Quote from FaradayEZ on April 20th, 2013, 02:05 AM

Quote from Ris on April 20th, 2013, 01:19 AM

Quote from FaradayEZ on April 19th, 2013, 02:36 PM

Quote from Ris on April 19th, 2013, 09:41 AM

My chronicle of events:
my car consumes 330000 kj-100km,one kilogram of water contains  13000kj so we need 25 liters per 100km-h for disassemble water we need 91kw altrnator(100% farad efficiency)---if Majer managed to make efficiency 900% we still need 10kw(I never saw that he used so much power)It tells us that the system must be recombining--Just pure hydrogen can be reused as plasma but plasma can not produce so much energy  plasma requires more energy than getting gas, in both cases Majer,Papp missing energy tanks or they could be Majer-water-,Papp-bucket-emf
A machineS like this must have energy storage that they would be able to work, it is the principle of work.
This is the principle of what I came up with my model long before than I found Majer and Papp work.

Maybe you should start a new thread for this new model engine, so things won't mix up and get confused.

That is why  I'm here It is very similar to Papp but much simpler and I have a  real mathematical evidence that should work(This delay is killing me)
GREETINGS

Put it in "open projects", start a thread and explain the engine as far as you are with it now. Don't mess up the thread here, let others help you with your idea and project there, here it can't really grow. Here you can tell its like papp , but here is no room to develop it really. Here we use the popper russ made, (because he started this thread) to work on the papp secrets.

If you don't know how, i'll open a thread for ye

OK I  don't know how JUST do not understand the word  thread
SO IF YOU HAVE WILL  TO HELP I agree
The idea is simple MAY BE corny But I think it's worth BECAUSE it can be proved mathematically that is, there is not much mystery

Quote from Ris on April 20th, 2013, 02:49 AM

Quote from FaradayEZ on April 20th, 2013, 02:05 AM

Put it in "open projects", start a thread and explain the engine as far as you are with it now. Don't mess up the thread here, let others help you with your idea and project there, here it can't really grow. Here you can tell its like papp , but here is no room to develop it really. Here we use the popper russ made, (because he started this thread) to work on the papp secrets.

If you don't know how, i'll open a thread for ye

OK I  don't know how JUST do not understand the word  thread
SO IF YOU HAVE WILL  TO HELP I agree
The idea is simple MAY BE corny But I think it's worth BECAUSE it can be proved mathematically that is, there is not much mystery

Ok Ris, this link brings you at the new thread

http://www.open-source-energy.org/?tid=1126&pid=14647#pid14647

it is at /forum/open-source-projects/ris - engine with hho and papp

I suggest that you explain there a bit more about the idea

Success with the build!

(i thought they had new moderators here?....James! i say..really..)

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 13th, 2013, 03:13 PM

Quote from Enrg4life on January 13th, 2013, 06:57 AM

Nice find Russ, this is similar to an experiment I did with a carbon electrode,isolated from a stainless steel pipe, 480vdc and small droplets of water dropping onto it from above. It created a plasma burst, a loud explosion each time I dropped water on to it from above.
Enrg4life

Souds like a lot of fun! ;)

I did try sitting a droplet of water in the path way of the spark but it just kinda just popped every where when the HV hit it! Lol I don't know if it had anything to do with the water exploding like I would have thought. ;)

Dear Russ,

Attached is a picture of my spark plug. It has a groove in. The point that must have abated as no heat was generated. This lookes like melting but is not as no heat was generated.

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Quote from element 119 on April 19th, 2013, 08:34 PM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 7th, 2013, 05:00 PM

fYI to all:

I have been working on some stuff with the coils and testing my old circuit. Connected deffriently... Will make a video if I get to play tonight! ;) blessings!! ~Russ

By saying you are using your old circuit but wired differently, do you mean your original circuit using only the two electrodes for the DC and HV?

Or still using the 4 electrode setup?

element 119

Quote from element 119 on April 16th, 2013, 01:59 PM

Bob on the crossover energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDfEt544PZ8

element 119

I note that Bob Rohner's video has just become private!
I wonder if he has just realized the fact that the power out of the buckets that is enough to fire the plasma of the other cylinder can be used directly without reduction to the required amount needed for exact powering of it. The whole process is so much simpler if you just convert this electricity to your required voltage by a switching power supply.

Willard
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Posted by Willard Elliott - Today 03:36 PM
I note that Bob Rohner's video has just become private!
 I wonder if he has just realized the fact that the power out of the buckets that is enough to fire the plasma of the other cylinder can be used directly without reduction to the required amount needed for exact powering of it. The whole process is so much simpler if you just convert this electricity to your required voltage by a switching power supply.

 Willard
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He has more video's out there with the popper and the feedback current going to the electric motor. It would be silly to try to hide this, because it is common knowledge that the feedbackcurrent is something to be used in the dual cylinder engine, just for the purpose you mentioned.
But to not get a die-out or runaway engine one needs to manipulate the amount of current/volts going hence and forth.

The feedback current can be use for a single cylinder design, it doesn't require a dual cylinder design to use the energy. Its how you capture it or apply it to your timing that is important. A dual (crossover) is ideal, but It can run a single cylinder just as well.

Quote from BobN on April 24th, 2013, 03:41 PM

The feedback current can be use for a single cylinder design, it doesn't require a dual cylinder design to use the energy. Its how you capture it or apply it to your timing that is important. A dual (crossover) is ideal, but It can run a single cylinder just as well.

Your right, it can be used for anything, but i don't think bob is hiding his video's..or just found out an efficient way for the feedbackcurrent...;)


If our open - source - research on the Papp engine still has some believers, we need to rally all together and see who can do what needed tests or actions.

Its open source, so why do we place everything in Russ his hands? We already can find out some important stuff to help things along.

Are there people here with a popperlike device?

Are there people here in possession of noble gas?

Are there people here who could get the pappengine as a project into a highschool or university?

..............
We need to do something cause now we are running in circles

I am working on a popper EZ.  I agree it isn't all on Russ's shoulders.  My popper is going to be a 2.5" cylinder due to what my next application idea is.  I just blew up my timer circuit the other day, so I need to repair that or move on to another HV arc plan that I was debating on anyways.  

Russ, maybe you could print me up a chamber for my popper?  It's probably burn a couple hours of run time on your awesome 3d printer.  :)

Not sure if you're still on FB, but Christopher just posted a video of a Military experimental plasma device.  It appears to have a grounded screen above the ignition much like an ion thruster.  They claim no known health hazards:)

https://vimeo.com/64071383

Hopefully the link works.  

Tim

Quote from Slickhanz on April 25th, 2013, 08:21 AM

I am working on a popper EZ.  I agree it isn't all on Russ's shoulders.  My popper is going to be a 2.5" cylinder due to what my next application idea is.  I just blew up my timer circuit the other day, so I need to repair that or move on to another HV arc plan that I was debating on anyways.  

Russ, maybe you could print me up a chamber for my popper?  It's probably burn a couple hours of run time on your awesome 3d printer.  :)

Not sure if you're still on FB, but Christopher just posted a video of a Military experimental plasma device.  It appears to have a grounded screen above the ignition much like an ion thruster.  They claim no known health hazards:)

https://vimeo.com/64071383

Hopefully the link works.  

Tim

What the poppers still need to do is find the backcurrent plus use some mixes and popp them and put the data down.

When one has noble gas we need to find how to cluster it. Some post ago there are some suggestions. And having a popper someone needs to test if the clustered gas has more power.

These seem to be the next logical tests.

I can read FB and saw the mentioning of this plasma study.
Also the mentioning of high temperatures.... on those i'm interested if they radiate heat outwards or not..and how to measure such and compare it with a papp plasma as to call it...

I hope some other university or highschool may adopt the papp research soon, there is enough material for them to pick it up easily. We've just to find one teacher who will promote it and give (extra)credits to a researchgroup of students.

Or even students them self could ask to do this research for points.

Aren't most universities of liberal mind?

Russ,

Nice video that tells electricity plus gas=the overall amount of energy expressed in the heat.

Quote from element 119 on April 19th, 2013, 08:34 PM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 7th, 2013, 05:00 PM

fYI to all:

I have been working on some stuff with the coils and testing my old circuit. Connected deffriently... Will make a video if I get to play tonight! ;) blessings!! ~Russ

By saying you are using your old circuit but wired differently, do you mean your original circuit using only the two electrodes for the DC and HV?

Or still using the 4 electrode setup?

element 119

I'm using my old circuit ( neon sign transformer caps ect) but connected in the "X" methiod. like i was in my 20.1 update with the ignition coils. 4 electrodes. ( i don't like this for reasons i'm still testing)

finding some intresting stuff. will make a video when i can. also some good stuff in the works. just a madder of time but it will be good.

~Russ  

Quote from Willard Elliott on April 3rd, 2013, 10:26 AM

To Russ and all builders in the group,

I used 42 volts as my capacitor was only rated at 40 Volts DC. I used the igniter method of setting off the spark. My next experiment is to try Hydrogen gas. I wish I could monitor the temperature through the time period of 3.5 seconds. If i can find a fast enough probe I will monitor it on my storage oscilloscope. I hope this helps. Keep up the good work Russ, Bob Rohner and all others.

Willard

Willard, thanks for the report. i think its all in the circuit design as well. can you please post a schematic and also some photos of your current set up?

this would be extremely helpful!

thanks for the post !

~Russ

Just a BTW...

Next Thursday, May 2, Gary Hendershot (a.k.a. Smart Scarecrow) is suppose to have Bob Rohner as his featured guest.

http://smartscarecrow.com/live/

Be there at 9PM Eastern Time with your questions ready.

Let's get all we can get from the guy.

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 26th, 2013, 10:39 PM

Quote from Willard Elliott on April 3rd, 2013, 10:26 AM

To Russ and all builders in the group,

I used 42 volts as my capacitor was only rated at 40 Volts DC. I used the igniter method of setting off the spark. My next experiment is to try Hydrogen gas. I wish I could monitor the temperature through the time period of 3.5 seconds. If i can find a fast enough probe I will monitor it on my storage oscilloscope. I hope this helps. Keep up the good work Russ, Bob Rohner and all others.

Willard

Willard, thanks for the report. i think its all in the circuit design as well. can you please post a schematic and also some photos of your current set up?

this would be extremely helpful!

thanks for the post !

~Russ

Russ,

I have attached a picture of my crrystal ball with sillica gell in it and a static detecter (folded Renolds wrap foil).  No static was detected during the two tests that I did. The first test had the reflectiv cover around the ball covering about 90% of it.
As I cannot figure out how to send a video file with this pos I have sent a personal E-mail to you Russ of the second test  video.

Willard

Quote from Dog-One on April 27th, 2013, 08:01 AM

Just a BTW...

Next Thursday, May 2, Gary Hendershot (a.k.a. Smart Scarecrow) is suppose to have Bob Rohner as his featured guest.

http://smartscarecrow.com/live/

Be there at 9PM Eastern Time with your questions ready.

Let's get all we can get from the guy.

Be there at 9PM Eastern--Time I do not get THIS  
I AM IN FRONT OF YOU 8 HOURS
Can you calculate ACCURATE WITH MY TIME PLEASE
Should be asked how many MOISTURE HAS IN the NG mixture. AND look carefully for his reaction.

Quote from Ris on April 27th, 2013, 02:30 PM

Be there at 9PM Eastern--Time I do not get THIS  
I AM IN FRONT OF YOU 8 HOURS
Can you calculate ACCURATE WITH MY TIME PLEASE

http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_HR.aspx

Quote from Ris on April 27th, 2013, 02:30 PM

Should be asked how many MOISTURE HAS IN the NG mixture. AND look carefully for his reaction.

Be sure to:

• Bring your best manors.

• Play nice.

• No ALL CAPITAL LETTERS.  ;)

• Think before you type.

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Quote from Dog-One on April 27th, 2013, 03:45 PM

Quote from Ris on April 27th, 2013, 02:30 PM

Be there at 9PM Eastern--Time I do not get THIS  
I AM IN FRONT OF YOU 8 HOURS
Can you calculate ACCURATE WITH MY TIME PLEASE

http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_HR.aspx

Quote from Ris on April 27th, 2013, 02:30 PM

Should be asked how many MOISTURE HAS IN the NG mixture. AND look carefully for his reaction.

Be sure to:

• Bring your best manors.

• Play nice.

• No ALL CAPITAL LETTERS.  ;)

• Think before you type.

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I DO NOT THINK to ask just watch
and I finally realized it was 6 hours difference but I'm on the north eastern hemisphere, behind the zero meridian is northwestern hemisphere so how do you say Eastern Time.

Quote from Dog-One on April 27th, 2013, 08:01 AM

Just a BTW...

Next Thursday, May 2, Gary Hendershot (a.k.a. Smart Scarecrow) is suppose to have Bob Rohner as his featured guest.

http://smartscarecrow.com/live/

Be there at 9PM Eastern Time with your questions ready.

Let's get all we can get from the guy.

I'm hoping he will show that rotary enging running, but I kinda doubt it !!!
Also it's unlikely we will see anything new, but who knows. :D

element 119
 

Quote from element 119 on April 29th, 2013, 04:14 PM

Quote from Dog-One on April 27th, 2013, 08:01 AM

Just a BTW...

Next Thursday, May 2, Gary Hendershot (a.k.a. Smart Scarecrow) is suppose to have Bob Rohner as his featured guest.

http://smartscarecrow.com/live/

Be there at 9PM Eastern Time with your questions ready.

Let's get all we can get from the guy.

I'm hoping he will show that rotary enging running, but I kinda doubt it !!!
Also it's unlikely we will see anything new, but who knows. :D

element 119

I have a question that someone who can log into the chat could ask.

On FB he claimed that he has overunity with his last video with the two piston setup. He also says that he says so on the video (is mumbling in my ears but ok)
He says the amount of overunity is still in the low numbers, but o.u. it is.

So if that is his claim, that he reaches, a lot of the times when running, overunity...

Then why not give a kind of evidence that is more stable, strong etc.
He even could get more investors interested and the attention for papp would grow again.

Quote from FaradayEZ on April 30th, 2013, 12:53 AM

Quote from element 119 on April 29th, 2013, 04:14 PM

Quote from Dog-One on April 27th, 2013, 08:01 AM

Just a BTW...

Next Thursday, May 2, Gary Hendershot (a.k.a. Smart Scarecrow) is suppose to have Bob Rohner as his featured guest.

http://smartscarecrow.com/live/

Be there at 9PM Eastern Time with your questions ready.

Let's get all we can get from the guy.

I'm hoping he will show that rotary enging running, but I kinda doubt it !!!
Also it's unlikely we will see anything new, but who knows. :D

element 119

I have a question that someone who can log into the chat could ask.

On FB he claimed that he has overunity with his last video with the two piston setup. He also says that he says so on the video (is mumbling in my ears but ok)
He says the amount of overunity is still in the low numbers, but o.u. it is.

So if that is his claim, that he reaches, a lot of the times when running, overunity...

Then why not give a kind of evidence that is more stable, strong etc.
He even could get more investors interested and the attention for papp would grow again.

**he has overunity with his last video with the two piston setup**---Totally wrong VIEWS Because everyone thinks that current in the wire HAS 95% EFFICIENCY  Who knows how many electrons PRODUCE magnetic field

Quote from Ris on April 30th, 2013, 03:27 AM

Quote from FaradayEZ on April 30th, 2013, 12:53 AM

Quote from element 119 on April 29th, 2013, 04:14 PM

Quote from Dog-One on April 27th, 2013, 08:01 AM

Just a BTW...

Next Thursday, May 2, Gary Hendershot (a.k.a. Smart Scarecrow) is suppose to have Bob Rohner as his featured guest.

http://smartscarecrow.com/live/

Be there at 9PM Eastern Time with your questions ready.

Let's get all we can get from the guy.

I'm hoping he will show that rotary enging running, but I kinda doubt it !!!
Also it's unlikely we will see anything new, but who knows. :D

element 119

I have a question that someone who can log into the chat could ask.

On FB he claimed that he has overunity with his last video with the two piston setup. He also says that he says so on the video (is mumbling in my ears but ok)
He says the amount of overunity is still in the low numbers, but o.u. it is.

So if that is his claim, that he reaches, a lot of the times when running, overunity...

Then why not give a kind of evidence that is more stable, strong etc.
He even could get more investors interested and the attention for papp would grow again.

**he has overunity with his last video with the two piston setup**---Totally wrong VIEWS Because everyone thinks that current in the wire HAS 95% EFFICIENCY  Who knows how many electrons PRODUCE magnetic field

who claims it may proof it...

beautiful! no problems with pistons!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHxYqnev59g

Quote from d3x0r on April 30th, 2013, 10:59 PM

beautiful! no problems with pistons!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHxYqnev59g

That is pretty neat.  Bet that little turbine rotor would work well for HHO too.

I noticed Roberts stresses the Thorium and alpha particles; guessing those are still fundamental to making the Papp mixture expand as it does.

Quote from d3x0r on April 30th, 2013, 10:59 PM

beautiful! no problems with pistons!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHxYqnev59g

I guess ask and ye shall receive! ;)

That is very cool !!!

I didn’t think we would get to see the Rotary Engine running so soon glad I was wrong !!!

Thanks Dannel and Bob the work you guys are doing is fantastic.

Also thanks d3x0r for finding this video.

element 119