Quote from ~Russ on July 7th, 2016, 04:17 PM

hey, welcome Joe, so i don't get hissing or ozone ( not that i can smell ) but do get a nice buz from the coil. i think i smelt some ozone but not much, not like i would think, that could be due to the coil configuration. and wiring setup.

you say 300-500V is that RMS voltage? if using DMM i would say yes. ???

also feel free to share your experience more. i know you have played with theses a lot.



geg,  thanks for the files. like i was saying before if you use 12 you will be more on par with the math, however you will end up with Manny more coils ( 6 or 12 to be correct) and that is why we use the 11, it makes for a single wind around the torus.

~Russ

Thanks Russ , always learn a lot from you , will do more test

For the record, taking measurements with DMMs at the load the best I have done is doubled my input power. LEDs seem to work best for me. I have been meaning to get a couple of the 50-100w LED chips from eBay and compare with the LED driver that comes with them for efficiency. Can anyone recommend a PWM that has a good frequency range. I'd like to order one for testing from a 12 v battery.

Quote from PJ on July 8th, 2016, 03:50 AM

I don't think that coil resonance relates to harmonics / sound.  I believe it more likely relates to how the energy moves around the coil - ie at certain frequencies the energy hits a harmonious pulse which spins up a good 'tornado' shaped energy field around and through the torus

Exactly. The harmonics of a wave does not have to be a sound nor does the "vibe" or vibration.

Interestingly motors and arcs have created notes and sound waves.

I was not so clear in the figure of speech comparison. I have had motor generator configurations where the wires move around in air in the electromotive/electromagnetic field.

The common solid cores absorb through:

hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/hyst.html

"If an alternating magnetic field is applied to the material, its magnetization will trace out a loop called a hysteresis loop. The lack of retraceability of the magnetization curve is the property called hysteresis and it is related to the existence of magnetic domains in the material."

The observation is that the epoxy has no known magnetic electrical properties,
but air has some, and if there is activity on the skin of the conductor it affect the nearby material as in all dielectrics and materials eventually break down under electrical currents
(so this was the consideration of using a resin unless it is a type that has magnetic properties
as a core.

 

I could not imbed the picture as the editor will only accept links to websites meaning I
have to find another site to upload first before using; it will not accept the local file protocols
for uploading often used.

Russ I suddenly had a problem out of nowhere out of left field with uploading on my channel
(I don't know why possibly because I am using a lot of wii hotspots on my road trip now),
 I will get it fixed with You Tube and Google.

Anyway the recorded first over-unity measure used a coil (digital and analog agreed)
of course the amp measure was placed from the single 6 volt lead acid battery that was
run down to about 5.5 volts.

The coil and the output amp was measured from the coil output positive to the motor
positive.

The small starship coil is:

12 points
30 gauge thin magnet wire
about 3.5 inches across.
In contrast to the golf tees I used cheap dollar store screws
(steel or something alloy unknown)
to wrap the points drilled in to a polyethylene lid.
The coil was one single layer in a bifilar arrangement.

The light to load and tune with the motor was 12v DC 21 watt.
The motor was a new 1 inch DC rated 12v 11500 rpm 15.5 watt universal PM.

It is noteworthy that a 5 about 5 inch larger 22 gauge did not produce anything
more than a possible hair or even output (no impedance matching or tuning or
resonance at those low power levels). 

 

 
   
   

Nice to see the activity blossom up.

I have performed some tests with a ferrite core in the center and with a 100 winding coil on a ferrite core:

Normally when you run the coil, there is a power loss in it, from the resistance of the wires. The higher the currents circulating, the higher the losses. Current is highest at resonance.

If you add a ferrite core in the center, the inductance of the coil will go up and move the resonance frequency down. If the frequency is not altered the current will go down and so will the losses.

If you load the magnetic field with a pickup coil (eg. 100 windings) and a resistive load like a 12V bulb the resonance frequency will also go down as above although not as much. Also the bulb will light up. The current from the power supply does not go to the same high level as when the coil is not loaded magnetically, and some of the power that was loses before, is now used for driving the 12V bulb.

So resistance of the coil creates losses.
Now if the resistance of the coil could be reduced to zero, how would the coil behave ??

This post is just to explain the phenomenon of the current dropping when the coil is loaded.

Picture of 12V bulb being driven by the coil is attached.

Hello folks,

Enclosed are some network analyser measurements of a single strand of the coil. There is an impedance peak and a standing wave ratio peak of 2.9 at a frequency of 1.60 and 1.65 GHz respectively (slightly different). See enclosed plots. Maybe for some of you folks, those types of plots will make sense.

" Also the bulb will light up. The current from the power supply does not go to the same high level as when the coil is not loaded magnetically, and some of the power that was loses before, is now used for driving the 12V bulb."

Just so I can grasp this : The power supply loads the coil and the magnetic field.
                                     
                                        The resistive lightbulb lights but there is a lower than expected draw from the power supply.
                                     
                                        The hypothesis is it is lower than expected because some that was losses before (without
                                        a magnetized core) is used to power the light.

                                          My thought is that this could mean 2 things,

                                         1) less power draw because more total power is flowing to the system.
                                   
                                         2) less power draw than expected because the bulb is partly using the
                                             magnetized potential of the core.
 
       Just theory...     what was before losses are now bulb using (like storage) so the draw is less...
                             
                               .... would the power draw go up later on to keep the same level of magnetization
                                  and power?....
                             
                                ...the bulb should over time use up the losses in loading the coil and core unless
                                  more power is being generated in the system and the draw go up to stabilize at
                                  a higher level.

    Just trying to understand ...

       

nice work guys, i hope to get in to the lab in the next day.

i have some ideas to try with setting the coils up as bifilar, and then in a separate coil on top i will set them up as bucking.

the coil on top will be the one a draw power from... just an idea.

more when i get to test...

~Russ

Something like this.

Quote from ~Russ on July 7th, 2016, 04:58 PM

because i know you wont go watch them there ill post them here:
this was old, but still helpful to understand how the wire is laid according to the math.

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ on July 7th, 2016, 04:38 PM

by the way this is old but might be helpful to understand the "simple" complexity of how the math works with the coil.

http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/vortex-base-math-research/the-math/

http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Russell_Gries%27s_perspective%20_on_the_activation_sequence_of_the_ABHA_torus_using_electricity.pdf

~Russ

Russ this is incredible work - I had no idea you had delved into this so deeply.

Just for the heck of it I'm still seeing if I can nail the 3D coil geometry in Knotplot - screenshots below are the closest I've gotten - but wires don't line up well - I'm in the ballpark - but basically just trial & error. I did do a single coil wound in the right direction - then duplicated & rotated 30 degrees. I included a screenshot of Knotplot settings if anyone else wants to play with it.

Some more measurements on the coil.
This time there are 12 strands in series and terminated with a 220ohm resistor. I get a high impedance resonanse at 32 KHz.
I'm exiting the coil with a sine wave sweeping from below  the resonance freq and above it (-/+ 16 kHz)
Scope channels 1-4 are located at the generator, strand 4, 8 and 12 (the end) respectively.
Enclosed screenshots and an animated gif. Frequency and RMS values are on the scope shots.

Quote from Viking on July 10th, 2016, 10:44 AM

Normally when you run the coil, there is a power loss in it, from the resistance of the wires. The higher the currents circulating, the higher the losses. Current is highest at resonance.

https://youtu.be/qhHPgvSiH4A?t=135 the graphene, which acts as negative resistor (making current flow backward) should actually create the opposite effect of positive resistance.

The graphene or whatever it really was, shown by 007 was more likely a piece of silicon-carbide with a graphene layer on it (it is commonly used as a substrate for it).

It showed a negative temperature coefficient (not negative resistance) which is common with semiconductors (anyone used a 5 cent NTC resistor ?) like silicon-carbide (carborundum). NTC is not a property of graphene. Graphene is among many things a superconductor.

nice work Viking.

so i decited to day that the real math for a 36x36 coil would be 2 times through the hole. the same as i show in my old videos.

really the 9x9 would be only one. or in out cast we have made a 9x36 ( one time through the hole and 11 times ( 12 for the math) )

no we are using 11 former's so that's not really right any how... but just to talk VBM and KISS ( keep it simple stupid) im using numbers that come from the math.

so to make a real coul 36x36 we will end up with Manny Manny circuits that all need to be combined and it would get messy ( unless we drove each coil separately like i described in my videos.

so i decided to try to make a 36x36 with the coil form. ( or really it would be a 18x36) any it gets really confusing and i may even mess it up but basically its not to hard to understand...

so i did this:

this leaves us with 3 extra slots. one for the other coil. and if we wanted we could even wrap them the other direction but i'm not liking that idea.

ill get a length measurement soon. just some phone cable i had on hand to test with... the wires tend to bend sharp now that we are at a much better angle ( the smaller wires will stay in there now too, but the bigger ones will kink)

~Russ

go

tighter vortex....
more evenly spreed magnetic field...
balanced...
non asymmetric ( per winding)
closer to the math ( yes we still need the extra gap space if we really want to go with the math and also the 12 forms)

you can see what i mean here:

9x9 similarity.

what I'm trying to tell you is that although the math works for a 9x9 marko thinks its not correct. 36x36 is the smallest coil.

either way it would be interesting to test both...  i think ill wind one to test with.

ill need to come up with a standard test procedure for all variations of coils, including the wire numbering ideas we have...

please feel free to post your thoughts on what should be set up for standard testing procedures.

~Russ

this will help you all in understanding the math:
http://vortexmath.netii.net/

and this will make you understand the Phi ratio we need to think about...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxuU8jYkA1k

I, tom, Randy and a few others work together on this a while back. i did very little in theses but was there for some of it, good stuff.

 Jim, lets talk about a new coil jig...  one that is Phi. we did this here at work in mathematica, but its unpractical to try to make jigs with mathematica... so its better to start over...

~Russ

Great work Russ!
This is the direction I was going when I recently built the inner first Phi torus.
Unfortunately it didn't produce any good voltage spikes for me.
My understanding is you are looking at the second phi torus 36 x 36 modified to make winding easier.
I started to look at the 3rd phi torus 36 x 99 which has three circuits each looping through 4 times.   It could be built with two separate windings similar to 007 torus with third one empty for the gap.   
The geometry would be a bit harder to wind but it would exactly match the maths i think.
I may have a go at modelling the frame work for this third torus.
Will send you files if i do
PJ

If I were to build you a framework for the third phi torus what outer diameter would you like for the torus? 
I was thinking of doing a foot (304.8mm) purely as it is an old unit of measure and similar dimension to the large torus sizes you are building.  This dimension would be to the centre of the wire/winding.
At a ratio of phi ^5 : 1 for outer diameter to inner diameter that would make the inner diameter 27.5mm I think (anyone want to double check this?)
Also what thickness would you like the formers to be?
Thanks in advance
PJ

PJ,

here is the math:

see attached.

The problem is the smaller the hole the harder to get the wire through...

so a 36x36 seems better. to me anyway.

also the bigger we go the harder is it go 3d print parts for most people, unless you have a big printer.

so a Tori for a 270mm for the measurement A
gives us:
 B= 62.068
 F= 103.966
F= former OD


that's a good size.

however we are not sure if we can get 36 of the same size slots on the same OD former... we may need to change that or make it bigger.

I'm not really liking the other maps. Marko also stated he dose not like a 9x9, states its not a correct torus. I don't know, the math still works. so...

any way. Jim and I are making the Former and Ring for this new Phi torus. we also are designing a clip to hold the wire in place that can be spun around to open only the space needed.

~Russ

that clip is bloody brilliant
ive been working on wiring this up, my low-budget solution for easy re-configuration.

nice work Jermy,

i ended up using terminal blocks too, i'm having a hard tome with what you have there due to the HV produced :) might arc1 BUT that's a grand idea! nice work! let me know how it works out!

as long as we stay Low voltage that may be the best way in the future!

~Russ

Hi Russ
I understand what you mean about the third stage phi torus 36 x 99 being hard due to the smaller hole.  I think I'll still have a go at modeling the framework.
I have figured out how to map the correct path using 3DS Max so I will send a file if that is of use to others and screen captures etc. in case someone else also wants to try build this version.
Keep up the great work!
Your 3D printer looks amazing!
I have a makerbot replicator gen 5 which is a bit clunky.
It's 3am here so I will put some files together tonight and send through then
Cheers
PJ