"Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"

~Russ

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #926, on December 8th, 2016, 10:28 AM »
Quote from Matt Watts on December 8th, 2016, 10:13 AM
I think you got it Russ and it makes me wonder about center-tapping the primary and intentionally driving it with a asymmetric push/pull driver.  If this flux walking effect is something we actually want, then using a push/pull would be the more precise/controllable way to achieve it.  I'm just not sure if Stan wanted this effect intentionally or if he instead discovered it and applied an approach (core gap) to compensate for it.
you keep veering off to " well we can do that easier"

i got to ( slap you with a fish here)

lets always try to NOT think how to do it eazer. instead try to understand why it work in stan's VIC.

now for testing ideas out yea... ok, sure do it a another way,

but we have to remember that we are here to try to find out why Stan's VIC worked.

after all the thread is called "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"

so again, if its what we want ( and i think it i) then lets try to understand why it works with Stan's VIC,

this is obviously a revision after revision. and what we end up is a coil set on some crazy cores that we dont understand, thats due to the 10-20 things that need to be right for Each part to work with the together. hence why we dont understand it. Stan had to go through this one step at a time, and so do we. if you asked me how the Curta calculator worked... i would not even know where to start, but break it down in to all the parts and now you will get some where. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curta

so if we think back " how can this be done eazer, we need to go back to Stan's Docs and think that. if we can do that i think we will get there.

oh yeah and that was a dead fish...

~Russ

hehe

Matt Watts

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #927, on December 8th, 2016, 10:42 AM »
Quote from ~Russ on December 8th, 2016, 10:28 AM
ok, sure do it a another way,
That's what I'm getting at.   What is "it"  ?

Seems to me, nobody knows, not even Stan's twin brother.  Or if anyone does know, they aren't able to communicate "it".

So when faced with this situation, the only remedy is to find out what "it" cannot be.  And that takes thinking outside the box--trying other possibilities or at least discussing them.

I'm not trying to derail anything here, but short of everyone having identical hardware on their bench as Ronnie has (something Gunther has stressed several times), what's our next step?

Yes or no question...

Does Stan's VIC intentionally require controlled flux walking?

Any takers?

Webmug

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #928, on December 8th, 2016, 10:43 AM »

I really don't understand why you guys are inventing new theories, all you have to do is ask how Ronnie got it to work?

I'm starting to doubt that he has a working setup...if he has one all you need to do is rebuild and analyze it and ask how that VIC and WFC was build. I read Ronnie has not much time to spend on this forum, but after all those years I was hoping Ronnie or someone else had assembled a "how-to" pdf and share his results, if this is so "important" why isn't there a document so everyone can share his or her thoughts.

Correct me if I'm wrong, until now I didn't see any specs, data or techniques how he build that working setup, no wonder why only a handful of people are looking into this and finally start building. If we want this to happen we need to do this another way.

I know there are a few members with a 6 cell array and build a split VIC transformer, why can't they make it work if Ronnie used the same setup? Why do they not "mangle" into this thread and share there results?

~webmug


~Russ

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #930, on December 8th, 2016, 11:02 AM »
Quote from Webmug on December 8th, 2016, 10:43 AM
I really don't understand why you guys are inventing new theories, all you have to do is ask how Ronnie got it to work?

I'm starting to doubt that he has a working setup...if he has one all you need to do is rebuild and analyze it and ask how that VIC and WFC was build. I read Ronnie has not much time to spend on this forum, but after all those years I was hoping Ronnie or someone else had assembled a "how-to" pdf and share his results, if this is so "important" why isn't there a document so everyone can share his or her thoughts.
dont for get that Ronnie is currently in a place where he cant even get to his stuff ( you can ask him more in a PM, its not my place to share any more)
but for Ronnie its not as easy as we hope, he is going all by memory at the moment.
Quote from Webmug on December 8th, 2016, 10:43 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, until now I didn't see any specs, data or techniques how he build that working setup, no wonder why only a handful of people are looking into this and finally start building. If we want this to happen we need to do this another way.

I know there are a few members with a 6 cell array and build a split VIC transformer, why can't they make it work if Ronnie used the same setup? Why do they not "mangle" into this thread and share there results?

~webmug"
This is my goal, currently i want to understand as much as i can before i start or ill end up where i allays do... frustrated.

so I'm changing my way of doing things. understand as much as i can first, then test,

you of all people i know has done so so so much work on this, i look up to you on your efforts, and its you also who are in this "group" who will make it work,

stay positive, keep thinking and sharing what you have learned.
~Russ


adys15

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #931, on December 8th, 2016, 12:11 PM »
Webmug,i have a 6 cell setup and a split vic (same wire,same tubes same dimensions he is using)and my results after days of testing is that the voltage drops to nothing no mater how much you tune the cores and frequency.

gpssonar

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #932, on December 8th, 2016, 12:15 PM »Last edited on December 8th, 2016, 03:50 PM
Quote from Webmug on December 8th, 2016, 10:43 AM
I really don't understand why you guys are inventing new theories, all you have to do is ask how Ronnie got it to work?

I'm starting to doubt that he has a working setup...if he has one all you need to do is rebuild and analyze it and ask how that VIC and WFC was build. I read Ronnie has not much time to spend on this forum, but after all those years I was hoping Ronnie or someone else had assembled a "how-to" pdf and share his results, if this is so "important" why isn't there a document so everyone can share his or her thoughts.

Correct me if I'm wrong, until now I didn't see any specs, data or techniques how he build that working setup, no wonder why only a handful of people are looking into this and finally start building. If we want this to happen we need to do this another way.

I know there are a few members with a 6 cell array and build a split VIC transformer, why can't they make it work if Ronnie used the same setup? Why do they not "mangle" into this thread and share there results?

~webmug
Man how do I answer this post!!!!
I guess take one comment at a time.
I have told how I got it to work, and people are asking questions also, I am answering them the best I can right now with what little time I have this month.
First thing you need to know, but really I shouldn't have to make any of this public, I'm having an operation on my neck tomorrow morning at 9:am.
Second thing you need to know is I have Court the 19th of December due to going through a divorce.
And third Christmas is here and I have grand kids.
So if you want my opinion Webmug, I have other things on my plate right now that is a hell of a lot more important than this crap or this thread.
As far as me having a working cell, You have the right to think what you want, Either way it doesn't matter to me what anyone believes.
I'll say the same thing i said over at InoizationX forum to a member over there, every time that someone say's I don't have a working cell, it just makes me go turn it on and see if it still works, who knows they may be right, but so far it hasn't let me down yet. (I'm sure you already seen that post over there).
Let's not forget, people thinks Stan Meyers was a fraud and con too. It's my pleasure to be called one also.
As far as a Pdf. to how all this works, who's to say there isn't one or one started. I may still be working on it.
As far as people looking into this thread, This is not a popularity thread and I'm glad it's not. Because the more people that comes here the more clutter it will get just like my other thread.
Now for the other people that has a 6 cell unit and not commenting in this thread.
I would assume your talking about Adam, Ris, Neal, and Dom.
They can answer any questions you or anyone wants to ask of them either here or in private.
If you think this is easy to teach how it all works, just wait until you get it working and you will see just how hard it is to teach other people that is not by your side. All it takes is one screw up and it will never work, no matter how much you try to express this to people.
I tried to walk people through this but everyone is at different stages and has different views.
I'll just be honest with everyone, I think if I could help someone with no knowledge at all about Stan Meyers or electronics or science. I'd have a better chance at helping someone get a cell that works.
Anyway just had to vent a little.


gpssonar

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #934, on December 8th, 2016, 01:13 PM »
Thanks Russ, I have to take care of some things right now. Anyone that don't understand my position right now I will be glad to let them fill my shoes and pretend to be me the next couple of weeks.


gpssonar

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #936, on December 8th, 2016, 04:42 PM »Last edited on December 8th, 2016, 04:44 PM
Thanks Brad, I just hope it helps relieves some pain and pressure. Was suppose to have a knee operation too but I had it put off until after the holidays.


Matt Watts

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #938, on December 9th, 2016, 02:11 AM »Last edited on December 9th, 2016, 02:53 AM
Quote from ~Russ on December 8th, 2016, 11:13 PM
"how can we measure flux walking"
For the cores we are using and needing a gap anyway, I think this may be the best method with the proper sensor.  The main "gotcha" with this is if the gap needs to be smaller than the thickness of the hall sensor.

The "magnetic ear" method may still work, but will be difficult to attach and calibrate to get any useful data.


gpssonar

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #939, on December 9th, 2016, 03:42 AM »Last edited on December 9th, 2016, 04:09 AM
I haven't read up on the Flux Walking that you guy's are talking about. The best tool I used to tune the VIC was a compass, placing a compass close to the core will show the swing . The compass will go sway back and forth as you tune North to South, and at or close to reasonance the compass will stop swaying back and forth and start to go around and around at a fast speed.
If anyone want's to win the pulse motor build off next time, Place a 12 or 24volt whisper fan in series of the L1 choke and the fuel cell. It will do the same thing as the compass, it will start to sway back and forth as you tune. Then at close to resonance it will take off and start running, depending on how you tune it, it may run either direction.

Matt Watts

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #940, on December 9th, 2016, 04:06 AM »
That's pretty interesting Ronnie.  I've seen the same thing in a Vasmus (Russian guy) video with one of his devices.  A compass apparently tells a lot more than one would think.

Good luck on neck retuning today.  Hope all goes well.

Man, getting old sucks.

gpssonar

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #941, on December 9th, 2016, 04:08 AM »Last edited on December 9th, 2016, 04:33 AM
Two hours to go, and I'll be under the knife, having a tumor removed. I wish it was just a retuning.





vortex

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #946, on December 9th, 2016, 01:03 PM »
Ronnie, i wish you all the best!! Hope you will have a speedy recovery. The sun will alway's come's up agian, stay positive that will help.

greetings
Vortex

~Russ

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #947, on December 21st, 2016, 01:07 PM »Last edited on December 21st, 2016, 01:36 PM
moving all the / some of the Driver circuit stuff over to a new thread. we will leave this thread open for more direst things that Ronnie wants to share with us. also for new thoughts and understandings on Ronnie's understating .

New thread for building and understanding the Driver / Vic card.:

http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2820

please keep driver topics there so we can finish testing the PLL and start making a "tuning" card

~Russ

~Russ

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #948, on December 21st, 2016, 03:54 PM »
Ronnie,

I did some math on the AL value of stan's cores.

i come up with about  110-130 AL

im quite sure at some point in time you mentioned 70 for the AL value,

can you go in to a little bit of what we need to think about when looking at the AL value?

the AL value of the cores we ordered way back when look to be about  170-200

Thanks,
~Russ