I was speaking about volume or compression ratio. I beleive that you inadvertently perceived that I was talking about pressure.
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Jimmy Soborie has much more detail on this in his patent application.
As The patent has been in the public domain long enough I freely give this to you.
I am certain that this will help you in your replication,
Willard
Update 21https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MAR6uRe7wI
Russ,
You talk in the video about a toroid plasma smoke ring that would give no pressure to a pressure reading device on the ignition side.
But that would mean that the mass and the speed of the toroid would be enough to bounce so hard against the piston to get the power found.
I think that to be highly unlikely.
It could have some merit if the mass of the gas would become much more in a plasmoid. But then again, if mass is inert, slow to change position, then what pushes it towards the piston? It has to push itself against the ignition wall to get a speedy start towards the piston...
So finding no heat in the engine is one thing...but also finding no pressure will surely get me in a cookook facillity...
Update 21https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MAR6uRe7wI
Well, not necessarily no pressure but just in in accurate reading. I definitely know we will see pressure there I just don't know if it will be accurate to the amount of force at the end of our piston????
Something to consider when discussing 'pressure' of a moving mass of a gas, plasma or otherwise, the static pressure, measured perpendicular to the flow, may not be what you think it is or hope it to be. For example, the pressure at the exit plane of a jet engine is at AMBIENT pressure.
kcd
Isn't it the same? If the phenomena increases the volume 5 times at constant pressure (Atmospheric in our case), the same phenomena will increase the pressure 5 times if the volume is constant. P*V=ConstantQuote from Willard Elliott on May 15th, 2013, 07:31 AM I was speaking about volume or compression ratio. I beleive that you inadvertently perceived that I was talking about pressure.Don't understand what Intensifier Tube has to do with the Papp engine can you explain? Also can you give a link to the patent of J.Soborie - Can't find it...Quote from Willard Elliott on May 14th, 2013, 03:20 PM ...
Jimmy Soborie has much more detail on this in his patent application.
As The patent has been in the public domain long enough I freely give this to you.
I am certain that this will help you in your replication,
Willard
I have comment here about the use of a balloon. Years ago I worked at an Army facility trademarked as the BangBox. It was an inflatable dome building made out of vinyl to trap the gases released from explosive detonations. Why did we use a flexible building for explosive testing you may ask? Because initially we made a building out of 14 inch thick welded armor plate that is now scattered all over the West Desert.
http://www.dugway.army.mil/
You see, when you have an explosion, there are shock waves developed that quite literally take solid metal apart in microseconds. With the vinyl building all you get is a relatively small burp of gas pressure and a ripple of the shock wave that travels from the source of detonation up to the top of the dome. This ripple from the shock waves cause no adverse effects to the soft material.
So when you watch Russ test with a balloon, consider for a moment the little bounce at T0, to be but a tiny artifact of what is really happening within the chamber. The potential pressure wave that travels up the cylinder can be and probably is, many orders of magnitude greater than what you detect from the balloon.
So, think mushroom cloud?
Due to the residue build up inside the cylinder any attempts to provide a highly polished surface to reflect light in a NGE is a waste of time.
So in my opinion I say, move along please. ;)
Besides you don’t really want the gas to stay expanded for a long time, this would hinder the piston from returning to BDC.
Interesting effect but better left to scientific study by a research lab.
element 119
In the Papp engine design as patented, the polished walls of the cylinder would have been wiped clean of residue by the movement of the piston. This would keep the walls of the cylinder bright.Quote from element 119 on May 29th, 2013, 06:25 AM Due to the residue build up inside the cylinder any attempts to provide a highly polished surface to reflect light in a NGE is a waste of time.
So in my opinion I say, move along please. ;)
Besides you don’t really want the gas to stay expanded for a long time, this would hinder the piston from returning to BDC.
Interesting effect but better left to scientific study by a research lab.
element 119
I have to comment here about the use of a balloon. Years ago I worked at an Army facility trademarked as the BangBox. It was an inflatable dome building made out of vinyl to trap the gases released from explosive detonations. Why did we use a flexible building for explosive testing you may ask? Because initially we made a building out of 14 inch thick welded armor plate that is now scattered all over the West Desert.
http://www.dugway.army.mil/
You see, when you have an explosion, there are shock waves developed that quite literally take solid metal apart in microseconds. With the vinyl building all you get is a relatively small burp of gas pressure and a ripple of the shock wave that travels from the source of detonation up to the top of the dome. This ripple from the shock waves cause no adverse effects to the soft material.
So when you watch Russ test with a balloon, consider for a moment the little bounce at T0, to be but a tiny artifact of what is really happening within the chamber. The potential pressure wave that travels up the cylinder can be and probably is, many orders of magnitude greater than what you detect from the balloon.
I just viewed video 22. The aluminum foil experiment may not have worked because UF light cannot pass through glass. A quarts tube is transparent to UV rays.
Put the foil on the inside of the glass if that is possible. Cover as much inner surface with the foil as possible because the uncovered areas will absorb the UV rays.
Willard may have used plastic for his chamber which may let UV through. I would like to know what this globe was made out of.
Yes true but the main pop takes place when the piston is closest to the electrodes and therefore the shinny part would not be a factor.Quote from Axil on May 29th, 2013, 08:17 AM In the Papp engine design as patented, the polished walls of the cylinder would have been wiped clean of residue by the movement of the piston. This would keep the walls of the cylinder bright.Quote from element 119 on May 29th, 2013, 06:25 AM Due to the residue build up inside the cylinder any attempts to provide a highly polished surface to reflect light in a NGE is a waste of time.
So in my opinion I say, move along please. ;)
Besides you don’t really want the gas to stay expanded for a long time, this would hinder the piston from returning to BDC.
Interesting effect but better left to scientific study by a research lab.
element 119
More pops when the piston is approaching BDC in the shinny part of the cylinder may hinder the piston returning if the gas stays expanded.
See Bob’s video about the braking effect of the gas staying expanded to long.
Just my opinion.
element 119
Note I edited 1st post to read TDC instead of BDC. Sorry for the confusion!!!