Can't let Matt have all of the fun...
Since we are no longer using the twin core I had to add lib and came up with a new slap together VIC core using old parts I had...
Looks bad but it tested OK at 1.3H with 2700 turns 1.7mm gap on the core.
Hope I can get the (ugly core) to work.

I say it is a two part process because the RC circuit sets up an environment of an attracting force between the two plates to align and stretch the water molecule (Polarization Process). Then the LC circuit kicks in at a predetermined voltage level in an instant of time and sets up the repelling force on the two shared electrons that holds the water molecule together, (Like Stan said with enough repelling force on the two shared electrons the water molecule just falls apart, (Like a light switch cutting off the covalent bonds that holds them together). That's what the VIC (voltage intensifier (CIRCUIT)) does.

nice work Dan,

Thanks Matt and Ronnie for the new thoughts and I'm looking forward to testing my self in a few weeks time!

i still got a few things to get my head around before I'm ready...

~Russ

" just keep swimming,  just keep swimming"

Good deal Russ, jump right in when you feel the time is right. I got more to share when I can get some free time. I have to keep everyone warm where I work first.

LC/RC circuits could be found in all audio applications.

Low frequency harmonics, bass frequency, are cut with a high-pass RC filter. The opposite is true with an LC low-pass filter, cutting out the high frequency harmonics, treble frequency, both at a specified cutoff frequency or threshold. Generally called a band-pass filter.

What happens at the cutoff frequency? Between being an RC and LC circuit... is that the resonant point?

We may be capturing high frequency harmonics, BEMF, in an LC circuit setup, and orient its energy via high-voltage diode.

Spent half of the night looking for a good core for the VIC Again...
Can't believe after 2 years we still don't have a good core to use.
How are people going to make these things?
Did find one place in India that has a part number the U91 or U93 might work.....No buy now
http://www.mmg-india.com/product.aspx
Wish I could help more

Hy Dan.Looks like you realised too,that the bigest problem is the core.We can make theories all day long but without a good core and technical data we will spend 2 more years teoritising about how it might work and wind coils on what we find laying around

http://www.tme.eu/ro/katalog/miezuri-de-ferita_112517/#id_category=112517&s_field=artykul&s_order=ASC&visible_params=2%2C42%2C74%2C139%2C236%2C459%2C1362%2C1382%2C1382%2C1729%2C1730&used_params=1382%3A373465%3B

U93/76/16-3C90  i think is the closest onr,they ship around the world but we have to all agree on one to have similar results

Quote from adys15 on November 22nd, 2016, 11:48 AM

Hy Dan.Looks like you realised too,that the bigest problem is the core.We can make theories all day long but without a good core and technical data we will spend 2 more years teoritising about how it might work and wind coils on what we find laying around

http://www.tme.eu/ro/katalog/miezuri-de-ferita_112517/#id_category=112517&s_field=artykul&s_order=ASC&visible_params=2%2C42%2C74%2C139%2C236%2C459%2C1362%2C1382%2C1382%2C1729%2C1730&used_params=1382%3A373465%3B

U93/76/16-3C90  i think is the closest onr,they ship around the world but we have to all agree on one to have similar results

Why not use an air core with thicker wire and adjust to a certain temperature of the water?

I tend to agree with Dan.  It looks to me like, not just any core will work.  The DC bias on the primary changes a lot about the interaction of the two C-core halves.

Hi guys it looks like this core might work it's nice and large but not super fat-15-16mm.
DO NOT GO TO THEIR WEBSITE (IF-CORES.com) Google says it's not safe.
We could fit off the shelf bobbins on it from Cosmo or make some.

The Rub is I dont trust this guy..2 sales in 5 years on Alibaba?
Who knows if this part is for real or a PIC from 1999?
Alibaba link....safe
http://ifcores.en.alibaba.com/product/453592104-209712281/ferrite_core.html

Matt and others, The DC bias is only a potential difference of 1.23 Volts. Just so everyone don't make a mountain out of a mole hill.
EXAMPLE: Hydrogen electrode -0.41 volts Oxygen electrode +0.82 volts.

Quote from Matt Watts on November 22nd, 2016, 01:47 PM

I tend to agree with Dan.  It looks to me like, not just any core will work.  The DC bias on the primary changes a lot about the interaction of the two C-core halves.

Matt
Do you mean that many different cores will work with the help of the DC bias on the primary?
andy

I think most any core will work if you can fit the large bobbins on it. If the core is very large the VIC will tune ln at a lower Freq.(we really don't want that)
I bought my core from
Amazing1..I had to call and ask for the largest core they have and paid to much for it.
Edit...I just checked and the core I have is 3.48 x 3.65".OD window=2.46 x 2.4

It's is a little small and was hex shaped but with new bobbins it should work.

http://www.amazing1.com/transformers-high-voltage-high-frequency.html
I just wish we could get the IF core..it gives room for the sensor coil and off the shelf bobbins will fit

Quote from HHO-Dan on November 22nd, 2016, 05:09 PM

Hi guys it looks like this core might work it's nice and large but not supper fat-15-16mm.
DO NOT GO TO THERE WEBSITE (IF-CORES.com)Google says its not safe.
We could fit off the shelf bobbins on it from Cosmo or make some.

The Rub is I dont trust this guy..2 sales in 5 years on Alibaba?
Who knows if this part is for real or a PIC from 1999?
Alibaba link....safe
http://ifcores.en.alibaba.com/product/453592104-209712281/ferrite_core.html

Those cores are very close to the same dimensions of a core I have.  I created a bobbin set for it that could be easily tweaked to fit these cores.  http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=373.0

Quote from andy on November 23rd, 2016, 01:50 AM

Do you mean that many different cores will work with the help of the DC bias on the primary?

We will have to see what Ronnie has to say about this.

It looks to me like if the cores are too large, any DC bias you provide may not have the desired effect.  I think we need to back up a little and determine what the DC bias is really trying to achieve, it may not be what I described previous.

Matt
How you realise in practice the DC bias on the primary?
andy

Quote from andy on November 23rd, 2016, 12:47 PM

How you realise in practice the DC bias on the primary?

The circuits Ronnie posted will do the job.  There are probably other methods that will work well enough for testing purposes.

Quote from gpssonar on November 22nd, 2016, 05:10 PM

Matt and others, The DC bias is only a potential difference of 1.23 Volts. Just so everyone don't make a mountain out of a mole hill.
EXAMPLE: Hydrogen electrode -0.41 volts Oxygen electrode +0.82 volts.

I was eating turkey and could not stop thinking about these numbers.....

At 1.8V on 1 cell (smalll gap) we would be making HHO...That’s what I do.
At 2V we would be making lots of HHO but wasting current.
At 1.23V we would be making some HHO? but current would be very low.
Why did GPS use these numbers?
Are these the numbers used in the so called the polarization process?

Quote from HHO-Dan on November 25th, 2016, 04:38 AM

I was eating turkey and could not stop thinking about these numbers.....

At 1.8V on 1 cell (smalll gap) we would making HHO...That’s what I do.
At 2V we would be making lots of HHO but wasting current.
At 1.23V we would be making some HHO but current would be very low.
Why did GPS use these numbers?
Are these the numbers used in the so called the polarization process?

these numbers don't tell anything about the voltage over a single cell tube ...
... but that voltage counts most!

Those numbers means a lot whether you know it or not. I don't care if you got one cell or five hundred cells. How many of you have charged up a cell and disconnected the cell and hooked up a led across the cell and watch it stay lit for a period of time before the cell completely discharges. Every ask yourself why the cell will lite the led after the cell has been turned off? I'll give you the answer, the water molecules are polarized which will keep a charge on the cell and the led lit, once they lose there polarization they start to spin again and the led dies out. It takes a potential difference of 1.23 volts to maintain the polarization process. If not you will have to start the process all over again from the start.

Been real quiet on here since my last post.

Getting bored ronnie?

damn you have amazing stamina, giving out answers 24 / 7

Bored? I've been busy as one could be on Skype giving white board presentations among other things . Why you missing something? Wouldn't be the tuning process of it all would it? I have great stamina, I've out lasted your buddy Max Miller that's for sure. I hear he needs another can of Red spary paint. You better go start him a go fund me campaign.

Quote from gpssonar on November 27th, 2016, 08:25 AM

I've been busy as one could be on Skype giving white board presentations among other things.

Oh lord.  I guess I'm way behind now.  Any chance you recorded any of those presentations?

All in due time.

Will get there. Most of us are taking what you told us Ronnie and thinking about it.
For me for sure. I must have my head in the right place before I can start. Just keep explaining stuff to Matt. He is a good translater. ;)

~Russ