I always wonder why people are obsessed so much to destroy the source of knowledge.
This thread belongs to Ronnie, He wants to share his knowledge. A man with very little time to invest in his hobby.
Please let him talk. he has so much to say. The way he posts and moves forward will need lots of time.
I have spent years and know quite a few who has spent even more.
We know we could list ridiculous amount of theories to Stan's works.

There is absolutely no disrespect to your knowledge, everyone here knows how valuable your knowledge and opinion is.
Please don't throw your knowledge here and there and make it into a muddy pool. Preserve it, give a clean picture in a separate thread.

Let's leave this thread to Ronnie and the one's who had the luxury to talk to him directly.
We could start few more threads

1. Trying to understand Stan through Ronnie's explanation (A thread to discuss among ourselves)
2. Questions to Ronnie and his Answers (A single post thread edited only by Ronnie and moderators)
3. Ronnie's follower's workbench (A thread seeking Ronnie's feedback on members problems in their setup)
4. All that Ronnie says is nonsense.

The viewership will make sure what's important to those silent listeners.
I insist there are quite a lot of them waiting only for Ronnie's posts.
We still haven't let Ronnie answer few of Russ's list of questions.(Please Russ create that thread number 2)

I for one is so much interested to know the role of feedback coil, why its bridging the gap, why is there a center tapped 5 volt in it.

There are lot more questions, which needs answers.

Please, please let's get organized in receiving the knowledge. The whole post is meant to not distract Ronnie. Let him have a flow.

coming back to senses, who the hell gave me the rights to write a post like this ROFL

Quote from realtry on November 30th, 2016, 05:53 AM

This thread belongs to Ronnie, He wants to share his knowledge. A man with very little time to invest in his hobby.
Please let him talk. he has so much to say. The way he posts and moves forward will need lots of time.

This.
Times 1000000.

1) Why didn't Stan use three identical self-inductance coils S, L1, L2 on the "secondary" side of the VIC?

2) Why does the S coil have the smallest self-inductance?

3) Why does the L1 coil have the largest self-inductance?

Since the "secondary" side is one coil split on three. S, L1, L2.

How to choose the S self-inductance (or number of turns) of the coil...since they are all series connected...

Perhaps you were cheezed with my torid coil question. I was just asking if in essence was that what your chokes were. If so i was going to take some apart to see how they were made so as to better understand what you are trying to explain. When you said 180 that was what i remembered they do.  If i put anyone in a foul mood it was not my intention. I am not trying to change stans system. Just trying to catch up. Filter out what is said.  Not trying to hyjack anything. I will try to think twice my wording next time so as not to hinder or discourage.

My apologies if i offend.

It wasn't you at all Mercury101, It was the coating of the tubes post. Then the post revrandkilljoy posted backing him up saying he get's it, and bashing HMS-776. There is no reason to coat the tubes if you let the chokes do what they do best. We all know it's all about voltage and charge and not amps. Hell we all been around long enough to know this, Stan has preached it over and over to us. So tell me what did Optimus and Revrandkilljoy bring to the table that we already didn't know?
I have seen HHS-776 work in private, and I can tell revrandkilljoy that he gets it. He is one of very very few that gets it.

Quote from gpssonar on November 30th, 2016, 08:58 AM

It wasn't you at all Mercury101, It was the coating of the tubes post. There is no reason to coat the tubes if you let the chokes do what they do best.

~Optimus~ is new here, for give him,

Optimus, dont take this response personall, we are trying to let this thread be strictly for Ronnie's understanding.

keep posting in your other thread these questions. we relise that you dont have as much back ground as some of us here ( were we already went through a lot of what your asking, search the forums for those questions a lot of them are already answered)

Ronnie, please dont forget that there will be ALOT of people who haven't done the same home work as you and i and Manny others here.
Just remind those people in that time when it happens...

and No, No ,No ,NO ,NO you are NOT wasting your time. you just doing what you can and ALL of us want you to keep moving forward.

you will repeat your self many times as a teacher until we understand, you can get frustrated with your self when we are the ones who cant understand :)  thats what teachers do :)

~Russ

Come on, boys he is new here

Quote from realtry on November 30th, 2016, 05:53 AM

I always wonder why people are obsessed so much to destroy the source of knowledge.
This thread belongs to Ronnie, He wants to share his knowledge. A man with very little time to invest in his hobby.
Please let him talk. he has so much to say. The way he posts and moves forward will need lots of time.
I have spent years and know quite a few who has spent even more.
We know we could list ridiculous amount of theories to Stan's works.

There is absolutely no disrespect to your knowledge, everyone here knows how valuable your knowledge and opinion is.
Please don't throw your knowledge here and there and make it into a muddy pool. Preserve it, give a clean picture in a separate thread.

Let's leave this thread to Ronnie and the one's who had the luxury to talk to him directly.
We could start few more threads

1. Trying to understand Stan through Ronnie's explanation (A thread to discuss among ourselves)
2. Questions to Ronnie and his Answers (A single post thread edited only by Ronnie and moderators)
3. Ronnie's follower's workbench (A thread seeking Ronnie's feedback on members problems in their setup)
4. All that Ronnie says is nonsense.

The viewership will make sure what's important to those silent listeners.
I insist there are quite a lot of them waiting only for Ronnie's posts.
We still haven't let Ronnie answer few of Russ's list of questions.(Please Russ create that thread number 2)

I for one is so much interested to know the role of feedback coil, why its bridging the gap, why is there a center tapped 5 volt in it.

There are lot more questions, which needs answers.

Please, please let's get organized in receiving the knowledge. The whole post is meant to not distract Ronnie. Let him have a flow.

coming back to senses, who the hell gave me the rights to write a post like this ROFL

Dead Nutz On Man!

ill post more questions as i did in the past here shortly.

and when i'm happy with my understanding  i will post it all at once again to have it re checked.

~Russ

My apology to Optimus, Some of these new people that comes in I never know who they are. And when someone like reverandkilljoy (Hunter) well know as Max's Buddy makes a post right after him, It makes me wonder who they are, and if they are here to sidetrack things. So again my apology to Optimus.

How to answer all the hundred question that needs to be answered? All the answers that your asking for is in this document.

And as a PDF.

If people can't wrap their head around Coulombs Law, they just as well lay the Vic & Cells down and let them collect dust. It answers all the question needed to build the VIC and the Cell to do what it's suppose to do. (Break the Covalent Bond & Strip Electrons) You even have to know this to build the VIC & Gas Processor as well. (To strip the electrons from the oxygen atom). I tried to walk everyone through Stan's Vic to get to this point so people would understand the working parts of the VIC. Maybe it's best if people starts at the water molecule and work backwards on this using Coulombs Law. It should answer all the unanswered question for everyone about the Cell and Vic.

Here is a Coulomb's Law Calculator.....
Shows the force in newton's... Don't know what it means.
http://www.endmemo.com/physics/coulomb.php

Quote from gpssonar on November 30th, 2016, 03:35 PM

If people can't wrap their head around Coulombs Law, they just as well lay the Vic & Cells down and let them collect dust. It answers all the question needed to build the VIC and the Cell to do what it's suppose to do. (Break the Covalent Bond & Strip Electrons) You even have to know this to build the VIC & Gas Processor as well. (To strip the electrons from the oxygen atom). I tried to walk everyone through Stan's Vic to get to this point so people would understand the working parts of the VIC. Maybe it's best if people starts at the water molecule and work backwards on this using Coulombs Law. It should answer all the unanswered question for everyone about the Cell and Vic.

I thought you need to add the D dielectric constant of the water in the formula.
F = (k . q₁ . q₂) / D . r²

~webmug

Since we're focused on charge, this video is a good example of how to think through it old school:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUOIOLSIfMA

The conclusion of which should indicate that we must hit the proper balance of charge--these are not real values; instead, they are integers.  Can anyone say "step charge" ?

I got it!   Hydrogen Clackers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IppP5TBw8q8

 :-D

you mean this one?

Theta...

Good video Matt. and the hydrogen crackers also. LOL

As we charge our tube sets beginning at 2 volts at the primary and increasing in equal increments of 2 volts (to max 12 volts), we should be able to record corresponding equal incremental voltage increases (stepped up voltage according to the windings in the VIC) in the charge at the fuel cell.

Once the cell is fully charged: 1. it should remain charged like a capacitor even if we turn off our primary circuit 2. we should then be able to switch on our source voltage at max 12 volts, at resonance, and between gated off intervals, we should see step charging occur as equal incremental voltage increases that yank away at the covalent bond in the water molecule quite vigorously, producing HHO. 3. i would expect that after initially charging the cell, and turning off the primary, the voltage level would drop a bit, but then hold steady.  4. i would expect that once we again switch on the primary at 12 volts, the cell voltage would increase. 5. the resonance of the stepped up voltage is the workforce, but because the cell is already charged, there is very little amp draw needed to initiate and sustain gas output. 6. 4 to 6 ounces of gas pressure in the cell stabilizes the capacitance therein.

Am i close? 

Thanks for all the great info. This is complex material to put it mildly.

- Bill

Ronnie,

Simple Question,

Do YOU think that the cell when there is charge ( alignment of the water molecule) that it acts as a diode?

aka,

"The most common function of a diode is to allow an electric current to pass in one direction (called the diode's forward direction), while blocking current in the opposite direction (the reverse direction). Thus, the diode can be viewed as an electronic version of a check valve. This unidirectional behavior is called rectification, and is used to convert alternating current (AC) to direct current (DC),"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diode

yes its going to behave slightly differently. But if we can hold a charge in one direction using a tinny offset voltage ( current) then "tap" it with higher pulse frequency. then we can get resonance between the cell and L1 and the cell and L2.

these are some random thoughts and just want your thoughts on it. it may be way off track and thats ok, i wanted to ask


Do YOU think that the cell when there is charge ( alignment of the water molecule) that it acts as a diode?

~Russ

So, I was just thinking.  There is 80% stainless steel 3D printer filament out there now.  I was thinking perhaps we could design a perfectly balanced 3d printed cell and housing all in one go, assuming that the cells printed with the stainless steel filament could be properly conductive.

Ok kewl! I will read that tonight!!!!

Quote from gpssonar on November 30th, 2016, 03:35 PM

If people can't wrap their head around Coulombs Law, they just as well lay the Vic & Cells down and let them collect dust. It answers all the question needed to build the VIC and the Cell to do what it's suppose to do. (Break the Covalent Bond & Strip Electrons) You even have to know this to build the VIC & Gas Processor as well. (To strip the electrons from the oxygen atom). I tried to walk everyone through Stan's Vic to get to this point so people would understand the working parts of the VIC. Maybe it's best if people starts at the water molecule and work backwards on this using Coulombs Law. It should answer all the unanswered question for everyone about the Cell and Vic.

Quote from timeshell on December 2nd, 2016, 02:46 PM

So, I was just thinking.  There is 80% stainless steel 3D printer filament out there now.  I was thinking perhaps we could design a perfectly balanced 3d printed cell and housing all in one go, assuming that the cells printed with the stainless steel filament could be properly conductive.

Altho a good idea. I'd say it's a no go. Lol. All a sounds like Somthing to add to the 3d printing section of this forum. ;) 

This thread it not the right place :)

~Russ

How many people here have a cell and are testing?  I can't be the only one..

Today I was using the scan function on my frequency generator. The freq gen scans in .01Hz increments at about 1Hz per second.

Still no luck finding resonance so I decided to look at the bandwidth of the circuit. My VIC is very close in values to Stan's. Doing the math I found the circuit has a bandwidth of 28Hz. I plotted the frequency response graph and quickly realized somewhere I'm missing something....If the bandwidth was really 28Hz I could find resonance easily....

I am thinking the water capacitance changes when you apply voltage to it....If so this would make the frequency response extremely narrow....And it would mean that the resonant frequency will change with voltage amplitude???

Sort of like an edlc (electric double layer capacitor).

Ronnie, can you verify if the resonant frequency changes when the applied voltage to the primary coil changes?

Hi HMS... I think it's just Matt you and me...Russ has not resumed testing yet.
I just need to make a new primary and my core will be ready for testing.
Not to happy with my setup since I do not have my round tubes cut yet and my core is UGLY.
I am also using flat plates for the cell for right now...
HMS....Don't forget to start with a dry cell.