http://imgur.com/a/4RQ2k[/u][/quote]Ed,
Did the popper produce movement?  Looks like you put in a lot of work.

Tim

Hi slickhanz , Because of the timing problem I never even tryed to make the popper work and went straight to the engine which has never fired at all But like I said I've only tryed two gases so far . I had drink John Rohner's cool aid and now I'm expecting others to light the way as maybe Russ and or maybe G and G engineering etc. Right now I'm working on a Mult . stage de palama genator in hopes of getting more voltage and current with less wattage in as in over unity I hope.The research goes on Ed xHemphill

Quote from edxhemphill on February 24th, 2013, 05:19 PM

Right now I'm working on a Mult . stage de palama genator in hopes of getting more voltage and current with less wattage in as in over unity I hope.The research goes on

Let us know how that works.  I bought some very expensive and powerful neo disc magnets and built an N-Machine with them.  Never saw anything close as to what was claimed.  Maybe you can find that "trick" I missed.  The more eyes the better.

Quote from Dog-One on February 24th, 2013, 05:22 PM

Quote from edxhemphill on February 24th, 2013, 05:19 PM

Right now I'm working on a Mult . stage de palama genator in hopes of getting more voltage and current with less wattage in as in over unity I hope.The research goes on

Let us know how that works.  I bought some very expensive and powerful neo disc magnets and built an N-Machine with them.  Never saw anything close as to what was claimed.  Maybe you can find that "trick" I missed.  The more eyes the better.

Already only for statistics purposes we should open an failed / scrapheap thread where to put all the examples of former projects gone astray for any reason.

Then all that energy waisted can have a good purpose. And its open source here so lets open up those former projects also. Its good learning and also could bring good conversation.

I am prepairing to do a Pap build. I am a bit of a mathamatitian. I connote help but notice the difference between your (Russ's) nobel gas results and Robert Rohners results with identical Setups. Roberts capacitor voltage after firing is about 64 volts.
He gets far more movement and against a 300Lb load. There must be some pre-conditioning of the nobel gasses to get this result. You cannot drop to 64 volts across a 1 Cm gap at atmosperic pressure unles there is some metalic dust mixed in and floating in the gasses. What are your thoughts on this?


Willard
 

Quote from Willard Elliott on February 26th, 2013, 07:11 AM

I am prepairing to do a Pap build. I am a bit of a mathamatitian. I connote help but notice the difference between your (Russ's) nobel gas results and Robert Rohners results with identical Setups. Roberts capacitor voltage after firing is about 64 volts.
He gets far more movement and against a 300Lb load. There must be some pre-conditioning of the nobel gasses to get this result. You cannot drop to 64 volts across a 1 Cm gap at atmosperic pressure unles there is some metalic dust mixed in and floating in the gasses. What are your thoughts on this?


Willard

I recommend doing some experimenting with the gap distance.

I can charge a cap to 150 volts then discharge down to about 30 volts or increase the gap a little and it will discharge down to 45 volts.

In my opinion them charging to 500 volts and discharging down to say 150 or 64 volts has to do with gap distance.

I sure other factors will effect this like air or gas mix and maybe HV strength also Bob has the buckets.

element 119

(Can someone please take the time and transcribe this video.)*** Allready done: http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=659&pid=13527#pid13527  (thanks element19!!)  There's some very important information Bob is letting us see that papp Himself is telling us voltages and currents and other type of information that's going to be extremely valuable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA1awu-4vNQ

 Bob has also posted three other videos I'm on my cell phone so I do not have time to link to them!! There on his channel

Thanks, ~Russ

Saved for posterity.
Apparently the pick up coils doesn't pick up all that much electric effect at the lower R.P.M's, which possibly
indicates that (quite) something else occurs at higher speeds............?
jm2c.
Good to see & hear Papp himself though Btw, I saw a whole series of these clips, if anyone is interested in downloading these for themselves, or just about any
other YT video, in that case I can recommend the free basic Youtube video downloader from http://Http://www.youtubedownloadersite.com/
You may have to update it manually every once in a while as YT changes scripts at times (), which then of course
renders the program useless.

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 27th, 2013, 05:52 AM

Can someone please take the time and transcribe this video. There's some very important information Bob is letting us see that papp Himself is telling us voltages and currents and other type of information that's going to be extremely valuable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA1awu-4vNQ

 Bob has also posted three other videos I'm on my cell phone so I do not have time to link to them!! There on his channel

Thanks, ~Russ

This is my take on it but some I couldn’t understand.

Guy : What is the speed you are running at now?
Papp : 1200
Guy : Your running at 1200 now how low is the lowest?
Papp : 500

Papp : 1200
Guy : Ok 1200 and 560 on the low speed setting.

Papp : the engine is running about 1 and half  (hour ?)

Guy : It’s making about the same noise as a compressor.

Guy : So your idling now?
Papp : yes.

Engine is turned off

Guy : This is a close up the engine, the driveshaft, and the control center.
Papp : This is the brain the computer section, the generator and battery that’s the input power for generating the magnetic field around the pistons (excited together ?)  (that’s each side 12-volt battery ?)

Guy : And once it’s running can the batteries be disconnected?
Papp : Yes it could be we proved but it’s dangerous and I’m not going to do that hocus pocus any more it’s no use (more ?)

Guy : But the batteries are not part of the system?
Papp : Yes but it is when low RPM the generator don’t be picking up the current we need the batteries. From the bottom to the top we have the coils so we need this electric current to keep that coil on this current, that is why we have this battery and generator. So naturally I have to put something into it if I want to get energy out of it, this is what I put into it.

Guy : About how much current is going through those (resistors?)
Papp : It varies it 350 volts from 100 to 300 it depends on the RPM

Guy : How much resistance do you have there approximately?
Papp : Well I don’t like to talk about this (laughing)

Papp : That’s covered in the patent.  

Papp : 12 volts also 24 volts, that’s the generator right there.


element 119

Quote from element 119 on February 27th, 2013, 10:21 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 27th, 2013, 05:52 AM

Can someone please take the time and transcribe this video. There's some very important information Bob is letting us see that papp Himself is telling us voltages and currents and other type of information that's going to be extremely valuable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA1awu-4vNQ

 Bob has also posted three other videos I'm on my cell phone so I do not have time to link to them!! There on his channel

Thanks, ~Russ

This is my take on it but some I couldn’t understand.

Guy : What is the speed you are running at now?
Papp : 1200
Guy : Your running at 1200 now how low is the lowest?
Papp : 500

Papp : 1200
Guy : Ok 1200 and 560 on the low speed setting.

Papp : the engine is running about 1 and half  (hour ?)

Guy : It’s making about the same noise as a compressor.

Guy : So your idling now?
Papp : yes.

Engine is turned off

Guy : This is a close up the engine, the driveshaft, and the control center.
Papp : This is the brain the computer section, the generator and battery that’s the input power for generating the magnetic field around the pistons (excited together ?)  (that’s each side 12-volt battery ?)

Guy : And once it’s running can the batteries be disconnected?
Papp : Yes it could be we proved but it’s dangerous and I’m not going to do that hocus pocus any more it’s no use (more ?)

Guy : But the batteries are not part of the system?
Papp : Yes but it is when low RPM the generator don’t be picking up the current we need the batteries. From the bottom to the top we have the coils so we need this electric current to keep that coil on this current, that is why we have this battery and generator. So naturally I have to put something into it if I want to get energy out of it, this is what I put into it.

Guy : About how much current is going through those relay switches?
Papp : It varies it 350 volts from 100 to 300 it depends on the RPM

Guy : How much resistance do you have there approximately?
Papp : Well I don’t like to talk about this (laughing)

Papp : That’s covered in the patent.  

Papp : 12 volts also 24 volts, that’s the generator right there.


element 119

Your be best element!! Thanks for taking the time!!! I'm editing the last post and linking this one.

~Russ

Thanks Russ!

I would like to revise this part.

“Guy : About how much current is going through those relay switches?
Papp : It varies it 350 volts from 100 to 300 it depends on the RPM “


I now think the Guy is saying.

Guy : About how much current is going through those (resistors?)
Papp : It varies it 350 volts from 100 to 300 it depends on the RPM

Sorry for the confusion. :blush:

It would be nice for someone to recheck and correct with their understanding of what is said.

element 119

Quote from element 119 on February 27th, 2013, 03:14 PM

Thanks Russ!

I would like to revise this part.

“Guy : About how much current is going through those relay switches?
Papp : It varies it 350 volts from 100 to 300 it depends on the RPM “


I now think the Guy is saying.

Guy : About how much current is going through those (resistors?)
Papp : It varies it 350 volts from 100 to 300 it depends on the RPM

Sorry for the confusion. :blush:

It would be nice for someone to recheck and correct with their understanding of what is said.

element 119

ok I updated your past post.

again thanks for doing this. i think it will help us get some more clues... :)

~Russ

Quote from Willard Elliott on February 26th, 2013, 07:11 AM

I am prepairing to do a Pap build. I am a bit of a mathamatitian. I connote help but notice the difference between your (Russ's) nobel gas results and Robert Rohners results with identical Setups. Roberts capacitor voltage after firing is about 64 volts.
He gets far more movement and against a 300Lb load. There must be some pre-conditioning of the nobel gasses to get this result. You cannot drop to 64 volts across a 1 Cm gap at atmosperic pressure unles there is some metalic dust mixed in and floating in the gasses. What are your thoughts on this?


Willard

yes, this is where pree-Ionization comes in to play...

we can use lower voltages and gain better efficiency from the use of pree-ionization.

bob is using the buckets. This is why i can not get the same results as Bob.

more testing is needed...

we may be able to use other sources of pree-ionization.

~Russ

I found a 'new' old video.  Do NOT watch if if you still want to make the Papp engine run on unprocessed, monatomic gas mixture - it might ruin your day! :D:P:)

In particular, look at 14.5 minutes in....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEb2xMBRiHo

kcd

Quote from k c dias on February 28th, 2013, 01:04 PM

I found a 'new' old video.  Do NOT watch if if you still want to make the Papp engine run on unprocessed, monatomic gas mixture - it might ruin your day! :D:P:)

In particular, look at 14.5 minutes in....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEb2xMBRiHo

kcd

Check out

http://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/particle-physics-basics/virtual-particles-what-are-they/

a snap shot of the inside of the piston/ chamber from one of papps motors. shot from  Bobs new videos...

[attachment=3413]

after we figured out that the spark " draws" off the center this photo tells alot more of the story...  the center electrode is a lot bigger that i would have thought...

that's a nice looking 1/2  toroid.

strange that the heads were not like this tho. there more like  half sphere?

~Russ

Found this in the depths of my hard drive, Im not really into the Papp engine but hope its useful to someone :huh:
Donny

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Quote from ddrum on March 6th, 2013, 01:25 PM

Found this in the depths of my hard drive, Im not really into the Papp engine but hope its useful to someone :huh:
Donny

thanks for the post, you never know what little jems are berried on peoples HD's :)

FYI

that came from here:

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/

there may be updated files there too.
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/App4/APP4.html#LinkTarget_3118

it looks like mostly patents and stuff gathered from the net.

Thanks!

~Russ

From a post by Terry Blanton as follows:

to vortex

"As of 10 AM March 5th, 2013 Inteligentry, LTD is closed until further
 notice. At this time 12 or 14 FBI agents entered our building with
 Guns drawn and at gun point herded us into the front room and sat us
 down. Then they explained they were not there to arrest anyone but to
 serve, and service, a "Search Warrant" And Confiscate documents and
 materials so they could look at them for any "illegal" acts, ie. a
 "Fishing" trip, for something to charge us with."
 
http://www.inteligentry.com/report.html

All the more reason to get on your feet and make this thing work guys.  OpenSource, all the way.

Quote from Dog-One on March 7th, 2013, 12:58 PM

All the more reason to get on your feet and make this thing work guys.  OpenSource, all the way.

Unfortunately very true.
TPTB are indeed very protective of their fortunes, maybe the time for real change
is now, something that which will change the World as we know it?

From: http://www.inteligentry.com/report.html:  

" What this means is that even though we were ready to show the stockholders our REAL Product operational as a GENSET actually powering our shop, so they could be proud that we were finally, after nearly 2 years, getting the product out and changing the world. "

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Awwww, and so DrDr was just ready to show it working and powering his whole shop......

He did! , he had a real working engine now, he tells us, promise..for real this time..aww what a shame...

Darn, bleimy,  so its sure not his fault, he produced the real thing...it just got caught by the iluminati or feds.

Such a good man our Johny
....................

So John now knows how to get his engine working...that's what he says, he got one working to power his shop.

So he should be able to put one (really working one) together in no time...if his own story is true..sadly it isn't again.

He is not a pure conman, he wants to get it working, and we all know the papp engine has worked and are trying to restore the workings.

But he lied to have a working engine, to get bigger fundings without really knowing the secrets of papp

Im sure they had it coming, they tried to go big and not open source. Greed for money and power was their demise. Must say that John must have manifested that raid with all the people he was pissing off and that he seems to have such a negative attitude. To each there own life lessons...

http://peswiki.com/index.php/News:Blog:Inteligentry_Raided_by_FBI

Quote from Lynx on March 7th, 2013, 01:12 PM

Quote from Dog-One on March 7th, 2013, 12:58 PM

All the more reason to get on your feet and make this thing work guys.  OpenSource, all the way.

Unfortunately very true.
TPTB are indeed very protective of their fortunes, maybe the time for real change
is now, something that which will change the World as we know it?

One might hope against all hope for the arrest scene of Tucker:  The Man and His Dream but I strongly suspect: not this time...

interesting... i'm having the feeling after reading all what was posted on the "hot seat" this almost seems like a fake raid to get out of trouble...

http://www.inteligentry.com/report.html

Quote

They departed with all existing engines, luckily I had partly disassembled the one I used for the weekend tests. So they got NO completed engines but they took all engines that were either almost ready or partially assembled.

as if they cant reassemble it?

interesting story. oh well lets not stir up the hype but rather let it pan out as it is... time will tell the story.

~Russ