X-Blade, that is the most significant Stan Meyer information that I have seen ,
it gave me a clear understanding, thank you.

To quote from the video
"Gentlemen everything that you have said in this meeting is a load of ... malarkey."

I am now convinced that Stan was a con artist.
Please do not waste your time and effort .

Quote from Sulaiman on November 6th, 2016, 03:13 AM

X-Blade, that is the most significant Stan Meyer information that I have seen ,
it gave me a clear understanding, thank you.

To quote from the video
"Gentlemen everything that you have said in this meeting is a load of ... malarkey."

I am now convinced that Stan was a con artist.
Please do not waste your time and effort .

can you elaborate your statement with specific examples that would be more practical

Quote from Sulaiman on November 6th, 2016, 03:13 AM

I am now convinced that Stan was a con artist.
Please do not waste your time and effort .

Please back up your statement with facts, not just a statement. There was something in that video that gave you reason to believe what you do. Share it with us.

Quote from Enrg4life on November 5th, 2016, 05:27 PM

It sounds to me like the gas pressure in the cell is a critical part that needs be taken into consideration when running the system. Is it not also critical for the tunning process too. I would think regulating the gas pressure while tunning the cell would be a must to help regulate the capitance. Am I wrong in thinking this way Ronnie?

No your not wrong, gas pressure in the cell is what stabilizes the capacitance. The polarization of water water molecules are aligned, therfore can store more charge because of the pressure, we have more molecules per unit area which also causes increased capacity. In this video at 43:00 Stan talks about the back pressure in the cell. Watch the whole video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGqCaVFWIWQ

Hi GPS...
Russ stated that the WFC cell had  16.69pf  this is a unrealistic number since my sim shows that we need more PF than that.
You stated in 9/2014 that 
Quote:
"That is exactly why you can not get 1 3 5 7 9  cells to work, they have to be paired in two's. (2 4 6 8 10)"

Well what do you mean by paired in two's?

If the cell needs to be paired up in two's than my worksheet needs to be updated.
A real number like 32-45PF is more realistic
Thanks.
................HHO Dan.................

To make a long story short,Others have proven me wrong when I Made that statement. It was due to me making a mistake when I was drawing up the cells with three and four cells. I made a new drawing with my mistake in it. So disregard that statement.

Quote from Ris on November 6th, 2016, 03:23 AM

can you elaborate your statement with specific examples that would be more practical

I know what scared you it is 101 mathematics  and in 51 30 of this video is evident in itself 4 billion electrons  so where it came energy for disassemble four billion electrons
even Tesla has statement I can amplify power for 5000%
so I asked them politely how can you do it
they said son mathematical formula on paper and in nature are not always the same and exact science is not always exact ,we have only one Newton but we do have a lots of different apples(in other words whether you can make that apple falls faster than usual)
I needed two years for the apple to fall faster and it's bloody hilarious simple
so the question is no longer whether is this possible but more how is that possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0f8VbShZYQ

Quote from Sulaiman on November 6th, 2016, 03:13 AM

X-Blade, that is the most significant Stan Meyer information that I have seen ,
it gave me a clear understanding, thank you.

To quote from the video
"Gentlemen everything that you have said in this meeting is a load of ... malarkey."

I am now convinced that Stan was a con artist.
Please do not waste your time and effort .

That is quite the statement you make there Sulaiman, to base your opinion on one single remark found in a video clip in order to deem Stanley Meyer to be nothing but a con artist, as opposed to looking into what, for example then, Ronnie is showing us here in this very thread.

Having sad that then, would you also call Ronnie and his fellow team members con artists then, given that they all know equally much about what Ronnie is sharing here with the rest of us, as Ronnie in fact is explaining to us right here how Stanley Meyer's water fuel system works and also how to build such a system?

Lynx, I would not worry about it to much, We have went through this many many times before in the past. I'm not here to "make" people believe in this. People either do or they don't, those that are stuck in a world of how they have been taught will never believe in it. Hell the same people that don't believe in this, Is more likely the same type of people 50 years ago that didn't believe we would be talking on cell phones now days, or communicating on the internet all over the world, or a self driving vehicle. If those same people only knew what our government has it would scare the hell of of them. I would just like for those type of people to tell the government their stuff want work and don't believe in it. LOL

Well was Russ right...Do we need our cell to have 16.7 PF?
This is a very small number to tune with the the VIC.

Here is where I'm am at.............
We have 12 numbers we need to know...
L1-L2-S1-P1-C-1Cell-1(C-1)
Most of us are not smart enough to do the math to get this correct
Well....How about 1 real number? With the twin core you made
Cell=?
L-1=?
L-2?
S-1?
P-1?

Dan there is more to it than just a capacitance value. Voltage plays a big role in this. If you look at this photo of Stan's, the first level is the polarization process. You want this process to take place with around 2 volts on the primary. If you tune to resonance at 2 volts and you see no gas being produced at all then you know there is something wrong. By leaving it at resonance at 2 volts, raise the voltage from 2 volts 4,6,8,10,12 somewhere in that voltage range you should see some gas being made. What ever that voltage is that you see the gas being made let's say 6 volts. That should tell you, the turn ratio is off on the secondary, because you want it to take place at 2 volts to the primary not 6 volts. This is where everything gets tricky to adjust. In order to keep the impedance match, what you have to do is take turns off the chokes and add them to the secondary to increase the voltage. By doing this you change the inductance which will change the resonate frequency. So it's a balancing act that your shooting for. Again if the polarization process takes place at 6 volts and it's suppose to start at 2 then you've lost 4 volts in the process that you can no longer do anything with.

Quote from gpssonar on November 6th, 2016, 06:33 AM

Lynx, I would not worry about it to much, We have went through this many many times before in the past. I'm not here to "make" people believe in this. People either do or they don't, those that are stuck in a world of how they have been taught will never believe in it. Hell the same people that don't believe in this, Is more likely the same type of people 50 years ago that didn't believe we would be talking on cell phones now days, or communicating on the internet all over the world, or a self driving vehicle. If those same people only knew what our government has it would scare the hell of of them. I would just like for those type of people to tell the government their stuff want work and don't believe in it. LOL

Alright Ronnie, I'm glad to see you have a very sound attitude regarding doubts being thrown at you while sharing what you know about Meyer, fortunately there are many more of us who actually believe that Meyer's WFC system works the way you're explaining it to be working here, than there are of those who don't believe a word you say.

Quote from Lynx on November 6th, 2016, 08:01 AM

Alright Ronnie, I'm glad to see you have a very sound attitude regarding doubts being thrown at you while sharing what you know about Meyer, fortunately there are many more of us who actually believe that Meyer's WFC system works the way you're explaining it to be working here, than there are of those who don't believe a word you say.

unfortunately this is the world around us. We must do our best and for those who accept will accept for those who do not will not. I learned a long time ago do not try to change people's perspective. Let them keep their perspective if they wish to believe they will make it to the next step. If they do not believe they will be stuck in their old ways and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Except for themselves.

~Russ

Quote from HHO-Dan on November 6th, 2016, 06:51 AM

Here is where I'm am at.............
We have 12 numbers we need to know...
L1-L2-S1-P1-C-1Cell-1(C-1)
Most of us are not smart enough to do the math to get this correct
Well....How about 1 real number? With the twin core you made
Cell=?
L-1=?
L-2?
S-1?
P-1?

Dan. This are the right questions. However your gonna really need to understand each of those parameters.

Even im sitting down and spending hrs on hrs to do the math. Let me put it this way.

Even if we gave you all those answers it still means that it might not work. This is due to the complexity of each part. As a hole it's not to bad but each part must be understood. Ronnie is trying to explain each part the way he uderstands it. And it's going to take some time.

Lets do this. Give your best shot at answering your own qustions. This at least will prove your math. And we will try to help each other along the way. My math sucks too!! But we can learn!! Even I would need to spend a day or 2 or more like a week or 2 to think through this. But each person who is going to get this to work will need to understand it.  Dive deep in to math and eletrical understanding. Even at this stage where we are still learing the parts.

For instance. Look at the stuff I posted that was on my desk. Matching a few things will not gain secessus.  Deep understanding of each part will. And I'm not even there... yet.

~Russ

Russ is right, It's not a matter of slapping things together and hope for the best. The hardest thing for me to do is get other people's cell working. One mismatch of anything will keep it from working. That's the reason i put the disclaimer "Don't blame me" as my first post here. All I can do is show how the math adds up in Stan's vic and how it is matched. If you don't have Stan's cell to go along with his vic don't expect it to work. It's all a tuned and matched system that makes it work.

Ronnie. I have a request.

You have shown us a lot of the little details along the way.

I think it's time for a recap.

Can you post the impedance matching , LC matching , and the tuning process. And the match of each part in one post.

What I'm asking is for you to give the values you calulate along with the math you used. This way we can get a better feel for where you start, and how you get the numbers matched. Its going to bee a deep and long post. So make it on word then post in it here.

I believe there are still things you need to post as well so if there is some critical things we need first. Then start there.

Slowely we will get it. Its going to take some work on our part too. This we know.

Its extremely helpful for you to give us some " problems" and home work. But we need exzamples to go with it!! 

:)

Just a thought. ~Russ

Ye i can do that but before I do, I have another Question: Does people understand the polarization process? Because that is where it all starts. I would like to hear peoples thought on this first.

I've been doing a lot of tinkering with the VIC Calc spreadsheet I posted a few pages back and I can tell you guys, there is some interesting things going on with the numbers.

One example is trying to build the VIC like a typical step-up transformer where the primary windings are thicker wire than the secondary and chokes.   You simply can't do it with the formulas Ronnie has shared with us.  In fact, it is actually far easier to match the impedance with the secondary and choke wires having thicker wire than the primary.  It's all about the ohms and how they converge under various turn ratios.  There is something going on here in this VIC that is completely contrary to normal understanding.  I can't put my finger on what it is yet, but I will say it seems to expose what resistance truly is.  It's kind of like a Universal Force that keeps things in balance and you can design around either side of that balance, either the normal way like most electronics, or the inverted way like this VIC seems to be designed.

Quote from gpssonar on November 6th, 2016, 10:28 AM

Question: Does people understand the polarization process?

Only at a very basic level; not the mechanics of it at all.

My comprehension of this process is that you are targeting a molecule that is not neutral.  This gives us an advantage of not having to shake it apart; instead we can apply electrical polarity to orient the molecule, then increase the strength of this polarized field in accordance with how the molecule reacts.  It appears to me that we slowly (relatively speaking) tear the molecule apart instead of brute force smashing it apart.  We let field intensity create the force necessary.  This is my understanding of letting voltage do the work.

Matt or anyone, would you say the polarization process is used in Brut force electrolysis?

not off topic just some thing I always noted . not aimed at gps or anyone .
I would like to know when "brute force" description started ?    p.d , e.m.f , volt is the force that moves the electron , more volts means more force .

Quote from gpssonar on November 6th, 2016, 10:28 AM

Ye i can do that but before I do, I have another Question: Does people understand the polarization process? Because that is where it all starts. I would like to hear peoples thought on this first.

let me give a go,

we know the "step charging" is not quite the way Stan means, in your way of thinking its not really the cap charging in a short pulse duration.  like in the resonance attachment .jpg its the voltage it takes to get to resonance in the gas phase. 

the steps are the tuning process,

 the "polarization process" this is the first part of aligning the water molecules. orientating them for the next phase.   

This is voltage controlled.

This not the same as brought force electrolysis.

 brought force electrolysis is a surface phenomenon.

the "polarization process" is soothing that happens in between the plates.

like in figure 7-4

~Russ

Quote from gpssonar on November 6th, 2016, 10:59 AM

Matt or anyone, would you say the polarization process is used in Brut force electrolysis?

To be quite honest Ronnie, I have never seen a detailed full explanation of how brute force electrolysis works.  Maybe such documentation exists, I've just never seen it.  If I ever do see it, I'm not all that sure I would accept the explanation as truth.

It's more like:  Put electrodes in water, add a charge carrier (electrolyte) and make the process go by applying current to the electrodes.

When you get into electroplating, a few more details are exposed.  I have a neat little brass penny to remind me of some of this.  It still looks more like ion transfer than polarization to me, which is a chemical thing instead of a nuclear phenomena.  Stan even mentions with his process, new materials can be made that would otherwise not form on their own, such as the magnetic gas used in his EPG.  This has to be nuclear not chemical.

My idea of the polarization process is that the water molecules are being aligned between the inner and outer tubes due to the ever increasing voltage across the cell tubes, which leads to more and more molecules "pointing" in the same direction the higher the voltage is, with the Oxygen atoms facing the anodes and the (2) hydrogen atoms facing the cathode tubes.

I don't think polarization of the water molecules takes place in a Faradic brute force electrolysis cell, atleast not on the same level as compared to a Meyer WFC.