extreme caution). Stanley Meyer also mentions the effects of magnetic fields on the electrons of copper.
** Correction as of June 17th. It's the case of iron, not copper.

As with most OU devices, one expect would coherence of atomic lattice vibrations resulting in a dropping temperature. Also time expansion/contraction, change of mass of objects in the field and their gravitational pull and finally influence on what is called the concious field, with which we seem to be interacting with and affecting every day of our lifes (and past that). I guess people have studied the works of Wilbur Smith, who was a down to earth RF electronics engineer working in the fifties in Canada for their department of transportation. As Marko says, this coil can be used for a lot of things.

We need more people working on this and bringing out their measurements/results (also for protection). Also experiments with the coil driving a HHO cell is most likely another application. Probably the vortex coil is much more effective than any coil or transformer that Stanley Meyer managed to build. That's also why the bucking field configuration should be tried out as well (se hand drawn schematic in an earlier post). The principle with the RF energy applies to the cell, which needs to have the right impedance and have the electrodes isolated where the voltage is high. Natural CaCO3 (lime) deposition from slow electrolysis in mineral water can also be used (conditioning). Use nickel or chrome surfaces of the electrodes to avoid generating radioactive isotopes in the cell, as transmutation will occur.
OK I went kinda off-topic there.. ;-)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 15th, 2016, 06:09 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 15th, 2016, 09:55 AM
Good luck. This now playing around :)

~Russ
Two things. The LED bulbs are not LED's, they are filament lamps, where the filament is enclosed in a glass tube. So they should be a resistive load.
The resistance indicated on the other caps is the parallel resistance due to the finite resistivity of the dielectric of the cap (paper and oil..?).
So it's not "designed in" as such and it does not make the cap unsuable with those high resistance values.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: AcidByte on June 17th, 2016, 03:12 AM
you guys got some nice work going on the coil! props!
i finally finished putting the first 12 strains on the coil :)
got to wait till the rain stops to make the next 12 strains
cheers Jeroen
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 17th, 2016, 07:48 AM
a couple things ive noticed about my coil that havent made it into any videos or anything:

i get no change in wire resistance when shorting other windings....in any form. i dont know if thats because russ was measuring something else (whatever is measured in ohms....reactance? my brain is tired)....or russ' meter puts more current through the wires to test resistance than mine, affecting the coil and reading more.

the winding ratio (L1 to L2) plays a huge part on power transfer. i got the best results by far with a 1:1 winding ratio. all other arrangements performed substantially worse.

i like sandwiches.

increasing resistance on L2 (double the windings for a 1:2 ratio) lowered the resonant frequency. more testing needed.

the 'dual LED' trick running the coil with one end open (shown at :050 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOrC1icUgnk ) is still the greatest mystery ive seen firsthand in regards to this coil and sets it apart from every other coilform ive tested it on.

i am still collecting data on the coil characteristics UNloaded so that i can attempt to build a regular linear coil with similar properties to act as a CONTROL COIL for load experiments. any help sorting out a good procedure for that would be helpful.

well, time to finish my coffee now....
jeremy
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 17th, 2016, 12:15 PM
Quote from jeremy gwilt on June 17th, 2016, 07:48 AM
a couple things ive noticed about my coil that havent made it into any videos or anything:

i get no change in wire resistance when shorting other windings....in any form. i dont know if thats because Russ was measuring something else (whatever is measured in ohms....reactance? my brain is tired)....or russ' meter puts more current through the wires to test resistance than mine, affecting the coil and reading more.
Russ was using the LCR meter at 1 kHz to measure resistance. Since the coil is also inductive, the resistance (total impedance) will change with inductance which changes when you short other pairs together. Nothing mysterious about it. Russ needs to use a normal meter at DC - as I've said twice now. Presumably the meter can show impedance instead as a real and complex number - I don't know - I haven't looked up and read the manual for it.
Quote from jeremy gwilt on June 17th, 2016, 07:48 AM
the winding ratio (L1 to L2) plays a huge part on power transfer. i got the best results by far with a 1:1 winding ratio. all other arrangements performed substantially worse.

i like sandwiches.

increasing resistance on L2 (double the windings for a 1:2 ratio) lowered the resonant frequency. more testing needed.

the 'dual LED' trick running the coil with one end open (shown at :050 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOrC1icUgnk ) is still the greatest mystery ive seen firsthand in regards to this coil and sets it apart from every other coilform ive tested it on.
What's at 050 - ??
I don't get it.

i am still collecting data on the coil characteristics UNloaded so that i can attempt to build a regular linear coil with similar properties to act as a CONTROL COIL for load experiments. any help sorting out a good procedure for that would be helpful.
Quote
If you change the geometry - especially regarding windings and distances between them, the coils will definitely be different.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 17th, 2016, 01:01 PM
Quote from Viking on June 17th, 2016, 12:15 PM
What's at 050 - ??
I don't get it.
its a trick i learned from tinselkoala i believe, when he was building his PLL exciter. both LEDS will light up at certain frequencies in towers, but on this rodin the lights stay on for a very large range of freuencies....which none of my other coils do. that is all.

as for the control coil.... i think it fair that at least some attempt is made. of course geometry will change results.....it is the differences that i want to know   :)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 17th, 2016, 03:11 PM
ya....that was the wrong link haha....its been fixed
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: AcidByte on June 17th, 2016, 03:17 PM
Quote from jeremy gwilt on June 17th, 2016, 01:01 PM
its a trick i learned from tinselkoala i believe, when he was building his PLL exciter. both LEDS will light up at certain frequencies in towers, but on this rodin the lights stay on for a very large range of freuencies....which none of my other coils do. that is all.

as for the control coil.... i think it fair that at least some attempt is made. of course geometry will change results.....it is the differences that i want to know   :)
yeah i use somewhat kinda circuit (using 555 and 2 leds anti parallel) for tuning tesla coils :)
i have a diagram on that somewhere.
you can ofcourse change the oscillator to a function generator or what ever chip that oscillates.
works both in open coil situation (where the end of the coil will be a capacitance to ground)
and also in closed coil.
in open coil situations the led goes bright
in closed coil situations the led goes dim.

I am also curious to see what happens when we resonate the coil in this type of situation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtI1CPBSm-o

i've tested this principle and it does work!
i believe the bifilar coil in this situation act's like or a capacitor or its somehow magneticly coupled.
or maybe both.

i finished the second coil finally.
got to use some tyraps and then im off doing the wires.
slow progress..... but still progress :)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 17th, 2016, 04:51 PM
While doing a test winding of the coil, I found out that it helps to number the slots, starting from 0 at the rings slot and ending at 23.
Then I made a MATLAB script to calculate the slot that the wire bundle passes for each turn on the same former.
It's shown below, where I started with slot 10 (modify to start somewhere else). In that way there's more check on things and the arithmetic is interesting. In fact I'd like to see someone do a match analysis to calculate wire length, log spiral proportion (is it really PHI ?)  and a 3D plot. On a continuous form this mostly looks like log spiral forms and sine/cosine (complex exponent). Perhaps somebody knows a teenageer (or otherwise) genious with too much time on his/her hands and who likes a math challenge. Please report back findings.
>> x=[0:23]*11+10

x =

  Columns 1 through 14

    10    21    32    43    54    65    76    87    98   109   120   131   142   153

  Columns 15 through 24

   164   175   186   197   208   219   230   241   252   263

>> p=mod(x,24)

p =

  Columns 1 through 14

    10    21     8    19     6    17     4    15     2    13     0    11    22     9

  Columns 15 through 24

    20     7    18     5    16     3    14     1    12    23
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 18th, 2016, 02:08 PM
 Hello guys and gals if present,

 I actually got to talk to Mr Rodin yesterday. Nice conversation we had and I think I might have surprised him in a sense.

 I just wanted to get you guys to think about what could be hosting such a huge magnetic field detected around the coils. DO NOT IGNORE THEM. They are very real. Let me explain.

 What in your mind will channel a magnetic field?

 I think everyone would agree that Ferric materials do a pretty good with higher permeability materials, which of course are kinda out of reach cost wise.

 What if I told you there was a totally unlimited supply of the cheapest and best and I mean BEST magnetic material around. The cost you ask?
 FREE. Well essentially free.

 Plasma is all around you. Literally all through you. It is the very thing Tesla used in his magnifying Transmitter. Plasma. It is the super fluid at room temperature. It is highly attracted to higher voltage sources and once you maintain it.. Well it becomes a super magnet. A super magnet that can be shaped and rotated just by the voltage and Frequency of impulses that the plasma reacts to.. Impulses attract plasma more evenly and more strongly then any other method but your method still shows well.

 Nice to see a real interest in the Rodin coil and Marko could not find a better person to ferret out his design. If I can help with things Let me know. I can't really replicate the coil but I might be able to help you tweak the design to perform better. I look forward to trying to help with that. Nice work guys!

 Russ, Your the MAN! I like the hat... Oh by the way you need better caps. How about some of those new easy to make graphene caps?
 
 Oh my bad. To get impulses just follow this system:

 http://www.tfcbooks.com/images/lectures/1892-02-03/005.gif

 Remember start small with impulses and ramp it up slowly both in period and pressure.
 If you want to know how it is supposed to work then ask away. I might be able to help. We are floating in a sea of plasma and you have made the first plasma drive element. Given better materials and maybe thick copper pipes we could make a massive drive system that could be heavily shielded around the sides. Hey the shielding could actually be the energy scoops. Hmmmm.... you could take power off them like letting the air out of a bike tube that had no end to the pressure. The scoops would be reflecting pannels and then open to furnish power for a short period letting the magnetic field bounce back and scoop some more off the next period. Hmm the possibilities are endless. Oh and self cooling when the plasma enters the coil system.... Nice side effect...

 Ok remember the voltage determines the stiffness of the plasma field. It could go from no effect to full lock on and spin the magnetic field so fast with the higher pressure of the voltage determining the lock on ability to the inner plasma core.

 And one more thing. The impulses come from the spark gap being filtered by the magnetic stream running across the gap fed by the cap. What you put the impulses into should convert the impulses into real energy. Like a coil rebounds from being pinged. So the transformer on either side of the impulse generator does not necessarily need to be there. Again have fun and start slowly.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 19th, 2016, 01:55 PM
Hello jbignes5.

Appreciate your input and I agree that plasma is (another ?)  key to extracting energy from the vacuum. It has been demonstrated by certain people in a certain European country who Marko most likely has been in contact with at some point.
But if you really want to contribute to this discussion you need to be more concrete and to aid on that, here are some questions:
1. How do you define plasma ?
2. How do you suggest to use the vortex transformer/coil in that connection ?
3. Why to you think ferric materials are expensive ? Off the shelf shapes are not very expensive.
4. Can you make a sketch of your proposed setups please ?
5. If you know of any adversere effect on biological systems when working with the transformer, please enlighten us, as nobody would like to be knocked out sick for weeks as a result of working with this stuff.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 19th, 2016, 06:10 PM
It's funny, when reviewing the 007 demo, two parts of the video is missing the audio. On might suppose it's because of a technical issue and not that it has been CENSORED ??
Anyway looking at the images, of which very very few (if any) are clear enough to say anything definite, I can't see any bundles of 6 shorted wires nor even two of them. It looks more like 6 or more are going back in a bucking configuration, while the other half is continuing on. The output to input voltage ratio is 215/46=4.7 with the rectifier load. My guess is that just one wire is carrying 1A and the rest is bucking and stepping up the voltage to a factor of 5-6. However the field coupling back to the primary is presumably almost absent...  Why... ?? Do the electric and magnetic fields not propagate at the same speeds in this geometry ?
Attached a screenshot of the right side of the connections.
Also attached a schematic of how I believe L1 (primary) and L2 (secondary) is connected (only one of them shown).
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 19th, 2016, 07:16 PM
Quote from Viking on June 19th, 2016, 01:55 PM
Hello jbignes5.

Appreciate your input and I agree that plasma is (another ?)  key to extracting energy from the vacuum. It has been demonstrated by certain people in a certain European country who Marko most likely has been in contact with at some point.
But if you really want to contribute to this discussion you need to be more concrete and to aid on that, here are some questions:
1. How do you define plasma ?
2. How do you suggest to use the vortex transformer/coil in that connection ?
3. Why to you think ferric materials are expensive ? Off the shelf shapes are not very expensive.
4. Can you make a sketch of your proposed setups please ?
5. If you know of any adversere effect on biological systems when working with the transformer, please enlighten us, as nobody would like to be knocked out sick for weeks as a result of working with this stuff.
1: In my best research plasma is a dynamic particle based super conductor to high voltages. It will condense around sources of very high voltages and seek a balance to discharge into after condensing. It is very hard to explain. The best analogy is this: Plasma is a form of matter that can change at our will it's form shape texture and tesile strength. It is a super conductor to electrical potential. Since it is a super conductor the higher density would allow it to act or have water like properties. I am pretty sure it is the separator in water that keeps hydrogen from truly touching oxygen. we all know what happens when matter truly touches right? As a rule nothing touches in the universe. This is because matter displaces plasma and the structures below are the reason why they don't touch. All is induction through these superconductors. A super fluid if you will. In it's cold state it is neutral to it's adjacent sides appearing to be nothing more then empty space. But it is far from empty and it's density is so very complex, you could say fractal based, in fact..
 The Sierpinski Triangle is the preferred charge carrier for the particles of plasma.

 I'll link it here in both polarities:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_triangle#/media/File:Sierpinski_pyramid.png

 One negative and one positive is as far as I got with that. This is because one has infinite space and one has infinite surface area.These are dynamic structures in the plasma itself. From many, many differing sizes just above the finite level (lowest, if there is such a thing) but the shape is very important. Iconic isn't it?
 Did you check the direction of the tips of the smaller particles in each dynamic particle??
 Ill edit more to answer the rest...

 Maybe the ancients knew way more then we give them credit for. Maybe they discovered the very same technology because it is the real technology of nature. Maybe...

 I just remembered another piece to the what is plasma question.
 Take a look at this..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmC0ygr08tE

 This shows some of the nature of a droplet of the very stuff it is floating on, silicon. Now think about plasma being 3d instead of 2d like in that video. Somehow something divided the plasma and i think it is like this video in nature. The surface would be a double layer, which is well known in the plasma physics toolbox. That double layer is where matter collects and resides making atoms and guiding the shells around them. The droplet of plasma pulses in and out from the pressure the whole Universe is at for cold plasma with a slight compressing of the droplet. What ever that level is, is to be discovered yet.

 Maybe what is dividing the plasma is the further agitation of flowing plasma. Spinning off more droplets as plasma flows from point to point in the Universe.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 19th, 2016, 07:41 PM
Quote from Viking on June 19th, 2016, 01:55 PM
Hello jbignes5.

Appreciate your input and I agree that plasma is (another ?)  key to extracting energy from the vacuum. It has been demonstrated by certain people in a certain European country who Marko most likely has been in contact with at some point.
But if you really want to contribute to this discussion you need to be more concrete and to aid on that, here are some questions:
1. How do you define plasma ?
2. How do you suggest to use the vortex transformer/coil in that connection ?
3. Why to you think ferric materials are expensive ? Off the shelf shapes are not very expensive.
4. Can you make a sketch of your proposed setups please ?
5. If you know of any adversere effect on biological systems when working with the transformer, please enlighten us, as nobody would like to be knocked out sick for weeks as a result of working with this stuff.
Sorry if I'm roto posting I need to keep these separate because I tend to jumble things up a bit in my attempt to explain it.
 
 2. What connection? The impulse one?

 Ok wait let me introduce you to impulse methods first. There is a well known lecture Tesla did in the late 1890's
 I would read everything up to the lighting section. It explains everything Tesla did to discover how it operates, both the circuit and the plasma it attracts.

http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm

 If you want directed help you can start at figure 3 and go from there. Most aspects are covered and even transforming motion from the impulses in the form of a rudimentary one wire motor design. There is a section that talks about the plasma that can be formed into shapes. It describes the texture of the plasma as well and he even boasted to be able to make it stiff or rigid.

 Oh and the caps are not needed on the discharge circuit. That just magnifies it more. Kinda like giving it more punch. I would say the caps are for the high energy version, which should be looked at later for safety reasons. Start small I always say...

 3. When compared to free, anything is way too expensive. Plus where on the market can you find a material that will change it's density to facilitate more magnetic conduction at your will?

  How would we go about calculating the permeability of plasma? Can anyone help with that? That is not sarcasm.. Ok so a dynamic permeability core based on voltage applied? Hmmm.. Priceless don't you think?

 4. I'll be doing some work soon for the sketches to better explain this stuff.

 5. A) I believe the magnetic portion or emf smog of traditional systems is already very bad for us. And the degree of effect of that is based on individual response to the emf smog.
     B) with this new method of producing impulses there is a very real danger but it is based on the period of impulses and their strength. If the impulses are of low period or frequency they tend to energize all matter in it's area of effect and then rebound out of matter very strongly. If matter has not been energized in a repetitive fashion then the energy will want to radiate back out of matter as fast as possible. You could liken this to oscillating the pressure up and down in a balloon. smaller gradients of successive impulses never let it completely radiate out of the matter. This keeps the matter stable and filled with plasma. But and this is a big but, If you were to present 1 impulse per second or even a single impulse anything that was not sufficiently held together from it's mass, well that mass would rip itself apart explosively. Tesla reported that he could explode thin wires like the finest dynamite of that time. All you need to do is make sure there is a train of impulses of sufficient period or impulses per second. So there should be a ramp up and down of the impulses to let matter adjust normally to the impulse field and then held there.

 The impulse field has a wide range of effects and Tesla found out that 2k impulses per second was safe to biological systems. There is a wide range of environmental effect though. From cool breezes <-cold plasma entering the system to heated air <-energized air and gasses. I'll have to go back over the effects list to see if I can get a better understanding of additional effects in the field.

 As far as humans are concerned Tesla said he was also energized and felt better from being in the field.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 20th, 2016, 12:37 PM
 I had a chance to go back to my studies of the Rodin coil and the background math and geometry involved then and this was the coil I got out:

 http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/jbignes5/rodincoildesignac.png

 And this is the form I designed:

 http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/jbignes5/rodincoilframe.jpg

 This design is very inefficient for winding but you get the idea of how we could make one. Now that we have 3d printing it would be very easy to design a form to wind the coil exactly the way Marko had intended. The bifilar wrap is also a bit skewed from Marko's math and geometry.

 This is the template i used:

 http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/jbignes5/Rodincoilformabc.png

 I'm sorry it is photobucket but it is the only thing I have those studies on. I'll be moving them soon..

 I believe the mapping he did of the torus was the plasma condensed inside of the coil. Not sure about that yet.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: magootwo3d on June 20th, 2016, 11:15 PM
Did we get a schematic or wiring diagram from 007?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 21st, 2016, 07:33 AM
 The process he was describing is very simple. Why do we need s schematic?

 On the subject of my take on the coil. For obvious reasons my design was a bit off but the general sense i get from the coil and Marko's math is that the vw symbol is a direct wiring method and the geometry is very very important. The 9 is the aperture to hold onto a single point of the plasma field and just like a spider does, you can sense ALL vibrations that the field is channeling. These vibrations come in all flavors and all events in the Universe at the same time.

 Here is a video of what i think is holding onto the thread in the O spot:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hHv5iKbRTc

 There is some very important stuff in that video. Check the plasmoid out.

 The angles that are facilitated with a proper coil allow the system to trap a single point of space. Once you lock on to that single piece of plasma you should be able to sense any disturbance in any direction in the plasma field instantly. Put yourself as the spider sensing the slightest vibration to effect the plasma field in all directions. Those vibrations are converted into movements within the plasma that has condensed around the aperture. In effect turning into a speaker of the Universe vibrating.

 Now, this connection is bidirectional as well. Any input would be transmitted out to the Universe at the speed of the plasma. Communication on any frequency can be isolated and made unique as well. Communication to anything within the plasma field. The possibilities are endless.

 Now When I envision space as it is now there are pockets of pure plasma. Whole plasma that has not been agitated into an emulsified space plasma. The very same plasma that allows matter to exist. The divided plasma. Solid plasma acts like the divided plasma only that it spans huge areas of space. When it is solid transmissions jump to the other side without any resistance. Like a shortcut across space.

 On the subject of pure plasma, When plasma gets condense enough it will eventually condense back into it's solid form. As in the curious effect we call a black hole. I am guessing you can figure out how that could be bad right? As long as we do not allow the plasma to solidify then we are a,ok. We just have to remember to not pull so much vibration out of the plasma that it settles or condenses further to this point. I don't think we could do such a thing but for safety sake we should devise a way to get feedback of the plasma to observe it's density. It is worth knowing though.

 What Marko was focusing on was mapping the plasma torus. Knowing how the torus flows will dictate how you pull energy(Vibrations) from it due to proper angles of the fields.

 My design included the crisscross pattern which is where I and others went wrong. 007's discovery is that parallel shielding and emitter wires allow for excitation and self containment by induction of the plasma. Brilliant idea. So my form is right but the pattern of elements or wires is wrong. The crisscross method will not be sufficient to contain the plasma because it can not induce into the reflector shorted coils, which my version of the wrapping does not allow or the reflecting wires which are not included as well.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 21st, 2016, 08:39 AM
 I did some more research into the topic of the torus and this is what I got:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_inductors_and_transformers#/media/File:Toroidal_Transformer_Poynting_Vector.jpg

 What you are seeing is the model of all matter. From the atom to planets to the Universe. It's a fractal.

 In the picture I showed you, you can apply the Rodin coil as I have shown you previously. With the crossing being at the compression point.


 Now think about the torus and apply that to this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuVgXJ55G6Y
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 21st, 2016, 02:50 PM
Hello jbignes5,

I seriously think you are stumbling around in your theories - whereever they originate.
The torus is indeed a universal shape and path for energy flow in the universe.
Also black holes also seem to play an important role in galaxies, planetary systems, individual planets and right down to the atomic structure.
The atom has an aperture in the center of the group of nucleons through which ether energy flows, creates and stabilises the atomic structure. Relative simple calculations confirm this concept by it's ability to reproduce known natural constants and both measured and theoretically calculated (via QM) dimensions.

Regarding your field shape based on the Rodin sequences, the toroidal mapping has been available on the internet for many many years. So you obviously have not been paying attention to developments.

Regarding the current flow in the rodin or vortex coil, which is more like a transformer, I have never seen an electromagnetically based OU device that did not use the principle of seemingly opposing magnetic fields. This I am convinced, it must certainly also be the case here.
007 was doing his best (as is apparently common practice) to obfuscate important points in his presentation and most likely also hiding important details in order both to be able to gain somethig himself (which will probably lead in a bad direction) and to only allow certain people to use the technology. It has been the case in the past and so it will apparently continue to be.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 21st, 2016, 05:05 PM
lets all just step back and wait to see some actual test data before we throw stones. lets keep it on a positive note.
if anyone would like to support their theories with some experiments, we would all love to be a part of the conversation.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 21st, 2016, 05:49 PM
 Ok I talked to Marko and confirmed many of the things I have mentioned before posting here. Yes my thoughts are chaotic because that is how the information comes to me. But the bigger picture is what we are after not nit picky comments. I apologize that my train of thought is choppy and disorganized. but as you can see every post I have given is related in some way to the Rodin coil device. The coil MUST be as I have designated because that is the way Marko saw it and worked out through his math. I know what he intended because I confirmed it with Marko himself.

 My train of though goes back to the time I worked on this without Marko's help and still, by my conversation with Marko, hit the nail on the head.

 The coil is wrong the way it sits. Not with the bifilar coils but with the form and space between the coils. The coils were flat wound not corded like they are in this version. The most important thing about this device is that the geometry must be exact to lock onto the very wheel work of nature. The key to accessing what Marko has been talking about is to actually hear him and do as he has said. It works as he and I have been talking about I just know it. Every day the plasma universe people are gaining ground. They are gaining ground because they are predicting what would happens before it does. Case in point: We tried to shoot a special device into an asteroid. The Electric(plasma) Universe guys predicted that there would be a flash of light just before the sensor hit the asteroid. Walla it did.

 I am trying to make you understand where this went wrong.

 The jist of it is this. In order to hold something that should not be held is to harmonize with it. The geometry of the wires of the coil has to be exact to marko's math and design. The round torus was his attempt to map the plasma within the coil. The coil is the VW symbol. As I have shown. Marko is very clear about this.

 Everything else I have posted is a way to relate to the plasma and the coil itself. How can you replicate anything if you do it your way and not the original discoverer's way?

 Marko is very tired. He is worn out and defeated. I think he might actually be very sick. Do him a favor and make this tech as he specified in his math and designs. Marko felt I could bring something to the table and maybe help get this back on track. If you believe I have no contribution or I am deviating from Marko's way then move on. My job now is to talk to Russ. Marko has told me he is the one he endorses and that I should start putting my information where Russ can see it. My respect for Russ as a replicator is very high. Hopefully he is more open to these posts then some of you.

 Marko felt this coil that Russ is working on is somewhat  close, but only close and I agreed. Either you want to Work the original plan of Marko's or you are going your own way into futility and frustration.

 The device Marko designed opens up a world of abundance and the ability to travel anywhere in that world faster then you could imagine. You misunderstood it's purpose and others are leading you away from the truth.

 Let me explain something. Tesla said that if we could hook our machines up to the very thing that makes nature work we would have an inexhaustible supply of energy to help human kind. If we just understand that the very thing that allows all energy transfers in this Universe could be harnessed we could tap all the energy we need to survive and not be forced to survive as a way of life by our own means.

 And yes I was not aware of current happenings on the net. I took a much needed break both for sanity and my physical problems. So you would have to excuse me if I didn't know something about current events in the scene.

 The genesis of magnetics is what? The voltage.. Without voltage there can be no current which can not form around the wires in the form of a magnetic field. In reality that magnetic field's name should be changed. It is a plasma field which carries the magnetic field effects. Dense plasma when compared to the environmental plasma cause a skin effect. This skin effect is due to the plasma gaining density, much like water condenses and forms a surface. That is why I showed the bubble circles. To let you know what the surface of the torus plasma will look and act like. If that happens in water it must be happening in everything that is a fluid. Since Plasma is in everything to a degree it must be doing this as a fundamental rule in the plasma. We also have the torus around our planet and is the reason we have a molten core. It is also the reason we have a magnetic field which wouldn't be possible without plasma or the sun that provides particle charges(quasi impulses).

 Marko originally got this design by hacking the Bahal faith. He called this the fingerprint of GOD. Literally this is just that. Plasma is the reason we have spacial division. it is the Reason for all electrical events including Magnetism and light. It is the reason I am typing on this computer and talking to you. If we could isolate just one piece of plasma we could hear the Universe sing on all frequencies that we could ever dream up all at once. Learn how to transform part of those frequencies and you have enough to live and go anywhere in the Universe. All from one piece of the Universe bound in the 0 space of Marko's real coil. You would be able to sense the vibrations for all radiant events, and matter is just that. Everything is connected by the plasma it is the finger that makes the print.

 The shape I showed you, Sierpinski triangle was born by fractals. It is the natural finger print of GOD as Marko put it. The genesis of all we see and the center point of his device. Marko didn't know that, he admitted that this find was unique and he focused on the math rather then what made such a fingerprint. In my researches I got stuck on Tesla. I learned everything I could from his body of work. Every patent and every Lecture I painlessly read through collecting information about his true goal. That goal was to give us a gift of not having to be a slave and do anything we had to, to survive. Well Tesla had the way to collect plasma and utilize it in a sphere like dome. What Tesla didn't have time for was to find a device that could utilize the plasma in a way that harnesses the connections of the plasma. In walks Marko. And here we sit, not listening to Marko but thinking we know better then his work. Marko's math was peer reviewed by Microsoft's best. They validated that Marko had a unique and working mathematical model. Shouldn't that be enough to listen to the man and follow his validated designs.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 21st, 2016, 07:20 PM
 I just wanted to give a bit of background on my experiences.

 First of all I have always had a knack of logically taking things apart and putting them back together working better then when I took it apart. My mother came into the kitchen when I was 7 or so to find that I had taken apart her AM/FM clock radio on the kitchen table. Boy was I in trouble. She exclaimed "You put that back together NOW and it better work too!". She left the room and I started to put it back together. Oddly enough I had 10-15 parts left over but it work none the less. So it is a part of myself, an innate part.

 When I finished High school I barely passed. Not because I was lazy or anything like that. Well to be frank I was bored. I missed so many classes that no one could pass with even a D yet i got b's and c's. All without going to the classes. I had just started to work with Sinclair computers and Apple II E's. And that is where I found I could fix anything that was a computer. So I figured I should get some electronics training. I attempted many times to finish the courses but I never really had the opportunity to finish. After a few failures because of life events I finally got my electronics technician certificate and proceeded to become a computer technician. RMA specialist to be exact. This is where I got trampled by the corporate entity. They have rules you should follow but when they don't follow their own rules you always seem to take the dive anyways. So I build custom systems in my spare time and after I have completed a build I would have huge amounts of time to waste since I'm pretty much in pain all the time. Scoliosis and degenerative disk disease is nothing I wish on anyone, not even my worst enemies. I do not take pain meds because they make me feel very bad or not in control of my own actions, clouded thinking and generally sluggish. So I don't usually do anything that physically stresses my back and neck. But I can think. I can research tons of things and I'm very versed in the goings on in the physics communities. My zeal about Tesla is well known among many here. I don't idolize the man I cherish what he left us! Although it takes someone like me to know what he was doing and how he hid his secrets in plain sight. He was right. The future was his.

 As for me building the device well I can barely type anymore. Because of the degenerative disk disease my extremities shake like I'm having baby seizures. So soldering is out and fine work with my fingers is kinda hard and very frustrating for me to do anymore. Walking is really painful and I have an electric wheel chair to help me get places because I can not drive anymore. People look at me with pity and it breaks my heart to see that. This is the only thing I can do anymore and I have decided that this is my contribution to the Universe.

 As a side note when I was talking to Marko I told him what I thought this device reminded me of and he stopped talking. I don't think he thought I really knew what the device was but his silence told me everything I needed to know. If we are swimming in a sea of plasma then this is the plasma propeller. One side rarefies the plasma and the other condenses it.  Moving whatever is attached to this device in the same manner as a surfboard rides the waves. A host of ideas come to my head from a real land speeder floating on a cushion of excited plasma or the warp engines on the star ship Enterprise. But you need impulses and not AC or RF energy to drive these devices. AC/RF will only destroy matter from the agitation across the 0 line. This is where Tesla failed. Any attempt by him to correct it was squashed once they had our controller, AC energy. Once the meter went on we were bound to the mans control.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Volty on June 21st, 2016, 09:36 PM
Finished? 
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 22nd, 2016, 01:16 AM
Appreciate the honesty expressed by jbignes5. It takes courage. Regarding his condition, healing thoughts go to him from me and I hope from others too. Healing can come from within one self and with the aid of others. It's something we must learn again in the very near future.
Everything about this Rodin stuff has triggered an alarm bell from the first time I looked at it. However I do like the shape of it and I can see certain concepts being utilized in the coil - so despite of what one would call "human noise" I will (and so will Russ and others) continue to spend time on it until some sort of conclusion has been reached.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 22nd, 2016, 07:29 AM
 I appreciate the concern. I just thought you might want to know the reason why my thoughts get jumbled. Pain is the great confuser.
And yes I'm finished. Can't help unless help is wanted though. even though help was asked for by Russ..

 I really don't know why people try to replicate things anymore. I mean no one follows the original designer. Then claim there is nothing here, move along...

 and I'm really trying to be honest here. I did talk with Marko and it was an honor to be able to chat about his methods with the man.

 As another side note lets see what is being done with Tesla tech now a days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E8bnhIUCdY

 Pay attention to the self assembled nano tubes due to the Tesla effect... It is the same process that Plasma follows, in my honest opinion.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 23rd, 2016, 06:00 AM
We appreciate your (jbignes5) input, but we need to keep a higher level of focus.
It would be much appreciated if you could spend some time on the getting the vortex math translated into tangible geometry, wavelengths, magnetic and electric field mapping. That would be very very helpfull. I don't know why Marko hasn't done this long ago. Some day i will have a longer chat with him, other than the 30 seconds I spent last month, where I suggested this line of work. He said it would take a looong time - and that was the end of that conversation. It seemed like there wasn't really any interest from his side.

PS. As I kid I played with both the ZX-81, the ZX spectrum and the QL, which unfortunately didn't do too well. I also made systems with the Zilog and Motorola CPUs when I was in my early teens.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 23rd, 2016, 02:56 PM
hey guys, im back. thanks for all the comments. and well needed coil parameters Jeremy, please keep going.  i want to keep this thread to the testing and information related and less theoretical work.

jbignes5, than you for posting. i believe i ran across a coil design like that in the past. could have been yours.

i see your trying to communicate to me this information. i resonate with a lot of it. i also want to give you a separate thread to spill your ideas in to. as i do see some valid points that are interesting that i know others would like to hear as well.

i will then move some of theses posts there. i want to try to keep most of the theoretical work in a separate place as this thread can be more for building and testing of the coil (s)  of the 007 type.

all information theoretical and non is good tho. it can get us thinking.

i will post more things as i get time. just wanted to say thank you. and i will split this thread when i get a chance.

i spend a lot of time on my vacation reading / refreshing my understanding power factor and the basics on inductors and caps and LRC circuits. + resonance.
its been a while sense i have got in to the math...

i also looked over the Power Analysis software and probes i'm using.

i highly recommend reading the few chapters in these books:
http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/books/Hawkings%20Electrical%20Guide%20Full%20Set%20Vol%201-10.zip

read chapters about inducters caps and AC systems / power factor. most all the basics are there in very basic language and a lot of mechanical analogies. Tinman would like theses A LOT, they fit his expressions.

don't skip around in each chapter to much the books are from 1920(s) so some of the wording you will be lost if you don't read it all the way through.

more later,

~Russ








Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 23rd, 2016, 03:09 PM
Quote from Viking on June 23rd, 2016, 06:00 AM
We appreciate your (jbignes5) input, but we need to keep a higher level of focus.
It would be much appreciated if you could spend some time on the getting the vortex math translated into tangible geometry, wavelengths, magnetic and electric field mapping. That would be very very helpfull. I don't know why Marko hasn't done this long ago. Some day i will have a longer chat with him, other than the 30 seconds I spent last month, where I suggested this line of work. He said it would take a looong time - and that was the end of that conversation. It seemed like there wasn't really any interest from his side.

PS. As I kid I played with both the ZX-81, the ZX spectrum and the QL, which unfortunately didn't do too well. I also made systems with the Zilog and Motorola CPUs when I was in my early teens.
I got the same response but something I told him made him stutter. So I am sure this is along the lines of his discoveries. I don't have the patients or expertise to do the models that is why I am here. I was hoping someone would help with that.

 I think a simulation would be very simple but still beyond my skill set. We need a definable environment and set the rules of the Plasma to that environment. I bet it could be done on a very small scale at first then go to higher resolutions as processing power gets added in parallel. We could actually use the raspberry pi to help with that I'm betting. But for now we could use Graphic cards I bet to a better advantage. They are closer to the real engine for this simulation. We define the particles as the Sierpinski Triangle and assign values to the surfaces so it can motivate. We can add fluid dynamics and density rules as well for the plasma. Electrical body physics also drive the process if I didn't mention it before.

 P.S. The Sinclair or z80 I think was my second exposure to computers. My first was the Vic20. Yeah I spent a good long time with the 68k chip. Great times and I was helping to host the C0D Core of destruction BBS for quite some time, which was famous for many years.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 23rd, 2016, 03:23 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 23rd, 2016, 02:56 PM
hey guys, im back. thanks for all the comments. and well needed coil parameters Jeremy, please keep going.  i want to keep this thread to the testing and information related and less theoretical work.

jbignes5, than you for posting. i believe i ran across a coil design like that in the past. could have been yours.

i see your trying to communicate to me this information. i resonate with a lot of it. i also want to give you a separate thread to spill your ideas in to. as i do see some valid points that are interesting that i know others would like to hear as well.

i will then move some of theses posts there. i want to try to keep most of the theoretical work in a separate place as this thread can be more for building and testing of the coil (s)  of the 007 type.

all information theoretical and non is good tho. it can get us thinking.

i will post more things as i get time. just wanted to say thank you. and i will split this thread when i get a chance.

i spend a lot of time on my vacation reading / refreshing my understanding power factor and the basics on inductors and caps and LRC circuits. + resonance.
its been a while sense i have got in to the math...

i also looked over the Power Analysis software and probes i'm using.

i highly recommend reading the few chapters in these books:
http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/books/Hawkings%20Electrical%20Guide%20Full%20Set%20Vol%201-10.zip

read chapters about inducters caps and AC systems / power factor. most all the basics are there in very basic language and a lot of mechanical analogies. Tinman would like theses A LOT, they fit his expressions.

don't skip around in each chapter to much the books are from 1920(s) so some of the wording you will be lost if you don't read it all the way through.

more later,

~Russ
That is great Russ and yes it was my initial input you remember.

 My problem is that in order to figure out what is this coils premise we must understand the focal point. What was this 0 point Rodin got stuck on? I now am 99 percent sure it is plasma after talking with Marko myself. If we don't know all of the components of what this coil works with then how could we know the effects it makes and how to take advantage of those effects. Hence my intrusion into this thread. My posting here was to inform you of the results of my chat with MArko. There are things he can not go into because of NDA's. but he clued me into knowing I was on the right track. Of course he got screwed on that one. But I have no such agreement and I know I am so very close to understanding it. I posted all those things for a reason so that we could start to understand the real effects of this device, even 007's design. I'm not trying to be pushy but I truly believe the fingerprint of god is a single isolated shard of plasma. His coil was a way to lock on to that plasma and sense every vibration in the Universe at the same time through the connection plasma provides like a spider senses vibrations on it's web and automatically sense direction and intensity of those vibrations.

 The 007 version is a very loose compression around the plasma. Sortta like opening a crescent wrench to wide and trying to use it that way. The geometry of the voltage fields is not quite right so you see a very very small portion of gain or amplification of your input. But if we use a wrench shaped like the target object then we get full transfer with no slippage.

 I also know how to make it wireless using Tesla impulse technology. At least for the input side and create a bubble that can be used for anything we desire including space travel. After all why not take our environment we live with, with us. The bubble can be made to harden anywhere you desire and also has the benefit of a point based gravity to the center of the bubble. All the processes that happen around the globe can be present. this includes light, oxygen from plant growth, Water cycling and cleaning itself in the process. But we will never get there if we push away the original discoverer's methods to get to the 0 spot and harness it.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 23rd, 2016, 05:06 PM
 Let me explain a little about how i see this coil working on a finer level. Plasma can not enter itself because it is shaped like the Sierpinski triangle. When we lock it inside of the center point and energize the coil around it this locks it and attract a flow of plasma twords it. Since the plasma has sides to it, most likely 3 then the plasma accelerates twords the single plasma and gets split into 3 streams that deflect into the coil compressing the plasma into the inside of the coil. The voltage fields energize it and stiffen the plasma into the donut and creates a highly dynamic Ferris like material. A super Magnet if you will. Any spin of the central plasma particle will spin the internal plasma via the streams and walla you have a plasma transistor with the extra plasma serving as the power going through the transistor portion of the plasma. A dynamic field effect transistor to be exact.

 Another mode is to use it to move plasma through the center portion like a plasma propeller. it will work just like a propeller works in water but it is made of condensed plasma. In effect this mode is a way to move through space as in this rough example. They don't know about the plasma Universe because it is invisible till you intensify and gather it. And you know scientists they don't believe in anything they can not sense or touch.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRn4WpoNAyo

 Between Microsoft and Nasa, Marko's hands are tied now. But what made it to the public domain he can freely talk about. What didn't make it can not be talked about because they would ruin him for violating the NDA he signed, financially and every imaginable way you could think of. Marko is a family man and he cares about his children. He is only doing what any Father would do and protect his kids. Wouldn't you?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 24th, 2016, 01:12 AM
If Marko would have spent some time on studying things, he would known what's going on with NASA and how it's split in two. Regarding Microsoft, there's not much good to tell about them. Conclusion: Know  and think about who you are dealing with before you act, especially with important stuff like this. I have a feeling that he was not acting on his own free will, which in that case, might render a NDA invalid.

In fact this makes me even more keen on spending the effort to do a in-depth analysis of the coil !
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 24th, 2016, 07:40 AM
I was just trying to give a clue to what Marko told me. He couldn't get into deeper details because they trapped him with the usual tools they use to control us.. Money and personal responsibility for ones family. I assume he got some money from them and that if he talks about anything not released he will get nailed. That was the feeling I got and I know it was so because if you were listening in on the conversation you could hear the frustration and anguish. His hands are tied but I think I know enough about his thoughts, even from a small half hour conversation we had. I went right to explaining my side before he could start on his. This was to verify by his reactions, the validity of my conclusions of his device. Every response was like this, You are preaching to the choir. And this let me know he agreed.
 Everyone knows in this field that it is very hard to do anything especially when you have other things on your plate, like where are you going to get food and pay the bills. This is the trap they lay for us. Once you step in you are caught. Thats all I will say about that.
 Just to be clear Microsoft Validated the methodology and said he had something original. Nasa I am not sure of but the designs I am seeing are Rodin like, I assume he presented Nasa with his ideas and they bought them. I am assuming there but it makes sense.

 Marko only had one side of the device. The source is not mentioned at all to run the coil. Because Marko is outside of his expertise. This is where open source should pick up the mantle. Open source to me means freely sharing of concepts and a cooperation to a united goal. Excluding any information, even information that one thinks is only theory should not be partitioned off from the Original concepts discoverer or the exploration of his device. If we didn't know the theory behind our current system how could we design anything using that system. It's all theory at this point because they chose to disregard what they couldn't see.

 A sect of Faith is what gave birth to this coil. An act of faith should continue it's advancement. Listen we can't see the electron but everyone goes around saying it exists. Why? It's just a theory right? Or is there a certain faith involved even with that theory.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: AcidByte on June 24th, 2016, 10:42 AM
Quote from jbignes5 on June 22nd, 2016, 07:29 AM
I appreciate the concern. I just thought you might want to know the reason why my thoughts get jumbled. Pain is the great confuser.
And yes I'm finished. Can't help unless help is wanted though. even though help was asked for by Russ..

 I really don't know why people try to replicate things anymore. I mean no one follows the original designer. Then claim there is nothing here, move along...

 and I'm really trying to be honest here. I did talk with Marko and it was an honor to be able to chat about his methods with the man.

 As another side note lets see what is being done with Tesla tech now a days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E8bnhIUCdY

 Pay attention to the self assembled nano tubes due to the Tesla effect... It is the same process that Plasma follows, in my honest opinion.
I can see where you are going.
Edward Leedskalnin also brought out the hint in his magnetic current book on the last page.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: AcidByte on June 24th, 2016, 10:45 AM
Quote from jbignes5 on June 23rd, 2016, 03:09 PM
I got the same response but something I told him made him stutter. So I am sure this is along the lines of his discoveries. I don't have the patients or expertise to do the models that is why I am here. I was hoping someone would help with that.

 I think a simulation would be very simple but still beyond my skill set. We need a definable environment and set the rules of the Plasma to that environment. I bet it could be done on a very small scale at first then go to higher resolutions as processing power gets added in parallel. We could actually use the raspberry pi to help with that I'm betting. But for now we could use Graphic cards I bet to a better advantage. They are closer to the real engine for this simulation. We define the particles as the Sierpinski Triangle and assign values to the surfaces so it can motivate. We can add fluid dynamics and density rules as well for the plasma. Electrical body physics also drive the process if I didn't mention it before.

 P.S. The Sinclair or z80 I think was my second exposure to computers. My first was the Vic20. Yeah I spent a good long time with the 68k chip. Great times and I was helping to host the C0D Core of destruction BBS for quite some time, which was famous for many years.
I can help you build a model file.
please give me directions how you want it exactly to be (length/width/heigth  amount of slots for wire etc.. )
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 24th, 2016, 12:00 PM
Quote from AcidByte on June 24th, 2016, 10:45 AM
I can help you build a model file.
please give me directions how you want it exactly to be (length/width/heigth  amount of slots for wire etc.. )
Well I've been looking at NEC2 (http://www.nec2.org/) but not enough to say that's usable for this. It would also require doing a 3D model of the coil where the wire(s) are split into discrete segments. It should not be all that difficult, since it's basically log spirals in one plane and circles in the other.
Either Markos discrete sequence can be used (somehow) or one can use normal continous math functions.
I think there's also a EM plug in for solidworks. Never tried any of them really (never had to). One should keep in mind that the modern version of the Maxwell equations are incomplete, but it should never the less give some insight.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 24th, 2016, 12:04 PM
Quote from AcidByte on June 24th, 2016, 10:42 AM
I can see where you are going.
Edward Leedskalnin also brought out the hint in his magnetic current book on the last page.
Now you are on to it... Now you are starting to see..
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 24th, 2016, 12:56 PM
Quote from AcidByte on June 24th, 2016, 10:45 AM
I can help you build a model file.
please give me directions how you want it exactly to be (length/width/heigth  amount of slots for wire etc.. )
That is one thing I never paid attention to although I believe the size does matter but somewhere in my mind it reminds me that the angles are more important... I have posted the coil before but it needs to be changed a bit. Here it is again:

 This is the basic form of the coil. The bright white x in the middle is the wires, around the outer edge is wires also Dont know why i didn't continue with the bright white. The 3 horizontal portions are the form and i have a picture of the form I though would work best in prototype.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/jbignes5/Rodincoilformabc.png
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/jbignes5/rodincoilframe.jpg

 I'm sorry about photobucket. try not to click anything but the photo..

 This is the original drawing I did with my skill set:

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/jbignes5/rodincoildesignac2.png

 But again I don't think the basket weave is correct for the field coils.

 I think this is Rodins original torus mapping. This must be tied to the spacing he was talking about around the outside coils since the plasma would be excited along the planes of the plasma or looking down over the coil into the plasma. You know how if you wrap a coil around a neon tube it will excite the plasma in a textured way inside of the tube.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/jbignes5/sroden1.gif

 The bifilar wraps or active channel (Pair) or exciter field coils as I call them organize the plasma into two planes running opposite of each other. So the torus of plasma would reflect it's source by it's own organization right? Marko had the answer all along. He was mapping the reflection of the coil itself in the torus.

 I really need someone to model a single turn around the whole circumference of the circle. 6 wraps right, per turn? And then lay a sheet of plasma connecting all of the wires surface in those wraps. I'm betting in this mode its shape is a propeller.

 This can be still applied to your investigation Russ into 007's coil.

 I'm still of the opinion that you are still using a condensed plasma but it is like a bicycle tube like action. Squeeze and let it add some voltage of the plasma rebounding out which would assist the current going through the coil. One half cycle is squeezing the plasma and the other is getting a voltage assist as it rebounds out. The shorted coils are for the amount of reflection if the plasma gets wild, pushing it back in the torus. The varying magnetic field would be huge due to this. It may explain the huge current 007 detected around the whole coil in a single loop. Very interesting indeed...

 But if you are squeezing the plasma fields and it is rebounding that means mater will get agitated like in a microwave. Like I said AC is very dangerous when it is in a field like effect. EMF sickness is not a good thing. Imagine a very strong field waffling back and forth all mater around the device. Not to mention the field wires. This is the exact reason the coil is heating up and why there was a report of the center getting cooler. Plasma entering the aperture would cool or increase the conduction of space itself allowing the air and mater around that aperture in close proximity to loose heat.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 24th, 2016, 01:32 PM
It would seem that in this coil/transformer, there is (and 007 says so) no or very little change in input current as output current is being drawn. Can anyone explain this ??

There are 14 turns on the coil if there are 24 slots on the 11 forms - according to the MATLAB calculation I posted before.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 24th, 2016, 01:41 PM
Quote from Viking on June 24th, 2016, 01:32 PM
It would seem that in this coil/transformer, there is (and 007 says so) no or very little change in input current as output current is being drawn. Can anyone explain this ??
It might have something to do with the capacity of the whole bifilar coil. No one can deny the capacitance is so much higher in the bifilar design. Tesla always said that Capacitors were cumbersome and expensive to operate(failure rate). Why not build the capacitance right into the design of the coil itself. You would have to do some heavy current draw at the output and then see if the current raises on the input after some time. If it doesn't then it is self assisting the input like I suggested.
 Anyone else have any ideas about that question?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 24th, 2016, 02:14 PM
Here's something concrete everybody can do almost no matter what skills you have.
I have enclosed some pictures of the 007 coil connections and a schematic of the wire bundles as how I see them in those pictures. Can anyone figure out the detailed connections and post a schematic of it please ?
Think about configs with ONE primary wire, and having returning wires in the upper left cornes. Those connections are very short on the coil - probably to avoid adding extra length to them, while the other connections use relatively long stubs, as if their lengths are less critical.

If someone wants to read (up on)/about transmission lines, it would be a very very very good idea.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 24th, 2016, 02:27 PM

Wait didn't he post how he connected everything? The last thing I want to do is do exactly what they did in the Tariel Kapanadze thread on OU.com.. Trying to figure out the connections from poorly shot videos is so very complex of a job..
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 24th, 2016, 02:33 PM
Quote from jbignes5 on June 24th, 2016, 02:27 PM
Wait didn't he post how he connected everything? The last thing I want to do is do exactly what they did in the Tariel Kapanadze thread on OU.com.. Trying to figure out the connections from poorly shot videos is so very complex of a job..
Not that I have seen. He did his best NOT to explain it in any certain terms, together with all the other things he didn't say either.
But it's OK, the same principles, as I mentioned before, applies to this kind of stuff - that's just how it is.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 24th, 2016, 05:51 PM
 How come I remember Russ asking how it was connected?

 Oh wait it is making sense now.. I didn't catch it at first but he said he had a copper core right. Then he twisted wires around the core in pairs. 1 shorted 1 bifilar wind, 1 shorted 1 bifilaar wind.. He alternated the bifilar wrap around a shorted coil or bunch of shorted coils.

 Like this maybe?

.....sbs
....bccb
...scccs
....bccb
.....sbs

s=shorted
b=bifilar wind
c=copper core shorted

 The core would be straight wound and shorted with the reflector shorted winds wrapped next to the active bifilar wind in between
each shorted coil. You could even bifilar the copper core to give it more capacity and self terminate the bifilar wind. This should give the plasma containment more swing from the increased capacitance. but I'm seriously concerned about using AC or RF power in this coil. The agitation to the matter around it would be very dangerous in my opinion. My opinion would be to proceed with caution.

 As a side note here is some current tech being researched now. Listen to the part when they talk about the plasma and compressing it.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NC8vQfDiEc
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: AcidByte on June 24th, 2016, 10:58 PM
Quote from Viking on June 24th, 2016, 12:00 PM
Well I've been looking at NEC2 (http://www.nec2.org/) but not enough to say that's usable for this. It would also require doing a 3D model of the coil where the wire(s) are split into discrete segments. It should not be all that difficult, since it's basically log spirals in one plane and circles in the other.
Either Markos discrete sequence can be used (somehow) or one can use normal continous math functions.
I think there's also a EM plug in for solidworks. Never tried any of them really (never had to). One should keep in mind that the modern version of the Maxwell equations are incomplete, but it should never the less give some insight.
here is my rough sketch :)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: AcidByte on June 24th, 2016, 11:26 PM
Quote from Viking on June 24th, 2016, 12:00 PM
Well I've been looking at NEC2 (http://www.nec2.org/) but not enough to say that's usable for this. It would also require doing a 3D model of the coil where the wire(s) are split into discrete segments. It should not be all that difficult, since it's basically log spirals in one plane and circles in the other.
Either Markos discrete sequence can be used (somehow) or one can use normal continous math functions.
I think there's also a EM plug in for solidworks. Never tried any of them really (never had to). One should keep in mind that the modern version of the Maxwell equations are incomplete, but it should never the less give some insight.
i need to learn solid works.
i only know 3ds max to work with.
any tips on starting with solid works?
nice webpage btw :)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 25th, 2016, 03:58 AM
Quote from jbignes5 on June 24th, 2016, 05:51 PM
How come I remember Russ asking how it was connected?

 Oh wait it is making sense now.. I didn't catch it at first but he said he had a copper core right. Then he twisted wires around the core in pairs. 1 shorted 1 bifilar wind, 1 shorted 1 bifilaar wind.. He alternated the bifilar wrap around a shorted coil or bunch of shorted coils.
Yes he tried to say something of sort of a core or cord. Ne never said anything about a particular twisting, in fact he said that it was not important for now. Making cables with a specific layering, is actually not that easy. Funny thing is that there is no sign of such a core/cord in the images.

Regarding solidworks - there are some tutorials on youtube. I think the concept of 2D sketches and adding depths to it, in the form of shapes, is the same as for other 3D programs.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 25th, 2016, 04:19 AM
Going back to the vortex math. It seems the consensus is that if you create two opposing vortices, where they collapse, they don't create a singularity in the middle, but a synchronous emission of photon energy. The individual vortices (illustrated by 1-2-4-8-7-5-1 sequence)  may not be perfect because of the tolerances of the forms etc, but if they are allowed to have enough elasticity somehow (perhaps because of their length), they can synchronize to each other and work in unison.
That would mean that we need at least two counteracting vortice shapes (resulting in zero inductivity) and one or more windings to pick up the (electric) energy being emitted from the vortex center (avoiding the term singularity which it's not).
The characteristic wavelength of the individual coils is then proportional to the geometrically eqivalent length of the 3-9-6 cords.
What is being created is then RF energy from the ocillation between the electric and magnetic fields at the 3 and 6 positions going through 9.
At the vortex center photons are being created, presumably in the form of RF energy which can then be picked up by induction.

The 5 can be used to generate the geometrically constructed points on the logarithmic spiral, which has the optimal PHI ratio, which is the ratio that ensures the stability of everything in nature.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Adirondacks4me on June 25th, 2016, 07:53 AM
I'm still open minded but comments about replication have me a bit concerned. I watched Keshe put in step after step of ridiculous science with his latest production and to make his wild claims still seem feasible he would discredit people about very minor issues. Thus to keep his potential profits flowing and nothing being proved, Z put it to bed I believe. I'm not saying this is the case here yet, but I know Russ will do the best at replicating what is needed to try and prove this, with the current data present, one way or the other.... Good luck Russ, cause I need a cool power source for my future off grid cabin...L
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 25th, 2016, 09:38 AM
Quote from Adirondacks4me on June 25th, 2016, 07:53 AM
I'm still open minded but comments about replication have me a bit concerned. I watched Keshe put in step after step of ridiculous science with his latest production and to make his wild claims still seem feasible he would discredit people about very minor issues. Thus to keep his potential profits flowing and nothing being proved, Z put it to bed I believe. I'm not saying this is the case here yet, but I know Russ will do the best at replicating what is needed to try and prove this, with the current data present, one way or the other.... Good luck Russ, cause I need a cool power source for my future off grid cabin...L
The difference between Keshe and us here is that he has something to gain and we do not. No one is working here to make money. In fact if this pans out like I think it will, it will destroy money as we know it. Once you have unlimited clean and essentially free power who needs money? The slavery we have been tricked into will be gone and we can start to work on our Humanity. Purifying that will get rid of all and I mean all issues we are seeing today like inequality and straight out GREED to Racism. It will take time to adjust and to boot, this element when paired with a Tesla impulse generator would allow you to protect yourself easily.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 25th, 2016, 09:49 AM
Quote from Viking on June 25th, 2016, 03:58 AM
Yes he tried to say something of sort of a core or cord. Ne never said anything about a particular twisting, in fact he said that it was not important for now. Making cables with a specific layering, is actually not that easy. Funny thing is that there is no sign of such a core/cord in the images.

Regarding solidworks - there are some tutorials on youtube. I think the concept of 2D sketches and adding depths to it, in the form of shapes, is the same as for other 3D programs.
How do we currently use a core? You wrap wires around the core. Pretty simple.. Your trying to put too much thought into this. It is very very simple.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 25th, 2016, 09:55 AM
Quote from AcidByte on June 24th, 2016, 10:58 PM
here is my rough sketch :)
Is there enough room to swing the bifilar wires in both direction. like a lefthand and right hand angle when compared to the frame? We should try both angles in the experiments to see what the results would be and the wire notches must accommodate the changes in wire wrap angles.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 25th, 2016, 10:27 AM
Quote from Viking on June 25th, 2016, 04:19 AM
Going back to the vortex math. It seems the consensus is that if you create two opposing vortices, where they collapse, they don't create a singularity in the middle, but a synchronous emission of photon energy. The individual vortices (illustrated by 1-2-4-8-7-5-1 sequence)  may not be perfect because of the tolerances of the forms etc, but if they are allowed to have enough elasticity somehow (perhaps because of their length), they can synchronize to each other and work in unison.
That would mean that we need at least two counteracting vortice shapes (resulting in zero inductivity) and one or more windings to pick up the (electric) energy being emitted from the vortex center (avoiding the term singularity which it's not).
The characteristic wavelength of the individual coils is then proportional to the geometrically eqivalent length of the 3-9-6 cords.
What is being created is then RF energy from the ocillation between the electric and magnetic fields at the 3 and 6 positions going through 9.
At the vortex center photons are being created, presumably in the form of RF energy which can then be picked up by induction.

The 5 can be used to generate the geometrically constructed points on the logarithmic spiral, which has the optimal PHI ratio, which is the ratio that ensures the stability of everything in nature.
The math is only the angles needed to harness the conductor. The electric force is the only thing we need to provide in an impulse mode. Since we all know that we can create a magnetic response through the use of electric potentials any magnetic force would be a result of the electric condition we make. Current is the result of the differences of voltage potential and mater reacting to that difference. It's very simple really. Make a dam and the potential allows to you harness the flow. In this case we try to hold onto one piece and allow the pressure to flow through our system. Harnessing that flow could be as easy as designing pickup coils around the main coil. Which would allow us to control or divert this flow for our purposes.
 The Tokamack: "A tokamak (Russian: токамак) is a device that uses a powerful magnetic field to confine plasma in the shape of a torus. Achieving a stable plasma equilibrium requires magnetic field lines that move around the torus in a helical shape." is the result of trying to use AC or straight DC to accomplish this task. It is heavily shielded and separates the plasma from it's source. The Rodin coil is a way to interface with the plasma and condense it through it's own pressure. Because they use traditional power it is nothing but futility. The secret must be Tesla's new method of Impulses. Simply because it is an attractor of plasma and nothing else. AC goes both ways across the zero line and it will always net ZERO in the end.
 Do you guys remember the thought experiment of Tesla's about generating energy in the form of an barrel under the water. Poke a hole in the side and if it is small enough to take into account evaporation of that water he could put a small paddlewheel there and generate limitless energy. This is the machine to do just that.
 We all live in a space that has a great amount of cold plasma layered around this globe. It has a pressure to it from that density. learn how to make or focus a stream from that pressure and you could generate as much energy as you wished.
 Gravity is nothing more then the plasma moving into a vacuum. All of the effects we see from magnetics and radiation to weather is born around that globe are from the movement of plasma twords a vacuum of itself. So the plasma is already there flowing. We could stabilize our globe and the weather by drawing from the denisity of this plasma and take some of the density that builds up and uselessly discharges into our atmosphere. We could make this world better by using this technology. It's a win win situation...

 The Rodin coil is a way to make a hole in a way. It then allows the flow of plasma into it's body and will allow it to leak away through the spaces in between the bifilar winds. Hence the reason for the spaces. But Rodin didn't know about Tesla's technology because someone erased all material on the subject. This is what they confiscated from Tesla after his death. He was working on a dynamic theory of gravity and it only makes sense that he used what he learned about the plasma (aether). They knew back then what runs it all and kept us from gaining the knowledge till now. Now it is our time to advance our humanity like Tesla knew we could. They can not hide it anymore because Tesla broke up the information into tiny subjects which he researched all through his life. His experiments proved it at every turn. It's not about magnetism it is about what causes magnetism to happen and that quite simply is voltage differences between two points in space and a way to connect the two points.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 25th, 2016, 11:09 AM
Noise Noise Noise, we will get our result using our theory which was known since ancient time, untill we all were hijacked and the knowledge kept away in the name of the so called age of elightenment, which seems to have been quite the opposite. Now it's time to rediscover the old math and the knowledge that was once there and use it in our modern context of living. From that we will also soon know the real origin and history of humans on this planet.
What lies ahead is a redifinition and modernisation of our societies into a structure that is fair and sustainable for all including the earth itself.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 25th, 2016, 05:09 PM
officially derailed
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 25th, 2016, 07:03 PM
 Yeah so the deniers start already.. I'm trying to figure out the device.

 Why is it you guys ask for help to understand what you are seeing and then don't accept the help to understand that device.. It's a Rodin coil and that is what I am trying to investigate and try to help Russ as well. I'm sorry you don't see it that way. Marko does....

 The one thing I will say and then I'll ask a question...

 This is a Marko Rodin coil, not a 007 coil. If you use it in this configuration in my opinion it would be very unhealthy. We (some of us) are working to show that the 007 is just that, a watered down version of Marko's technology turned dangerous. Will you deny that there is such a thing as EMF sickness?

 I showed a system to drive the coil properly without harm to our biological life, the Tesla impulse system. I have tried to show the many proof of what I was saying by relating easily viewed material to those references. I even went as far to include a cold plasma fluid system to show a better understanding what this system does. I related ways to take energy off the plasma by induction. All of these methods are real methods we use everywhere. Except for the cold plasma stuff. That is a new understanding of the Universe.

 I told you this is a propeller made of condensed plasma and a plasma transistor in high energy mode. I am giving you it all and yet I get this.. This thread is about a Marko Rodin coil. They wanted thoughts on how it works. I validated my ideas by calling Marko himself. Which was not an easy job. Marko knew about the plasma but he didn't know how to attract it right. The math didn't give a source only the tool (coil). Thats where I stepped in and tried to relate what this device is and how it is supposed to be used. Obviously open sourcing means something totally different to you...

 So is my help needed because I now have some help? If not then Yes Russ move my posts to a new thread. I'm going ahead to research this device the Rodin Coil with the help of others in a truly open source way. Too bad that coil you have wont get tested with the impulse circuit. It would have been nice to see the reslts with that design. Russ please be aware of the output of that device with AC currents or even pulsed DC. Neither of them are very safe...

 Tesla was searching for a way to make energy safe for transmission. The problem is in the back and forth action across the zero line. It is destructive to matter like microwaves are... it creates cancer and all kinds of sicknesses... Just beware...
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on June 25th, 2016, 08:08 PM
Quote from jeremy gwilt on June 25th, 2016, 05:09 PM
officially derailed
I reckon so.

I know you observed a wide bandwidth effect with this device, but other than that feature, have we pretty much hit a wall?

Myself, I'm still rather concerned about the custom PSU and what is going on inside that box.  That could be where all the magic is hidden in 007's presentation.  At this point, I suspect two things:  (1) 007 could probably produce a looper if he intended to.  (2) Without the custom PSU I highly doubt he would have been able to show us anything of value in his presentation.

By way of logical deduction, I'm inclined to think the PSU in combination with the Rodin coil is where the secret lies, since we really can't be too certain when powering lamps we have a clear case of overunity.

A test I would still like to see completed is input power on the audio amplifier to compare against it's output power.  My hunch is this audio amplifier wastes (clamps) reactive power coming back from the Rodin coil instead of recycling it.  If this is true, then just getting to unity is going to be quite a challenge without a rethink of the signal generation method.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 25th, 2016, 08:52 PM
Just FYI. Wether it's deraild or not. I'm saying please keep posting.

Like I said a few days back. All feed back is welcome and I will move the non related or " theory" out of this thred for it to keep going.
Untill then. Keep posting.

After I split the thred. Then we can call it derailed if we need to.

I'm still quite positive about this all and Way Way more testing need to be done before we have much to say.

I already proved one effect that 007 and others have seen. And we can see that is is indeed a power factor meserment error. So now to see if we can get to what 007 showed in his first setup. That is the black box converter.

007 told me directly that that was a key component. But everything is a "net work"

So we keep moving forward.

Chins up everyone.

One day at a time.

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 25th, 2016, 09:09 PM
good call russ, i should have left the 'officially' part out.
matt, ya....im still early in data collection as well.i did measure what i thought to be a very impressive power transfer from L1 to L2 , for the coil being air core and having such a large space between the windings.
i think the large versatile cap bank like russ was talking about will be very handy moving forward.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: AcidByte on June 26th, 2016, 02:28 AM
Quote from ~Russ on June 25th, 2016, 08:52 PM
I already proved one effect that 007 and others have seen. And we can see that is is indeed a power factor meserment error. So now to see if we can get to what 007 showed in his first setup. That is the black box converter.

007 told me directly that that was a key component. But everything is a "net work"
In what video did you see this "black box"?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 26th, 2016, 07:31 AM
 Ok Russ instead of true open source and the help you requested about the Rodin coil you deem my posts as being derailing.

 How is this then: You are not open sourcing anything. I tried to warn you about the effects of using a system like 007's. Hell why not go further and open a microwave and expose yourself to that instead. THIS IS DANGEROUS and I attempted to warn you.

 What I don't understand is the rejection of Marko's original device that this bastardization is. Just like that happened to Tesla any bad things that happen from your example will steer people away from the real Rodin device. Did you wonder why the breaker blew halfway through the chat you and Marko had with 007? Marko has been trying to say that this device is wrong. Yet the only thing you are going to do for Marko is prove to others that his device is DANGEROUS.

 I give up Russ you have chosen to ignore the warnings. You have chosen to say this is open source and yet it is NOT. Do mme a favor and DELETE my posts. I do not want my name associated with this 007 device!

 I actually respected you but I have lost that respect my friend. You are no more open source the the rest of the sites out there. No one can connect the dot like Marko did. Ask yourself how Rodin got this information. Ask yourself after sitting with Marko and talking with him that you could shoot him in the back like you are doing.

 Again delete the information I provided please. I don't want my stuff going towords you or anyone else here. Such hypocrites you are.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: alloytam on June 26th, 2016, 08:29 AM
cool down man,
anyway as far as i concerned...
closed/exposure with HighVoltage is not good to living things,
just depend how to deal with it...

and this 007 coil need to be explore...
just give some times for the exploration

some time accident/mistake might happen
and discovery were make...
during R&D

Cheers
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 26th, 2016, 09:27 AM
Quote from jbignes5 on June 26th, 2016, 07:31 AM
Ok Russ instead of true open source and the help you requested about the Rodin coil you deem my posts as being derailing.
russ actually stuck up for you and lent his support when others (like myself) see your posts as counter productive theorycrafting.

*sigh*.....

tests on the rodin coil will continue. you can choose to lend yourself to the task or not.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 26th, 2016, 09:41 AM
 Ok. I want to help.

 Lets see what plasma is and how it interacts with a magnetic field.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B-lKgcQJvg

 Just hear me out and you'll understand the concept behind the Rodin coil. It's good to know the operation of the original in order to figure this 007 version.

 In that example in the video what they are doing is removing the mater from the jar. Only plasma is left. They then intensify the plasma with the voltage field. This intensifies, polarizes and condenses the plasma from the environment including outside of the jar. Albeit slower because it has to squeeze in between the mater. The block in the middle is a magnet. The waves coming down from the electrode is just the oscillator they are using. If they used impulses that wouldn't happen and the structure would be more defined. But it was the only example I could find for my purposes atm. This process is not making the plasma. The plasma is already present. We are just revealing the structure of the plasma through an intensifying field. It is a weak structure because it waffles back and forth across the zero line in it's potential. This is where I suggest you use the impulse Technology instead of dangerous energy you are using. Tesla didn't intend on staying with the power system he sold, it was supposed to be a crutch until he got the process more refined. He knew energy could be safer and more useful for everything in it's sphere. But what he discovered is that the plasma is the key, the vehicle of energy itself. The lighting he so marveled. The reason for all fields.

 Now, obviously most replications have their own spin on the originators directions. Some are good and some are very very dangerous. You wouldn't go touch a power line that was carrying 100k volts out on the street. AC is dangerous especially when you are amplifying it. I suspect that device is amplifying the AC and all attempts at playing with that kind of an emf field should be monitored intensely. Playing around with this particular device could have some dire consequences. I am concerned about safety issues at this point. Although you have reflectors built into it, there are spaces that have very concentrated emf fields and will fly out of the inside of the coil. I talked about EMF sickness with high AC fields and there is a damn good reason why. It is not conducive to the biological mater you call your body. It can make you very sick in it's field form especially at higher voltages. Tesla knew that and was working on an improvement to the AC system. Impulse energy is that improvement.

 Impulse energy was the missing key Marko didn't know about. He doesn't know how to connect it. He has no clue other then his original ideas and well that deals with plasma itself lol. He said that a long time ago. Since plasma science is so new I could see why you are scoffing but it is none the less real and it has several forms. The AC version is kinda destructive but does show the form of plasma in a magnetic field as you have seen in the video above. I know giving up old concepts in light of new discoveries can be a bitter pill when swallowed but none the less this is what is responsible for all energy transfers. We know this now. It's a fact. And we can shape it and control it at our will. We are all connected through this plasma. It is so dynamic, I doubt we could get a resolution of it. I'm betting it is fractal dynamic<-Now that is a Theory, fyi. If you can attract enough of it and know how to change it's consistency you could do anything you desired.

 Ok here is some proof for you. We can make plasmoids right? We can produce lightning from energy right? Why is it so hard to believe that the plasma must be coming from somewhere.. Why not All around us...  We even have a bioelectric field... You guessed it, it's a plasma field. At what point does it make it true to you that what I'm telling you is the other half of the Rodin device?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 26th, 2016, 01:40 PM
OK your plasma theories are noted (Keshe would love them). Oscillating/pulsing plasma seems to be very usefull for a lot of things (keeping warm at a campfire being an example, fluorescent ligths being another, etc etc).
OK I concur that there may well be EM emissions with high power from the coil.
OK I concur that a single sinewave may not be optimal to drive the coil
I don't agree that the ether could should be called a plasma.

Measurements and calculations, modelling and simulations together with further study of "Markos" math will now follow and the results will be posted including if there is damaging EM radiation from the coil.

One thing is for sure, we will not sell out or sign any contracts with the kabbal. They will have to use their best technology to get to us, but it will already be too late 'cos it's going to be on the internet before they get to do their dirty work - and believe me, I have heard my share of horrible stories first hand.

I suggest now that this thread sticks to everything practical and factual that has to do with this actual coil.
I suggest creating a new thread: "Vortex coil theory" (where anything goes) and perhaps another one: "Vortex math and how it applies to physics" which is strictly how vortex math can be factually proven to be correlated with known physics.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 26th, 2016, 07:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDdAbFP7TtE

 If you would like to see the plasma event happen when around magnetics this should show you how it condenses and becomes magnified with intensity. This happens no matter if there is a vacuum or not, just to less effect. It happens all around our electronics and allows conduction to flow around wires and circuits. You can clearly see the plasma is already in the jar and only gets intensified by the high voltage AC field. Now realize the danger here. Listen to him about the heating of the electrodes. When AC or RF is used the material of the electrodes gets very hot. Little current and modest voltages about 1k highest Full plasma jar intensification and 250 or so for the condensed plasma but a doubling of the current. With AC used as the exciter things get complicated. reducing that complication would be to invert one of the swings and at bare minimum use a pulsed DC. This will get you closer but the method I suggest firstly with the impulse circuit is the best method.

 Just so you know I'm not bs'n you about what we have learned:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Lynx on June 26th, 2016, 11:37 PM
Quote from Viking on June 26th, 2016, 01:40 PM
I suggest now that this thread sticks to everything practical and factual that has to do with this actual coil.
I suggest creating a new thread: "Vortex coil theory" (where anything goes) and perhaps another one: "Vortex math and how it applies to physics" which is strictly how vortex math can be factually proven to be correlated with known physics.
This is actually an excellent idea :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 27th, 2016, 01:52 PM
 One last warning about using oscillation in this coil.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It1rLHM9gOw

 Halfway through this video is the exact reason I am so worried. At around the 5 minute mark he exclaims "oooh". Then apologizes about the video quality because of a Dizzy spell after the unit starts.. This is because of emf sickness from the field going in and out from the tube. You will have that same experience at some point. This is when you need to stop. This design was not made for AC currents Since it magnifies the field and then releases it with addition force from the waffling signal. Please use at the least a dc pulse, I beg you.. Make sure the pulse does not go below the zero volt line. This is very important.

 Does anyone remember the Cap discharge experiments that shrunk coins? Imagine that happening in mater all around this coil.

 My opinion is that this device uses a pressure of energy(Impulses) in one direction. It is not designed for oscillation but a stream.
Much like how they harvest energy from Niagara falls.

 I see this 007 design operating like the bicycle tube as an example of the plasma that forms. It compresses it through the successive overlapping rings of conductors. It also twists the plasma in the same action. Each successive squeeze packs more plasma inside of the coils in a torus and lets it rebound assisted into the reflector shorted coils. When the energy is highest it will discharge beyond the reflectors ability to maintain the reflective inductive characteristic of the wire. This swill send huge blasts of magnetic field out from the coils in the shape of the spaces between your wire loops. Technically you would be doing the same process as a laser at that point. Who knows what frequencies it would include. As you have seen there are 3 signals on the test scope... The proof is there you only have to be willing to recognize what it is and how it is operating.

 I am also of the opinion that 007 knew this. It is a way of discrediting Marko's design through how dangerous it would be to utilize it this way. Didn't the breaker pop as well during 007's presentation. That was most likely due to the amount of current he was generating through the blasts hitting the charged wires in that area. Kinda like an EMP... But it doesn't mean the design is faulty. Just that you are not using the right source to drive it. This stuff acts like it is dc but it isn't. it has the finest division of the plasma matter individually exciting matter and conveying a potential change only. As a response plasma flows into the mater. The flow is dictated by the plasma density with higher densities conveying energy through all mater with increased density. Mater will puff slightly but it will be able to amplify it's energy permissive nature and amplify the results.Plus being in this field amplifies your own energy. This was the magnifying effect Tesla discovered. You impulse the density and tune receivers to that impulse train frequency and they tap that energy. To boot it also amplifies it allowing more work to be done passing energy to and from the matter. Like i said the mater will puff slightly but tight control over this is simple to install harmonic dampeners. Or better yet power source outlets for traditional AC on the spot converters, till we get our tools and daily life stuff converted over. Once we learn how to circulate larger portion of space we can set up mini environments with all the trappings of home including central gravity weather like wind and rain if needed. Why do you think Tesla anchored the tower so deep for. It wasn't a ground plane. It was an anchor to keep the tower from rising from all the plasma density in a sphere all around the tower. That included the ground to. Remember plasma density is dictated by buoyancy rules. Raise the density of the plasma and Walla a plasma balloon. I think I don't need to say Coral castle do I?.. Leedskalnin used water to penetrate the coral and excited the water to unleash the plasma within it. This floated the coral like a balloon. This energy is friendly to the human condition and others have shown it, by using lighting in water and reaching in while it is running where it does nothing to them.

 This sounds fantastical but this is what Tesla envisioned for us. Plus you can be as safe as you please in these spheres Nothing can penetrate the shell if you don't want ti to that includes space itself. Tesla taught us lighting techniques as well to use with this kind of system. Tesla didn't go into the energy system because he had difficulty doing such after Wardencliff. But he did continue and designed a system that was portable due to a virtual ground system. A system that connects to the ground inductively through the plasma system already flowing around us going twords the vacuum of plasma in the center of our core that is displaced by condensed mater or bound plasmoids. Remember plasma is the fourth state of matter. And all matter is condensed mater. Learn how to change the density of condensed matter and you increase it's energy capability. The very same thing happens when you cool a wire down to it lowest levels. What happens? Resistance lowers. All radiant heat is how much charge is running through space. More plasma then higher heat levels will be felt or to be exact the capability to transfer heat is augmented in that space.

 The easiest way to do this would be to make the Earth one electrode and cause the plasma to condense around the whole planet further. Everyone and everything would be augmented and so would our current technology. The one problem i can see is that we would have to lower our AC sources down to a very low level around the whole planet to adjust for the increased conduction around the globe. More testing should prove this out very easily. We can even block anything from enering our atmosphere by using the tremendous energy on that atmosphere surface. This includes invaders from space ROFL! Tin foil hat applied...:P

 This is actually my last post don't worry.. Someone is helping atm that can see this as well. Please don't hurt yourselves with this version of the Rodin coil and using AC or RF currents.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 27th, 2016, 06:03 PM
Can you sketch how the wire strands are supposed to be hooked up ?
Can you sketch how a DC pulse should look like to drive the coil properly ?
Do you sketch how the magnetic fields look like around the coil ?
Do you have any calculations regarding this coil ?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 27th, 2016, 06:57 PM
OK folks, here are some measurements of impedance for 3-12 strands in continues series connection. 1-2 strands have no low freq. resonant peaks.
Other characteristics are:
Length = l = 18 meter including 20 cm connection stubs
wire diameter d = 0.56mm
Single wire resistance at DC = Rdc=1.02 ohms
Inductance and resistance measured at 120Hz, 1 KHz, 10kHz and 100Khz are:
Lx=(73.15, 72.40, 71.42, 70.17) uH
Rx=(1.03, 1.03, 1.06, 1.86) ohms
Notice how the skin effect is small until above 10 KHz
Inter-strand capacitance = Cxy = 1.24nF-1.48nF
A plot of the capacitance matrix may follow later.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 27th, 2016, 08:37 PM
Quote from Viking on June 27th, 2016, 06:03 PM
Can you sketch how the wire strands are supposed to be hooked up ?
Can you sketch how a DC pulse should look like to drive the coil properly ?
Do you sketch how the magnetic fields look like around the coil ?
Do you have any calculations regarding this coil ?
I will be able to show you more about the real marko device. Stl files and a build by a fellow researcher and a member of this forum.

 The magnetic fields I can not sketch yet. We are working on a model for the Marko coil not the 007 model.. I would think the plasma insode of the coil would be a twisted torus. The magnetic field should follow the plasma right? Since the plasma is dynamic in density the magnetic field would be in the plasma form. the plasma would change density and the torus would increase and decrease or puff up and deflate.

 Again the wiring should be for the rodin coil just like it is on the torus diagram. with spaces on both sides of each wrap pair. On the 007 coil I have no friken clue about the wiring.  With Impulse current the timing is controlled by the magnetic spark gap and anything after that gap should be statically shielded with segments to match the amount of impulses per second. I recommend shielding the gap as well to reduce interference to surrounding devices. You can ground shielding of pre gap wires using a cap or choke to reduce feedback.

 We would have to do experiments to provide calculations and math first for the Rodin coil. This is kind of a blind alley really... more will follow when we get a prototype up and running first. Then tackle the data we observe. This thing is a motivator meaning it might move during the test. So we should be prepared for that.

 You asked about the dc pulse. Well the smaller the current the better the results. Meaning the pulse width should be of relatively small area. Of course this means 20k Plus pulses that do not go below the zero line. Please make sure you do not go below the line. You might get some results for a bit but I'm betting it would have negative effects. Naturally this means the voltage will be higher initially but safer in the long run.

 Really I would rather wait for further talk about this till we start testing. One of the guys I talked to about this did a test of the process as best as he could understand it. It shows the effects of a field of this in all things especially the noise it produces in recording equipment. Thats why the need for shielding after the magnetic gap.

 Here is a video of the impulser.

 Don't pay attention to his talking. Just forward to the device he shows.
You can forward to 23:00 and go from there
 Pay attention to the spark gap. The last gap has the magnetic poles across the gap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uwqnN596VM

 The reason why he was getting ozone is because he hooked the bulb before the Gap which is RF. That is what he misunderstood.

 Remember the effect of the current staying the same but the Voltage increases when you add a load like the tubes he had. Also he magnetised the chest below the system lolz. Another effect of no shielding...

 Also please check the end of the show here. He shows you the inside of a power transformer. Very interesting stuff... Most of the current comes from the third leg(Ground) on the pole the other end is the hot after the AC coil. This draws the current from the ground into the house and oscillates it back and forth from the high voltage and very low current on the pole. Yes it does convert a small amount from the transformer but a majority of the current comes from the ground itself like a huge capacitor.

 In Tesla's version it doesn't have to have a real ground and it a pressurized globe of plasma that forms all around the device if you shield the wires with reflectors which keep it compressed. The capacitance of the top load of his tower was an electrode to gather the plasma.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 29th, 2016, 12:39 AM
More work to do and be done. But for now here is the LED bulb broke down.

Could not get it to light with 60dc. That is just the LED strip I mean.

Ok. More later. Just no time.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 29th, 2016, 12:43 AM
:;-)

All LED strips are in parrall. There is something like 28 less in series on each strip.

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 29th, 2016, 12:46 AM
Impedance maps look NICE. I will be doing the same but in more depth with coil configurations. Geese not enough time.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 29th, 2016, 05:33 AM
OK folks, here are inductance and resistance mesurements. Note how the inductance is only proportional to N2 (N actually being 23 turns each) in the beginning, after that it increases more linearly. Raw data is in the attached m-file (textfile for MATLAB).

Also included a screenshot of the LED bulb (which is apparently LED's stringed together) I, U characteristic. It's definitely non-linear and an ohmic approximation. Little harmonic noise generators in fact.. huh.. wonder if they pass any of the EU or US regulations..
In the scope shot, Orange is bulb voltage and cyan is the current with 1V=1A (used a 1ohm resistor in series).
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 29th, 2016, 04:52 PM
Just checking the thing that happened during the 007 demo where the traces on the scope looked weird. Most propably it was the bad ground connection on the yellow channel, which made the trace itself and the current trace jitter from 50 Hz overlay.
Made a matlab script to emulate that situation. Enclosed are pics. Can anyone take an analytical look at the picture and give some feedback please.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on June 29th, 2016, 05:19 PM
looks like a great bunch of data. im kicking myself now for not numbering my strands!
i dont know about the scope jitter....i get that kind of thing on my cheap-o handheld all the time. the offset is interesting though, and looks similar to some of the loaded signals ive played with.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 29th, 2016, 06:48 PM
Does anyone have access to a network analyzer that can do a full spectrum measurement of the coil ?
There must be two inherent resonant frequencies of this coil:
1. From distributed inductance and inter-strand capacitance => low resonant freq - see prev. posts
2. From distributed inductance and capacitance in winding gap space => high resonant freq.
Or if anyone want's to facilitate access to a network analyser it would be helpfull to the progress,
My opinion is that standing wave situations can be created under the right circumstances that reduces lenz's law and extracts energy from the vaccum, possibly via an extra oscillating magnetic field, that via (normal) induction transfers the power into the load.
Those circumstances could be something with the segments of the coil going into synchronization because of the loose coupling between them.
They each have their chracteristic frequency, but since they are relative equal, they can go into sympathetic oscillation and create a much stronger coherent magnetic field.
In fact you can hear the coils sound vibration change in intensity at specific frequencies...

Sympathetic oscillations video:
https://youtu.be/YG5hP5_oNIc
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 29th, 2016, 07:09 PM
OK folks, here are some data from reviewing the 007 video:
Solar charger configuration:
Coil input voltage: 46.5V
Coil input current: 0.85 A
Coil output voltage: 216.2V
Coil output current: 0.9 A
Coil input frequency: 1.306 kHz
Output capacitor: 2.5uF
Coil currents and output voltage frequency: 4 kHz
Solar charger input voltage: 20.3V
Solar charger battery charge current: 10.5A
Solar charger input power: 150W
Solar charger battery voltage: 14.5V

LED "filament" lamp demo:
Coil input voltage (analog meter): 38 V
Coil input voltage (digital meter): 37.31 V
Coil input current (analog meter): 1.25A
Coil input current (scope): 1.12 A
Coil output voltage (analog meter): 110V
Coil output voltage (digital meter): 109.8V
Coil output voltage (scope): 110V
Coil output current (analog meter): 1.25A
Coil output current (scope): 1.15A
Phase between voltage and current: Volt 90 degrees ahead of current = > 100% reactive

007 says that input and output is on the same wire => input current = output current because the wires are in series
Currents and output voltage is 3x input frequency with the input a square wave (probably using 2nd harmonic, (3x freq) )

NOTE that current measured on the output seems NOT to be the current to the bulbs but something else.. could be current to the capacitor - not sure.
Possibly there is a 3-way connection because the bulbs draws about 0.5A and the current on the scope shows 1A 100% sinewave shaped (current from bulbs are square wave 25% duty). See enclosed pictures.
By the way. The 230V bulbs turn on only at 150V. So with 110V they must be US LED bulbs. It's kind of out of the question to put the bulbs in series, because the voltage would be too low (55V)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 30th, 2016, 01:42 AM
nice work. I'll have to go over that info in more detail.

Just spent way to Manny hrs doing impedance mesurments.

I'll put the data together tomorrow. But basically I found some really intresting things leaving an open ended coil. Or even a Loop input. Via keeping the input non eletricaly connected I got high peeks around the 1.9khz Mark.

Some photos here.

Live feed will also be posted.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 30th, 2016, 01:43 AM
Oh sleep please.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 30th, 2016, 08:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HtM9Y_vNHI
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on June 30th, 2016, 12:26 PM
Acidbyte could you model the 007 design in 3d please including the wire bundles. Then i will draw over it what i think is going on in this coil...

 If you could show top down and angled view from the side it would be appreciated... Also a half slice of the 3d model. I would also need a single wire bundle example of the shape it gets from the form so i can describe the process that shapes the plasma.. If it looks nuts then ok but it might help you figure this out a bit to see it from my side.Just hear me out, you never know..
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on June 30th, 2016, 01:40 PM
OK folks here are the capacitance measurements betwen the different strands and a plot of it. Didn't try to sort them to see what strand are closest to what other strand. The cable is wound with strand 1-24 in a circular way, although I think I screwed up the positioning somewhere.. :-o
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 30th, 2016, 05:09 PM
nice work viking.
 my measurements I'm going to confirm are correct by checking the analog Z analyzer. 

but for now here is a measurement of L1 and L2 in series but isolated. then the L3 and L4 shorted. but i went through a bunch of things not sure if something was funny or working correct so will see. more testing to be done.



Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 30th, 2016, 05:19 PM
photo
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on June 30th, 2016, 05:21 PM
it seemed that open or shorted on L3 and L4 did not change much, polarize ( bipolar) did not change much and even as a " loop" on L1 and L2 did not madder to much... kinda interesting. more to test before I'm convened . could be a measurement fluke 

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on July 1st, 2016, 11:47 AM
 Or maybe the core is self adjusting? And yes it could always be a measuring fluke.. But if it is repeatable I don't know how that it could be a measure issue...

 I saw on the network analyzer something about enabling a theory? Whats that about?

 Would we be able to put Rodin's math into the analyzer?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on July 4th, 2016, 02:55 PM
Well some tests show that when exiting the coil, a strong magnetic field is created in the center of the coil. This induces 5-6 volts in a 100 winding coil on a ferrite bar. This can in turn drive 1A through a 12V 21W bulb (6.9 ohms when fully lit). It can also couple to another vortex coil with much the same characteristics if a 10mm (0.4") ferrite bar is placed (suspended) symmetrically in the centers of the coil - thus coupling them together magnetically.
Power measurements follow, but current has a tendency to drop when loading the coil with the bulb.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: AcidByte on July 4th, 2016, 03:24 PM
jbignes5,

why did you tell us/me you spoke to marko over the phone and say that he confirmed your design?
i had contact with marko by email.
he tells me its wrong.
if you had just being honest about it i would have helped you with the design.
but i aint the person helping people who make false statements just to get their design made and tested.

im sorry i have to tell here.
cause i think the open source community deserves to know about this.

Jeroen.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: AcidByte on July 4th, 2016, 03:26 PM
Quote from Viking on July 4th, 2016, 02:55 PM
Well some tests show that when exiting the coil, a strong magnetic field is created in the center of the coil. This induces 5-6 volts in a 100 winding coil on a ferrite bar. This can in turn drive 1A through a 12V 21W bulb (6.9 ohms when fully lit). It can also couple to another vortex coil with much the same characteristics if a 10mm (0.4") ferrite bar is placed (suspended) symmetrically in the centers of the coil - thus coupling them together magnetically.
Power measurements follow, but current has a tendency to drop when loading the coil with the bulb.
its just a suggestion but maybe cone shaped spiral as pickup coils would work.?
spiral cone coils are on my bucked list so i think i will give it a shot and share the results.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on July 5th, 2016, 12:46 PM
Quote from AcidByte on July 4th, 2016, 03:24 PM
jbignes5,

why did you tell us/me you spoke to marko over the phone and say that he confirmed your design?
i had contact with marko by email.
he tells me its wrong.
if you had just being honest about it i would have helped you with the design.
but i aint the person helping people who make false statements just to get their design made and tested.

im sorry i have to tell here.
cause i think the open source community deserves to know about this.

Jeroen.
Listen I talked with Marko on the phone. The phone call I had with him was at best in a hurry since he was in "Survival mode". The first thing we discussed was how the math relates to the plasma. I told him I have a design and started to try and confirm with him if he thought it would work. He declined and told me he didn't know about that aspect. But I continued to chat about how I saw it working with the addition of the plasma condensed inside of the coil and that I saw it as a plasma propeller. I didn't get to go into the whole conversation because he said he didn't have the expertise, that is why he turned me to Russ. How can he know what the design is if he said quite clearly HE DIDN'T have the expertise. If he knows how the coil should be then why are we here trying to figure that out? It's a lie! Of course the design of mine is not like he envisioned it because he wanted to use PLASMA all by itself and a variable width conductor versions. I never said he verified my design, what he verified was the information I was using to come to that conclusion. If I led you to believe that I showed him the design and he approved, well that was not what I said or meant. I clearly said he verified the information that led me to the coils design that I had been working on many many years ago. Every question I asked him was the verification of the plasma and the shape of the plasma within the coil.
 Listen Marko is a bit out there, my call was to verify my information and to tell you the truth at least about electronics he sounded a bit vague. When I pressed him on verifying this version or even my version he couldn't even say anything and would only refer to Russ for that. Next he spouted about NDA's and promised cash that wasn't delivered. I did not lie. I did talk to him and I tried to get him to focus on this design for which he was more worried about his "Survival mode" instead of chatting any further.
 Again the verification was about the plasma and the torus mapping. In the first place where did you get his email? I was forced to contact him through skype and that was the only way he would respond.  Plus unless you actually talk to Marko I wouldn't believe it is him. Especially an email.. That is why I phoned him instead of emailing an address that I could not verify as Marko himself.

 Ok I get it.. This is my last comment and then it is back to me doing the work alone. Ever since I registered here all I have gotten is guff from you guys. I get it. It's not open source you are after here, it is not about working the math and angles. It isn't fair play and even a modicum of safety in mind for the people who read these pages and might not know the dangers. It seems to me this is a game of come to our pay for events and the rest is lip service with your hands out. Do as you will. Encourage people to work on things that they have no idea about and the long term effects of being exposed to RF currents. Go ahead.

 PS when I tried to go into the impulse portion he clammed up and then the NDA bs came out. Obviously he doesn't know a thing about electronics or coils. In every coil that I have know about in electronic there is a core. Even in an air core there is an air core except the air has a set permeability, especially with low level voltages. That is my basis for thinking that the plasma can be attracted to the center of said coil from the air and condensed inside of the coil but you will never see it with AC or RF currents because AC is powered in the + and in the - direction and crosses the center line so there will be no condensing of the plasma in a meaningful way.

 Maybe I'm onto something and he knows it, maybe he is a lunatic and we all got played but What I shared with you was the truth.

 AGAIN if you don't understand electronics and must go to someone like Russ then how does he know it's wrong? You know before this I was thinking this guy was a genius, but now you have shown me he is not and is a complete fake looking to make a buck to survive on. I was actually sticking up for him and gave him the benefit of the doubt.

 In the first place let me inform the community about your comments that you think this is NOT an open source community at all. As long as we are being honest. I valued your help and if you came to me with this I would have told you where you went wrong in your assumption that I said he verified my design. I believe I clearly stated he verified my ideas about the process. For which every answer was "you are preaching to the choir.". So My point would be this. If I was onto it and me and him talked about it would it violate the nda's he had?

 You told me you agreed with me about my post about being treated like this wasn't open source and then got me to accept you on facebook. I will be removing that. As for your admission about getting an email from Marko, well he was surprised I got in touch with him on the phone and that makes me wonder about the emails origin or if it is plainly a LIE.

 As for everyone else who actually listened well Good luck to you and if you have no idea about RF energy then stay out of the kitchen.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on July 5th, 2016, 01:40 PM
The world is indeed a strange place.But thanks jbignes5 for sharing the info on your conversation with Marko.
At some point I will make that 3D section model of the coil (or any similar type of coil for that matter). It can shed light on the exact geometry, the coil parameters and perhap the EM field shape of it. Definitely it should be possible to at least calculate the DC magnetic field where it does not have an electric field (well that's until you move it right and left, then it suddenly appears ;) ).
Meanwhile, I have updated the message with the input and "output" measurements in the 007 demo for the case of the lightbulbs.
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37493#msg37493
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 5th, 2016, 02:46 PM
things can bet a bit off track so ill jsut posting this to clear up any miss conceptions.

just so everyone knows, I'm all about open source and sharing and learning and teaching...

so all the back and forth is harsh for me, this is kinda why i m just sitting back and watching the chat. its hard for me to make judgment calls on what i don't know..

all i know is that I'm working on a replication of 007's coil... and i don't have all the answers...  i have posted all i know and here we work on this coil... as a group, and as people trying to do something good...

nuff said,

~Russ

back to work,
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 5th, 2016, 04:47 PM
alright guys with out further a due, here is a link to the " black box" that 007 was using... or something close to it.  but has it been Modified? not sure?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA67038T2564&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-HI+-+LED+Light+Bulbs-_-9SIA67038T2564&gclid=CNWT0ufA3c0CFUVhfgod9v8PlQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

caps in the same place and everything

viking and i have been picking this apart more and more

dont get me wrong, that case could be use for a lot of things, but... even the caps are in the same place inside... so its our best guess

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 5th, 2016, 05:43 PM
wow... 25$... ok ordered...
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on July 6th, 2016, 05:32 AM
Can anyone do a thorough search for the ELCAPs used in 007 demo ?

Attached is a near shot of it. I have not been able to find them and check if they are special in any way. They appear larger than what most ELCAPS of 220uF/450V are.

Also attached is a  preliminary image of an overview of the setup with the lamps with the (output) connections highlighted in blue.
What is clear now, is that the output current measured is NOT the current to the bulbs. Instead it looks like it's the coils current and voltage as it appears 10% inductive. It might be though, that one of the traces were inverted , to add to the obfuscation.
Anyway - so it appears that the current to the bulbs is running elsewhere. The effect of them though can be seen by the slight distortion of the voltage waveform as it's at the peaks when they draw the current (see previously posted waveforms).

Isn't it just wonderfull.. ?? :P
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 6th, 2016, 08:51 AM
more testing, mostly with the HV config, bidirectional.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUCGOTwkRpI

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 6th, 2016, 04:40 PM
more coil screen shots from 007 demo's

one can see the one coil is different in some slide. some have long leeds some short:

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 6th, 2016, 04:49 PM
FYI teh coil with the good REZ photos is a cross config coil... so there is only 2 outputs. wire automatically goes back in the coil at the " split"
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jrodney55 on July 6th, 2016, 09:13 PM
Hi Russ - I don't know whether this has any bearing or use, but I was experimenting with the Knotplot app & finally got the correct 3D coil configuration - at least I think I did. What I'm noticing is that when I set up 11 formers, the wires don't line up with the slots, but when I use 12, everything lines up perfectly. So in terms of geometry, 11 formers with 24 slots distorts the geometry - maybe only slightly - but with 12 the geometry stays as it is naturally formed. A couple of screenshots attached.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: geg on July 7th, 2016, 07:25 AM
Quote from jrodney55 on July 6th, 2016, 09:13 PM
Hi Russ - I don't know whether this has any bearing or use, but I was experimenting with the Knotplot app & finally got the correct 3D coil configuration - at least I think I did. What I'm noticing is that when I set up 11 formers, the wires don't line up with the slots, but when I use 12, everything lines up perfectly. So in terms of geometry, 11 formers with 24 slots distorts the geometry - maybe only slightly - but with 12 the geometry stays as it is naturally formed. A couple of screenshots attached.
I think so ,  I made a STL file with 12 Formers for those who want to test, click the link below

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3PEt_f3pr2wdmN3MzRLLW5jREk/view?usp=sharing
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 7th, 2016, 11:06 AM
nice work Jim,

can you post that screen shot of the program and the coils. so we can explain to others that there are Manny other individual coils when doing it 12x12

this i understand but others might not, so to briefly explain it, the reason we don't use 12 former's is that the circuit would need to " jump" a loop every time through the torus...  hope this makes since... its basically a way to make the coil easier. however it is not the same as the math when done this way...

more coil testing this morning and coupling coils together as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rawtCA0iBVo

just trying stuff out.

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 7th, 2016, 12:03 PM
from the video i just posted:

here's one for ya

???

comments please...

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Vortex Joe on July 7th, 2016, 03:01 PM
Hey Russ, nice setup you have there, really enjoying watching your progress. Any ozone production while achieving output voltage like that? I dont have a scope but when Im in the 300-500v output range I get hissing and a very strong ozone smell. The coupling between the coils is fascinating.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 7th, 2016, 04:17 PM
hey, welcome Joe, so i don't get hissing or ozone ( not that i can smell ) but do get a nice buz from the coil. i think i smelt some ozone but not much, not like i would think, that could be due to the coil configuration. and wiring setup.

you say 300-500V is that RMS voltage? if using DMM i would say yes. ???

also feel free to share your experience more. i know you have played with theses a lot.



geg,  thanks for the files. like i was saying before if you use 12 you will be more on par with the math, however you will end up with Manny more coils ( 6 or 12 to be correct) and that is why we use the 11, it makes for a single wind around the torus.

~Russ

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: talisman on July 7th, 2016, 04:25 PM
 
Congrats Russ.

I tested a small starship coil and came out with analog and digital values over unity on June 22
with no amplifier using 5 - 6 volts DC only. 

Should post it soon having the event on video but have been thinking. I am 99% sure but a bit
more testing would would enhance the confidence level.

The hardest part is to get people to believe the coil... most are locked in their boxes in their space
and do not hear or accept the results.

 





     
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 7th, 2016, 04:38 PM
by the way this is old but might be helpful to understand the "simple" complexity of how the math works with the coil.

http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/vortex-base-math-research/the-math/

http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Russell_Gries%27s_perspective%20_on_the_activation_sequence_of_the_ABHA_torus_using_electricity.pdf

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 7th, 2016, 04:40 PM
Quote from talisman on July 7th, 2016, 04:25 PM
Congrats Russ.

I tested a small starship coil and came out with analog and digital values over unity on June 22
with no amplifier using 5 - 6 volts DC only. 

Should post it soon having the event on video but have been thinking. I am 99% sure but a bit
more testing would would enhance the confidence level.

The hardest part is to get people to believe the coil... most are locked in their boxes in their space
and do not hear or accept the results.
welcome,

thanks for the feed back,

please tell me how you were measuring the coil.  and with what meters / scope.

also a simple schematic would be good.

thanks for sharing your results! 

~Russ

FYI, if you click the reply near the top or bottom of the post's you can attache images...
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on July 7th, 2016, 04:43 PM
hey, you managed to drop the question marks on the scope...thats a good sign, right?!  theres a lot going on in that scope shot so its kind of tough to see. ill try your arrangement tonight.
a thought: is there any way for you to power the amp and everything via a DC to AC inverter so the entire system will run from battery? i didnt pay close enough attention to how you were powering your signal generator etc. my thought is that the entire rig could be measured at idle then powered up and you would know the DC draw from the battery pack. yes, it would still be possible to claim 'battery effect', but it would knock down one more door for ya. maybe one of us can start getting results like you and you wont feel like such a marionette   :)
love the OSD
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 7th, 2016, 04:54 PM
Quote from jeremy gwilt on July 7th, 2016, 04:43 PM
hey, you managed to drop the question marks on the scope...thats a good sign, right?!  theres a lot going on in that scope shot so its kind of tough to see. ill try your arrangement tonight.
a thought: is there any way for you to power the amp and everything via a DC to AC inverter so the entire system will run from battery? i didnt pay close enough attention to how you were powering your signal generator etc. my thought is that the entire rig could be measured at idle then powered up and you would know the DC draw from the battery pack. yes, it would still be possible to claim 'battery effect', but it would knock down one more door for ya. maybe one of us can start getting results like you and you wont feel like such a marionette   :)
love the OSD
yeah, so im not worried about the power consumption of the generator / amp at the moment.

like Matt said a while back there is a golden circuit ( or so it looks) with the push pull with clamping. high effencty driver / gen... then we can worry about the draw. at that point ill run it off a solar cell. lol then i can claim no battery effect and measure true input lol   

but yes, at some point we will need to set it up like that. right now i'm not trying to convenience any one of OU i'm trying to find the best way to run / connect / wire this coil...

i will be going back and trying this test again and document it better and make sure everything is correct. i feel it was measurements.

any how looking forward to your testing in that config.

still cool to see that much power being transferred between that coil and cap but not where the amp input is. its all in the coil / cap.

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 7th, 2016, 04:58 PM
Quote from ~Russ on July 7th, 2016, 04:38 PM
by the way this is old but might be helpful to understand the "simple" complexity of how the math works with the coil.

http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/vortex-base-math-research/the-math/

http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Russell_Gries%27s_perspective%20_on_the_activation_sequence_of_the_ABHA_torus_using_electricity.pdf

~Russ
because i know you wont go watch them there ill post them here:
this was old, but still helpful to understand how the wire is laid according to the math.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lQhuXzIJgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACxx-7L1RaE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko3frb8G14w

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on July 7th, 2016, 04:59 PM
oh hell ya.....air core with about a cm between windings and it still transfers that well? thats unheard of from where im sitting. i was inputting 2 mA  @ 6v  .... 2 milliamps! and still getting over 1 mA @6v returning in the pickup coil.
to be sure, it is quite an amazing configuration.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on July 7th, 2016, 05:04 PM
load connected to the cap?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: talisman on July 7th, 2016, 05:06 PM
I am out of town now so I have to get my stuff. I used a mastercraft multimeter for volts and an innova automobile mutimeter for amps with the digital readings. No scope. The amperage for analog was done with a couple of new 10 amp panel meters. The voltage difference was not so significant. The first happening was using a single 6 volt lead acid battery run down to about 5.5 volts.

Later I got better results with a simular power range AC adapter but want try another adapter the very same in case of damage as the input on the adpter was 6.15 open ended while I think the other 4 I have put put about 6.46 volts at maximum 1.2 amp. I trust the readings at this time but want to see more physical evidence, such as more power lifting a wheight.

Holding small motors to max amp had more torque than the adapter alone.

For the control the input was much the same without the coil and the output was not increased.

I will try to post a small diagram later tonight it is really simple but I am on the run.

I think (hypothesis) that this coil found some resonance with a DC light along with the motor befor the motor alone.

                                           
               
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Vortex Joe on July 7th, 2016, 06:52 PM
My set up is very modest, I have a POE heavy cross pattern coil from 1stopenergies. 1000v .15uf caps (250v caps exploded) 2 DMM (RMS measurements), audio amplifier, use F generator iphone app (limited to 20khz), various loads. The circuit I find works best is the same as what Russ posted. I have also wound Bifillar pancake coils as a receiver coil with pretty good results but nothing close to the coupling I just saw in Russ's video. 300V and up i get massive ozone hiss and smell, i think its from the cross pattern. I know Daniel Nunez encased his in resin to eliminate this and have seen others submerge it in oil. Over Unity measurements with a meter are easily achievable and was very happy to see some confirmation in the scope measurements. There are also interesting effects when you spin magnets near the center and the system draws less wattage. Another interesting note is when I put my pancake coil on top of the vortex coil open ended it will all run fine but if i short the pancake coil the whole circuit will short out as if the pancake coil is wired to the vortex coil. The point is these vortex coils magnetic/electric fields are very much part of the circuit. I do believe the ultimate overunity test would be  DC>PWM>COIL+CIRCUIT>RECTIFIER>DC

Heres my coil and a picture of a HPS bulb with an interesting arc in the bulb. I could shrink or grow the frequency of the pulses with a magnet and move it around the tube.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: talisman on July 7th, 2016, 10:40 PM
If the coil works in resin then the source of the additional power amplification can pass through a solid inert
material as a core...  transformation. I was going to try this to see if it still worked in epoxy yet the resonance
would  have thought needed air space for harmonic vibe.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 8th, 2016, 01:17 AM
now this thred is going some where. Nice work everyone. Keep up the testing and sharing results. I will be going back and doing a better documentation on my testing. Currently just testing everything and seeing what seems to work for what. Then I'll dig deeper. Good thing is that everything is recorded on the live stream....

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 8th, 2016, 03:50 AM
Quote from talisman on July 7th, 2016, 10:40 PM
If the coil works in resin then the source of the additional power amplification can pass through a solid inert
material as a core...  transformation. I was going to try this to see if it still worked in epoxy yet the resonance
would  have thought needed air space for harmonic vibe.
I don't think that coil resonance relates to harmonics / sound.  I believe it more likely relates to how the energy moves around the coil - ie at certain frequencies the energy hits a harmonious pulse which spins up a good 'tornado' shaped energy field around and through the torus
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: geg on July 8th, 2016, 07:22 AM
Quote from ~Russ on July 7th, 2016, 04:17 PM
hey, welcome Joe, so i don't get hissing or ozone ( not that i can smell ) but do get a nice buz from the coil. i think i smelt some ozone but not much, not like i would think, that could be due to the coil configuration. and wiring setup.

you say 300-500V is that RMS voltage? if using DMM i would say yes. ???

also feel free to share your experience more. i know you have played with theses a lot.



geg,  thanks for the files. like i was saying before if you use 12 you will be more on par with the math, however you will end up with Manny more coils ( 6 or 12 to be correct) and that is why we use the 11, it makes for a single wind around the torus.

~Russ
Thanks Russ , always learn a lot from you , will do more test
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Vortex Joe on July 8th, 2016, 07:50 AM
For the record, taking measurements with DMMs at the load the best I have done is doubled my input power. LEDs seem to work best for me. I have been meaning to get a couple of the 50-100w LED chips from eBay and compare with the LED driver that comes with them for efficiency. Can anyone recommend a PWM that has a good frequency range. I'd like to order one for testing from a 12 v battery.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: talisman on July 8th, 2016, 10:58 AM
Quote from PJ on July 8th, 2016, 03:50 AM
I don't think that coil resonance relates to harmonics / sound.  I believe it more likely relates to how the energy moves around the coil - ie at certain frequencies the energy hits a harmonious pulse which spins up a good 'tornado' shaped energy field around and through the torus
Exactly. The harmonics of a wave does not have to be a sound nor does the "vibe" or vibration.

Interestingly motors and arcs have created notes and sound waves.

I was not so clear in the figure of speech comparison. I have had motor generator configurations where the wires move around in air in the electromotive/electromagnetic field.

The common solid cores absorb through:

hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/hyst.html

"If an alternating magnetic field is applied to the material, its magnetization will trace out a loop called a hysteresis loop. The lack of retraceability of the magnetization curve is the property called hysteresis and it is related to the existence of magnetic domains in the material."

The observation is that the epoxy has no known magnetic electrical properties,
but air has some, and if there is activity on the skin of the conductor it affect the nearby material as in all dielectrics and materials eventually break down under electrical currents
(so this was the consideration of using a resin unless it is a type that has magnetic properties
as a core.

 
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: talisman on July 8th, 2016, 10:02 PM

I could not imbed the picture as the editor will only accept links to websites meaning I
have to find another site to upload first before using; it will not accept the local file protocols
for uploading often used.

Russ I suddenly had a problem out of nowhere out of left field with uploading on my channel
(I don't know why possibly because I am using a lot of wii hotspots on my road trip now),
 I will get it fixed with You Tube and Google.

Anyway the recorded first over-unity measure used a coil (digital and analog agreed)
of course the amp measure was placed from the single 6 volt lead acid battery that was
run down to about 5.5 volts.

The coil and the output amp was measured from the coil output positive to the motor
positive.

The small starship coil is:

12 points
30 gauge thin magnet wire
about 3.5 inches across.
In contrast to the golf tees I used cheap dollar store screws
(steel or something alloy unknown)
to wrap the points drilled in to a polyethylene lid.
The coil was one single layer in a bifilar arrangement.

The light to load and tune with the motor was 12v DC 21 watt.
The motor was a new 1 inch DC rated 12v 11500 rpm 15.5 watt universal PM.

It is noteworthy that a 5 about 5 inch larger 22 gauge did not produce anything
more than a possible hair or even output (no impedance matching or tuning or
resonance at those low power levels). 

 

 
   
   
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on July 10th, 2016, 10:44 AM
Nice to see the activity blossom up.

I have performed some tests with a ferrite core in the center and with a 100 winding coil on a ferrite core:

Normally when you run the coil, there is a power loss in it, from the resistance of the wires. The higher the currents circulating, the higher the losses. Current is highest at resonance.

If you add a ferrite core in the center, the inductance of the coil will go up and move the resonance frequency down. If the frequency is not altered the current will go down and so will the losses.

If you load the magnetic field with a pickup coil (eg. 100 windings) and a resistive load like a 12V bulb the resonance frequency will also go down as above although not as much. Also the bulb will light up. The current from the power supply does not go to the same high level as when the coil is not loaded magnetically, and some of the power that was loses before, is now used for driving the 12V bulb.

So resistance of the coil creates losses.
Now if the resistance of the coil could be reduced to zero, how would the coil behave ??

This post is just to explain the phenomenon of the current dropping when the coil is loaded.

Picture of 12V bulb being driven by the coil is attached.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on July 11th, 2016, 03:17 AM
Hello folks,

Enclosed are some network analyser measurements of a single strand of the coil. There is an impedance peak and a standing wave ratio peak of 2.9 at a frequency of 1.60 and 1.65 GHz respectively (slightly different). See enclosed plots. Maybe for some of you folks, those types of plots will make sense.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: talisman on July 11th, 2016, 06:59 AM

" Also the bulb will light up. The current from the power supply does not go to the same high level as when the coil is not loaded magnetically, and some of the power that was loses before, is now used for driving the 12V bulb."

Just so I can grasp this : The power supply loads the coil and the magnetic field.
                                     
                                        The resistive lightbulb lights but there is a lower than expected draw from the power supply.
                                     
                                        The hypothesis is it is lower than expected because some that was losses before (without
                                        a magnetized core) is used to power the light.

                                          My thought is that this could mean 2 things,

                                         1) less power draw because more total power is flowing to the system.
                                   
                                         2) less power draw than expected because the bulb is partly using the
                                             magnetized potential of the core.
 
       Just theory...     what was before losses are now bulb using (like storage) so the draw is less...
                             
                               .... would the power draw go up later on to keep the same level of magnetization
                                  and power?....
                             
                                ...the bulb should over time use up the losses in loading the coil and core unless
                                  more power is being generated in the system and the draw go up to stabilize at
                                  a higher level.

    Just trying to understand ...

       
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 11th, 2016, 05:21 PM
nice work guys, i hope to get in to the lab in the next day.

i have some ideas to try with setting the coils up as bifilar, and then in a separate coil on top i will set them up as bucking.

the coil on top will be the one a draw power from... just an idea.

more when i get to test...

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 11th, 2016, 05:31 PM
Something like this.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jrodney55 on July 11th, 2016, 10:44 PM
Quote from ~Russ on July 7th, 2016, 04:58 PM
because i know you wont go watch them there ill post them here:
this was old, but still helpful to understand how the wire is laid according to the math.

~Russ
Quote from ~Russ on July 7th, 2016, 04:38 PM
by the way this is old but might be helpful to understand the "simple" complexity of how the math works with the coil.

http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/vortex-base-math-research/the-math/

http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Russell_Gries%27s_perspective%20_on_the_activation_sequence_of_the_ABHA_torus_using_electricity.pdf

~Russ
Russ this is incredible work - I had no idea you had delved into this so deeply.

Just for the heck of it I'm still seeing if I can nail the 3D coil geometry in Knotplot - screenshots below are the closest I've gotten - but wires don't line up well - I'm in the ballpark - but basically just trial & error. I did do a single coil wound in the right direction - then duplicated & rotated 30 degrees. I included a screenshot of Knotplot settings if anyone else wants to play with it.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on July 12th, 2016, 04:32 AM
Some more measurements on the coil.
This time there are 12 strands in series and terminated with a 220ohm resistor. I get a high impedance resonanse at 32 KHz.
I'm exiting the coil with a sine wave sweeping from below  the resonance freq and above it (-/+ 16 kHz)
Scope channels 1-4 are located at the generator, strand 4, 8 and 12 (the end) respectively.
Enclosed screenshots and an animated gif. Frequency and RMS values are on the scope shots.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: themaltodexter on July 12th, 2016, 01:04 PM
Quote from Viking on July 10th, 2016, 10:44 AM
Normally when you run the coil, there is a power loss in it, from the resistance of the wires. The higher the currents circulating, the higher the losses. Current is highest at resonance.
https://youtu.be/qhHPgvSiH4A?t=135 the graphene, which acts as negative resistor (making current flow backward) should actually create the opposite effect of positive resistance.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on July 12th, 2016, 02:41 PM
The graphene or whatever it really was, shown by 007 was more likely a piece of silicon-carbide with a graphene layer on it (it is commonly used as a substrate for it).

It showed a negative temperature coefficient (not negative resistance) which is common with semiconductors (anyone used a 5 cent NTC resistor ?) like silicon-carbide (carborundum). NTC is not a property of graphene. Graphene is among many things a superconductor.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 13th, 2016, 01:14 PM
nice work Viking.

so i decited to day that the real math for a 36x36 coil would be 2 times through the hole. the same as i show in my old videos.

really the 9x9 would be only one. or in out cast we have made a 9x36 ( one time through the hole and 11 times ( 12 for the math) )

no we are using 11 former's so that's not really right any how... but just to talk VBM and KISS ( keep it simple stupid) im using numbers that come from the math.

so to make a real coul 36x36 we will end up with Manny Manny circuits that all need to be combined and it would get messy ( unless we drove each coil separately like i described in my videos.

so i decided to try to make a 36x36 with the coil form. ( or really it would be a 18x36) any it gets really confusing and i may even mess it up but basically its not to hard to understand...

so i did this:

this leaves us with 3 extra slots. one for the other coil. and if we wanted we could even wrap them the other direction but i'm not liking that idea.

ill get a length measurement soon. just some phone cable i had on hand to test with... the wires tend to bend sharp now that we are at a much better angle ( the smaller wires will stay in there now too, but the bigger ones will kink)

~Russ

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 13th, 2016, 01:15 PM
go
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 13th, 2016, 01:16 PM
tighter vortex....
more evenly spreed magnetic field...
balanced...
non asymmetric ( per winding)
closer to the math ( yes we still need the extra gap space if we really want to go with the math and also the 12 forms)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 13th, 2016, 01:23 PM
you can see what i mean here:
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 13th, 2016, 01:37 PM
9x9 similarity.

what I'm trying to tell you is that although the math works for a 9x9 marko thinks its not correct. 36x36 is the smallest coil.

either way it would be interesting to test both...  i think ill wind one to test with.

ill need to come up with a standard test procedure for all variations of coils, including the wire numbering ideas we have...

please feel free to post your thoughts on what should be set up for standard testing procedures.

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 13th, 2016, 01:40 PM
this will help you all in understanding the math:
http://vortexmath.netii.net/

and this will make you understand the Phi ratio we need to think about...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxuU8jYkA1k

I, tom, Randy and a few others work together on this a while back. i did very little in theses but was there for some of it, good stuff.

 Jim, lets talk about a new coil jig...  one that is Phi. we did this here at work in mathematica, but its unpractical to try to make jigs with mathematica... so its better to start over...

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 14th, 2016, 12:37 AM
Great work Russ!
This is the direction I was going when I recently built the inner first Phi torus.
Unfortunately it didn't produce any good voltage spikes for me.
My understanding is you are looking at the second phi torus 36 x 36 modified to make winding easier.
I started to look at the 3rd phi torus 36 x 99 which has three circuits each looping through 4 times.   It could be built with two separate windings similar to 007 torus with third one empty for the gap.   
The geometry would be a bit harder to wind but it would exactly match the maths i think.
I may have a go at modelling the frame work for this third torus.
Will send you files if i do
PJ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 14th, 2016, 04:44 AM
If I were to build you a framework for the third phi torus what outer diameter would you like for the torus? 
I was thinking of doing a foot (304.8mm) purely as it is an old unit of measure and similar dimension to the large torus sizes you are building.  This dimension would be to the centre of the wire/winding.
At a ratio of phi ^5 : 1 for outer diameter to inner diameter that would make the inner diameter 27.5mm I think (anyone want to double check this?)
Also what thickness would you like the formers to be?
Thanks in advance
PJ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 14th, 2016, 09:28 AM
PJ,

here is the math:

see attached.

The problem is the smaller the hole the harder to get the wire through...

so a 36x36 seems better. to me anyway.

also the bigger we go the harder is it go 3d print parts for most people, unless you have a big printer.

so a Tori for a 270mm for the measurement A
gives us:
 B= 62.068
 F= 103.966
F= former OD


that's a good size.

however we are not sure if we can get 36 of the same size slots on the same OD former... we may need to change that or make it bigger.

I'm not really liking the other maps. Marko also stated he dose not like a 9x9, states its not a correct torus. I don't know, the math still works. so...

any way. Jim and I are making the Former and Ring for this new Phi torus. we also are designing a clip to hold the wire in place that can be spun around to open only the space needed.

~Russ

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on July 14th, 2016, 10:02 AM
that clip is bloody brilliant
ive been working on wiring this up, my low-budget solution for easy re-configuration.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 14th, 2016, 10:09 AM
nice work Jermy,

i ended up using terminal blocks too, i'm having a hard tome with what you have there due to the HV produced :) might arc1 BUT that's a grand idea! nice work! let me know how it works out!

as long as we stay Low voltage that may be the best way in the future!

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 14th, 2016, 10:17 AM
Hi Russ
I understand what you mean about the third stage phi torus 36 x 99 being hard due to the smaller hole.  I think I'll still have a go at modeling the framework.
I have figured out how to map the correct path using 3DS Max so I will send a file if that is of use to others and screen captures etc. in case someone else also wants to try build this version.
Keep up the great work!
Your 3D printer looks amazing!
I have a makerbot replicator gen 5 which is a bit clunky.
It's 3am here so I will put some files together tonight and send through then
Cheers
PJ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 14th, 2016, 10:26 AM
cool PJ,

yes please post the screen shot, would live to see them!

27mm is a small hole! But it can be done!

we must test everything :)

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 14th, 2016, 12:55 PM
I think i have a better idea :)

The second stage phi torus is based on phi^3 : 1 for outer diameter to inner diameter and a grid of 36 x 36.  12 circuits all looping through the torus once.
Phi^3 = 4.2358...
The 36 in the 36 x 36 grid is made from four 9 x 9 number grids therefore the 36 x 36 grid can also be considered as a 4 x 4 grid (where each magor grid is made up of a minor grid of 9 x 9).
In summary torus proportions are:
4.2385:1 for 4 x 4 grid.

Ok the third stage phi torus is based on phi^5 : 1 for outer diameter to inner diameter and a grid of 36 x 99. 3 circuits each looping through the centre 4 times.
Phi^5=11.089...
The 36 x 99 grid when broken down to 9 x 9 sub grids gives a 4 x 11 grid.
In summary torus proportions are
11.089:1 for 4 x 11 grid.

Do you see the pattern....? :P

Approx. 4:1 proportions for 4 x 4 grid and approximately 11:1 proportions for 4 x 11 grid!

Ok the first 4 in the 4 x 4 and 4 x 11 grids is always 4 so if we consider the second numbers I'm pretty sure that even second numbers result in many circuits (possibly always 12?) looping through the centre once and odd second numbers result in less circuits (possibly always 3?) looping through the centre 4 times.....

So my thought is this - why not move one grid up from the 4 x 4 grid to 4 x 5 which should have proportions approximately 5:1 and 3 circuits each looping through the centre 4 times??
Definitely buildable and following closely to the phi proportions.
What do you think?
PJ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 15th, 2016, 04:22 AM
Ok I have done some work on the 4x5 (36x45) torus design.
I have attatched screen captures, notes and a 3DS Max file.
I'm hopping some one in the group will have better skills, more time and the enthusiasm to take this further and model the formers :)
Cheers
PJ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on July 15th, 2016, 07:14 PM
Latest 3DP files in mm STEP214 format attached, as per Russ' request.

My master IronCAD file is version 12, so I tagged to the two exports the same.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: talisman on July 16th, 2016, 08:02 AM

Marko said the coil is ready. Should he have supplied a coil? I will have to assume the original design is validated now that we are adding hubcaps and spokes to the wheel with each needing their own separate validation.     
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 17th, 2016, 10:02 PM
Anyone got anything new to share? Seems me time to work on this project is slim. Trying to get some more work and a video maid on what I did so far.

In the mean time. Here is a new C clip that Jim and I have created.

Will load the STL file Tomarrow. Basicaly it's a rotatable clip so the wires stay in place.

We have been testing the new 36 slot Phi toruis. It seems the small hole is to small. The wire dose not fit. To steep of an angle.

We may need to use the same hole size and make the outter bigger to match the Phi ratio.

More to do. 

Also to answer talisman question.

Markos "coil" would be directly the math. That's what the new Phi frame will be.

The 007 coil still stands as * needs to be verified.

And I'm still going forth with that.

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 17th, 2016, 10:04 PM
No good to fit wire.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 18th, 2016, 12:01 AM
Hi Russ
You show a 3D image of where the windings are too tight for the latest torus you are designing.
Could you post a 3D image of the completed new torus you want including windings, torus dimension, thickness you want for formers etc.
I'll assume you want 4mm wires.
I think I may br able to model something that will work for you
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 18th, 2016, 12:19 AM
If you could save off some sort of 3D file - .stl, .obj, .fbx etc that would be helpfull
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Gunther Rattay on July 18th, 2016, 08:53 AM
It would have been much easier to start with Marco´s coil, get proof of concept and then make modifications.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 18th, 2016, 09:33 AM
This is without a doubt a very hard project.
The efforts shown by people on this Web site is truly amazing - particularly your efforts Russ.
I for one hope you are able to keep going with this project.
Don't worry about posting a 3D file for me - i have looked at your photos and last 3D image and I can see each former has 36 wire spaces and that there are 11 formers so i should be able to model the path.
Ill assume you want 270mm outer diameter with phi : 1 proportions for the inner diameter.
Its 2:30am here - I've just fed our baby and im awake so I'll have a crack at a former that might work for you - it may not have the lightening holes and connection cutouts yet but ill send you a .stl so you can let me know if you think this may work.
PJ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 18th, 2016, 09:36 AM
Sorry that's phi^3:1 propotions right?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 18th, 2016, 09:39 AM
I get an inner diameter of 63.74mm
Let me know if this is incorrect
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 18th, 2016, 10:56 AM
Ok I have created a 3D model that matches as far as I can tell Russ's latest design.
I think this will work.
I will attatch 2 screen captures, 2 .stl files and the .max file showing what I have done and where I am up to.
Further work needs to be done to create the lightening holes and connections etc.
Dimensions are 270mm outer diameter, 63.74mm inner diameter (to centre of wires), and 3mm thick formers.
Two wires have been allowed for as per the math - do you want the extra wire space?
Let me know if you want any other changes.
PJ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 18th, 2016, 11:08 AM
PJ, i haven't uploaded the new files due to them not working... we are still working on it. however i will upload them so you can try to lay a wire path...

but you can see it wont work.

Jim is currently working on the new 90mm inside former and ring.


current files that are in good working order but should not be used due to wire path constraints attached...

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 18th, 2016, 11:12 AM
PJ good idea using the wire path as the slot maker... so to do a 36x36 with the smaller hole the wire should go through the hole 2 times, a total of 4 coils doe " A,B" and then the gap space...

you currently only have a single turn in the hole. make sense? doing it like you are will be good to see if its possible to do a real 36x36 ( even tho we are using 11 former's... )

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 18th, 2016, 11:21 AM
Quote from Gunther Rattay on July 18th, 2016, 08:53 AM
It would have been much easier to start with Marco´s coil, get proof of concept and then make modifications.
Marko dose not " have a coil"  the 007 coil is just a modification of Danial's. however 007 uses only one turns. this is what Marko states is correct. and according to the math is is. but if we are going for the math then we need to scrap all past coils.. and use the math...

thats the direction im going...

making "Markos" coil...  we can call it a "VBM math defined coil " 

but like i say if we really did ti correct we need to scrap the 11 former version. but that leaves us with...

for a 36x36:

12 coil bundles
12 wires each = 144 wires, x 2 for each end = 288 wire ends!

what kind of madness is that.

so we use 11 former's so the twist moves over and the wire can continue.

any how thats technically wrong.... if we want to build a "VBM math defined coil " 

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 18th, 2016, 11:23 AM
also for all of those who have the old former's ( the ones Matt made, 007 stile) , here is the ring clip i said i would post, ( thank to Jim for drawing it)
again it goes on before you start winding, then just turn it as you go, will hold the wore in place ( not sure how well tho. )

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on July 18th, 2016, 05:53 PM
not much going on...i have to get the second winding finished properly yet.
whatever is causing the coil to ring, the beginning is timed with the IGBT on time. lots of things affect the 'ring', but it may be the coil itself setting the frequency initially....??  it is strange that the coil picks that pulse up so much stronger than the 1000v+ standing waves its being bathed in......at least i find that strange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSj6UGQwjT0&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 19th, 2016, 12:46 AM
Quote from ~Russ on July 18th, 2016, 11:08 AM
current files that are in good working order but should not be used due to wire path constraints attached...

~Russ
I think I will use this file to see what you are trying to achieve in your latest design - i couldnt quite understand the text description you gave :P
I'm using my phone to view this site and downloding the .zip file returned an error so I will try log in from my laptop and download it from there
Quote from ~Russ on July 18th, 2016, 11:12 AM
PJ good idea using the wire path as the slot maker...
~Russ
Thanks
That is probably the best part of the model I made :)

Once I've looked at the file you posted I'll let you know if I can model something for you

I'm still thinking of trying a 36 x 45 phi torus - I might start a new thread for this to keep this thread more clear for your work

Keep up the good work!
PJ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 19th, 2016, 08:53 AM
thanks Pj, Jim has gotten it done and i think we are good to go. 

i will upload the new now.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 19th, 2016, 10:12 AM
Some photos of the new Phi tori.

This is hole of 90mm.
 Former is 145.575mm
total OD is 381.15mm when assembled... ( 15"!)

It's a monster. But man it will look cool.

This is a 36 slot . 11 formers.

Wire should go through the hole 2 times. The wire path is not the same as 007.

This will be more like the 36x36 number map.

Any how. Don't get confused. This is still not 100% with the math. Becuse of the 11 formers.

Attached is the orgnial former and ring Matt made.

The smaller unfinished coil is same OD as the 007 coil but PHI based. (this the one that the wires are too tight.

And the big one is PHI based but 90mm ID.
thanks to Jim for drawing it up. And we used PJs angles slot idea but just used an average angle.

We had to make the ring smaller to fit in the bed!  Haha

HUGE :)

I'm loving it.

Will post STL files shortly.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 19th, 2016, 11:44 AM
Quote from ~Russ on July 19th, 2016, 08:53 AM
thanks Pj, Jim has gotten it done and i think we are good to go. 

i will upload the new now.
Hi Russ
New file doesn't appear to have uploaded
PJ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 19th, 2016, 12:36 PM
Quote from PJ on July 19th, 2016, 11:44 AM
Hi Russ
New file doesn't appear to have uploaded
PJ
yeah i did not get to it yet :) hehe
will do it now...
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 19th, 2016, 12:58 PM
ok still confirming the wire fit but should be good! 

printing in a HURRY! testing my new hotend... built from scratch :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP9Tq0UHwMg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0YovT2gBDQ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 21st, 2016, 12:25 AM
Hi Russ
Sorry to post here but not sure where to post to get some advice.
I am modelling the 36x45 Phi torus - it's going pretty well.
Size wise it is 270mm outer diameter to centre of wires.
Questions:
1/ how thick would you make the formers?
2/ how thick the ring?
3/ how much tolerance do you allow for joining the formers to the ring? Ie. if former is 4mm would you allow + .5mm - 4.5mm slot?
Thanks in advance
PJ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jrodney55 on July 21st, 2016, 07:11 PM
Hi PJ,

Thickness we’ve been doing 3.25mm for formers & 5mm for ring.

For tolerance .5mm is way too much - you only want maybe .05mm - or depending on accuracy of your printer you might need a bit more.

We’ve also been doing fillets on all edges so the prints come out more accurate off the bed & require less cleanup.

Thanks btw for your work in Max & idea for using wires to determine hole angles - I used one of your parts as a guide - was very helpful!
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 22nd, 2016, 02:34 AM
Hey thanks Russ :)
I finished the model last night and started printing today.  Ring and 2 formers done.
I'm posting lots of images so have a look at my thread if you want to see how I'm going.  Having lots of fun designing, printing and making - hopefully I get some positive test results :)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 22nd, 2016, 03:49 PM
Russ
I have another question - I need to buy some more magnet wire.
I was thinking of using 24 stands of 24 awg (200 degrees °C rated) which gives a bundle of about 4mm thick.   Does that sound good to you?
The last lot I got from TEMCo in USA and I think it took a week or two to get to me in Australia - could you recommend a good supplier in Australia or who could deliver fairly quickly to Oz?
Last time I got a 1.5 pound spool of wire and this time I think I might need a larger one to make the coil.
Thanks in advance for your advice
PJ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 26th, 2016, 01:00 PM
attached is the final version of the Phi former and ring with all 36 slots, the inner most slots are quite thin, although my printer was able to handle it, yours might not.

this is for a tight twist coil. ( closer to a 36,36) I'm still working out the winding details. when i get it ill post it. for now here are the files.

HUGE thanks to Jim for working so hard to make theses. we went through through Manny reversions. Jim feel free to post the 3D visual photos. ill attach the files.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 26th, 2016, 01:09 PM
Here it is finished. Now to get the wire path finalized. thats the original former and ring that Matt made next to the new one... only slightly larger! :O

381.15mm outside to outside... quite large. the other one was 270mm

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Lynx on July 26th, 2016, 01:38 PM
Awesome :thumbsup2:

So these can be ordered as kits soon then?











:hide:
:-D
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jrodney55 on July 26th, 2016, 02:54 PM
Hi Russ - here's the STEP file of Former & Ring 17.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 26th, 2016, 04:33 PM
Quote from PJ on July 22nd, 2016, 02:34 AM
Hey thanks Russ :)
I finished the model last night and started printing today.  Ring and 2 formers done.
I'm posting lots of images so have a look at my thread if you want to see how I'm going.  Having lots of fun designing, printing and making - hopefully I get some positive test results :)
that was Jim who responded :)
Quote from PJ on July 22nd, 2016, 03:49 PM
Russ
I have another question - I need to buy some more magnet wire.
I was thinking of using 24 stands of 24 awg (200 degrees °C rated) which gives a bundle of about 4mm thick.   Does that sound good to you?
The last lot I got from TEMCo in USA and I think it took a week or two to get to me in Australia - could you recommend a good supplier in Australia or who could deliver fairly quickly to Oz?
Last time I got a 1.5 pound spool of wire and this time I think I might need a larger one to make the coil.
Thanks in advance for your advice
PJ
sounds good, i did 24 strands of 23 AWG  and it was good. so sounds fine.

not sure of a suppler in AU... i guess google is your best fend... sorry i'm no help there.

~Russ

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 27th, 2016, 12:37 AM
Oh thanks Jim and Russ :))
All formers printed now
Will get a glue gun tomorrow and glue the model
I managed to source some wire today - I'm getting AWG 24 - they may have had awg 23 but I didn't want to tic tac back and forward. 
Delivered in the next day or too and much cheaper than getting from overseas!!
Woop woop!
Will start wiring soon.
Will keep you posted
PJ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 27th, 2016, 12:54 AM
Nice work PJ

So I tried out the C rings for the 007 coil.

That was a joke. However it did make for a really good hold down.

As far as keeping everything in place while winding and trying to turn the C ring to match was a joke. The C rings are just to flexible. Could make them thicker yeah. But for now I just used them after the coil was done.

Little hot glue on one tab and then pull it over and a dab on the other side holds them in place. Could pop them off if nesicery.

 man thses things can be frustrating. Lol.

Some photos of the best coil yet. A true 007 replaca. This is with Matt's files. Not the new one.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on July 27th, 2016, 02:08 AM
Quote from ~Russ on July 27th, 2016, 12:54 AM
Some photos of the best coil yet. A true 007 replaca. This is with Matt's files. Not the new one.
Just out of curiosity, how close are the finished dimensions to what was scribbled down from 007's coil?
Quote from ~Russ on July 27th, 2016, 12:54 AM
So I tried out the C rings for the 007 coil.

That was a joke. However it did make for a really good hold down.

As far as keeping everything in place while winding and trying to turn the C ring to match was a joke. The C rings are just to flexible.
I'll stick with Velcro tape(https://www.amazon.com/NavePoint-Reusable-Cable-Wraps-Straps/dp/B00M8H2ERU/ref=pd_sim_23_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=51d-UnyE0SL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=3HSK8K8XFTK1Z2TRYGDH) then.   :)

Oh BTW, that Fusion 360(http://www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/try-buy) software is really nice.  Looks like we could even share models in the cloud.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: PJ on July 27th, 2016, 05:56 AM
Quote from ~Russ on July 27th, 2016, 12:54 AM
man thses things can be frustrating.
These really are unbelievably tough but a great challenge with a bit more grit and determination hopefully they become something unbelievable!  Keep going Russ!

I've finished the framework on my 36 x 45 Phi torus - will post a picture tomorow
I've been spending hours and hours just removing the 3D print 'raft' from each former! Arrrrggghhh! I have to use rafts with my Makerbot Replicator Gen 5 as it is so tough to get level.
Anyway its done now and I'm pretty chuffed with the result - should look great when wound :)
Happy days
PJ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on July 27th, 2016, 08:41 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on July 27th, 2016, 02:08 AM
Just out of curiosity, how close are the finished dimensions to what was scribbled down from 007's coil?
exactly, we made it directly from what he gave, also it seems to be the same dimensions Daniels coil...
Quote from Matt Watts on July 27th, 2016, 02:08 AM
I'll stick with Velcro tape(https://www.amazon.com/NavePoint-Reusable-Cable-Wraps-Straps/dp/B00M8H2ERU/ref=pd_sim_23_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=51d-UnyE0SL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=3HSK8K8XFTK1Z2TRYGDH) then.   :)
yeah or those zip ties i used worked well. however i think once you figure out how to wind it it will be fine and the C clips look CLEEN! once in place.

use the natural twist of the wire to help you keep the wire in pace. that can be tricky but once you understand what i mean its not to bad...
Quote from Matt Watts on July 27th, 2016, 02:08 AM
Oh BTW, that Fusion 360(http://www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/try-buy) software is really nice.  Looks like we could even share models in the cloud.
oh yeah Jim said one thing about that and for me that was the down side.. i'm not fond of the cloud. but yes for the rest of use :) good!

glad it looks pleasing, once you get it figured out you can help the rest of us :)

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Magneton on August 2nd, 2016, 08:47 PM
Hello guys,

I made a coil and hooked it up. I thought I had duplicated an over-unity situation but I
found a mistake due to my scope probes. By hooking up two probes at once I had
created a short circuit through the grounds of the scope probes. I am putting this up in case
anybody else may have made a similar mistake. With only one probe connected I always measure
less power out than in. I do get a heafty voltage multiplication when it is tuned to resonance
but the current out to my LED bulb is always less than the current in from the power amp.
cheers
Richard

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/65299562/Screenshot%202016-08-02%2022.39.11.png)
Rough schematic showing my dual scope probe error completely shorting out one side of the coil.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/65299562/IMG_20160722_214339469.jpg)
Here is an image of the coil I made. I used 21 AWG copper wire twelve strands and a 14 AWG single strand core for shorting.
The 12 strands connected in series gave me almost exactly 4 ohms. At resonance a 4 VRMS input gave me about
45 to 60 VRMS output voltage. Output voltage seems unlimited, but the current draw goes up quickly and I only have a 60 watt
PA amp. I was able to get several hundred volts out with a 0.2uF capacitor.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on August 3rd, 2016, 12:11 AM
Quote from 1horn444 on August 2nd, 2016, 08:47 PM
I thought I had duplicated an over-unity situation but I found a mistake due to my scope probes. By hooking up two probes at once I had created a short circuit through the grounds of the scope probes. I am putting this up in case anybody else may have made a similar mistake.
I'm glad you mentioned this.  Russ is using a high quality isolated (differential inputs) power measurement scope.  If you attempt to hook-up most scopes the same way he does, it won't work.

Current probes are isolated since they are completely inductive, but be careful with the voltage probes with a scope having a common ground.  They make differential voltage probes, but in most cases they are as expensive as the entire scope.  If you can get your hands on one differential probe that will be good enough for the output.  Use the common ground probe on the input.

A poor-man's solution for current probes are these fellows(http://www.mouser.com/search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=0virtualkey0virtualkeyCT07-1000).  It won't go all the way down to DC, but makes life much easier than using resistor shunts.

If you only have a two channel scope like me, you either need to switch back-n-forth between input & output or save your dollars and find another cheap two channel scope.

HTH,

M@
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Magneton on August 3rd, 2016, 10:04 AM
The way I discovered my error was the current measurements of the amp. On the signal lead of the scope I was at about 200 ma but on the ground lead it was about an amp. I swapped the leads coming from the amplifier but the readings stayed the same so I knew it was not something in the amplifier.

Then I found I had an un-intended connection through the scope ground to output capacitor.

I would like to try to duplicate the experiments Russ and others have done.
Can someone tell me exactly how the coils should be connected. I have tried a lot of things
but feel as if I am still not on track.

thanks
Richard
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on August 4th, 2016, 10:44 AM
Quote from 1horn444 on August 3rd, 2016, 10:04 AM
The way I discovered my error was the current measurements of the amp. On the signal lead of the scope I was at about 200 ma but on the ground lead it was about an amp. I swapped the leads coming from the amplifier but the readings stayed the same so I knew it was not something in the amplifier.

Then I found I had an un-intended connection through the scope ground to output capacitor.

I would like to try to duplicate the experiments Russ and others have done.
Can someone tell me exactly how the coils should be connected. I have tried a lot of things
but feel as if I am still not on track.

thanks
Richard
hey Richard,

check the attachment on this post:

http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2680.msg37547#msg37547

that's is how i was able to get the high voltage in the LC circuit.

let me know if thats what your looking for!

my response time is delayed lately! Sorry!

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on August 5th, 2016, 01:00 PM
also yeah good call Matt, my scope has all 4 isolated channels. so those who fallow my foot steps will need to be careful with there measurements.

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Magneton on August 5th, 2016, 06:40 PM
thanks Russ,

I got my coil working and measuring at your points I am definitely getting over unity with my setup.
So, I am wondering about how to get usable power out of the circuit. I wound up a little transformer and
I am trying to insert it in series or parallel with the capacitor but so far not much success.
If I get any progress, I will post info about it.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Lynx on August 5th, 2016, 11:05 PM
Quote from 1horn444 on August 5th, 2016, 06:40 PM
thanks Russ,

I got my coil working and measuring at your points I am definitely getting over unity with my setup.
So, I am wondering about how to get usable power out of the circuit. I wound up a little transformer and
I am trying to insert it in series or parallel with the capacitor but so far not much success.
If I get any progress, I will post info about it.
Regardless of frequencies, one way to harness basically any voltage is to rectify it using simple diodes and then store the (electric) energy in a capacitor bank, which you continuously can feed power loads of sort with.
Should you need AC power from the cap bank then it's a "simple" matter of adding an inverter and hey presto = you got something to replace the wall outlet with ;-)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Vortex Joe on August 8th, 2016, 08:56 AM
Lynx you may be on to something, I have been playing with a full wave rectifier on the output. The high DC voltage is definitely there and is capable of charging capacitors. I dont have a capacitor bank or know what the circuit would look like to charge battery from a capacitor bank.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Lynx on August 8th, 2016, 10:28 AM
Quote from Vortex Joe on August 8th, 2016, 08:56 AM
Lynx you may be on to something, I have been playing with a full wave rectifier on the output. The high DC voltage is definitely there and is capable of charging capacitors. I dont have a capacitor bank or know what the circuit would look like to charge battery from a capacitor bank.
If the circuit's source voltage is DC, then by rectifying the output, such as in your case by using a full wave rectifier charging a fat capacitor, the step to, dare I say it, closing the loop :excited: , isn't too far fetched......or so it would seem anyway.

Basically, what it boils down to is this: If it works it works.

So............just close it already, see what gives.
If you're lucky you'll end up breaking a whole lot of the known laws of physics..........which is about time that happens ;-)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Ris on August 9th, 2016, 08:13 AM
No one can change the laws of physics-and This is only one truth, the laws of physics are like analog compass they say only direction but nothing more
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Vortex Joe on August 10th, 2016, 12:42 PM
Hey Lynx, have you seen  skycollection on you tube? He uses a bifilar pancake coil to loop back and charge the supercaps that are driving the circuit. That's the ticket, the only problem is the output of the Rodin coil has such high voltage and the super caps are very low... 2.4 or so I believe. High frequency transformer? I have ordered a bank of em in series so I'll have 12v to play with. Also ordered a square wave generator that works @ 12v Hmmmmm there must be a way!

Nobody wants to break any rules.... Just bend them a little
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Lynx on August 10th, 2016, 01:39 PM
Quote from Vortex Joe on August 10th, 2016, 12:42 PM
Hey Lynx, have you seen  skycollection on you tube? He uses a bifilar pancake coil to loop back and charge the supercaps that are driving the circuit. That's the ticket, the only problem is the output of the Rodin coil has such high voltage and the super caps are very low... 2.4 or so I believe. High frequency transformer? I have ordered a bank of em in series so I'll have 12v to play with. Also ordered a square wave generator that works @ 12v Hmmmmm there must be a way!

Nobody wants to break any rules.... Just bend them a little
I like where this is going :thumbsup2:

I checked out Skycollection on Youtube and if it's the right one he has a few clips of Russ and also of various coils, etc (Eric Schildt, is that correct?).

Charging supercaps does take quite the current initially, so when they're totally discharged they will act more or less like short circuits, so don't be too surprised if you find the DC voltage to be zero for quite some time measured right after the diode bridge feeding the caps.
Also, keep in mind that the resulting capacitance from capacitors connected in series will decrease, all according to the standard way of calculating capacitance, such as found here http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-13/series-and-parallel-capacitors/

On the other hand you will increase the voltage the cap bank will be able to withstand when you connect caps in series, so there's, sort of speaking, a win win situation that way as you both decrease the resulting capacitance, leading to lower overall charging current for the cap bank, while you at the same time increase the voltage it could be subjected to.

Should you feel the need to limit the cap charging current then a simple power resistor would do just fine, then you could perhaps even find a way to use the excessive heat developed in the resistor due to the relative high cap charging current, instead of having it going to waste ;-)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on August 11th, 2016, 06:59 AM
hello to all wire twisters
in regards to 'looping back to source'......i have noticed this coil has no problems when you rectify L2 and run it back directly to the source battery. this was observed while driving L1 with a simple square wave / IGBT circuit.

i took a look back through my live recordings and cant find a circuit drawing, but i did go through the tests roughly here  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHsnMFhEVk  (check timestamps, there is a lot of filler in there). ive since wired up the coil a lot cleaner and will have to find the time to make a better vid showing the output going to a second battery, or returning to the source. most coil/oscillator setups ive played with dont react very well when you try that   ;)     

anyways, here is a rough sketch.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Lynx on August 11th, 2016, 08:03 AM
Quote from jeremy gwilt on August 11th, 2016, 06:59 AM
anyways, here is a rough sketch.
I would have added atleast a, say, 1000 µF / 350 V cap, or something like that, directly after the rectifier bridge, just to accumulate some Ampere seconds worth of charge for the sake of compensating for voltage drops when the voltage over the second coil is at zero, that way the loop back voltage wouldn't drop all that much during zero crossings etc.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on August 13th, 2016, 01:06 AM
Well after a little break.

This happens.
https://youtu.be/vAlUSHJaHAk

That leads to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ4maMtiTuk

And finally This.
https://youtu.be/Df5CWQ44zgA

The last one is the short version of the live stream. But the live stream has more...

Yeah.

Microwave inverter driver. That's a nice one. Next to measure in and out. And try to tune the driver and coil.... 

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Vortex Joe on August 14th, 2016, 12:27 PM
Russ that looks corona looks amazing, Ive seen Daniel Nunez wind the coil with anti corona wire and it still formed around the coil. Very interesting stuff. Why is it doing that????
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Viking on August 15th, 2016, 01:29 AM
Yeah it's amazingly evenly distributed. Definitely the coil behaves as a current transformer. If the current can't flow in the secondary, the voltage will go up until it does flow and then you get the corona. Now we should start figuring out the phases of the winding sections, measure the propagation speed and adjust the length of the sections so that there is 120 degrees between the waves so you get a rotating magnetic field. Or we could drive it with a 3-phase driver and 3 equal length windings.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Magneton on August 19th, 2016, 09:56 PM
(https://www.youtube.com/upload_thumbnail?v=ES3Y9lsG-8Q&t=hqdefault&ts=1471664102230)
Rodin coil comparisons, part 1(https://www.youtube.com/embed/ES3Y9lsG-8Q)

Hey guys, I made a video of a comparison run I did on three variations of coils.
enjoy

PS I don't know how to embed a video here so you will have to click the link.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Magneton on August 20th, 2016, 05:53 PM
(https://www.youtube.com/upload_thumbnail?v=to00_BIp0xw&t=hqdefault&ts=1471739553192)
Rodin coil comparisons - part 2(https://youtu.be/to00_BIp0xw)

In this video I cover my setup and introduce a 4th coil that I tested.
IMO with the current understanding that I have,
it seems to me that the Rodin configurations are not doing anything special.
The 4th coil tested seems to do everything the other three did.
enjoy
Richard
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on August 25th, 2016, 10:44 AM
good testing Richard!

its good to compare that coil with a " standard" coil.

however, we should be open to many types of theses tests.

like antennas, transmitters, Chokes, Amps, power transfer, ect.  so get an all around judgment if there all the same, or if there is some difference's.

wound be nice to go through each and see whats what.

Thanks for posting!!!

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: dennisforrest on August 29th, 2016, 10:42 AM
Hello to all,
I carefully read all 18 pages of this thread. I need to congratulate to all for the great work you done, thanks to shared knowledge of all.

About the overunity effect Russ describe in the "Rodin Coil MOT Inverter Ozone Generator.." video, there's some advance? I feel I lost some other videos where this important behaviour was better explained...

Excuse me if I missed this info :)

Thank you!
Denis
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on August 29th, 2016, 11:48 AM
the only places to look is the Live stream.

along reading the forums there is a lot of hrs of live stream footage that will get you up to speed.

some you can scan through to catch the highlights. others you'll need to just watch to really see what i am and what i have done.

i have not done a good job documenting everything here in text, but minimally those recordings...

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: dennisforrest on August 30th, 2016, 02:01 AM
Thank you Russ, I'll look inside all the live streams :)

If you want, after I undestand the full process, I can help you documenting the "key" steps, such coils connection, schematics, etc...

Denis
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on August 30th, 2016, 09:30 AM
YES, Denis,

you know what would be best is to take some notes if you watch those videos. this will be a HUGE help, this way i can pick out those parts and complie a small shorter video and with some notes to go with it. its kinda what i need to do but just done have the time!

let me know, we can work alot closer on that task. its would be a HUGE HUGE help!!!!

if you gonna watch them might as well note those key points???

let me know !

THANKS!!!!

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: smhs on August 30th, 2016, 12:20 PM
Hi Russ,

Congrats, These are a lot of works,

for now I can't build the coil, ( but in near future I will )

I would like to test some ideas if you can rebuild and test them:

1- you made coils L1, L2 as Marko rodin explanation plus Nunez twisting method,

    please add new Coil L3 , equal to L1 , L2, the same #strands and #AWG,
    and in L3 short 1st strand-start to 12th strand-end ( this should simulate 3-6-9 numbers of Rodin VBM,)

    (L1 and L2 should be the same and all 12 strands of each coil is serialized and not shorted as 007 )

    and make the same experiments in this thread( drive by amplified  audio-freq signals ) to find resonance freq,

2- use pure resistive load parallel to capacitor for output power consume and measurements ( large alum-heat-sinked resistors or heaters-elements )

3- after finding 1st resonance freq, please go to higher freqs and find other resonance freqs,

regards
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on August 30th, 2016, 04:48 PM
Quote from smhs on August 30th, 2016, 12:20 PM
Hi Russ,

Congrats, These are a lot of works,

for now I can't build the coil, ( but in near future I will )

I would like to test some ideas if you can rebuild and test them:

1- you made coils L1, L2 as Marko rodin explanation plus Nunez twisting method,

    please add new Coil L3 , equal to L1 , L2, the same #strands and #AWG,
    and in L3 short 1st strand-start to 12th strand-end ( this should simulate 3-6-9 numbers of Rodin VBM,)

    (L1 and L2 should be the same and all 12 strands of each coil is serialized and not shorted as 007 )

    and make the same experiments in this thread( drive by amplified  audio-freq signals ) to find resonance freq,

2- use pure resistive load parallel to capacitor for output power consume and measurements ( large alum-heat-sinked resistors or heaters-elements )

3- after finding 1st resonance freq, please go to higher freqs and find other resonance freqs,

regards
thanks Smhs,

yes i am in the process of making a "369" coil. this will have the L3.

i will keep it updated here when i get there. Thanks for the feed back and thoughts!!!

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on August 30th, 2016, 08:57 PM
Just a thought.   Anyone try factor-9 frequency mixing to create a magnified beat frequency?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on August 31st, 2016, 09:09 AM
i have not Matt, but when i get that 3 coil done we can play with some 3 phase stuff... :)

~Russ 
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on August 31st, 2016, 09:25 AM
Quote from ~Russ on August 31st, 2016, 09:09 AM
i have not Matt, but when i get that 3 coil done we can play with some 3 phase stuff... :)
Not three phase Russ.  These are Factor-9 harmonics.  If you download Audacity, I can show you how to generate them.  I have a hunch if these signals are mixed, amplified and injected into the Rodin coil, some interesting effects (possibly OU) may be obtained.  They are based on VBM and I would think be a perfect match for a Rodin coil.

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on August 31st, 2016, 09:50 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on August 31st, 2016, 09:25 AM
Not three phase Russ.  These are Factor-9 harmonics.  If you download Audacity, I can show you how to generate them.  I have a hunch if these signals are mixed, amplified and injected into the Rodin coil, some interesting effects (possibly OU) may be obtained.  They are based on VBM and I would think be a perfect match for a Rodin coil.
yes i know what you were saying, i'm just stating the 3 phase stuff as i know you would like it :)

i used Audacity with Hutchinson stuff

yeah we can try that. ill get with you on it, or post screen shots here for all to see??? that would be better !

and yes, i think that this is a really good idea!

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: dennisforrest on August 31st, 2016, 01:11 PM
Quote from ~Russ on August 30th, 2016, 09:30 AM
YES, Denis,

you know what would be best is to take some notes if you watch those videos. this will be a HUGE help, this way i can pick out those parts and complie a small shorter video and with some notes to go with it. its kinda what i need to do but just done have the time!

let me know, we can work alot closer on that task. its would be a HUGE HUGE help!!!!

if you gonna watch them might as well note those key points???

let me know !

THANKS!!!!

~Russ
Hello Russ,
I'm happy you're interested in my help :) Actually as a newbe probably it's the best thing I can do... ;)
Let me 10 days to come back (I'm travelling now), and I'll start looking all videos, maybe I'll ask you something else :)

About a place where save notes, what you think to use a WIKI? There's many php software that do it, and I think can be useful (I'm a sw programmer and use it daily...).

What we can do is:

- take notes of the key parts (notes the time of the starting-ending point of the video)
- create a doc (wiki better) with instruction step by step with linked the key parts video

Let me know what you think! ;)

bye!
Denis
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Vortex Joe on September 1st, 2016, 02:49 PM
Has anyone been able to use a transformer on the output of the coil to step down the voltage and get a proper V/A ratio? I haven't yet. Im thinking of pulsing the coil with a DC source (precharged 12v supercap pack) and rectifing the output and running it through this unit... http://www.ebay.ca/ulk/itm/351822805787

I realize there is losses but would be interesting to see what kind of output that unit can provide in this circuit. Maybe I can loop it back to the super cap pack and extend the run time? Or dare I say it ;) thoughts?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on September 1st, 2016, 06:24 PM
Quote from Vortex Joe on September 1st, 2016, 02:49 PM
Has anyone been able to use a transformer on the output of the coil to step down the voltage and get a proper V/A ratio? I haven't yet. Im thinking of pulsing the coil with a DC source (precharged 12v supercap pack) and rectifing the output and running it through this unit... http://www.ebay.ca/ulk/itm/351822805787

I realize there is losses but would be interesting to see what kind of output that unit can provide in this circuit. Maybe I can loop it back to the super cap pack and extend the run time? Or dare I say it ;) thoughts?
ive measured the output from L2 going either back to source battery or to a second,battery and found surprisingly high returns (50-80%). this is with a simple FWBR, so the voltage is essentially clamped. having a good MPPT solar controller rated for HV would be really nice to play with on the output. (maximum point power tracking)....or a similar step down circuit......but the industry models are getting pretty nice.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on September 1st, 2016, 06:34 PM
theres a simple model here with a diagram
http://www.ti.com/tool/TIDA-00120
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Vortex Joe on September 2nd, 2016, 08:09 AM
Hi, Jeremy thanks for the info. Curious, you say "output on L2"... Are you not hooking it up start of L1 - finish of L2 on the input side and the output would be finish of L1- start of L2?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on September 2nd, 2016, 09:17 AM
Quote from Vortex Joe on September 2nd, 2016, 08:09 AM
Hi, Jeremy thanks for the info. Curious, you say "output on L2"... Are you not hooking it up start of L1 - finish of L2 on the input side and the output would be finish of L1- start of L2?
no, i havent tried different configurations like that yet. i am still just driving L1 with a square wave, leaving L2 open for glowy plasma fun or rectifying it for output. im still looking for an MPPT controller that will handle up to 1000v at least.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on September 2nd, 2016, 09:28 AM
Quote from jeremy gwilt on September 2nd, 2016, 09:17 AM
no, i havent tried different configurations like that yet. i am still just driving L1 with a square wave, leaving L2 open for glowy plasma fun or rectifying it for output. im still looking for an MPPT controller that will handle up to 1000v at least.
you find one DO let us know :)
Quote from dennisforrest on August 31st, 2016, 01:11 PM
Hello Russ,
I'm happy you're interested in my help :) Actually as a newbe probably it's the best thing I can do... ;)
Let me 10 days to come back (I'm travelling now), and I'll start looking all videos, maybe I'll ask you something else :)

About a place where save notes, what you think to use a WIKI? There's many php software that do it, and I think can be useful (I'm a sw programmer and use it daily...).

What we can do is:

- take notes of the key parts (notes the time of the starting-ending point of the video)
- create a doc (wiki better) with instruction step by step with linked the key parts video

Let me know what you think! ;)

bye!
Denis
yes that would be EXTREMLY HELPFULL!

i can add those noted in each video. i can make a play list of just those videos for you. if your gonna watch them... you may as well take highlights and times of those there of. then i can grab those highlights and use them in the video i would like to make but done have the time to do what your going to do!

please PM me and we can work closer on it if we need to.

THANKS!
Quote from Vortex Joe on September 1st, 2016, 02:49 PM
Has anyone been able to use a transformer on the output of the coil to step down the voltage and get a proper V/A ratio? I haven't yet. Im thinking of pulsing the coil with a DC source (precharged 12v supercap pack) and rectifing the output and running it through this unit... http://www.ebay.ca/ulk/itm/351822805787

I realize there is losses but would be interesting to see what kind of output that unit can provide in this circuit. Maybe I can loop it back to the super cap pack and extend the run time? Or dare I say it ;) thoughts?
i have started this kind of testing but have not gotten far yet... i bought a 12V output PS kinda like that for testing. and i have a few more here ill test...

i still think that there is more to the story tho, but we need to test all possibilitys!

i'm looking forward to your tests and results so we can all head in the right direction and learn from each others tests!


~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Vortex Joe on September 2nd, 2016, 11:46 AM
Jeremy or anyone I'm curious what your circuit draws to pulse the coil from a DC source and what the current/voltage is on the output side. Do you have any measurements handy? Can you adjust the voltage so you get 340VDC, if so what is the current at that voltage?

I'm waiting on parts to show up and the curiosity is killing me :)

Im asking cause that unit I posted will output decent current back to the source for charging.
1a@340v would give you 25a@12v as a ratio...I emailed the guy. So even if it was 100mA@340V input you would get 2.5A@output.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on September 2nd, 2016, 02:02 PM
im running 28 awg, but it will all rely heavily on what drive circuit you are using etc as well....i will say you will have a hard time keeping the spikes below 340v. thats where an MPPT circuit would help.....the spikes wouldnt get clipped and dampened out as much (thats the idea anyways). i would suggest going over russ's long live feed videos. thats probably the best resource at the moment.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Vortex Joe on September 6th, 2016, 08:38 PM
I've ordered that DC to DC converter to play with and as usual I found one that I want more. This guy takes up to 1200v input, may be worth checking out. When mine shows up I'll let you know how it works.
http://www.mornsun-power.com/uploads/pdf/PV40-27Bxx.pdf
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on September 6th, 2016, 09:38 PM
Joe, that's quite a module.   I can't find a source for it yet, but maybe you could request a sample or two.

http://www.mornsun-power.com/html/support/SampleRequest.html
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on September 7th, 2016, 06:27 AM
that is a pretty beefy model! i thik that is a PWM controller.....it shows 84% efficiency (which is still very good!) . MPPT controllers are closer to 97-98% and up, which is the only reason im still seeking a good HV one.
looking forward to it!
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on September 7th, 2016, 05:50 PM
i'm still not sure why we cant find some kind of simple converter to feed a lower voltage PS or MPPT. ? am i miss thinking something?

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on September 7th, 2016, 06:01 PM
Has anyone connected a bridge rectifier to the output and let that just charge some caps to see how high they go?   After a little running they should be about half the peak-to-peak voltage one sees on the scope.  If that's not the case, then the Rodin coil is doing something rather interesting.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jeremy gwilt on September 7th, 2016, 06:38 PM
for myself, ive just always wanted to see how high frequency an mppt can handle. its basically the perfect cap dump, with awesome conversion rates.
even just putting an mp3 player signal through a 6v phase lock loop circuit gave me 200v+ swings on L2. id like to see a circuit that will absorb nearly that whole spike and redirect (convert) it instead of clamping the spike with a high capacitance load. all curiosity.....
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Vortex Joe on September 7th, 2016, 07:16 PM
Yes I have connected my 1kv caps to the rectifier and get voltages higher than my meters capabilities (600v). This proves to me the voltage is very usable. Also lighting 300 LEDs in series confirmed (add voltage drops) that the DC voltage is real. So my next step is to see if I can step the voltage down to a universally used easily measurable level while increasing the current. This brought me to the Buck version DC to DC converter that can handle higher voltage (not many out there... Only boost), it is essentially the equivalent to a step down AC transformer only DC. Using an AC transformer I wasnt able to get higher current with the stepped down voltage (maybe I don't have the proper transformer type). So maybe someone out there can build a simple DC converter capable of high voltage? I can't so I bought one with high enough input voltage capability I feel comfortable it will meet my needs. I will be powering the circuit with 12v and will be able to measure the input power easily without error and also measure 12v power from the output of the DC converter. I will also precharge a 12v super cap bank as my power source and from the output of the 12v converter and attempt to loop the circuit. I am currently waiting on parts, probably 2 weeks.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on September 8th, 2016, 09:38 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on September 7th, 2016, 06:01 PM
Has anyone connected a bridge rectifier to the output and let that just charge some caps to see how high they go?   After a little running they should be about half the peak-to-peak voltage one sees on the scope.  If that's not the case, then the Rodin coil is doing something rather interesting.
i did try to run my output back to a one of those PS like we see 00& has ( altho he states its a DC-DC converter) but sure matches a PS insted...

but i haven't just tried to see if i can charge caps.

i still want to play with that microwave inverter and run the power back in to it... should be ezy, just need to find some more time... finding more time = less sleep.

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Lynx on September 8th, 2016, 09:47 AM
Quote from ~Russ on September 8th, 2016, 09:38 AM
i still want to play with that microwave inverter and run the power back in to it... should be ezy, just need to find some more time... finding more time = less sleep.

~Russ
You should take a week off with your family, go somewhere you can't access the interwebs from.
Meanwhile we will be right here wrecking the forum silly............but don't worry, be happy :D
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on September 8th, 2016, 10:14 AM
yes you are right. and i will be doing just that some time soon. ( except with my wife only, we are going to Haiti for missions trip, I'm teaching science to the kids there. )

but thats off topic so we can talk about it else where :)

~Russ 

PS. no internet there...
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Lynx on September 8th, 2016, 12:17 PM
Quote from ~Russ on September 8th, 2016, 10:14 AM
PS. no internet there...
Heaven on Earth, good to hear :thumbsup: :)
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: fractalfieldfx on September 8th, 2016, 05:00 PM
The internet is wonderful maybe you could teach them how inter connected networks can share more information of higher quality to advance man hour work by leveraging brain power. To unplug is to die... :) have fun
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: brunozr on September 23rd, 2016, 04:50 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 25th, 2016, 08:52 PM
Just FYI. Wether it's deraild or not. I'm saying please keep posting.

Like I said a few days back. All feed back is welcome and I will move the non related or " theory" out of this thred for it to keep going.
Untill then. Keep posting.

After I split the thred. Then we can call it derailed if we need to.

I'm still quite positive about this all and Way Way more testing need to be done before we have much to say.

I already proved one effect that 007 and others have seen. And we can see that is is indeed a power factor meserment error. So now to see if we can get to what 007 showed in his first setup. That is the black box converter.

007 told me directly that that was a key component. But everything is a "net work"

So we keep moving forward.

Chins up everyone.

One day at a time.

~Russ
"I already proved one effect that 007 and others have seen. And we can see that is is indeed a power factor meserment error."

Hi Russ, i ve seen some hours of the live videos, when you were testing the lamps alone and with the capacitor bank, and sometimes you said you were observing the "phenomena". Those were all mesurements errors?

im cutting a phi 36x36 to start testing.

thank you very much for this wonderfull work
congratulations
bruno
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on September 26th, 2016, 04:53 PM
Quote from brunozr on September 23rd, 2016, 04:50 PM
"I already proved one effect that 007 and others have seen. And we can see that is is indeed a power factor meserment error."

Hi Russ, i ve seen some hours of the live videos, when you were testing the lamps alone and with the capacitor bank, and sometimes you said you were observing the "phenomena". Those were all mesurements errors?
some measurements i can through out. but others were real resentments. not errors.

we are working with AC so we can not use the calculation E x I , this is called "apparent power"
we must use E x I x Power factor this is called "True power"

so the analog and digital meters will be reading the OU effect. and those meters are reading correctly, however we also need to use a watt meter. it will calculate the  E x I x Power factor.

my O scope will read this correctly and i can then calculate the "True Power" 

note every channel on my O-scope is isolated. so make sure if you use a scope that you measure one point at a time.

hope this makes sense!

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: brunozr on October 9th, 2016, 10:53 AM
it took sometime but its here
phi 36x36
just to share
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on October 9th, 2016, 12:10 PM
Looks real nice.   Is that laser cut MDF?
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: brunozr on October 9th, 2016, 04:33 PM
yes, 3 mm laser cut MDF.
I still have to try the wires, if it works fine i m going to post the files.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on October 10th, 2016, 02:46 PM
nice work!! looks really cool! ~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: brunozr on October 15th, 2016, 07:22 PM
hi friends

first coil has been successfully wound.
24 wires (22 awg)

i advise 23 awg if someone decides do use the same design because 22 awg is almost too tight
to cross inside the vortex

files attached

light to everyone
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: brunozr on October 15th, 2016, 07:26 PM
picture...
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on October 17th, 2016, 10:16 AM
looks good! whats on the list for testing? ~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: jbignes5 on November 4th, 2016, 01:21 PM
 Russ you can get rid of the problem of ozone creation by submersing the coil in mineral oil. That would allow you to go beyond the ozone creation barrier. But I hate to be a stickler about this, using AC as the input is very dangerous. It is destructive to all life and materials. Using the impulse method can make this very very stable and safe since the impulses only go in one direction they energize the secondary and not oscillate it. You should get a DC output or DC like.
 There is a very good reason they shield microwaves, try to remember that.

 If you parallel the output coil you should get way more output in amps. That would mean you series the primary. Think of it like a transformer. Gauge also helps in that but try to balance the weight of the primary to secondary exactly or breakdowns will occur between the primary to the secondary. With an oil bath a lot of the problems will disappear since oxygen and other elements in the air can not interact with the coil and ruin the insulation. Try to remove all air around the coil. Either boil it or use a vacuum to remove the air from the immersed coil.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: brunozr on November 13th, 2016, 05:22 AM
Quote from jbignes5 on November 4th, 2016, 01:21 PM
Russ you can get rid of the problem of ozone creation by submersing the coil in mineral oil. That would allow you to go beyond the ozone creation barrier. But I hate to be a stickler about this, using AC as the input is very dangerous. It is destructive to all life and materials. Using the impulse method can make this very very stable and safe since the impulses only go in one direction they energize the secondary and not oscillate it. You should get a DC output or DC like.
 There is a very good reason they shield microwaves, try to remember that.

 If you parallel the output coil you should get way more output in amps. That would mean you series the primary. Think of it like a transformer. Gauge also helps in that but try to balance the weight of the primary to secondary exactly or breakdowns will occur between the primary to the secondary. With an oil bath a lot of the problems will disappear since oxygen and other elements in the air can not interact with the coil and ruin the insulation. Try to remove all air around the coil. Either boil it or use a vacuum to remove the air from the immersed coil.
hi Jbignes5, do you have the schematic for this DC pulsing input? i d like to try this, but i dont know ho to do. my coil is ready. i will probably make some tests this week.
thank you
bruno
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: brunozr on November 21st, 2016, 05:40 PM
hi friends
i had good results in my first attempt.

i dont have professional equipment. the measurements are NOT RMS... but we have to start somewhere.

i could measure the output before the caps only as shown in the picture.


in the coil:  32v x 0.61 amp
out the coil  64v x 0.71 amp

7000hz

36x36 rodin coil (36 slots)

22 awg x 24 wires (12 connected +12 open ends) each coil
wires in series

cap 500v 0,75uf

home pc scope
smartphone function generator

i ill send a video and pictures soon.

i d like to know how to do a DC pulsing circuit to try DC input and output with a bridge rectifier.
any suggetion? i dont know how to do it.... yet.

lets go !!!!
peace
bruno


Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: brunozr on November 21st, 2016, 06:00 PM
pictures...
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: brunozr on November 21st, 2016, 06:08 PM
the traces on the scope

IN : green
OUT : red

the next picture is the smartphone function generator
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: brunozr on November 21st, 2016, 06:47 PM
i could not read amperage between the caps and the lamp.
was it too low???

tha lamp was on but not full power.

next i will try to use a rectifier and straight into a battery and measure dc input into the battery.

peace
bruno
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: talisman on November 21st, 2016, 09:19 PM
Hi again,

Yes that is in the range of the starship coil DC testing I have been doing.
The measurement is OU but how to usefully extract the result.

How much power is required to maintain the condition
Will a draw also drop downward the OU are questions.

A motor-generator arrangement I think needs more than 100% OU to extract useful power
while running.

I am also trying to determine if coil and self looping OU does rise with power levels and
if so proportionally or at some other rate.

Also found some caps at a recycler for $1 each but thought they were too high 200VDC 3400MFD could give
them a try as well.

I have no idea the Hz just started using a lab DC power supply but could use some pointers on the expected
behavior I was told it was current limiting by the trained. Yet I see contradictions on the power supply levels
shown. 


Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on November 21st, 2016, 10:01 PM
nice work guys,

please be ware,

unless you do power factor calculation OR convert the output to DC and the input to DC and measure there,
don't trust the ac measurements.

I have been able to correctly measure the ac IN/OUT,  and yes there is OU in the system, but i have not been able to extract it.

still looking to do more when time allows.

until then KEEP DOING GOOD WORK!!!!

~Russ

Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on September 24th, 2017, 10:37 PM
Yep. It's been a while. And I spent the last year and a half or more trying to figure this out.

I can get 2.5kv p-p with a 100v p-p input. But how do I extract that energy with out messing up the LC circuit.

(http://open-source-energy.org/?action=dlattach;topic=2680.0;attach=13262)

Well the answer is easy. Don't let current flow. Hummm OK. Open loop it is. Strangely using diodes. Coils.  Diodes. (Cap)?  FWB. Filter cap.  DC-DC converter. Solar charger.  Battery charge.

Because its open. One could run from the battery while charging.

Now I have  new ideas. Theses notes are just place holders to the experiments. If I don't get to theses with in a week some one jump. On my but.

~Russ

Inspiration : http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2927.msg46027#msg46027

And:

http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=3073
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on September 25th, 2017, 11:47 PM
Ok late Nite in the shop proves to at least be helpfull.

Here we are and finaly we have the 220v AC/DC -DC
Powered on. I'm pulling 1amp from it at about 11.6v powering s DC fan. Not quite what I was looking for but it's a start.

More to do for sure.

What we basicaly ended up with was a an LC circuit as noted in my 800w experment 3uf cap. But we used the other coils with 9uf cap in the same configuration.

I'll need to draw it up.

I know the amp will put out about 65-70 watts max 100vp-p. I did not have the good scope so I took mesuremmets over the I insulation. Not as helpful just a signal though.

Attached are some. Photos. Took some tuning to get it to settle in at about 200ish volts going in to the power supply.
The fan would. Pull it back down. So it's verry un stable.

I recorded a video and the live stream. So I'll post those when I get time.

~Russ

Also adding dioeds to the coils like I have in my fig #1 on the last post dose. Not work. No current flow = no magnetic feild coupling. However I was able to get some open ended coil stuff to work. So whats the difference.?  Not sure yet but just a note.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on September 25th, 2017, 11:51 PM
https://youtu.be/umL-FjyEJms
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on September 28th, 2017, 10:02 AM
"Holy Crap"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8dUuaYpWd0

This IS NOT INDUCTION. THIS IS POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE oscillation.  THERE IS NO CURRENT FLOW???

how can it flow its a coil and cap????? its an open system!!!

no current = no magnesium = no induction ?????  this is only a Potential Difference Transformer...  its a Dielectric Transformer.

 Now on my setup its has a FWB on the one side but it cant pass current back to the coils. so when i get home ill try it with out so its completely open. the result should be identical.

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on September 28th, 2017, 10:27 AM
Bingo !!

The dielectric field simply jumps to a new endpoint; that potential has no speed limit either.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on September 28th, 2017, 10:48 AM
The only thing i can think of is that the current rushing to fill up the cap... thats the only place current can flow but its never " closed" there's a cap in there...

why do i say that? because you can indeed measure a magnetic field... ???

so this current oscillation can then generate a magnetic field?  or is it just potential ( voltage) only flowing???

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: Matt Watts on September 28th, 2017, 12:17 PM
This is a tough question to answer Russ.  It's my feeling electrical energy can be separated into dielectric and magnetic components.  I also suspect these components can be recombined to form normal electricity.  How that is done?  I'm not real sure.  I think we would need to visually see what electricity actually is; how it's wound together.

Nelson has stated the back EMF from a coil can be temporarily stored in a cap and then pulsed back into another coil.  The first coil creates a magnetic field, but the second coil does not.  I always assumed this is because the second coil is pulsed with high voltage--I think now there is more to it than this.  The energy collected from the back EMF is different than charging a capacitor to the same voltage by a typical power source.  The thought Evo and I had is the magnetic field is left behind in the first coil.  The capacitor seems to be able to store whatever you give it and doesn't convert or transform the electrical energy into some standard type.  Whatever that form is, it can still be pulsed into a coil with typical semiconductors.

If done correctly, Nelson indicates the first coil that creates a magnetic field can be mixed/combined with the voltage pulsed into the second coil.  What do we have?  Volts time amps in a new relationship which has much higher power than we started with.  A remixing of the dielectric field with the magnetic field.  Sounds simple, but is still elusive on the bench.  The first part is easy.  I can dump current into the first coil, create a strong magnetic field and collect the back EMF into a capacitor.  Pulsing this temporarily stored back EMF energy into the second coil at the proper time with the two coils properly aligned still has me scratching my head.  It seems so easy, but just hasn't shown me what I'm looking for.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: haxar on September 28th, 2017, 12:33 PM
Here are my notes:

Before current flows, which takes time, the reed switch is closed.

At the time of closure, you get a BEMF spike as L.M.D. waves instantly, then with _time_, you have current or charge potential dissipating from the cap as T.E.M. waves, if kept closed.

Make a circuit that oscillates and creates BEMF spikes _before_ the potential runs out.

Implement a feedback oscillator circuit.
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: namirha on September 29th, 2017, 01:03 AM
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Torus/FlowerOfLife
https://www.facebook.com/jainmathemagics/posts/709440555908347

Van Gogh's Starry Night Illusion - AMAZING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDHPh4CtdY4

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Quote
To make a very long story much shorter, I suddenly perceived that there must be an intrinsic 60 degree relationship within the water molecule itself which had to do with the 2 atoms of hydrogen and the 1 oxygen atom. This mystical realization of mine was subsequently affirmed and proven by several scientists.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=791986934259561&set=a.142611492530445.12206.100003447866617&type=3
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RENAiSSANCE Φ RESoNANCE
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=3071.msg45918#msg45918

(http://i.giphy.com/xT0GqssHRoX4MVSaac.gif)

(http://slideplayer.com/8981286/27/images/18/Proof+Without+Words+http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cut-the-knot.org%2Fdo_you_know%2FGoldenRatio.shtml.jpg)
Cut The Knot
Golden Ratio in Geometry
https://www.cut-the-knot.org/do_you_know/GoldenRatio.shtml

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/16/99/c5/1699c5283a2b46e442ac41349f24cc51.jpg)

The Unity of Geometry - Everything is Energy
https://www.facebook.com/Nassim.Haramein.official/posts/703771539814107

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2O18 > O 1 2 4 8 16 32 64
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: namirha on October 11th, 2017, 06:38 AM
Quote from ~Russ on June 3rd, 2016, 12:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFpepZeBTm8&feature=youtu.be
Numbers are REAL

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiBQjhKBlhg

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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e9/b0/4a/e9b04a84fb0cc65d44688dfe66cb1980.jpg

The so called "sogwendel" by viktor schauberger reconstruced by felix hedinger
is a vortex like construction in the shape of a shell that is able to pump and energize water

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGQ3GspbnVg

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1 x 2 x 3 x 4 x 5 x 6 x 7 > 5040

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Decoding The Gematria Of The English Alphabet
https://grahamhancock.com/leedsm1/
CALCULATE
http://www.martyleeds33.com/

7 x 8 x 9 x 10 > 5040

84 x 60 > 5040
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=3071.msg46288#msg46288

1260 x 4 > 5040

2160 x 7 > 3 x 5040

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One of the great mysteries about the Great Pyramid remained the apparently incomprehensible design of the GRAND GALLERY, a SEVEN LEVELLED, elaborate corbelled vault forming the upper half of the Ascending Passage leading to the KING's Chamber.
http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/Ghizaarchitecture.htm

“It seemed like a building let down from heaven, untouched by human hands.”
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/piramides/laspiram/laspiram03.htm

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Mystery of the Great Pyramid missing capstone
http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/announcements/56192-the-140th-knowledge-seekers-workshop-will-be-thursday-october-6th-2016?p=56230#post56230
Quote
"It took Keely eight years to perfect the Trexar and the Trexnonar (Trexar used with nine nodes, the first three of silver, the second three of gold and the third three of platinum). He states that during the time he was perfecting the Trexnonar the intermissions of vibratory transmission through the wire were so frequent and of such length, preventing continuity of mechanical motion, that he was about to give up when a seeming accident revealed the truth of his former theory of the law governing the atomic triplets in their association. He states that compound negative vibration of the neutral centers of the molecules in the Trexar and Trexnonar causes antagonism by differentiation and the attractive power of aggregation becomes radiant force with immense rotational velocity, carrying the "force" beyond the molecular inner one-third sphere of coincidence.
http://www.svpwiki.com/Trexar
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Numbers and Geometry in the Bible
http://dcsymbols.com/numbers/numbers.htm

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http://soulhiker.com/7-things-you-must-know-to-become-a-free-thinker/
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on October 20th, 2017, 12:26 PM
More fun!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9JroWjJezM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32jtl3ut1ZU

~Russ
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: namirha on October 20th, 2017, 01:38 PM
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In light we must speak of a fourth dimension;
it can extend itself in a fourfold way;
it has the quality of inwardness as a fourth dimension.


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BORROMEAN RINGS
RING TWO:
an elixir of memory & wisdom
http://yzygy.blogspot.nl/2010/06/borromean-rings-23.html

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THE MYSTERY OF THE TETRAGRAMMATON (Part 1)
https://deephighlands.wordpress.com/2012/03/31/the-mystery-of-the-tetragrammaton-part-1/

Mark Chapter 6
http://dcsymbols.com/design/mark6.htm
The Pattern
http://dcsymbols.com/mastersquare/page9.htm
Pictures
https://www.google.nl/search?q=site:dcsymbols.com+dcsymbols.com&safe=active&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirsLPsloDXAhXKExoKHeJtB_MQ_AUICigB&biw=1164&bih=809

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SACRED GEOMETRY
http://esasabove.tumblr.com/post/100786969085
Quote
The Reappearance of Christ in the Etheric

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Question: What is the relationship of chemical forces and substances to the spiritual world?

Answer: There are in the world a number of substances that can combine with or separate from each other. What we call chemical action is projected into the physical world from the world of Devachan — the realm of the harmony of the spheres. In the union of two substances according to their atomic weights, we have a shadowing of two tones of the harmony of the spheres. The chemical affinity between two substances in the physical world is like a shadowing from the world of the harmony of the spheres. The numerical ratios in chemistry are really an expression of the numerical ratios of the harmony of the spheres, which has become dumb and silent owing to the densification of matter. If one were able actually to bring material substance into etheric dilution and to perceive the atomic numbers as the inner formative principle, one would hear the harmony of the spheres.

Oppenheimer eYe
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Quotes out of Hinduism's Bhagavad Gita....
...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuRvBoLu4t0

We have the physical world, the astral world, the Lower Devachan, and the Higher Devachan. If one thrusts the body down lower even than the physical world, one comes into the sub-physical world, the lower astral world, the lower or evil Lower Devachan, and the lower or evil Higher Devachan. The evil astral world is the province of Ahriman and the evil Higher Devachan the province of the Asuras. If one drives chemical action down beneath the physical plane, into the evil Devachanic world, magnetism arises. If one thrusts light down into the sub-material — that is to say, a stage deeper than the material world-electricity arises. If what lives in the harmony of the spheres is thrust down farther still, into the province of the Asuras, an even more terrible force, which it will not be possible to keep hidden very much longer, is generated. One can only hope that when this force comes — a force we must conceive as being far, far stronger than the most violent electrical discharge — one can only hope that before some discoverer gives this force into the hands of humanity, human beings will no longer have anything immoral left in them.

Question: What is electricity?

Answer: Electricity is light in the sub-material state. Light is there compressed to the utmost degree. An inward quality, too, must be ascribed to light; light is itself at every point. Warmth can extend itself in the three dimensions of space. In light we must speak of a fourth dimension; it can extend itself in a fourfold way; it has the quality of inwardness as a fourth dimension.

Question: What happens to the earth's corpse?

Answer: As the residue of the ancient Moon evolution we have our present moon that circles the earth. Similarly, there will be a residue of the earth that will circle Jupiter. Then these residues will gradually dissolve into the universal ether. On Venus there will no longer be any residue. Venus will manifest, to begin with, as pure warmth, then it will become light, and then it will pass over into the spiritual world. The residue left behind by the earth will be like a corpse. This is a path along which man must not accompany the earth, however, because he would thereby be exposed to dreadful torments. There are, however, many beings who will accompany this corpse, since they themselves will by that means develop to a higher stage.

    Reflected as sub-physical world:

      Astral World ............. the province of Lucifer
      Lower Devachan ........... the province of Ahriman
      Higher Devachan .......... the province of the Asuras

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SOURCE
http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/ReapChrist/19111001p02.html
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The Vortex Maths - Marko Rodin Thread
https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1062969973#post1062969973
Title: Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
Post by: ~Russ on October 26th, 2017, 10:27 AM
note all below text is my view of what we may be missing with this " coil shorting" in the secondary... and the result of 1000's of amps of magnetic flux. feel free to bash and tip apart theses thoughts. however... think hard about what I'm saying and do a lot of research to see what I'm saying... if its wrong... well OK. but have a look:


I posted This Topic(http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=3119) as i was researching if there was a way to couple devices from afar.

The one I really wanted was to see what was to be done about capacitive coupling. ( rather than EM or inductive)

what i discovered what that there are ways to get away from the inverse square law. using only magnetic and or capacitive coupling.

The other reason I wanted to look at what else there was out there on the subject was due to the Rodin coil testing. it seems to be doing one or the other or BOTH.

so the next trick is how to magnify this effect? ( thanks Matt for this thought, it still needs verification but its a start)

 well if we can " pump" a magnetic field...  but rather than resonance... ( back and forth between a cap and an inductor) we use a one way fly wheel...coupled  with a magnetic resonant transmission system. + if we leave the transmitter open... we can also add capacitive coupling. ( one wire i can already do this no prob on my setup)
   
so what do we have well... we have ezcataly what 007 calmed to have. ( a shorted set of wingdings... where do you think all that current came from in the loop current meter????) I think the missing component was a diode in the sorted line??? or something that let the closed coil to keep building the magnetic field... ( in one direction only)  This is different then resonance. how?

 well the fact that resonance will only go as far as the resistance will let it. ( back and forth)  But you should be able to pump a magnetic field until some other force slows it down. i don even know what this is... resistance should be one of them. 
i also dont know how this pumping action can be.

If this is true then this is it. if its not a diode in the circuit... what else would let this happen with in the closed loop.? this allows the resonance to happen but let the flywheel to build a magnetic field bigger than what possible normally?

Tesla's "magnetic amplifier" ? its not the same thing as resonance amplification.. its "magnetic amplification" ( current right? )

all this and now what...

well a test would be needed. will get there but for now... ( i did test a diode in the short and no good... also a DC bias... no help. it kills the resonance. )

think about this... something i have been pondering for a while now. you have one system in the middle of the room, it is at resonance,

You have another coil in the room that is the same resonant frequency. its picking up this resonance ( just as magnetic resonance wireless transfer is)

it WILL resonate and produce power just as the MIT reports.

so what... well there not coupled in a way that the pickup will drag down the primary driver... add as many resonant pickups as you want in the room till you over come the losses in the system...

i have always asked. is it possible to add more pickups in a room with out effecting the transmitter?

well not if there inductively coupled... however the answer should be yes if its magnetic resonance coupled....

place 1000 tuning forks in a room. now drive 1 at its resonant frequency.. guess what... yeah thats right. the rest will start moving too... and it should not be at the inverse square law... ( some one else tell me if i'm wrong here)

Sympathetic resonance.... what rules dose this fallow?

ok well for now those are some thoughts.

I did test the system last night with no help. so what other ways can we " flux pump" the Rodin coil short with out messing things up?
also note that the coil goes in one direction...

https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=FCWXZzN9X7c

~Russ

ok, some notes / questions.

should we drive the coils at there 1/4 wave length? To isolate the system better or other reason?

can you "pump' a dielectric field? dielectric pumping and magnetic pumping?

how long dose the magnetic flywheel last? think ed's PMH????

Look up laser sabers shorted coil PMH Ect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Kg69cQteg

similar to marks TPU?