Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.

FaradayEZ

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #600, on October 3rd, 2012, 08:06 AM »Last edited on October 3rd, 2012, 08:08 AM by FaradayEZ
Quote from freethisone on October 3rd, 2012, 07:40 AM
Just to pile on some additional research.. here it is ..

http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTgeneration.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19650023945_1965023945.pdf

looks like you got your work cut out for you Russ:huh::blush:...
Yeah! And hurry up also with it cause we want our video doses!!

United russfollowers fighting for their viewing rights... he has the power to make them and power corrupts doesn't it?

Whaaahhttsss up evryboddieieieieie??


Quote from k c dias on October 3rd, 2012, 08:01 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 3rd, 2012, 06:40 AM
1   Atm    =   14.695948775492     psi


http://online.unitconverterpro.com/conversion-tables/convert-alpha/pressure.html

Guess I need start some tests over, I was know where near that???
Uh, Russ,



PSI is not the same as PSIA.  But you knowww that right??



kcd
Tell us again KCD...its been so long since highschool en SI system...


Badger

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #602, on October 3rd, 2012, 10:20 AM »Last edited on October 3rd, 2012, 10:35 AM by Badger
Quote from k c dias on October 3rd, 2012, 08:08 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 3rd, 2012, 06:40 AM
1   Atm    =   14.695948775492     psi


http://online.unitconverterpro.com/conversion-tables/convert-alpha/pressure.html

Guess I need start some tests over, I was know where near that???
Uh, Russ,

PSI is not the same as PSIA.  But you knowww that right??

kcd
Yeah, this is important.  If your gage is reading "0", that's 1 atm or 14.7 psi, the pressure in the air around you.  If your gage reads 10 psi, that's over and above the 14.7 psi around you, it's measuring the difference.  Right?  Someone else confirm?

Axil,
Good idea on the linear engine, found this on a similar (maybe same) design,
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Linear_Combustion_Electromagnetic_Engines

Axil

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #603, on October 3rd, 2012, 02:55 PM »Last edited on October 3rd, 2012, 03:17 PM by Axil
It goes to reason that nearly half of the electron radiation produced by the spark will be directed toward the rear of the cylinder where the site glass is. These electrons will be wasted I think.

I wonder is it might help the power production of the spark if we install a magmatic mirror near the electrodes or in the rear of the electrodes to reflect and redirect most of the electrons produced by the spark toward the piston head.



A magnetic mirror is a coil of wire where the magnetic field lines radiate from the coil’s center outward toward the piston



Using a DC current, you can see how the magnetic mirror coil can project the electrons toward the desired direction. The north pole of a compact needle when placed inside or near the coil should point in the desired direction of plasma flow.

As an alternitive to a coil, a solid iron ring magnet that looks like a washer: a disk with a large hole it,  can also be used for rugged operation.



 



 


freethisone

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #604, on October 3rd, 2012, 04:09 PM »Last edited on October 3rd, 2012, 04:11 PM by freethisone
Quote from FaradayEZ on October 3rd, 2012, 08:06 AM
Quote from freethisone on October 3rd, 2012, 07:40 AM
Just to pile on some additional research.. here it is ..

http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTgeneration.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19650023945_1965023945.pdf

looks like you got your work cut out for you Russ:huh::blush:...
Whaaahhttsss up evryboddieieieieie??


Quote from k c dias on October 3rd, 2012, 08:01 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 3rd, 2012, 06:40 AM
1   Atm    =   14.695948775492     psi


http://online.unitconverterpro.com/conversion-tables/convert-alpha/pressure.html

Guess I need start some tests over, I was know where near that???
Uh, Russ,

PSI is not the same as PSIA.  But you knowww that right??
Here is the pdf once again.  I would like to point out something interesting in the PDF file, about half way down we get to the stix magnet. a 2 coil configuration, and opposite windings on each.

it also showed how there induction would occur. also i had read about a steady state magnetic field modulated perhaps between 4 and 6 thousand gauss electric field apply.  thats a huge field. you can use 6 Rodin coils and use each face  in a cube formation. would be incredible to see that much of a field produced..
 
You can learn other things also that may answer some questions.
what i have learned is pair production in hydrogen. simple spin dictates.
but also you have two moving fluids, one being slow like Stan had said, the electrons. the other very fast spins perhaps ions in the opposite direction even..

thought i make things easy, clearly it is not. cheers




~Russ

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #605, on October 4th, 2012, 01:59 AM »
Quote from Badger on October 3rd, 2012, 10:20 AM
Quote from k c dias on October 3rd, 2012, 08:08 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 3rd, 2012, 06:40 AM
1   Atm    =   14.695948775492     psi


http://online.unitconverterpro.com/conversion-tables/convert-alpha/pressure.html

Guess I need start some tests over, I was know where near that???
Uh, Russ,

PSI is not the same as PSIA.  But you knowww that right??

kcd
Yeah, this is important.  If your gage is reading "0", that's 1 atm or 14.7 psi, the pressure in the air around you.  If your gage reads 10 psi, that's over and above the 14.7 psi around you, it's measuring the difference.  Right?  Someone else confirm?

Axil,
Good idea on the linear engine, found this on a similar (maybe same) design,
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Linear_Combustion_Electromagnetic_Engines
Ummm, ok, what I'm saying is that if the chamber is suposto be 1 ATM then my gage should read 0 psi.

I think I was confused. Lol brain fart. Well it was stuck. Lol

~Russ



k c dias

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #608, on October 4th, 2012, 09:50 AM »
I found this on one of JR's websites:

     Today's BIG NEWS -  Due to RECENT events at USPTO, our Patent is now valued at 5 MILLION Dollars.
     
Up from 3 Million just 6 months ago, guaranteed. AS Does the companies value..


No date given for this entry...

The web site:

http://virgin-engine.com/

What the USPTO has to say about the patent application (2 Oct 2012)


Claim Rejections - 35 USC § 103

 4. The following is a quotation of 35 U.S.C. 103(a) which forms the basis for all obviousness rejections set forth in this Office action:

(a) A patent may not be obtained though the invention is not identically disclosed or described as set forth in section 102 of this title, if the differences between the subject matter sought to be patented and the prior art are such that the subject matter as a whole would have been obvious at the time the invention was made to a person having ordinary skill in the art to which said subject matter pertains. Patentability shall not be negatived by the manner in which the invention was made.

5. Claims 1-9, 14, and 17-20 are rejected under 35 U.S.C. 103(a) as being unpatentable over Bebich (USPN 6,581,581) in view of Papp (USPN 4,428,193).

6. Claims 1, 7, and 9: Bebich discloses an internal expansion engine (1) comprising: a transition chamber (2);
a piston (4) forming a wall of said transition chamber (see fig. 1 and col. 7 line 65-co|. 8 line 10);
a charge of noble gas provided within said transition chamber (air is understood to contain noble gas; col. 9, line 45-50);
a magnetic field generator (18 provided around said transition chamber see fig. 1);
a radio frequency power source (8) coupled to said transition (see fig. 1); and an initiator system (12) located within said transition chamber to initiate the transition process (col. 8, line 5-10);

7. Bebich does not explicitly disclose the exact composition of noble gases as further claimed. However Papp teaches a similar device (title) that discloses: wherein said noble gas constitutes at least ten percent, twenty percent, and fifty percent of all gases provided within said transition chamber (col. 8, line 60-68).

8. Therefore it would have been obvious to one of ordinary skill in the art at the time of invention to utilize a mixture of greater than 50% of noble gases in order to increase efficiency (col. 1, line 40-45).

9. Claims 2-6: Bebich further discloses:
a connecting rod (32) coupled to said piston;
a crankshaft (43) coupled to said connecting rod;
a flywheel (30) coupled to said crankshaft (see fig. 1-2); and wherein said radio frequency power source comprises an antenna extending into said transition chamber (see fig. 3 and col. 9, line 25-35).  

10. Claim 8: Bebich further discloses said initiator system as a spark coil (see fig. 3).

11. Claim 14: Bebich further discloses a battery coupled to said magnetic field generator (col. 7, line 23-35).

12. Claims 17-20: Bebich discloses A method for moving a piston (title) comprising:
an expansion chamber (2);
a piston (4) forming a wall of said expansion chamber (see fig. 1 and col. 7 line 65-coI. 8 line 10)
providing a charge of noble gas within said expansion chamber (air is understood to contain noble gas; col. 9, line 45-50);
generating a magnetic field around said piston (18 provided around said transition chamber see fig. 1);
generating a spark within said expansion chamber (fig. 3);
varying the strength of said magnetic field in response to movement of said piston (col. 4, line 5-65);
increasing said magnetic field as said piston decreases the size of said expansion chamber and decreasing said magnetic field as said piston increases the size of said expansion chamber (as there are magnets mounted on the top of the combustion chamber and top of the piston and magnetic fields vary proportionally to distance, the field is understood to strengthen as the piston moves up and weaken as the piston moves down; see col. 4, line 5-65; see also claim 16-18);
and ionizing said charge of noble gas within said expansion chamber (see claim 1).

13. Bebich does not explicitly generating a plasma as further claimed. However Papp teaches a similar device (title) that discloses generating a plasma within said expansion chamber (col. 12, line 25-45).

14. Therefore it would have been obvious to one of ordinary skill in the art at the time of invention to generate plasma in order to increase efficiency (col. 1, line 40-45).

15. Claims 10-13 are rejected under 35 U.S.C. 103(a) as being unpatentable over Bebich and Papp in further view of Reichlinger (USPN 5,845,619).

16. Claims 10-13: Bebich further discloses:
said transition chamber being toroidal (the combustion chamber appears to be round and thus toroidal; see fig. 1);
a connected (32) rod coupled to said piston
a crank shaft (43) coupled to said crank arm; and
a flywheel (30) coupled to said crank shaft (see fig. 1-2).

17. Bebich does not disclose the series of magnetic sensors as further claimed. However, Reichlinger discloses a control system for a similar device (abstract) wherein:
a magnet coupled to said flywheel (claim 2);
and a Hall effect switch secured within the magnetic field generated by said magnet (claim 2);
and a field effect transistor coupled to said hall effect switch (claim 2, and col. 3 line 50).  

18. Therefore it would have been obvious to one of ordinary skill in the art at the time of invention utilize the magnetic sensors of Reichlinger in order to increase efficiency (col. 1, line 10-25.
 
Conclusion

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     5 MILLION  - really??  Where do I sign up??..

k c dias

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #609, on October 4th, 2012, 12:25 PM »
Quote from jabowery on October 4th, 2012, 08:29 AM
I'm willing to chip in $10 for some kind of X-Ray detection.  This would be good for 2 reasons:

1) Russ's safety.
2) It would indicate anomalous conditions.
AND, one other thing - a set of wrenches too!!  Then he can use those water pump pliers on water pumps, lol

We're picking on you bekuz we luv u Russ :)

kcd


Axil

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #610, on October 4th, 2012, 01:18 PM »
@jabowery:

Russ’s experiment will produce x-rays. Whenever you have high energy electrons hitting a metal surface, x-rays will result.

The focus fusion (FF) experiment is very close to what Russ is doing and they plan to directly convert x-rays to electricity using a multi layered metal foil x-ray converter. This converter uses thousands of thin metal insolated sheets, x-rays are absorbed by these foils and all the x-rays are converted to electric charge.

I believe that Russ will also produce some neutrons. But not many since he is using ordinary hydrogen with 1 part in 5000 deuterium in it. But for his safety, it is important to know what the x-ray dose is.

FF uses 50KeV and 2,000,000 amps in their spark. And they produce at least 10,000,000,000,000 neutrons per shot using the 50/50 hydrogen isotope mix of deuterium and tritium for their gas.

The mistake that FF is making is that they are not using a piston to do their energy conversion for them.

It would be interesting to combine some of the ideas from FF and the Papp engine together.

We would do well to use some of the FF methods in producing a focused plasmoid. A hollow central anode produces the plasmoid and focuses it into a projected one-directional tight ultra-thin electron beam.

The huge positive electric charge inside the hollow anode concentrates the electron flow into a very thin concentrated and collimated beam in which a knot of ball lightning develops. The electrons and protons are separated leaving a pure electron beam that exits the central anode.

 One experiment that would be interesting is to use the FF electrode design in the popper.

Such a tight electron beam might move the piston with high efficiency. Our beam is diffuse and not concentrated like a flash of light from a camera. Their beam is focused like a laser beam.

But this idea may not even work, but even that will tell us something valuable. Failure usually teaches more than success.

On another note, John Rohner says his design produces a plasmoid using the element Strontium. It is easier and less expensive to use a hollow central anode to generate this plasmoid like FF does.

This hollow anode would also eliminate the need for the confinement coils that Papp. Bob and John Rohner all use to keep the plasma off the walls of the cylinder.

The design of this FF device has been going on for the last 35 years. IMHO, it would be smart for the Papp experimenters to take the best ideas from FF and combine them with the Papp technology.

This video shows how the FF electrodes work.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVif4hUAJ8c



jabowery

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #611, on October 4th, 2012, 01:34 PM »Last edited on October 4th, 2012, 01:53 PM by jabowery
Axil, please understand that the level* of X-Rays is the issue.

Don't inadvertently undercut my attempt to get Russ the equipment he needs by adding noise.

*The level of X-Rays expected from the kind of capacitors and discharge circuits here is so low as to be clearly non-injurious.  However, we are dealing with an unexpected phenomenon (the mechanical action of plasma).

Axil

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #612, on October 4th, 2012, 02:00 PM »Last edited on October 4th, 2012, 02:10 PM by Axil
Quote from jabowery on October 4th, 2012, 01:34 PM
Axil, please understand that the level* of X-Rays is the issue.

Don't inadvertently undercut my attempt to get Russ the equipment he needs by adding noise.

*The level of X-Rays expected from the kind of capacitors and discharge circuits here is so low as to be clearly non-injurious.  However, we are dealing with an unexpected phenomenon (the mechanical action of plasma).
So sorry to have offended you with added noise.

I wanted to point out among other things that the issue is more involved than just x-ray exposure and give some reasons and examples why I think this is so. The other dangers are neutron emissions and gamma ray-emissions.

Russ could be producing many of these plasmoid instabilities and he should know what they are and how they could come about.

These plasmoids are ball lightning which J Rohner says he produces.


X-rays might not get through the metal walls of the popper but neutrons and gamma rays will.

The type of equipment that Russ and the other experimenters doing these experiments need to get should detect all types of radiation including; alpha, beta, gamma, neutrons, and x-rays, not just x-rays

Jeff Nading

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #613, on October 4th, 2012, 02:33 PM »Last edited on October 4th, 2012, 02:35 PM by Jeff Nading
Quote from Axil on October 4th, 2012, 02:00 PM
Quote from jabowery on October 4th, 2012, 01:34 PM
Axil, please understand that the level* of X-Rays is the issue.

Don't inadvertently undercut my attempt to get Russ the equipment he needs by adding noise.

*The level of X-Rays expected from the kind of capacitors and discharge circuits here is so low as to be clearly non-injurious.  However, we are dealing with an unexpected phenomenon (the mechanical action of plasma).
So sorry to have offended you with added noise.

I wanted to point out among other things that the issue is more involved than just x-ray exposure and give some reasons and examples why I think this is so. The other dangers are neutron emissions and gamma ray-emissions.

Russ could be producing many of these plasmoid instabilities and he should know what they are and how they could come about.

These plasmoids are ball lightning which J Rohner says he produces.


X-rays might not get through the metal walls of the popper but neutrons and gamma rays will.

The type of equipment that Russ and the other experimenters doing these experiments need to get should detect all types of radiation including; alpha, beta, gamma, neutrons, and x-rays, not just x-rays
Be safe than sorry Russ, please be careful. Thanks jabowery and    Axil.

firepinto

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #614, on October 4th, 2012, 03:10 PM »
Quote from k c dias on October 4th, 2012, 12:25 PM
Quote from jabowery on October 4th, 2012, 08:29 AM
I'm willing to chip in $10 for some kind of X-Ray detection.  This would be good for 2 reasons:

1) Russ's safety.
2) It would indicate anomalous conditions.
AND, one other thing - a set of wrenches too!!  Then he can use those water pump pliers on water pumps, lol

We're picking on you bekuz we luv u Russ :)

kcd
Those are sweet Knipex pliers!  Bought my dad a pair and wish I bought myself one.

http://www.knipex.com/en/contact-service/how-does-it-work-animated-graphics/86-03-250-plier-wrench/

Nate

meggerman

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #615, on October 4th, 2012, 03:29 PM »
Quote from Jeff Nading on October 4th, 2012, 02:33 PM
The type of equipment that Russ and the other experimenters doing these experiments need to get should detect all types of radiation including; alpha, beta, gamma, neutrons, and x-rays, not just x-rays
Hi,
Certainly safety is very important.
I think you can block neutrons using certain plastics (HDPE).
http://www.radiationshieldingsolutions.com/?gclid=CLqft9Gv6LICFSfMtAodkDoAew
http://www.quadrantplastics.com/eu-en/news/news/detail-view/article/quadrant-epps-borotronR-enhanced-hdpe-u-00000022.html
So a sheet of HDPE (with 5% boron) and some lead should help.

Has Bob or John Rohner been affected over the years in all their research?
If there is a burst of radiation during the plasma transition, then this may go further to prove that a fusion process is taking place, as well as proving it may be dangerous to put your head right next to it.

I like Axil's idea about the focused spark, and is something to consider to help reduce the energy required for plasma ignition.
Like I mentioned before, I think the Intelligentry 2 cylinder engine uses 4 electrodes to create a concentrated spark to improve efficiency.

Meggerman  

Chan

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #616, on October 4th, 2012, 03:34 PM »
No x rays here:
Collected 4 old CRT TV's for $5.
Found help here:
http://www.stephenhobley.com/blog/2010/11/12/20000-volt-dc-power-supply-from-an-old-tv/
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lwhvps.htm
Will try to use Russ "StarBuck" method to evaluate following sources for
ionized Hygrogen: Hydrogen (I will try this very dangerous gas last
remembering the Hindenburg disaster), CH4 (Street pipe gas - Methane),
Butane (From a Cigar lighter) & Barbecue Propane. A needle through the
botton with alligator clip to negative 20 k volt output but the positive to a
permanent magnet lowered into the glass from a fish line.And yes, the
dismantling of fine wire from one to be used to wrap the glass, I.will supply
this coil with isolated 20 k volts from one of the sets. Love those strong
electromagnetic fields and hoping for maximum dirty soot.
Pop a Watt,
Chan

Jeff Nading

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #617, on October 4th, 2012, 03:39 PM »Last edited on October 4th, 2012, 03:40 PM by Jeff Nading
Quote from meggerman on October 4th, 2012, 03:29 PM
Quote from Jeff Nading on October 4th, 2012, 02:33 PM
The type of equipment that Russ and the other experimenters doing these experiments need to get should detect all types of radiation including; alpha, beta, gamma, neutrons, and x-rays, not just x-rays
Hi,
Certainly safety is very important.
I think you can block neutrons using certain plastics (HDPE).
http://www.radiationshieldingsolutions.com/?gclid=CLqft9Gv6LICFSfMtAodkDoAew
http://www.quadrantplastics.com/eu-en/news/news/detail-view/article/quadrant-epps-borotronR-enhanced-hdpe-u-00000022.html
So a sheet of HDPE (with 5% boron) and some lead should help.

Has Bob or John Rohner been affected over the years in all their research?
If there is a burst of radiation during the plasma transition, then this may go further to prove that a fusion process is taking place, as well as proving it may be dangerous to put your head right next to it.

I like Axil's idea about the focused spark, and is something to consider to help reduce the energy required for plasma ignition.
Like I mentioned before, I think the Intelligentry 2 cylinder engine uses 4 electrodes to create a concentrated spark to improve efficiency.

Meggerman
They use HDPE in laser printers, Tom Rohner died because of something to do with radiation.

Jeff Nading

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #618, on October 4th, 2012, 03:43 PM »
Quote from Chan on October 4th, 2012, 03:34 PM
No x rays here:
Collected 4 old CRT TV's for $5.
Found help here:
http://www.stephenhobley.com/blog/2010/11/12/20000-volt-dc-power-supply-from-an-old-tv/
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lwhvps.htm
Will try to use Russ "StarBuck" method to evaluate following sources for
ionized Hygrogen: Hydrogen (I will try this very dangerous gas last
remembering the Hindenburg disaster), CH4 (Street pipe gas - Methane),
Butane (From a Cigar lighter) & Barbecue Propane. A needle through the
botton with alligator clip to negative 20 k volt output but the positive to a
permanent magnet lowered into the glass from a fish line.And yes, the
dismantling of fine wire from one to be used to wrap the glass, I.will supply
this coil with isolated 20 k volts from one of the sets. Love those strong
electromagnetic fields and hoping for maximum dirty soot.
Pop a Watt,
Chan
Sounds like a plan Chan.:cool::D:P

k c dias

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #619, on October 4th, 2012, 03:46 PM »Last edited on October 5th, 2012, 07:27 AM by k c dias
Quote from firepinto on October 4th, 2012, 03:10 PM
Quote from k c dias on October 4th, 2012, 12:25 PM
AND, one other thing - a set of wrenches too!!  Then he can use those water pump pliers on water pumps, lol
We're picking on you bekuz we luv u Russ :)
kcd
Those are sweet Knipex pliers!  Bought my dad a pair and wish I bought myself one.
http://www.knipex.com/en/contact-service/how-does-it-work-animated-graphics/86-03-250-plier-wrench/

Nate
I... stand corrected! :)
Quote from Chan on October 4th, 2012, 03:34 PM
No x rays here:
Collected 4 old CRT TV's for $5.
Found help here:
http://www.stephenhobley.com/blog/2010/11/12/20000-volt-dc-power-supply-from-an-old-tv/
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lwhvps.htm
Will try to use Russ "StarBuck" method to evaluate following sources for
ionized Hygrogen: Hydrogen (I will try this very dangerous gas last
remembering the Hindenburg disaster), CH4 (Street pipe gas - Methane),
Butane (From a Cigar lighter) & Barbecue Propane. A needle through the
botton with alligator clip to negative 20 k volt output but the positive to a
permanent magnet lowered into the glass from a fish line.And yes, the
dismantling of fine wire from one to be used to wrap the glass, I.will supply
this coil with isolated 20 k volts from one of the sets. Love those strong
electromagnetic fields and hoping for maximum dirty soot.
Pop a Watt,
Chan
Wow!  Chan.   Please, a photo!

kcd
Edit: fixed double post...

FaradayEZ

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #620, on October 4th, 2012, 05:50 PM »Last edited on October 4th, 2012, 06:07 PM by FaradayEZ
Quote from Jeff Nading on October 4th, 2012, 03:43 PM
Quote from Chan on October 4th, 2012, 03:34 PM
No x rays here:
Collected 4 old CRT TV's for $5.
Found help here:
http://www.stephenhobley.com/blog/2010/11/12/20000-volt-dc-power-supply-from-an-old-tv/
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lwhvps.htm
Will try to use Russ "StarBuck" method to evaluate following sources for
ionized Hygrogen: Hydrogen (I will try this very dangerous gas last
remembering the Hindenburg disaster), CH4 (Street pipe gas - Methane),
Butane (From a Cigar lighter) & Barbecue Propane. A needle through the
botton with alligator clip to negative 20 k volt output but the positive to a
permanent magnet lowered into the glass from a fish line.And yes, the
dismantling of fine wire from one to be used to wrap the glass, I.will supply
this coil with isolated 20 k volts from one of the sets. Love those strong
electromagnetic fields and hoping for maximum dirty soot.
Pop a Watt,
Chan
Sounds like a plan Chan.:cool::D:P
H2 in that Starbucks glass doesn't sound good to me...why? Cause you can't really vacuum that glass the right way. Doing it with a syringe will leave much air left and then H2 will explode.. Better use H2 with something with a pop-off cap.

In regards to radiation... nice if we can measure it, but i don't expect there to be much..i am expecting derivative's of H2 and even some Helium though in the working mixture.
(as found in cold fusion stuff)



Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 4th, 2012, 01:59 AM
Quote from Badger on October 3rd, 2012, 10:20 AM
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1   Atm    =   14.695948775492     psi


http://online.unitconverterpro.com/conversion-tables/convert-alpha/pressure.html

Guess I need start some tests over, I was know where near that???
Uh, Russ,

PSI is not the same as PSIA.  But you knowww that right??

kcd
Yeah, this is important.  If your gage is reading "0", that's 1 atm or 14.7 psi, the pressure in the air around you.  If your gage reads 10 psi, that's over and above the 14.7 psi around you, it's measuring the difference.  Right?  Someone else confirm?

Axil,
Good idea on the linear engine, found this on a similar (maybe same) design,
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Linear_Combustion_Electromagnetic_Engines
Ummm, ok, what I'm saying is that if the chamber is suposto be 1 ATM then my gage should read 0 psi.

I think I was confused. Lol brain fart. Well it was stuck. Lol

~Russ
Feels like you're wiggling ye way out of this one. Own up, we didn't know the difference anymore.

Only makes us more human

Vanity sneeks up too easily



~Russ

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #622, on October 4th, 2012, 11:13 PM »Last edited on October 4th, 2012, 11:14 PM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
wow you guys are grate! :)

good stuff going on here, lets see, where do i start,

1. i just ordered one of these:
 http://www.gammascout.com/products.html
(Gamma-Scout Rechargeable)

peter payed for it but the 10$ will help a lot for trying to cover the cost...

how do we detect neutrons?

my main concern is the EMP that come off the system when i dump the caps... might as well stand next to a 100,000 amp coil for a while... ( I have gotten sick from EMP's that comes off my Rodin coils...) (kinda been feeling the same... how can i detect these strong EMP's?  )

2. I love my "pliers" and you cant beat them!!!!!!!!! ( although i have been using a ratchet wrench lately... ahhh, )

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H2 in that Starbucks glass doesn't sound good to me...why? Cause you can't really vacuum that glass the right way. Doing it with a syringe will leave much air left and then H2 will explode.. Better use H2 with something with a pop-off cap.
i use the vacuum pump to suck all the air out and it is "empty" then fill it. works just fine! :)

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Feels like you're wiggling ye way out of this one. Own up, we didn't know the difference anymore.
yeah, ummmmm, crap. lol

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Chan Wrote:  No x rays here:
Collected 4 old CRT TV's for $5.
Found help here:
http://www.stephenhobley.com/blog/2010/1...an-old-tv/
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lwhvps.htm
Will try to use Russ "StarBuck" method to evaluate following sources for
ionized Hygrogen: Hydrogen (I will try this very dangerous gas last
remembering the Hindenburg disaster), CH4 (Street pipe gas - Methane),
Butane (From a Cigar lighter) & Barbecue Propane. A needle through the
botton with alligator clip to negative 20 k volt output but the positive to a
permanent magnet lowered into the glass from a fish line.And yes, the
dismantling of fine wire from one to be used to wrap the glass, I.will supply
this coil with isolated 20 k volts from one of the sets. Love those strong
electromagnetic fields and hoping for maximum dirty soot.
Pop a Watt,
Chan
cant wait the test results!
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As an alternitive to a coil, a solid iron ring magnet that looks like a washer: a disk with a large hole it, can also be used for rugged operation.
i already have planed this one out... been working on some magnet placements last week! thing is that in paps patents the coils were timed in sequence to get things working at max efficiently and to  " layer the gasses" so there is more to theses coils than we think... but we can still play with " focusing" the plasma ball...

7. thanks for all the concerns and thoughts. keep it going. good stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

~Russ

FaradayEZ

RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #623, on October 5th, 2012, 12:22 AM »Last edited on October 5th, 2012, 12:44 AM by FaradayEZ
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 4th, 2012, 11:13 PM
my main concern is the EMP that come off the system when i dump the caps... might as well stand next to a 100,000 amp coil for a while... ( I have gotten sick from EMP's that comes off my Rodin coils...) (kinda been feeling the same... how can i detect these strong EMP's?  )

With a coil and a amp/volt meter? Maybe with a circuit to make sound? And didn't you make such a device earlier..with the diode's for field strenght?

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H2 in that Starbucks glass doesn't sound good to me...why? Cause you can't really vacuum that glass the right way. Doing it with a syringe will leave much air left and then H2 will explode.. Better use H2 with something with a pop-off cap.
i use the vacuum pump to suck all the air out and it is "empty" then fill it. works just fine! :)

Just don't get it to POP... cause it will shatter..