Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2012, 02:26 PM

Quote from freethisone on September 30th, 2012, 02:07 PM

Yup what is important is the voltage across the cap. he can fire it every time at 250 volts.  perhaps a lower capacity will also work.  currently 35 thousand micro farads? correct me if i am wrong. i thought thats what Russ said in the movie.

what i also think will work, 3 shots of increasing voltage. but hey if you wanna play u have to pay. Russ has all the fun..:(


cheers.

I'll tell you what,
If I had the cylinder, piston, thorium electrodes, hydrogen gas, and what not,
I'd be all over this, popping my own cylinder silly.
I think I know enough to get a basic setup up and running, all that's needed
is the "hardware", the electronics is just collecting dust here......come to
think of it, I still have my spark plug tester intact, that would do the HV job.
Then I have my variac to rectify and charge the tank caps.
I also have a vacuum pump...........AAMOF, I'm not missing all that much actually :D

And of coarse the $1700 bottle of gases.

And away to transfer it to the cylinder.

Also do not forget the electronics are Important in an engine application. Not so much in a popper application...


:)

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on September 30th, 2012, 02:34 PM

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2012, 02:26 PM

Quote from freethisone on September 30th, 2012, 02:07 PM

Yup what is important is the voltage across the cap. he can fire it every time at 250 volts.  perhaps a lower capacity will also work.  currently 35 thousand micro farads? correct me if i am wrong. i thought thats what Russ said in the movie.

what i also think will work, 3 shots of increasing voltage. but hey if you wanna play u have to pay. Russ has all the fun..:(


cheers.

I'll tell you what,
If I had the cylinder, piston, thorium electrodes, hydrogen gas, and what not,
I'd be all over this, popping my own cylinder silly.
I think I know enough to get a basic setup up and running, all that's needed
is the "hardware", the electronics is just collecting dust here......come to
think of it, I still have my spark plug tester intact, that would do the HV job.
Then I have my variac to rectify and charge the tank caps.
I also have a vacuum pump...........AAMOF, I'm not missing all that much actually :D

And of coarse the $1700 bottle of gases.

And away to transfer it to the cylinder.

Also do not forget the electronics are Important in an engine application. Not so much in a popper application...


:)

Looking forward to seeing a document on all this, Russ.
Awesome work :)

Quote from rfnreynders on September 30th, 2012, 10:01 AM

To increase the power you simply have to increase the area where the plasma occurs.

When I read this the first thing I thought of was a Jacobs ladder.  I wonder if a miniture one could be made in the chamber of the popper.  The plasma arc could rise up and spread wider, contacting more atoms per fire.  Anyone ever try to make a spiralled Jacobs ladder?  That would also stir things up i bet.  It would probably require welding pieces of thorium rod together inside Russ' set up... not sure how possible that is.

Nate

I use Barbecue Propane in Ni/H, Papp and Zeolite (Reiter) over unity experiments.
I am poor, afraid  of H (Leaks, embrittlement & etc.), old but careful. As far as
Propane in an arc, do not dismiss use to establish active ionized Hydrogen
until after checking these references: http://www.google.com/url?q=http://event.cwi.nl/icpig05/cd/D:/pdf/05-234.pdf&sa=U&ei=N75oULeACYuk8gSh5IEI&ved=0CBQQFjAAOB4&sig2=9Z22RKH-GeWQpJFU1Rw8oA&usg=AFQjCNGAQcBJ6r-DvqLoy8C7GQnGR26WvA
and
http://www.teslauniverse.com/community/forums/tesla-builders/other-tesla-inventions/topic-7/0
Chuck, if you bleed propane through your PVC reactor, close off and fire away.
Then check the inside for black soot about plug. Sure, CH4 => C  + 4H (Ionized).
Just bought two microwave ovens for $28 at "Habitat for Humanity Outlet" and
eyed their collection of old CRT TV's..Picked up a powerful RFG pulse generator
previously used to quarterize nerves inside back bones via insertion of needles
 to cook the nerves causing chronic back pains in people. eBay Used it in early
Rossi replication studies for a patent application. Am I the last of the "Greatest
Generation" who still looks for Price Reduced stickers on meats and veggies?
Did someone mention hardware?
Chan

Instead of using alpha or beta radiation to pre-ionize the gas in the neighborhood of the spark gap, a hot filament might work.

The filament will emit a good supply of electrons and ionized the hydrogen near the spark gap.
 
The filament does not need to be white hot, just barely red.

The filament will not burn out because there is no oxygen in the chamber.

The filament can come out of a large incandescent lamp or if this is too delicate to withstand the spark discharge, a tungsten wire can be used.

Place the filament a centimeter or two offset positioned axially running parallel to the spark gap.

A positive charge can be applied to the electrodes to draw the ionized hydrogen from this hot filament to them.

This increased level of ionization in the gas may also allow the spark gap to be increased.

You could possibly use a glow plug for ionization.:D
http://www.racers-edge.com/MCCOY_59_GLOW_PLUG_HOT_p/rcemc59.htm

Great job Russ! Myth busted?

Quote from GordonFreeman on September 30th, 2012, 05:16 PM

Great job Russ! Myth busted?

No, not till we get this Nobel gas to pop. The hydgren did pop but we don't know why. Lol we don't know the reaction... May be a totally deferent principal... None the less it's doing work... ;) may be some where to start...

More testing needed. But something is happening...    

Congratulations Russ on your progress.  I can't read every post so this could be repeated information.  
First the number of joules applied is calculated using 250VDC then subtract joules of the remaining charge voltage of 120VDC.  This gives a net of 770 joules.  J=0.5CV^2
2) to apply more joules you can decrease the gap between the discharge points so the arc lasts longer and discharges the caps to a lower voltage but since the energy is based on V squared, 75v will probably be the lower limit.
3) As I mentioned previously, to get a faster rise time on the LV discharge, twist the wires together to lower the inductance.  You can also shorten them if there is excess wire.
4)  You can protect your meter by using a 1K ohm 1W resistor (can used two 500 ohm 0.5W in series as well) between the source positive and meter lead.  Connect a transient suppression diode like this one from Digikey  with the cathode (band) connected to the positive lead on the meter side of the resistor and other side to the negative (reversed biased).  http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/P6KE400A/P6KE400AFSCT-ND/3042681  (buy several, they are cheap).

Looking forward to more videos.

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2012, 02:26 PM

Quote from freethisone on September 30th, 2012, 02:07 PM

Yup what is important is the voltage across the cap. he can fire it every time at 250 volts.  perhaps a lower capacity will also work.  currently 35 thousand micro farads? correct me if i am wrong. i thought thats what Russ said in the movie.

what i also think will work, 3 shots of increasing voltage. but hey if you wanna play u have to pay. Russ has all the fun..:(


cheers.

I'll tell you what,
If I had the cylinder, piston, thorium electrodes, hydrogen gas, and what not,
I'd be all over this, popping my own cylinder silly.
Naughty boy... ;)

I think I know enough to get a basic setup up and running, all that's needed
is the "hardware", the electronics is just collecting dust here......come to
think of it, I still have my spark plug tester intact, that would do the HV job.
Then I have my variac to rectify and charge the tank caps.
I also have a vacuum pump...........AAMOF, I'm not missing all that much actually :D

Well go for it!! And it would be nice to have a clear sight tube
No need for thorium and H2 make yourself via electrolyzes
Just give the backside of the piston room to breath so there is less danger of high pressure collapses.
They have used plastics in the papp trials, just to see the reaction. Plus that you can influence the gas better through plastic then through steel, via coils etc.

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on September 30th, 2012, 02:34 PM

And of coarse the $1700 bottle of gases.

And away to transfer it to the cylinder.

Also do not forget the electronics are Important in an engine application. Not so much in a popper application...

:)

Zerwell also bought the expensive gas tank

Maybe if more poppers pop up you and he can sell airgun capsules of the mixture if the science goes that way..towards that its better to use noble gas or the mixture.

Quote from Axil on September 30th, 2012, 03:45 PM

Instead of using alpha or beta radiation to pre-ionize the gas in the neighborhood of the spark gap, a hot filament might work.

The filament will emit a good supply of electrons and ionized the hydrogen near the spark gap.
 
The filament does not need to be white hot, just barely red.

The filament will not burn out because there is no oxygen in the chamber.

The filament can come out of a large incandescent lamp or if this is too delicate to withstand the spark discharge, a tungsten wire can be used.

Place the filament a centimeter or two offset positioned axially running parallel to the spark gap.

A positive charge can be applied to the electrodes to draw the ionized hydrogen from this hot filament to them.

This increased level of ionization in the gas may also allow the spark gap to be increased.

Yep, many ways. I hope KC and Zerwell will pick one and try again/further.

Quote from Jeff Nading on September 30th, 2012, 04:46 PM

You could possibly use a glow plug for ionization.:D
http://www.racers-edge.com/MCCOY_59_GLOW_PLUG_HOT_p/rcemc59.htm

Yeah or like this guy, he drains the plug with water..

after 2 min he uses an even better plug

So we need a bigger plasma arc-preferably without useing any more power!!right?!!
Mmm-yes there is a way,and very simple.
Testing time
Back soon

So we need a bigger plasma arc-preferably without useing any more power!!right?!!
Mmm-yes there is a way,and very simple.
Testing time
Back soon

Quote from TinMan on September 30th, 2012, 10:58 PM

So we need a bigger plasma arc-preferably without useing any more power!!right?!!
Mmm-yes there is a way,and very simple.
Testing time
Back soon

I saw your engine Tinman, the one you wanted the popper onto.

If you'd use that, then are you also using the force of the downstroke?
By installing a second wheel above it?

Russ,
Go! You have the momentum! You have the power! Congratulations!
TinMan's video suggests use of a solenoid devise to power a wheel. The
devise may be thought of as a magnet popped through a coil - I think that
can be interpreted as a generator concept also.
http://www.freepistonpower.com/fp3.aspx
By turning TinMan's popper upside down and mounting it atop of your popper
assuming proper circuitry promoting continuous operation would result in
what might be a linear generator. Possible, Guys &  Gals? Comment Russ?
ChanRuss (Popper) + TinMan (Magnet Movement Through Coil) +
http://www.freepistonpower.com/fp3.aspx
- Diesel => Free Power (Pop a Watt)
Chan

Well i said it before, get your freaking flack helmet and lead pants on Russ, because something in the particles world is happening. When the air is glowing green it's because that it is bombarded with charged particles. Just like the Northern Lights the oxygen is giving of green light. So the surrounding air is charged in some way and it's that, that heats up your construction. Field enclosure. If you need some advise on the 27 mHz injection i maybe have some ideas. As always, top dollar work performer :-)
~Alan    

Well, maybe I don't actually need the thorium electrodes, perhaps I could
do just aswell with Tungsten, I know I have some old darts lying around
somewhere which I used in my Tesla coil experiments.
A cylinder however is, to me anyway, the most simple application I can
come to think of using in order to confirm that this works.

Quote from FaradayEZ on September 30th, 2012, 08:38 PM

Well go for it!! And it would be nice to have a clear sight tube
No need for thorium and H2 make yourself via electrolyzes
Just give the backside of the piston room to breath so there is less danger of high pressure collapses.
They have used plastics in the papp trials, just to see the reaction. Plus that you can influence the gas better through plastic then through steel, via coils etc.

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2012, 02:26 PM

I'll tell you what,
If I had the cylinder, piston, thorium electrodes, hydrogen gas, and what not,
I'd be all over this, popping my own cylinder silly.
Naughty boy... ;)

What on Earth do you mean? :D :rolleyes:

Quote from FaradayEZ on September 30th, 2012, 11:48 PM

Quote from TinMan on September 30th, 2012, 10:58 PM

So we need a bigger plasma arc-preferably without useing any more power!!right?!!
Mmm-yes there is a way,and very simple.
Testing time
Back soon

I saw your engine Tinman, the one you wanted the popper onto.

If you'd use that, then are you also using the force of the downstroke?
By installing a second wheel above it?

Ah yes-the pop crank setup.That is a design i have been working on for some years now,just never had a use for it until now.
Im actualy building one for the pulse motor build off-well one part of my setup will be similar.
I have made one small modification,and increased the efficiency by 50%.
So now were looking at around 92% efficiency insted of the I.C.E's 34%.

After the pulse motor build off,i will be makeing a gas powered pop crank engine-wether that be petrolium,lpg or HHO??-im not sure yet.
The valve operation was the biggest hurdle-but i have sorted that out in the way of electronicly operated valve's.

Anyway,back to the subject at hand.
Russ-im thinking you need a ring magnet in the bottom of your cylender,with one of the electrode's placed in the center-like that video demo i did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiRil6O4yvA

Quote from Lynx on October 1st, 2012, 02:56 AM

Well, maybe I don't actually need the thorium electrodes, perhaps I could
do just aswell with Tungsten, I know I have some old darts lying around
somewhere which I used in my Tesla coil experiments.
A cylinder however is, to me anyway, the most simple application I can
come to think of using in order to confirm that this works.

Quote from FaradayEZ on September 30th, 2012, 08:38 PM

Well go for it!! And it would be nice to have a clear sight tube
No need for thorium and H2 make yourself via electrolyzes
Just give the backside of the piston room to breath so there is less danger of high pressure collapses.
They have used plastics in the papp trials, just to see the reaction. Plus that you can influence the gas better through plastic then through steel, via coils etc.

Quote from Lynx on September 30th, 2012, 02:26 PM

I'll tell you what,
If I had the cylinder, piston, thorium electrodes, hydrogen gas, and what not,
I'd be all over this, popping my own cylinder silly.
Naughty boy... ;)

What on Earth do you mean? :D :rolleyes:

Even a big syringe can do the job, connected with a supered up sparkplug

Quote from FaradayEZ on October 1st, 2012, 04:21 AM

Even a big syringe can do the job, connected with a supered up sparkplug

I doubt it would be able to take the beating of the explosion, let alone
the vacuum pumping.
But thanks anyway.

Quote from Lynx on October 1st, 2012, 04:30 AM

Quote from FaradayEZ on October 1st, 2012, 04:21 AM

Even a big syringe can do the job, connected with a supered up sparkplug

I doubt it would be able to take the beating of the explosion, let alone
the vacuum pumping.
But thanks anyway.

What about transparent aluminum??-they use it in star trek lol.
All joke's aside-they do actualy make transparent aluminum(and people laughed at star trek)
Im not sure of the cost-but maybe worth looking into?.
If not,then why not use high temp Plexiglass tube.
I know we have 10mm thick clear tube avalible at our plexiglass place here in WA.
It has the same temp rateing as the clear plexiglass sight tube's on large hot water systems.
It's preasure rateing at 100 degree's c is 1200psi-so i recon that would do the trick.

Quote from TinMan on October 1st, 2012, 06:05 AM

What about transparent aluminum??-they use it in star trek lol.
All joke's aside-they do actualy make transparent aluminum(and people laughed at star trek)

Good call TinMan - http://phys.org/news167925273.html

That was a new one on me... :)

Cheers, ethospete...

Quote from TinMan on October 1st, 2012, 06:05 AM

Quote from Lynx on October 1st, 2012, 04:30 AM

Quote from FaradayEZ on October 1st, 2012, 04:21 AM

Even a big syringe can do the job, connected with a supered up sparkplug

I doubt it would be able to take the beating of the explosion, let alone
the vacuum pumping.
But thanks anyway.

What about transparent aluminum??-they use it in star trek lol.
All joke's aside-they do actualy make transparent aluminum(and people laughed at star trek)
Im not sure of the cost-but maybe worth looking into?.
If not,then why not use high temp Plexiglass tube.
I know we have 10mm thick clear tube avalible at our plexiglass place here in WA.
It has the same temp rateing as the clear plexiglass sight tube's on large hot water systems.
It's preasure rateing at 100 degree's c is 1200psi-so i recon that would do the trick.

Didn't Russ buy some clear tube earlier? (plastic and glass) He found that the inside wasn't straight enough for a piston?
But maybe that's fixable?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zWJNyoFgJM&feature=related


at certain high voltages, and high frequency's there is an increase in the out put of the plasma-tron device..  

these higher frequency must be needed if  these 3 states in that order of plasma energy occur.

if each time there must be a collapse. the higher frequency may sustain the effect. Oscillator is needed?

thanks Russ for all the hard work..

hehe:) 3 stated of plasma.. check it out,,:cool:

Quote from freethisone on October 1st, 2012, 07:23 AM

hehe:) 3 states of plasma.. check it out,,:cool:

"Back to the future..." this video is on page 1 of this message thread where all the fun began...  :)

Cheers, ethospete...