Quote from FaradayEZ on October 5th, 2012, 12:22 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 4th, 2012, 11:13 PM

my main concern is the EMP that come off the system when i dump the caps... might as well stand next to a 100,000 amp coil for a while... ( I have gotten sick from EMP's that comes off my Rodin coils...) (kinda been feeling the same... how can i detect these strong EMP's?  )

With a coil and a amp/volt meter? Maybe with a circuit to make sound? And didn't you make such a device earlier..with the diode's for field strenght?

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H2 in that Starbucks glass doesn't sound good to me...why? Cause you can't really vacuum that glass the right way. Doing it with a syringe will leave much air left and then H2 will explode.. Better use H2 with something with a pop-off cap.

i use the vacuum pump to suck all the air out and it is "empty" then fill it. works just fine! :)

Just don't get it to POP... cause it will shatter..

lol yes. i was concerned the first time i did this but i'm guessing it was already vacuumed as it will insulate better... :)

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 4th, 2012, 11:13 PM

my main concern is the EMP that come off the system when i dump the caps... might as well stand next to a 100,000 amp coil for a while... ( I have gotten sick from EMP's that comes off my Rodin coils...) (kinda been feeling the same... how can i detect these strong EMP's?  )

~Russ

I remember when I charged caps to 800V and then discharged them in water
through 2 electrodes which had a very narrow gap, it was during my earlier
Meyer WFC experiments brainstorming bright ideas :D
Anyway, at times I noticed that my LCD TV blanked out during the discharge,
although it was some 9-10 feet away, so I guess that could (maybe) be seen as
a very crude way of detecting EMPs.
Dig out some old display, power it up showing something, and when it blanks
out = duck and cover :D
Thinking about thinking, in nuclear power plants they have deionized distilled
purified water as a barrier to the core, just because of it's excellent shielding
properties.
Perhaps a window filled with the stuff would make a good safety barrier?
Stay safe, nr 1 rule here :cool:

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 5th, 2012, 12:48 AM

attached some photos, scope shots and data on the H popper tests...

~Russ

Awesome, thanks!!! :D

Quote from Lynx on October 5th, 2012, 02:19 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 4th, 2012, 11:13 PM

my main concern is the EMP that come off the system when i dump the caps... might as well stand next to a 100,000 amp coil for a while... ( I have gotten sick from EMP's that comes off my Rodin coils...) (kinda been feeling the same... how can i detect these strong EMP's?  )

~Russ

I remember when I charged caps to 800V and then discharged them in water
through 2 electrodes which had a very narrow gap, it was during my earlier
Meyer WFC experiments brainstorming bright ideas :D
Anyway, at times I noticed that my LCD TV blanked out during the discharge,
although it was some 9-10 feet away, so I guess that could (maybe) be seen as
a very crude way of detecting EMPs.
Dig out some old display, power it up showing something, and when it blanks
out = duck and cover :D
Thinking about thinking, in nuclear power plants they have deionized distilled
purified water as a barrier to the core, just because of it's excellent shielding
properties.
Perhaps a window filled with the stuff would make a good safety barrier?
Stay safe, nr 1 rule here :cool:

In the middle ages they had 'malienkolders' a kind of suit made out of all small rings put together.
That would give a cage of faraday and the holder would be fine inside and don't notice any emf. Its also good to earth/ground yourself with a cable to the radiator or such.

Quote from FaradayEZ on October 5th, 2012, 05:01 AM

Its also good to earth/ground yourself with a cable to the radiator or such.

:D

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 4th, 2012, 11:13 PM

my main concern is the EMP that come off the system when i dump the caps... might as well stand next to a 100,000 amp coil for a while... ( I have gotten sick from EMP's that comes off my Rodin coils...) (kinda been feeling the same... how can i detect these strong EMP's?  )

Would this EMR Detector Dosimeter suffice?

Photos are great Russ.:cool::D:P

Quote from FaradayEZ on October 5th, 2012, 05:01 AM

In the middle ages they had 'malienkolders' a kind of suit made out of all small rings put together.
That would give a cage of faraday and the holder would be fine inside and don't notice any emf. Its also good to earth/ground yourself with a cable to the radiator or such.

Russ,

Meet Patrick Brown, a performer in a little local band round these parts.  He is wearing metal shoes too, so when he lifts a foot, you can see arcs go to ground.  The ozone may be somewhat unavoidable...

kcd

 I would like to maybe rephrase my earlier analogy if you don't like the crystalline explanation.

 We all know hydrogen is intimately entangled with the water molecule. Lets now look at the process of what happens to water when barraged with energy. It's lightest form is steam and we know when we expose the water to energy of this kind it expands and forms steam. It puffs up as a result.
 Since hydrogen is the basis of water I would think it shares a few traits with it. I'm betting the puffing up is the hydrogen itself. We know plasma is super hot in most cases. And the unit is getting warm. We also know that there is a slight change in the volume because of a retained heat. This keeps a certain portion of the hydrogen gas excited and puffy. I would liken this to steel retaining a certain magnetism when exposed to high fields. Maybe you can adjust your levels in the beginning to be slightly negative to accommodate the extra value or even control this via a balancing mechanism that equalizes the pressure as it runs to always maintains an equal pressure from inside to outside.

Quote from FaradayEZ on October 5th, 2012, 05:01 AM

In the middle ages they had 'malienkolders' a kind of suit made out of all small rings put together.
That would give a cage of faraday and the holder would be fine inside and don't notice any emf. Its also good to earth/ground yourself with a cable to the radiator or such.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kfTPDJnDtM&feature=plcp

Quote from Lynx on October 5th, 2012, 05:15 AM

Quote from FaradayEZ on October 5th, 2012, 05:01 AM

Its also good to earth/ground yourself with a cable to the radiator or such.

:D

LOL..ground the malienkolder i meant, ground the cage around ye :)

Quote from firepinto on October 5th, 2012, 03:02 PM

Quote from FaradayEZ on October 5th, 2012, 05:01 AM

In the middle ages they had 'malienkolders' a kind of suit made out of all small rings put together.
That would give a cage of faraday and the holder would be fine inside and don't notice any emf. Its also good to earth/ground yourself with a cable to the radiator or such.

dark video.....

That's why they were called the dark ages i guess..

But so you get beefed up due to the weight and protected from knife attacks and protected from emf/emp and electricity

That's worth 80 Bucks..!!   Sure.. ;)

Quote from FaradayEZ on October 5th, 2012, 05:00 PM

Quote from Lynx on October 5th, 2012, 05:15 AM

Quote from FaradayEZ on October 5th, 2012, 05:01 AM

Its also good to earth/ground yourself with a cable to the radiator or such.

:D

LOL..ground the malienkolder i meant, ground the cage around ye :)

Quote from firepinto on October 5th, 2012, 03:02 PM

Quote from FaradayEZ on October 5th, 2012, 05:01 AM

In the middle ages they had 'malienkolders' a kind of suit made out of all small rings put together.
That would give a cage of faraday and the holder would be fine inside and don't notice any emf. Its also good to earth/ground yourself with a cable to the radiator or such.

dark video.....

That's why they were called the dark ages i guess..

But so you get beefed up due to the weight and protected from knife attacks and protected from emf/emp and electricity

That's worth 80 Bucks..!!   Sure.. ;)

Hi Russ.
let me try to break it dow,:s

if you want to work with magnetic fields such as Rodin coils, and at the same time perhaps worry about x- rays and such. you could build a "plasma reactor heheh"  shield the thing in a heavy lead box., and bricks  to protected against high magnetic fields ... so we should work with feeble amounts of voltage, and less capacity.
working with fine wire, and shorter gaps perhaps. One other thing mentiond was the top and bottom of the cylinder  needs to be steel? is that correct?  Not to worry, but it gives the energy a place to go. into a conductor. cheers..

what do you guys  think? :dodgy:  

I was thinking about gravity again, and i said what if the slow moving fluid is the negative or electrons., easy as that. what if the ions, or molecules are much faster having a positive charge.  Well yea? (atoms) So i said, its like salmon running up stream. both fluids are moving. Yea  the one doing all the work moves faster. the one that said electric field is the density of the electron water.:blush:

To see if you are getting a good size magnetic field during a pop, just set a compass right beside where you are standing and see if the needle moves fast.  If not, then don't worry about it.   If you have a large field then place an aluminum tube over the apparatus and check again with the compass.  The field may induce a current in the tube so hold it down at first and insulate the inside with plastic so it can't short to anything if it moves.  Use the compass to check the results.

Update 12... Helium... Seems to work just fine?  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIrjnrTYofc

Thoughts...

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 6th, 2012, 03:06 AM

Update 12... Helium... Seems to work just fine?  

Thoughts...

~Russ

Awesome, again :D
Regarding the increase of pressure when you "charge" the gas, will a pressure gague
show any increase of pressure during the charging cycle alone?
If so then your theory about higher electron orbital state which expands the atoms
seems to be correct.
Also, could it be the case that the "explosion" heats things up in the cylinder and then
as the piston goes up it creates a relative vacuum in there, which in turn then cools
things down a bit......?

Btw, yellow light......sunlight......some kind of fusion process?
http://www.windows2universe.org/sun/Solar_interior/Nuclear_Reactions/Fusion/Fusion_in_stars/H_fusion.html

Keep up the good work!!! :D

Cool Russ, keep on truck-in.:cool::D:P

Quote from jabowery on October 4th, 2012, 08:03 PM

If 15 others will chip in $10 a piece for Russ he can buy this geiger counter with computer interface.

It detects gamma-rays as well as x-rays.

Who will do it?

Is there anything better for the money out there?

For this project he really needs a neutron detector. A portable unit is around $450 or he could use badges.

 I like how this is going. It seems the plasma ignition is the key. Sorta like a cap burst. It fills then releases the energy into the gas expanding the gas. Whats left over is residual heat.

 Great work Russ.

Hi Russ,

So besides using a better relay switch... you haven't captured the back current or done anything with it? Why not connect your empty thoriumcapsules to some capacitors or to an electric motor, or a light?

If you get that back current out of the way..maybe then you can fire more rapidly..or at least work towards a more zero energy efficient process.

Maybe the temperature will also drop when you deroute the back current.

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If ye gonna use coils.. make sure that the magnetic force will work through your
cylinderwall...test it out in some other small way.


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Do make already some calculations on input/output... or can someone here do those and tell us how many joules we up until now have to save to break even?

Quote from freethisone on October 5th, 2012, 07:45 PM

what do you guys  think? :dodgy:  

I was thinking about gravity again, and i said what if the slow moving fluid is the negative or electrons., easy as that. what if the ions, or molecules are much faster having a positive charge.  Well yea? (atoms) So i said, its like salmon running up stream. both fluids are moving. Yea  the one doing all the work moves faster. the one that said electric field is the density of the electron water.:blush:

I'd know what ross perot would have said: "Its like when a rabbit has a helicopter it wouldn't need a bicycle now would it?..makes no sense.. "

Lol  :D

What size breaker are you kicking? 2 pole 30 feeding the powersupply?
831 joules. So thats 831 watts per second. At 10 cents a kw does that mean it costs $00.0831 each time you fire it or is that what it would cost if it ran for an hour straight?
Great job!!!

Quote from k c dias on October 4th, 2012, 09:50 AM

I found this on one of JR's websites:

     Today's BIG NEWS -  Due to RECENT events at USPTO, our Patent is now valued at 5 MILLION Dollars.
     
Up from 3 Million just 6 months ago, guaranteed. AS Does the companies value..

No date given for this entry...

The web site:

http://virgin-engine.com/

What the USPTO has to say about the patent application (2 Oct 2012)


Claim Rejections - 35 USC § 103

 4. The following is a quotation of 35 U.S.C. 103(a) which forms the basis for all obviousness rejections set forth in this Office action:

(a) A patent may not be obtained though the invention is not identically disclosed or described as set forth in section 102 of this title, if the differences between the subject matter sought to be patented and the prior art are such that the subject matter as a whole would have been obvious at the time the invention was made to a person having ordinary skill in the art to which said subject matter pertains. Patentability shall not be negatived by the manner in which the invention was made.

....rejected claims....


Information regarding the status of an application may be obtained from the Patent Application Information Retrieval (PAIR) system. Status information for published applications may be obtained from either Private PAIR or Public PAIR. Status information for unpublished applications is available through Private PAIR only. For more information about the PAIR system, see http://pair-direct.uspto.gov. Should you have questions on access to the Private PAIR system, contact the Electronic Business Center (EBC) at 866-217-9197 (toll-free). If you would like assistance from a USPTO Customer Service Representative or access to the automated information system, call 800-786-9199 (IN USA OR CANADA) or 571-272-1000.

     5 MILLION  - really??  Where do I sign up??..

Well isn't this the final note that the papp technologie and the plasmerg technologie are free to public use? Plasmerg isn't new enough..

So will dr.J still come up with a working engine on 11 december and how will these rejections effect his sponsors.....???

You'll all see at the next episode of....POP-SOAP!

Will the butler KC-jenson run off with his own engine? Will poolboy Russ throw etc..

;)

Maybe air works less successfully only because part of the energy is absorbed by a chemical reaction of oxygen, like producing nitrogen dioxide or ozone. It would be interesting to try air with the oxygen removed. One way to remove oxygen is to burn it off with hydrogen and condense the water out. Maybe somebody can think of a less explosive method that produces a solid oxygen compound, like heating iron wool (steel wool) in air, producing iron oxides.

Hello Russ.
Great work man.
Hope you read my posts about the 27MHz antenna tuning, you really need to do that if you want to keep your transitors in one piece.
I am also trying to replicate the "Plasimic Transition Process" and i have to say i agree with your theory.
I beleive when plasma forms, it changes the distance or binding energy of Hydrogen (H2, 2 hydrogen atoms bound close together) or Helium for that matter.
I think its all in the bindings.
Well, after seeing your experiments, as an independent open minded and non biased tester, i will not try to duplicate your work, you already did it and showed us that it works, i am working on a CDI, ignition timing system for a 2 cylinder motor.
Happy to share it with you if you want it, when im finished.
Only one question, it seems you put a Lot of electric energy into the sparks, (an impressive capacitor bank there. You should make sure you gain more than you put in.
Ok again, great work Russ, keep it up
I will watch your posts and try to contribute when i have some results
Regards from Sweden,  Janne Strom

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I believe when plasma forms, it changes the distance or binding energy of Hydrogen (H2, 2 hydrogen atoms bound close together) or Helium for that matter.
I think its all in the bindings.

IMHO, as also expressed by Russ in video 12, this is the leading causation theory regarding the movement of the piston.

But there seems to be a subconscious predisposition in our collective thinking caused by our lifelong exposure to the technologies of the internal combustion engine that vacuum/compression generation is also involved; but this may not be true.

If the cause of piston movement is electrostatic and/or magnetic repulsion associated with the  growth of atoms that causes the piston to move, then vacuum/compression production may not be involved at all.

The piston might move using a coilgun or railrun type of reaction. A coil gun is a type of projectile accelerator that consists of one or more coils used as electromagnets in the configuration of a synchronous linear motor which accelerate a magnetic projectile to high velocity.

 



One why to test the ultimate cause of the piston’s movement is to remove compression as a factor in the movement of the piston by allowing gas to flow through and/or around the metal piston.

Another test is to make the piston out of some non-magnetic material.

There are a number of experimental permutations and combination that we can use to nail down what forces are causing the piston to move.

Finding out what really causes the piston to move is important in designing the best Papp engine possible.

For example, the rings on the piston may be adding a source of fiction that reduces piston movement and causes undo cylinder ware that is not really needed.  

Also, the vibration and performance of the engine may depend on the type of material that the piston is made out of: steel, stainless steel, nickel, plastic, aluminum, and iron magnet.
 

Quote from GordonFreeman on October 6th, 2012, 10:09 AM

What size breaker are you kicking? 2 pole 30 feeding the powersupply?
831 joules. So thats 831 watts per second. At 10 cents a kw does that mean it costs $00.0831 each time you fire it or is that what it would cost if it ran for an hour straight?
Great job!!!

Hi Gordon,  just to add a little clarity, the electricity cost is 10 to 15 cents/ KWH so it would take an hour's use at 1000 watts to cost that.  The energy Russ is using is far less.  I don't know what the capacitor rating or even the voltage was as he changed it but if he was discharging 700 joules and then recharging it at one second intervals that would be 700 watts.  One hour of use would be 700/1000 watts x 10 cents = 7 cents.  For faster or slower rates of charge/discharge, divide the joules by the time.  For 0.5 seconds, it is 700/0.5 = 1400 watts.  

One problem is that the joules expended is based on V^2 so as you raise the voltage and keep the same discharge rate, the wattage goes up by the square.  I believe I made a mistake on a previous post  in using discharge time of the caps to calculate watts.  The total joules used (no matter how fast the discharge) per second is the wattage.