Quote from Ris on April 7th, 2013, 04:19 AM

So where are you American such an important topic and a good theory and no one will discuss with me.I do not bite humans at least not through the computer.
GREETINGS

RIS - your thoughts come across a bit jumbled. I think there is a bit of a translation issue. Maybe try being a little more direct and shorter in your statements, it might help. Good look, at least you know several languages.

Quote from Ris on April 5th, 2013, 05:49 AM

THOUGHTS ON coil around the cylinder.IF THE THEORY OF ELECTRONS ACCURATE And do not see a reason why not THEN WE NEED ELECTRONIC EXHAUST
HOW I am familiar with PLASMA behavior My opinion is that plasma EXPOSED TO magnetic field BE clenched OR WILL ROTATE, BECAUSE WE HAVE A BIGGER SPACE CYLINDER PROBABLY WILL ROTATE(TESTING-PLASMA BALL TOY--YOU KNOW ON WHAT I THINK Just need to stick coil around THE BALL) THAT PLASMA ROTATION IS  ELECTRONIC EXHAUST Because plasma After ignition MUST static electricity discharged ON THE WALL  OF CYLINDER Which IS FROM ALUMINIUM, IF YOU DO NOT MAKE THAT PROBABLY WILL GET TO EXPLOSION After some time--RETENTION ELECTRONS IN GASES IS VISIBLE Increasing the volume.
IN FACT coil MAY HAVE a dual role.
IF this so WHY ELECTRICITY unnecessary spending WHEN WE CAN STORE In the gases to a certain level.
AND WARMTH BECAUSE HEAT SPREADING MATTER It is certainly advisable BECAUSE the electrons can more easily tie(electron cloud)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBjayjBBR54      IF ANYONE KNOWS HOW MUCH  ELECTRONS RELEASE  FROM SPARKS  
Nevermind In my CONCEPT Spark from lighter  WILL BE ENOUGH.

Interesting thought on the coils, some of theses thoughts have come up in the past posts. Will need to do some tests with my coils.

fYI to all:

I have been working on some stuff with the coils and testing my old circuit. Connected deffriently... Will make a video if I get to play tonight! ;) blessings!! ~Russ

Hi Ris , All most every one in this group is working on the noble gases in one way or another, .They have magnetized  them ionized them srunk them heated them cooled them with limited sucess .I'm going my own way but I think the noble gases were there only because they are inert .I'm chaseing papp's first engine ,the 1968  roser engine . I think the way to make the engine run is the electroliss of the deoxed water and chlorine  which will give me oxgen and hydrogen in very small amounts  from the dc voltage on the up stroke , mix that with the chlorine and if the water is more than 5 % out of balance of 2 parts hydrogen to 1 part oxgen  because it may mix with the chlorine I think when the water arc  sparks on the down stroke then it will explode . The piston as it travels will cause the water to be a foggy mist . I hope to test my engine in the next 2-3 weeks . What bare you doing ? The reasearch goes on Ed

Quote from edxhemphill on April 7th, 2013, 07:08 PM

Hi Ris , All most every one in this group is working on the noble gases in one way or another, .They have magnetized  them ionized them srunk them heated them cooled them with limited sucess .I'm going my own way but I think the noble gases were there only because they are inert .I'm chaseing papp's first engine ,the 1968  roser engine . I think the way to make the engine run is the electroliss of the deoxed water and chlorine  which will give me oxgen and hydrogen in very small amounts  from the dc voltage on the up stroke , mix that with the chlorine and if the water is more than 5 % out of balance of 2 parts hydrogen to 1 part oxgen  because it may mix with the chlorine I think when the water arc  sparks on the down stroke then it will explode . The piston as it travels will cause the water to be a foggy mist . I hope to test my engine in the next 2-3 weeks . What bare you doing ? The reasearch goes on Ed

I do not understand the chemistry so good but I see that it comes on water-deoxed water is your secondary reaction Before you start working with engine Try generate pressure  in a some thick pipe to see how much pressure can you get with certain amount of deoxed water must simulate the similar conditions in the cylinder It's easy and inexpensive.You should get 50bar minimum But it's enough for some mediocre work.cautiously with pressure,how do you think pull out the excess water.
Currently do not make anything I  dont have money--I can not afford mistakes so I threw on Learning of all.
Everything has to be checked 90%(10% for contingencies errors) then I will definitely do something.I have something but still searching these 10%  
necessarily create test I doubt the reaction under pressure,but very careful.
Essentially all of these processes are similar or the same we just have to find the right fuel (recombining fuel)
good you say for plasma whether you want stir or shaken
An old Russian proverb--Recalculate TWICE,THEN ALL that Enlarge and reinforce THREE TIMES Now you are sure.
 SUCH THING must work always and in all TERMS AND CONDITIONS.

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 7th, 2013, 05:00 PM

Quote from Ris on April 5th, 2013, 05:49 AM

THOUGHTS ON coil around the cylinder.IF THE THEORY OF ELECTRONS ACCURATE And do not see a reason why not THEN WE NEED ELECTRONIC EXHAUST
HOW I am familiar with PLASMA behavior My opinion is that plasma EXPOSED TO magnetic field BE clenched OR WILL ROTATE, BECAUSE WE HAVE A BIGGER SPACE CYLINDER PROBABLY WILL ROTATE(TESTING-PLASMA BALL TOY--YOU KNOW ON WHAT I THINK Just need to stick coil around THE BALL) THAT PLASMA ROTATION IS  ELECTRONIC EXHAUST Because plasma After ignition MUST static electricity discharged ON THE WALL  OF CYLINDER Which IS FROM ALUMINIUM, IF YOU DO NOT MAKE THAT PROBABLY WILL GET TO EXPLOSION After some time--RETENTION ELECTRONS IN GASES IS VISIBLE Increasing the volume.
IN FACT coil MAY HAVE a dual role.
IF this so WHY ELECTRICITY unnecessary spending WHEN WE CAN STORE In the gases to a certain level.
AND WARMTH BECAUSE HEAT SPREADING MATTER It is certainly advisable BECAUSE the electrons can more easily tie(electron cloud)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBjayjBBR54      IF ANYONE KNOWS HOW MUCH  ELECTRONS RELEASE  FROM SPARKS  
Nevermind In my CONCEPT Spark from lighter  WILL BE ENOUGH.

Interesting thought on the coils, some of theses thoughts have come up in the past posts. Will need to do some tests with my coils.

fYI to all:

I have been working on some stuff with the coils and testing my old circuit. Connected deffriently... Will make a video if I get to play tonight! ;) blessings!! ~Russ

that I'm talking about MAN we have a lot of weird theorys which takes us to the wrong path but if we go backward through mechanics we can not be far from the truth So if we want to to do something First we have to figure out how to restore that we wanted to do because if we do not it is purely wastage and we will never make anything and especially this machine  that requires 100% balance
I hope I was clear
That I wrote before belong to one another as gear wheel to gear wheel.
I do not teach you only suggest the illogical problems---that is my mission.

Quote from BobN on April 7th, 2013, 01:33 PM

Quote from Ris on April 7th, 2013, 04:19 AM

So where are you American such an important topic and a good theory and no one will discuss with me.I do not bite humans at least not through the computer.
GREETINGS

RIS - your thoughts come across a bit jumbled. I think there is a bit of a translation issue. Maybe try being a little more direct and shorter in your statements, it might help. Good look, at least you know several languages.

Tell me what is this supposed to mean. Good look, at least you know several languages.

Quote from Ris on April 8th, 2013, 11:31 AM

Quote from BobN on April 7th, 2013, 01:33 PM

Quote from Ris on April 7th, 2013, 04:19 AM

So where are you American such an important topic and a good theory and no one will discuss with me.I do not bite humans at least not through the computer.
GREETINGS

RIS - your thoughts come across a bit jumbled. I think there is a bit of a translation issue. Maybe try being a little more direct and shorter in your statements, it might help. Good look, at least you know several languages.

Tell me what is this supposed to mean. Good look, at least you know several languages.

Just saying that you are conversing in a language other than your native language. Many of us, myself included, do not have that ability, all I know is English. You are ahead of us in that regard.

Quote from BobN on April 8th, 2013, 12:27 PM

Quote from Ris on April 8th, 2013, 11:31 AM

Quote from BobN on April 7th, 2013, 01:33 PM

Quote from Ris on April 7th, 2013, 04:19 AM

So where are you American such an important topic and a good theory and no one will discuss with me.I do not bite humans at least not through the computer.
GREETINGS

RIS - your thoughts come across a bit jumbled. I think there is a bit of a translation issue. Maybe try being a little more direct and shorter in your statements, it might help. Good look, at least you know several languages.

Tell me what is this supposed to mean. Good look, at least you know several languages.

Just saying that you are conversing in a language other than your native language. Many of us, myself included, do not have that ability, all I know is English. You are ahead of us in that regard.

I was just discussing with my wife it is impossible to translate all ,in my language with one letter You can specify exactly flawless What I think. So that's why I'm writing like thus Some words simply cant not be found and translated(google translator have No detailed description )
google translator I use to write because do not know well write- lose some letters(aeiyj) but the speech and reading understand 80%
((If someone really wants to understand me look the mechanical sense vath I write))
GREETINGS

I think the fine powder inside Bob's popper is connductive with would be a short between the nodes . It' most likely from the electrodes .I think if you test the popper with air  the powder will build up faster than in noble gases. Maybe Russ or Bob can check this out . I would check to see if useing a higher voltage and less current would produce less powder inside the popper or vise versa .More questions  ? As for testing my Electroliss plus chlorine in a pipe or in a jar I don't think that's a good test because I think the piston action is very important to mix the water and chlorine and produce the foggy mist . I'm still planning to test it in my engine but would like to know if I can put a coating of some kind to protect the metals from corosion. I read most of Papp's book world fastest submarine (thank's Bill Peiman) and I'm left with yhe imperrsion the Papp's engine did produce a lot of heat and did need fuel , Around 3 gallions to cross the atlantic, Talk about good milage, and that if the book is true that Papp was a real genius. The research goes on Ed Hemphill

Quote from edxhemphill on April 7th, 2013, 07:08 PM

Hi Ris , All most every one in this group is working on the noble gases in one way or another, .They have magnetized  them ionized them srunk them heated them cooled them with limited sucess .I'm going my own way but I think the noble gases were there only because they are inert .I'm chaseing papp's first engine ,the 1968  roser engine . I think the way to make the engine run is the electroliss of the deoxed water and chlorine  which will give me oxgen and hydrogen in very small amounts  from the dc voltage on the up stroke , mix that with the chlorine and if the water is more than 5 % out of balance of 2 parts hydrogen to 1 part oxgen  because it may mix with the chlorine I think when the water arc  sparks on the down stroke then it will explode . The piston as it travels will cause the water to be a foggy mist . I hope to test my engine in the next 2-3 weeks . What bare you doing ? The reasearch goes on Ed

Do we have those results of the different treatments? Any hard outcomes of test done with the papp popper, engine or gases, we need to put them together and have them in a clear way to build on further. Especially when Russ starts up his engine again, he needs to know was has been done and what still has to be looked into. At least we have to stay practical to find the way home in this.

Uhh ed, why do you think i'm J.Rohner? Haven't had such a laugh in a while..;)

Quote from edxhemphill on April 9th, 2013, 07:04 AM

I think the fine powder inside Bob's popper is connductive with would be a short between the nodes . It' most likely from the electrodes .I think if you test the popper with air  the powder will build up faster than in noble gases. Maybe Russ or Bob can check this out . I would check to see if useing a higher voltage and less current would produce less powder inside the popper or vise versa .More questions  ? As for testing my Electroliss plus chlorine in a pipe or in a jar I don't think that's a good test because I think the piston action is very important to mix the water and chlorine and produce the foggy mist . I'm still planning to test it in my engine but would like to know if I can put a coating of some kind to protect the metals from corosion. I read most of Papp's book world fastest submarine (thank's Bill Peiman) and I'm left with yhe imperrsion the Papp's engine did produce a lot of heat and did need fuel , Around 3 gallions to cross the atlantic, Talk about good milage, and that if the book is true that Papp was a real genius. The research goes on Ed Hemphill

I wanted to show that with the pressure you can designate The proper amount of water and chlorine for the required reaction because water or chlorine the higher pressure less liquid evaporates that is,weaker reaction,then you increase your intake of fluids afterward-(calculation) then see how many something you need really and whether it is worth to doing I mean in this case you have pure mathematics and you can calculate the exact outcome.I'm just trying to help that you do not suffer with drafting of.
PS whether you could give me some information about this (and I'm left with yhe imperrsion the Papp's engine did produce a lot of heat and did need fuel-I can not find it on the net) My concept requires a lot of heat
greeting MAN

Few have studied Keshe a plasma generator,Assuming that works (its very simply by what he says) would not we perceive one part of the energy from the papps cylinder or from plasma ball toy(if he  in his plasma generator,in the normal movement of atoms drains energy then in our papp system it should be a lots of electric energy so  much that we do not need mechanical work)
I have a plasma ball diameter 100mm I was able to measure the electricity with a Ordinary voltmeter 200volt at a distance 220mm from center if I get closer goes over 1000volt I do not have greater measuring range.I also tried on High current bulb(fluorescent) and I have no readings
well ask yourself how it all works and  with wil gave us help in construction of papp engin.
greeting
I just look at intrvju with Mr.Mehran T Keshe,Iranians have so many wonderful technologies like in Star Trek but what humanity has of it absolutely nothing MAN ,absolutely nothing MAN So we must do something For ourselves.Why.BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WILL HELP YOU.Why BECAUSE HUMANITY Can not overcome greed ONLY RARE individuals can

Bob on the crossover energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDfEt544PZ8

element 119

I always look to see if the feedback current weakens or stops.

In this last video, the feedback current does stop when Bob runs the popper at a high manual repetition rate at the end of the video.

Quote from element 119 on April 16th, 2013, 01:59 PM

Bob on the crossover energy.

(video)

element 119

No comment..

kcd

Quote from Axil on April 16th, 2013, 03:48 PM

I always look to see if the feedback current weakens or stops.

In this last video, the feedback current does stop when Bob runs the popper at a high manual repetition rate at the end of the video.

It looks like a timing issue to me. When Bob goes automatic the firing looks out of sync with the piston movement and you start seeing some bouncing. With Proper timing added to his setup, I suspect it would work cleanly. IMHO

Whether someone can tell me exact time of ignition-papp(I know that there are three stages)ie first start whether is before TDC or after TDC.
THANKS

Quote from Ris on April 17th, 2013, 02:09 PM

Whether someone can tell me exact time of ignition-papp(I know that there are three stages)ie first start whether is before TDC or after TDC.
THANKS

It may depend on your build. If you can make it adjustable, the timings, you should be able to find out the best set of times by trial and error.

When you are using a setup with two cylinders and you want to also use the feedbackcurrent, then that can throw of / have influence on your settings.

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And with hho engine:

It also depends on the settings of your valves, Dog1 already dog into that ;)

I also think that an optical sensor (in stead of magnetic) for timereading (and getting rid of the extra spark) is better on a papp engine due to its emf from the plasma.

Hmm mixing it a bit...

To Russ,
I haven't suitable pictures to send yet.  I have obtained several more 40 volt capacitors. They total 29,400 Mfd. so with the 32,000 Mfd I can virtually double the spark discharge. I will describe my setup at present in lue of pictures.  I have a 7 inch crystal ball. It has a sealed base on it that I have inserted a tube to tie the balloon on to. I also have a standard spark plug mounted in the base.  The spark plug is not used at present ecxept as a ground for the ignighter that uses a rotatable thoriated tungsten rod.  I charge the capacitor with a silicon diode and a variac. The crystal ball is 90 % covered by reflective material (a space blanket) to keep the light in. When I get the capacitors connected together by buss bars I will take a picture of my humble setup.  It is just enough to observe the Papp effect as a reaction.

Willard

Quote from FaradayEZ on April 17th, 2013, 02:16 PM

Quote from Ris on April 17th, 2013, 02:09 PM

Whether someone can tell me exact time of ignition-papp(I know that there are three stages)ie first start whether is before TDC or after TDC.
THANKS

It may depend on your build. If you can make it adjustable, the timings, you should be able to find out the best set of times by trial and error.

When you are using a setup with two cylinders and you want to also use the feedbackcurrent, then that can throw of / have influence on your settings.

---------------------------------------------------
And with hho engine:

It also depends on the settings of your valves, Dog1 already dog into that ;)

I also think that an optical sensor (in stead of magnetic) for timereading (and getting rid of the extra spark) is better on a papp engine due to its emf from the plasma.

Hmm mixing it a bit...

not what I meant somewhere in the patent must be indicated When exactly,(I do not get your patents)Why is this important because if the ignition before TDC it was a classic engin in which I doubt very much,but if the ignition is after TDC then it is a vacuum engin which explains---constant force through various RPM,A small amount of gas,low electric power consumption,large electrode gap,Plasma is used to reset vacuum
Do you get the point not important hopping--suction There is power,no one can deceive Mechanics
So what do you think.

Quote from Ris on April 18th, 2013, 08:35 AM

Quote from FaradayEZ on April 17th, 2013, 02:16 PM

Quote from Ris on April 17th, 2013, 02:09 PM

Whether someone can tell me exact time of ignition-papp(I know that there are three stages)ie first start whether is before TDC or after TDC.
THANKS

It may depend on your build. If you can make it adjustable, the timings, you should be able to find out the best set of times by trial and error.

When you are using a setup with two cylinders and you want to also use the feedbackcurrent, then that can throw of / have influence on your settings.

---------------------------------------------------
And with hho engine:

It also depends on the settings of your valves, Dog1 already dog into that ;)

I also think that an optical sensor (in stead of magnetic) for timereading (and getting rid of the extra spark) is better on a papp engine due to its emf from the plasma.

Hmm mixing it a bit...

not what I meant somewhere in the patent must be indicated When exactly,(I do not get your patents)Why is this important because if the ignition before TDC it was a classic engin in which I doubt very much,but if the ignition is after TDC then it is a vacuum engin which explains---constant force through various RPM,A small amount of gas,low electric power consumption,large electrode gap,Plasma is used to reset vacuum
Do you get the point not important hopping--suction There is power,no one can deceive Mechanics
So what do you think.

After TDC

Quote from Ris on April 19th, 2013, 09:41 AM

My chronicle of events:
my car consumes 330000 kj-100km,one kilogram of water contains  13000kj so we need 25 liters per 100km-h for disassemble water we need 91kw altrnator(100% farad efficiency)---if Majer managed to make efficiency 900% we still need 10kw(I never saw that he used so much power)It tells us that the system must be recombining--Just pure hydrogen can be reused as plasma but plasma can not produce so much energy  plasma requires more energy than getting gas, in both cases Majer,Papp missing energy tanks or they could be Majer-water-,Papp-bucket-emf
A machineS like this must have energy storage that they would be able to work, it is the principle of work.
This is the principle of what I came up with my model long before than I found Majer and Papp work.
SO WHAT DO YOU SAY- IS THERE ANY INTERESTED TO BUILD MY MODEL

Maybe you should start a new thread for this new model engine, so things won't mix up and get confused.

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 7th, 2013, 05:00 PM

fYI to all:

I have been working on some stuff with the coils and testing my old circuit. Connected deffriently... Will make a video if I get to play tonight! ;) blessings!! ~Russ

By saying you are using your old circuit but wired differently, do you mean your original circuit using only the two electrodes for the DC and HV?

Or still using the 4 electrode setup?

element 119

Quote from FaradayEZ on April 19th, 2013, 02:36 PM

Quote from Ris on April 19th, 2013, 09:41 AM

My chronicle of events:
my car consumes 330000 kj-100km,one kilogram of water contains  13000kj so we need 25 liters per 100km-h for disassemble water we need 91kw altrnator(100% farad efficiency)---if Majer managed to make efficiency 900% we still need 10kw(I never saw that he used so much power)It tells us that the system must be recombining--Just pure hydrogen can be reused as plasma but plasma can not produce so much energy  plasma requires more energy than getting gas, in both cases Majer,Papp missing energy tanks or they could be Majer-water-,Papp-bucket-emf
A machineS like this must have energy storage that they would be able to work, it is the principle of work.
This is the principle of what I came up with my model long before than I found Majer and Papp work.
SO WHAT DO YOU SAY- IS THERE ANY INTERESTED TO BUILD MY MODEL

Maybe you should start a new thread for this new model engine, so things won't mix up and get confused.

That is why  I'm here It is very similar to Papp  should work(This delay is killing me)
GREETINGS

Quote from Ris on April 20th, 2013, 01:19 AM

Quote from FaradayEZ on April 19th, 2013, 02:36 PM

Quote from Ris on April 19th, 2013, 09:41 AM

My chronicle of events:
my car consumes 330000 kj-100km,one kilogram of water contains  13000kj so we need 25 liters per 100km-h for disassemble water we need 91kw altrnator(100% farad efficiency)---if Majer managed to make efficiency 900% we still need 10kw(I never saw that he used so much power)It tells us that the system must be recombining--Just pure hydrogen can be reused as plasma but plasma can not produce so much energy  plasma requires more energy than getting gas, in both cases Majer,Papp missing energy tanks or they could be Majer-water-,Papp-bucket-emf
A machineS like this must have energy storage that they would be able to work, it is the principle of work.
This is the principle of what I came up with my model long before than I found Majer and Papp work.
SO WHAT DO YOU SAY- IS THERE ANY INTERESTED TO BUILD MY MODEL

Maybe you should start a new thread for this new model engine, so things won't mix up and get confused.

That is why  I'm here It is very similar to Papp but much simpler and I have a  real mathematical evidence that should work(This delay is killing me)
GREETINGS

Put it in "open projects", start a thread and explain the engine as far as you are with it now. Don't mess up the thread here, let others help you with your idea and project there, here it can't really grow. Here you can tell its like papp , but here is no room to develop it really. Here we use the popper russ made, (because he started this thread) to work on the papp secrets.

If you don't know how, i'll open a thread for ye