Quote from rfnreynders on September 30th, 2012, 09:49 AM

Yes James/Jamie,

I think by exposing the hydrogen to the plasma, Russ wil create Helium, and several other elements. Helium is the combination of two hydrogen atoms.

But the combination isn't limited to just Helium although this is most easy and likely to form. The more the gas is plasmatized (if that is a word) the more elements will form. fact is that every floating atom in the plasma cloud is most likely to be stripped of its electrons.

I suspect that the nobel gas mixture is of such composition that it keeps a balance of these gasses by interchanging electrons/form and charge.

So at a certain point Russ will also have a mixture even when starting with hydrogen, that keeps a balance.

my 2 pennies.  :-)

Rene

Quote from jamesgsnelson on September 30th, 2012, 08:05 AM

Quote from rfnreynders on September 29th, 2012, 03:37 PM

Hmmm...

I saw video 11 and the increased power output with hydrogen.
It made me think.

Hydrogen is the smallest atom we now.
With the least amount of electrons per atom.

So in theory, in a plasma enviroment hydrogen atoms are the easiest to strip from their electrons.
This is why you got a good reaction, even without ionizing the gas.

Then what happens is that after the plasma reaction, electrons want to fall back into the orbit of the atom...
But in the time, the hydrogen atoms were stripped of their electrons, they're cores of the hydrogen didn't repel each other, because the repelling happens due to the electrons that are negatively charged. (like magnets repelling the same charge)
Without the electrons ( in a plasma state) all atoms are neutral, but stil move and so can collide with other atoms.

So some of the hydrogen atoms without the electrons where so near to each other, that after the plasma state they formed a new atom.
Helium.
So, within this new state, the helium atoms had to get electrons from the surrounding. This  made the whole device into an electron sucking machine, causing a differential voltage. That is why you had the voltage kick back.
That is why the pressure in the device increases, because the atoms form Helium, and this is a "bigger" gas.
Stil the reaction can continue, because just a few hydrogen atoms reconbined into Helium AND also the helium can be totally stripped of its electrons, giving the oppertunity to form even bigger atoms.
I am not surprised is you find a lot of elements in the gas after the plasma trials.

Go On , you truly are a pioneer !

This is an interesting theory.  So, if he uses pure Argon gas, he could produce Potassium?  That would be interesting to see if that would be a gas state or solid.

Jamie
Russ,

I'm glad you tried it with just H2.  I had been wondering about that myself, since it is so easy to get and doesn't cost $1700 a tank.

I love your videos.  I commend you on all the time and effort you put into these projects.  I know there is a ton of work you do, off camera, to bring us these experiments.

Thank you very much.
Jamie

I had the same belief about fusion until yesterday. But when I watched Video #11, I got the feeling that a shock wave was involved. Russ increased the voltage(energy) of his spark and he got a bigger pop. Also hydrogen fusion is very hard to do.

So the Casmir force might be amplifying the speed and power of the shock wave as it goes through the hydrogen.

The van der Waals force also known as the Casmir force maybe where the pop is coming from.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casmir_Effect


Where the Casmir force gets its power from, I do not know.

Some say that it is derived from the strong force which holds our universe together or from virtual particles which over time can destroy black holes.

But I will try to convince Russ to increase the strength of this shock wave by improving the structure of his spark…that is my agenda here on this thread.

Quote from FaradayEZ on September 30th, 2012, 10:12 AM

Quote from rfnreynders on September 30th, 2012, 10:01 AM

BAM ! it hit me....

So easy why this works.. the whole pap engine......

All the gas in the cylinder is charged. All atoms repell each other. In normal state.

When applying the plasma, all electrons get stripped of.
So all gas (cores)  can approach each other.
So at the plasma state the pressure drops tremendously.
After the plasma state, electrons fall back onto the atoms and all the atoms repell each other again.
This repelling is like two electromagnets very close two each  other suddenly energised and repelling each other.
This gives pressure in all directions.

To increase the power you simply have to increase the area where the plasma occurs.
Because Hydrogen is the smallest atom, there is the most effect. Always.
In the plasma arc, There always will be more hydrogen atoms stripped then any other gas, because with hydrogen, more fits in the plasma arc.

The only problem with hydrogen is, that it is so small that it will most likely leak away through the cylinder wall... slowly but surely.

This is no problem, you can use an other gas. Like any nobel gas. These are bigger and won't leak away.
But to create the same effect/power as with hydrogen, you'll have to create a bigger plasma arc. (more plasma area)

Here is where the coils come in to play, to center the gasses.
By centering them, you place more atoms within the plasma arc. Simple.
More gas in the plasma arc= more reaction !

My 3 pennies   :-)

Rene

Ok, could be, and could the arc be stretched if it was between the piston and the bottom?

We could put hydrogen also at the other side of the piston in an engine..

I can't see how the coils have much effect...one..with the Bob popper it didn't do much..same power with and without the coil..
And secondly the cylinder is made of conducting material..like a cage of faraday..so the field inside is zero..it concentrates on the outside wall...

To get a bigger arc, you need a bigger power source (higher voltage)
The higher the voltage the more plasma.
Using the distance between the piston an the bottom isn't wise, because this distance is variable.

Bye ionizing the gas it becomes more conductive and so plasma can develop at lower voltage input.

So without ionizing the gas, the solution is increasing the voltage  and making the spark gap bigger.

penny 5....

Rene

Quote from Axil on September 30th, 2012, 10:27 AM

The van der Waals force also known as the Casmir force maybe where the pop is coming from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casmir_Effect

Where the Casmir force gets its power from, I do not know.

Some say that it is derived from the strong force which holds our universe together or from virtual particles which over time can destroy black holes.

But I will try to convince Russ to increase the strength of this shock wave by improving the structure of his spark…that is my agenda here on this thread.

Aahhh van der Waals...my dutch fellow countryman.. :D

My agenda is to let Russ (and others) realize how important resonance is (also in exciting the gas), but at number one..getting this towards the main public and change the status quo.

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I can't see how the coils have much effect...one..with the Bob popper it didn't do much..same power with and without the coil..
And secondly the cylinder is made of conducting material..like a cage of faraday..so the field inside is zero..it concentrates on the outside wall...

The magnetic fields of the coils will be blocked by the material that the cylinder is made from.

Nonmagnetic stainless steal or Plexiglas might be needed as the cylinder material.

But whatever nonmagnetic material is used, it should be coated on its outside surface with a silicon carbide and/or an oxide layer to keep the hydrogen from leaking out.

Quote from FaradayEZ on September 30th, 2012, 10:39 AM

Quote from Axil on September 30th, 2012, 10:27 AM

The van der Waals force also known as the Casmir force maybe where the pop is coming from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casmir_Effect

Where the Casmir force gets its power from, I do not know.

Some say that it is derived from the strong force which holds our universe together or from virtual particles which over time can destroy black holes.

But I will try to convince Russ to increase the strength of this shock wave by improving the structure of his spark…that is my agenda here on this thread.

Aahhh van der Waals...my dutch fellow countryman.. :D

My agenda is to let Russ (and others) realize how important resonance is (also in exciting the gas), but at number one..getting this towards the main public and change the status quo.

Hahaha, seems like this is a whole dutch forum by now.

Gegroet uit Nederland :-)

greetings from Holland.

Rene

Quote from rfnreynders on September 30th, 2012, 10:38 AM

To get a bigger arc, you need a bigger power source (higher voltage)
The higher the voltage the more plasma.
Using the distance between the piston an the bottom isn't wise, because this distance is variable.

But it only grows when the plasma does expand..so...it may stretch the already started spark?


Bye ionizing the gas it becomes more conductive and so plasma can develop at lower voltage input.

So without ionizing the gas, the solution is increasing the voltage  and making the spark gap bigger.

penny 5....

Rene

Quote from Axil on September 30th, 2012, 10:44 AM

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I can't see how the coils have much effect...one..with the Bob popper it didn't do much..same power with and without the coil..
And secondly the cylinder is made of conducting material..like a cage of faraday..so the field inside is zero..it concentrates on the outside wall...

The magnetic fields of the coils will be blocked by the material that the cylinder is made from.

Nonmagnetic stainless steal or Plexiglas might be needed as the cylinder material.

But whatever nonmagnetic material is used, it should be coated on its outside surface with a silicon carbide and/or an oxide layer to keep the hydrogen from leaking out.

I mentioned the coils because Russ told about them in a video.
He said the coils where energized so the gas is centered in the cylinder.
If this is what happens, i don't know.

What i do think will happen if you wind a pickup coil around the cylinder.

The Plasma discharge wil cause an induction and the atoms reforming will cause an induction in these coils.

So placing a pickup coil around the cylinder will probably give back a lot of power. More then you have to put in to start the reaction.

Coils to center the gas..... i don't know why that would work, but hey it could? couldn't it..... trial and error.

But pickup coils, extracting power. YES i think that will work.


penny 6.

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My agenda is to let Russ (and others) realize how important resonance is (also in exciting the gas), but at number one..getting this towards the main public and change the status quo.

I hope Ross has a thick skin because he is up for a severe case of ridicule, slander, and rejection.

The people at the National Ignition Facility have spent tens of billions of dollars, the Z-pinch people have spent the same and ITER have spent even more.

They all will be subject to attack from those who find it ironic that a guy doing development out of his garage beat them all.

You cannot expect any cooperation from the main line science community, on the contrary, expect only hurtful slander.  

The free energy people are just as bad; they want to protect their own ideas, reputations, and any possible funding sources that may be out there.

Russ will be branded a scammer and a swindler. I hope I am wrong, but look at what has happened to Rossi and LeClair.

Quote from FaradayEZ on September 30th, 2012, 10:47 AM

Quote from rfnreynders on September 30th, 2012, 10:38 AM

To get a bigger arc, you need a bigger power source (higher voltage)
The higher the voltage the more plasma.
Using the distance between the piston an the bottom isn't wise, because this distance is variable.

But it only grows when the plasma does expand..so...it may stretch the already started spark?


Bye ionizing the gas it becomes more conductive and so plasma can develop at lower voltage input.

So without ionizing the gas, the solution is increasing the voltage  and making the spark gap bigger.

penny 5....

Rene

Yep thought about that to.. I think there is a kind of avalanche effect, but a certain amount of "juice" is needed to get it rolling.


Rene

Quote from rfnreynders on September 30th, 2012, 10:45 AM

Hahaha, seems like this is a whole dutch forum by now.

Gegroet uit Nederland :-)

greetings from Holland.

Rene

LOL...ik dacht al reynders is een nederlandse naam..en mijn van der Zee is ook wel duidelijk, hoewel niet op de voorgrond.

"i thought already reynders to be a dutch name, and mine, van der Zee is also clear, although not in the forefront."

p.s. ik mis een nederlands bouw forum zoals dit.. "

I miss a dutch building forum like this one..

Quote from Axil on September 30th, 2012, 10:50 AM

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My agenda is to let Russ (and others) realize how important resonance is (also in exciting the gas), but at number one..getting this towards the main public and change the status quo.

I hope Ross has a thick skin because he is up for a severe case of ridicule, slander, and rejection.

The people at the National Ignition Facility have spent tens of billions of dollars, the Z-pinch people have spent the same and ITER have spent even more.

They all will be subject to attack from those who find it ironic that a guy doing development out of his garage beat them all.

You cannot expect any cooperation from the main line science community, on the contrary, expect only hurtful slander.  

The free energy people are just as bad; they want to protect their own ideas, reputations, and any possible funding sources that may be out there.

Russ will be branded a scammer and a swindler. I hope I am wrong, but look at what has happened to Rossi and LeClair.

Hold your horses  :-)

I am a free energy guy and i share all i know. Always.

People slandering Russ or ridiculing know he is onto something, why else put the effort in.
And remember there are a lot of organisations and people who don't want Russ or anyone like him to succeed.

Together we can make it happen and by directly sharing all we know, we can't be stopped.

That said, i posted a new post on the Low Lenz generator.
VERYYYYY interesting, because it is dead simple and works !

:-)

Rene

Quote from FaradayEZ on September 30th, 2012, 10:55 AM

Quote from rfnreynders on September 30th, 2012, 10:45 AM

Hahaha, seems like this is a whole dutch forum by now.

Gegroet uit Nederland :-)

greetings from Holland.

Rene

LOL...ik dacht al reynders is een nederlandse naam..en mijn van der Zee is ook wel duidelijk, hoewel niet op de voorgrond.

"i thought already reynders to be a dutch name, and mine, van der Zee is also clear, although not in the forefront."

p.s. ik mis een nederlands bouw forum zoals dit.. "

I miss a dutch building forum like this one..

Yep !

I mis that to.
But in Soest, there is Niburu and i will be doing a lecture there again on free energy soon.

I worked on the hydrogen cell (with Frank Collaris in Maastricht)
This is a still ongoing project.

But there is so much more, that is wayyyyyy more interesting.

What i found bafling is that the simplest technologies that come out aren't seen by people >????

There is the low lenz generator simple and effective
There is the regenerative accelaration technology by Thane C Heinz.
Evererything about this is suddenly gone. One cannot find anything anymore.
But you can search for "perepeteia"  and find some replications.

Russ opened a topic on this but no one replied?
I saw it and by then all movies were already gone.

That technology works and is soooooo simple.

Anyways.. lots to share.

Rene

Quote from rfnreynders on September 30th, 2012, 10:51 AM

Quote from FaradayEZ on September 30th, 2012, 10:47 AM

Quote from rfnreynders on September 30th, 2012, 10:38 AM

To get a bigger arc, you need a bigger power source (higher voltage)
The higher the voltage the more plasma.
Using the distance between the piston an the bottom isn't wise, because this distance is variable.

But it only grows when the plasma does expand..so...it may stretch the already started spark?


Bye ionizing the gas it becomes more conductive and so plasma can develop at lower voltage input.

So without ionizing the gas, the solution is increasing the voltage  and making the spark gap bigger.

penny 5....

Rene

Yep thought about that to.. I think there is a kind of avalanche effect, but a certain amount of "juice" is needed to get it rolling.


Rene

Well sjoer,

Erik

Quote from Axil on September 30th, 2012, 10:50 AM

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My agenda is to let Russ (and others) realize how important resonance is (also in exciting the gas), but at number one..getting this towards the main public and change the status quo.

I hope Ross has a thick skin because he is up for a severe case of ridicule, slander, and rejection.

The people at the National Ignition Facility have spent tens of billions of dollars, the Z-pinch people have spent the same and ITER have spent even more.

They all will be subject to attack from those who find it ironic that a guy doing development out of his garage beat them all.

You cannot expect any cooperation from the main line science community, on the contrary, expect only hurtful slander.  

The free energy people are just as bad; they want to protect their own ideas, reputations, and any possible funding sources that may be out there.

Russ will be branded a scammer and a swindler. I hope I am wrong, but look at what has happened to Rossi and LeClair.

That's why it's so important to get this information out there to the masses as quickly as possible, so we cannot be stopped.:D

We are interested in Pulsed power. Pulse power is the science and technology of accumulating energy over a relatively long period of time and releasing it very quickly, thus increasing the instantaneous power.

Steady accumulation of energy followed by its rapid release can result in the delivery of a larger amount of instantaneous power over a shorter period of time (although the total energy is the same).

For example, if one joule of energy is stored within a capacitor and then evenly released to a load over one second, the peak power delivered to the load would only be 1 watt.

However, if all of the stored energy were released within one microsecond, the peak power would be one megawatt, a million times greater.

I am interested in using those 1000 joules of power stored in Russ’s capacitors and releasing it in 10 nanoseconds.

This will produce 100,000,000,000 watts (100,000 megawatts) of peak power.

This release of pulse power will produce a healthy shockwave in the hydrogen plasma.

 This will be a picture of Russ's garage::D

Quote from Axil on September 30th, 2012, 11:50 AM

This release of pulse power will produce a healthy shockwave in the hydrogen plasma.

Healthy?? Like you mean on steroids?

That shock wave will certainly reach Washington. :)

Quote from Jeff Nading on September 30th, 2012, 11:20 AM

Quote from Axil on September 30th, 2012, 10:50 AM

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EZ:  "My agenda is to let Russ (and others) realize how important resonance is (also in exciting the gas), but at number one..getting this towards the main public and change the status quo."

I hope Ross has a thick skin because he is up for a severe case of ridicule, slander, and rejection.
EZ...maybe he should be wise and stay out off the limelight...
The people at the National Ignition Facility have spent tens of billions of dollars, the Z-pinch people have spent the same and ITER have spent even more.

They all will be subject to attack from those who find it ironic that a guy doing development out of his garage beat them all.

You cannot expect any cooperation from the main line science community, on the contrary, expect only hurtful slander.  

The free energy people are just as bad; they want to protect their own ideas, reputations, and any possible funding sources that may be out there.
But look at how many GEET engine's are already made by the public..
Russ will be branded a scammer and a swindler. I hope I am wrong, but look at what has happened to Rossi and LeClair.

That's why it's so important to get this information out there to the masses as quickly as possible, so we cannot be stopped.:D

Exactly, the more people proof this concept the less the old dragon knows who to target.....

So can this be achieved with multiple caps or one supper duper cap? :D

Quote from Jeff Nading on September 30th, 2012, 11:20 AM

Quote from Axil on September 30th, 2012, 10:50 AM

Quote

My agenda is to let Russ (and others) realize how important resonance is (also in exciting the gas), but at number one..getting this towards the main public and change the status quo.

I hope Ross has a thick skin because he is up for a severe case of ridicule, slander, and rejection.

The people at the National Ignition Facility have spent tens of billions of dollars, the Z-pinch people have spent the same and ITER have spent even more.

They all will be subject to attack from those who find it ironic that a guy doing development out of his garage beat them all.

You cannot expect any cooperation from the main line science community, on the contrary, expect only hurtful slander.  

The free energy people are just as bad; they want to protect their own ideas, reputations, and any possible funding sources that may be out there.

Russ will be branded a scammer and a swindler. I hope I am wrong, but look at what has happened to Rossi and LeClair.

That's why it's so important to get this information out there to the masses as quickly as possible, so we cannot be stopped.:D

Wow guys? A lot of good thoughts here.

1. Get the info out there ASAP! Re upload that video everywhere, tell others we do not know the safety concerns, so "play at own risk" I don't want people to be hurting themselves by replicating something I did... But I also don't want others to lose all the information I spend so much time and effort getting to the masses. Go now and share all we know. I will be data logging all of this set up tonight.

2.

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Bye ionizing the gas it becomes more conductive and so plasma can develop at lower voltage input.

I'm not sure but I think I had to increase the voltage so it would fire every time. Seems like it did not have enough ionizing power to jump the gap... So I will be trying 700v with a lot less capacitance to see if we can prove that it is not just a "shock wave" but if it is... Sweet! The darn thing works... Lol

3. Thanks everyone for all the input! Almost can't keep up! ;)

4. Share share share! Free free free! This is why I do what I do and work so hard to show others. Give Give Give! Don't hold back. It's the only way. No EGO and No selfishness. These are why the world is the way it is.

5. Thank god as he is why I'm able to continue! God bless us all!

6. I don't care about being called a "scam" or being "rejected", I'm just showing what I have to offer. Make no claims, just show what I have an say "make up your own mined" I'm not going to "fight" some one to make a point... believe or don't believe... ( it's just like religion, it's your choice, and I believe)

7. There is nothing wrong with theory's, keep think about it. Some sound really good! If we want to understand it before we continue we it will be a dead stop right now... ;) so I'm here to show it work... Some one else can tell my how and why... ( if they can figure it out... )
most inverters don't know how there system works... this is why everyone calls them a scam or a flake... but they know what they have... and when they give there theory it makes them sound "crazy" but its all they got... just giving what they know... :)

" if you believe, even tho you can not see, you will see. ~Russ Gries"

Ps. I will be doing a live show tonight. But I'm not promoting it as I'm just testing my camera and pc and connection... If if it all works... I'll be live. Some time around midnight central time.

I'm afraid it's gonna take a new kind of cap. The old traditional caps can't handle the dielectric forces and usually short out.

 This new kind of cap has already been designed and used. It has an oil dielectric and has a very different design in the plates. Think staggered Tesla pancake coils and you will see where this is going.

 This also will have to be an active cap. Meaning it will deliver constant current if so desired. That all depends on the active portion of the cap driver.

 I'll give more details later once I finish testing the cap and driver.

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on September 30th, 2012, 12:29 PM

Ps. I will be doing a live show tonight. But I'm not promoting it as I'm just testing my camera and pc and connection... If if it all works... I'll be live. Some time around midnight central time.

You and your scrappy internet connexxion?  And what is that my time? -1 GMT..
grr have to get up at 06.00?

Hmm that's my normal time..have to bring the kid to school at 8.20, she's off at 6.50.

I'll probably catch it on the rebound. ;)

Quote from Jeff Nading on September 30th, 2012, 12:21 PM

So can this be achieved with multiple caps or one supper duper cap? :D

These are very similar to the ones that I used to play about with as a kid...  :)

DCM403U050CF2B: 40,000uF 50V Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitor (Screw Terminals)

http://www.tedss.com/DCM403U050CF2B

A big bank of those should give you plenty of jolts!!!   :)

All the best

ethospete...

 I'll give more details later once I finish testing the cap and driver.[/quote]I look forward to this, thanks.:D

Quote from ethospete on September 30th, 2012, 01:09 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on September 30th, 2012, 12:21 PM

So can this be achieved with multiple caps or one supper duper cap? :D

These are very similar to the ones that I used to play about with as a kid...  :)

DCM403U050CF2B: 40,000uF 50V Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitor (Screw Terminals)

http://www.tedss.com/DCM403U050CF2B

A big bank of those should give you plenty of jolts!!!   :)

All the best

ethospete...

Thanks, jolts :D:D:D

Yup what is important is the voltage across the cap. he can fire it every time at 250 volts.  perhaps a lower capacity will also work.  currently 35 thousand micro farads? correct me if i am wrong. i thought thats what Russ said in the movie.

what i also think will work, 3 shots of increasing voltage. but hey if you wanna play u have to pay. Russ has all the fun..:(


cheers.

Suggest Cornell Dubilier 12000uF 450 VDC $60 eBay
Chan

Quote from freethisone on September 30th, 2012, 02:07 PM

Yup what is important is the voltage across the cap. he can fire it every time at 250 volts.  perhaps a lower capacity will also work.  currently 35 thousand micro farads? correct me if i am wrong. i thought thats what Russ said in the movie.

what i also think will work, 3 shots of increasing voltage. but hey if you wanna play u have to pay. Russ has all the fun..:(


cheers.

I'll tell you what,
If I had the cylinder, piston, thorium electrodes, hydrogen gas, and what not,
I'd be all over this, popping my own cylinder silly.
I think I know enough to get a basic setup up and running, all that's needed
is the "hardware", the electronics is just collecting dust here......come to
think of it, I still have my spark plug tester intact, that would do the HV job.
Then I have my variac to rectify and charge the tank caps.
I also have a vacuum pump...........AAMOF, I'm not missing all that much actually :D