Quote from newguy on November 1st, 2016, 03:08 PM

If u can meet me in Kingsport, I'm an hour west .. .100$ for it and a probe.

Refresh your screen a pm should pop up send me a pm back.

Matt is right, you can not fool with any resistance from either side or your screwed.

Question?
Do you guy's want me to continue on with the Vic? Or do the phasing?
If we can leave the scope and soldering iron on the bench and turned off for now I would like to talk about the VIC.

Quote from ~Russ on November 1st, 2016, 03:03 PM

FYI, new guy, post " for sell" here:
http://open-source-energy.org/?board=42.0
you might not be able to due to your lack of posts, if thats the case let me know
Thanks!

~Russ

Thanks Russ.

Quote from gpssonar on November 1st, 2016, 03:21 PM

Refresh your screen a pm should pop up send me a pm back.

I'm not getting any notifications but I sent my cell # to you.

Quote from gpssonar on November 1st, 2016, 03:25 PM

Question?
Do you guy's want me to continue on with the Vic? Or do the phasing?
If we can leave the scope and soldering iron on the bench and turned off for now I would like to talk about the VIC.

Quote from gpssonar on November 1st, 2016, 03:25 PM

Question?
Do you guy's want me to continue on with the Vic? Or do the phasing?
If we can leave the scope and soldering iron on the bench and turned off for now I would like to talk about the VIC.

I for one would like to delve further into the vic...
I have applied the formula to my coil set up and found it to be 14.3watts total
My cell capacitance is 3.859 pf where do we go from here ?

Quote from gpssonar on November 1st, 2016, 03:19 PM

I know phasing plays a big role in everything, but what i was trying to teach had nothing to do with phasing or scope shots. Just look at the add pages that got added and threw everything off track. Some was my fault due to phasing. I gave the math that shows how to match the line to the load and it all adds up. And most everyone just threw it to the side like it was nothing. Believe me if you don't know how to match everything you don't need a scope in the first place. And from what I have seen so far no one has ever figured out how to match it all up. Jumping form one thing to another want get you a working cell at all. My suggestion is to leave the soldering iron and scope and the wire and bobbins all alone until you figure out what to do with it all.

We're trying but instead of explaining it in plain English you've taken to talking in riddles again with fragmented bits here and there. You said you'd reveal it on the 24th, all of it and how it works but you havn't Ronnie, you've posted pics here and there and said more or less 'here is how its wired guess the rest' I was expecting a comprehensive idiot proof guide from start to finish but it hasn't materialised has it? We're still just guessing. TBH i'm not interested in the math, I was just interested in a technical basic round up of how it works. Now you're saying none of us should be doing anything until we understand it, how the bloody hell will we ever understand it if you won't tell the underlying principles. Either one of two things has happened here, you've either changed your mind or your not sure your self. All I wanted on the 24th was for you to be honest and tell what you'd learned so far but it hasn't been forth coming has it, just sketches and guess the rest. TBH Ronnie i'm bloody disappointed with it all.

Nav, Ronnie was very clear, he want to explain to everyone including the newbies.
Some people are new to this topic or to this technology, please be patient and be grateful for the oportunity.

Quote from nav on November 1st, 2016, 03:45 PM

TBH i'm not interested in the math,...

Then you're DiW.  Just a floating target waiting to be sunk.

 Ronnie, keep going.

do what you feel is the necessary steps to getting your understanding out. even tho there will be people who dont get it. its best to do what you think is important as a teacher.

~Russ

Quote from nav on November 1st, 2016, 03:45 PM

We're trying but instead of explaining it in plain English you've taken to talking in riddles again with fragmented bits here and there. You said you'd reveal it on the 24th, all of it and how it works but you havn't Ronnie, you've posted pics here and there and said more or less 'here is how its wired guess the rest' I was expecting a comprehensive idiot proof guide from start to finish but it hasn't materialised has it? We're still just guessing. TBH i'm not interested in the math, I was just interested in a technical basic round up of how it works. Now you're saying none of us should be doing anything until we understand it, how the bloody hell will we ever understand it if you won't tell the underlying principles. Either one of two things has happened here, you've either changed your mind or your not sure your self. All I wanted on the 24th was for you to be honest and tell what you'd learned so far but it hasn't been forth coming has it, just sketches and guess the rest. TBH Ronnie i'm bloody disappointed with it all.

Sounds to me like you are not interested in anything Ronnie is willing to teach you. You sound like most others when you didn't get it just handed to you on a silver platter. Show me , Show me, Show me.
Ronnie has given enough information at this point, that if you was serious enough about this technology, your cell would be working right now.
I see most people are just ungrateful. Thank god Ronnie is still sharing. If it was me, I might have just abandoned the idea of helping anyone anymore...Patience is a virtue...

Quote from X-Blade on November 1st, 2016, 03:52 PM

Nav, Ronnie was very clear, he want to explain to everyone including the newbies.
Some people are new to this topic or to this technology, please be patient and be grateful for the oportunity.

I understand what your saying xblade but the reason i'm mad is because Ronnie has twice changed the schematic of the VIC in this thread, I'd soldered my wires together on the VIC from a schematic he posted the other day, now its changed again and I don't know which bloody way its wired now. I'm just lost at the moment, i'm more confused than before the 24th lol. I need to take a break from this and come back in a couple of months

Quote from Matt Watts on November 1st, 2016, 03:55 PM

Then you're DiW.  Just a floating target waiting to be sunk.

yeah unfortunately you cant and wont be able to get it working if you dont understand the basics.

your smart Nav... but you got to be open to the understanding before you get to the other stuff. or you'll be trying everything under the sun till you give up.

just like you have tried so hard to understand TV fly back theory, you got to do the same here with the math. or Matts right. its a bust, we all know that from trial and error over the years...

~Russ   

Quote from Matt Watts on November 1st, 2016, 03:55 PM

Then you're DiW.  Just a floating target waiting to be sunk.

The math can come later, I was more interested in how the VIC is configured so I can get the damn thing on my scope and look for myself before I apply any large voltages. I have other VIC's built that I wanted to play with but wasn't sure about the wiring.
I'm just stressed with this at the moment, its cause Ronnie keeps changing the configurations of the wiring and phasing. I'm puzzled

Quote from nav on November 1st, 2016, 04:04 PM

The math can come later, I was more interested in how the VIC is configured so I can get the damn thing on my scope and look for myself before I apply any large voltages. I have other VIC's built that I wanted to play with but wasn't sure about the wiring.
I'm just stressed with this at the moment, its cause Ronnie keeps changing the configurations of the wiring and phasing. I'm puzzled

yep, Stress will lead you to frustration. and you will get know where. as we all have done this from time to time .

why dose my quote say " One Day At A Time..."

because with out fallowing the resipie you wont get cake... and of you start thronging a bunch of crap at it ( like aw all have) you wont ever get any where.  I WANNA EAT CAKE

alto i agree, you wanna jump right in and start testing, no dought about it, however for me i sit back and start fresh with new ideas and looking at it from ronnie's angle, then and only then if im still confused i will not more forward. i dont want a working theory, i want a working unit. and with that comes the math...  and a hell of a lot of work. on top of what i already put forth

trust me, the correct wiring and phasing will not get you there. most of you have seen the effort i put in to " replicating" and that was a bust, because i did not now the math. not because it dose not work.

~Russ

Nav, Go by Don sketches on the phasing, the photo's I just posted has sitckers on the Vic that Stan put there. S and F sitckers. go by them and follow the wires. You can tell the start of the wires and finish just by looking at the coils on his vic.

If I have post photos that are wrong, I will go back and change them. Right now this is taking up to much of my time to worry about it. I can stay focused on what I was trying to teach. Hell I'm already lost in what I wanted to say about the VIc because of the phasing issue. Everyone that is throwing crap about a scope shot has no clue how to do the impedance matching and chokes and capacitors, and I know it. For if they did they would have it figured out to. There is more to this than just throwing wire on a bobbin and praying for it to work. And hooking a scope up to it want make it work. And not only that hooking it up wrong will cause it not to work.

Quote from nav on November 1st, 2016, 04:04 PM

The math can come later, ...

That's a poor way to build a house.  Throw the walls up, roof, plumbing, wiring, appliances, carpet, paint, then finally go back and poor some footings and foundation.  Probably by the time you get around to doing that last part, your house is already sinking, the walls are leaning and the roof is coming loose.  I hardly see how any of that is Ronnie's fault.

Quote from ~Russ on November 1st, 2016, 04:12 PM

yep, Stress will lead you to frustration. and you will get know where. as we all have done this from time to time .

why dose my quote say " One Day At A Time..."

because with out fallowing the resipie you wont get cake... and of you start thronging a bunch of crap at it ( like aw all have) you wont ever get any where.  I WANNA EAT CAKE

alto i agree, you wanna jump right in and start testing, no dought about it, however for me i sit back and start fresh with new ideas and looking at it from ronnie's angle, then and only then if im still confused i will not more forward. i dont want a working theory, i want a working unit. and with that comes the math...

trust me, the correct wiring and phasing will not get you there. most of you have seen the effort i put in to " replicating" and that was a bust, because i did not no the math. not because it dose not work.

~Russ
~Russ

I like to keep track of where I am Russ, I've got my own ideas about certain things and I need help with lots of others. The one thing I wanted to establish recently was the mode of operation which was mainly the way the VIC was phased and which wires went where. I'm trying to understand what Ronnie is saying about the VIC but he changed the schematic twice and because there are no scope shots kicking about I don't know what to look for and i'm really puzzled because of the recent changes in schematic. So in all honesty I don't actually know anything about the VIC at all in terms of phase etc. I'm going to have a break from it, come back when my judgement is less clouded by my anger and re-think it all. Sorry Ronnie and the rest of you guys for being a pain, see you all in a few months.

Let's move on, What I was trying to show in the impedance matching the line to the load was with resistance only. Let's say we only had the line resistance and the load resistance. But we knew the voltage to the line and the amp to the line. We can get the watts from that.
We know we need the same watts out of the load.
but we only know the load ohms and watts from the line.
If we use the same calculation as before. All the resistance would end up on the secondary as one big coil. but still equaling out to 310 ohms when done.

Stan needed two chokes on both sides of the capacitors. What better way to do this than to take the secondary and divide it into 3 coils. Take 3.83 ohms from each coil and you have the Feedback coil of 11.5ohms
You still end up with the 310 ohms in the load side.
But now you have charging chokes to boot. You have the ability to have a LC circuit now.
You not only have amp restriction built in because Inductors can't stand reverse current.
Now that you have everything impedance matched and inductors in place all you need now is a capacitor to set up the LC circuit.
Because at resonance Xl and Xc will not have any effect on the impedance match.
I hope this helped in identifying all the working parts, and how they were calculated in.

Summary:
Without inductors, the resistance can be a secondary coil with 73 ohms and a two resistiors of 73ohms and a feedback coil of 11.5 ohms and a load of 78.54 ohms. But replacing the two resistors with two inductors will be the same total resistance needed to impedance match the load resistance.

we will welcome you back Nav. this is the same thing i did... more than once...

~Russ

Ronnie, why 310? where came the 11.5 we saw earlier on this thread?

11.5 is the feedback coil. anything on the load side has to be included in the total resistance. Sorry about that, that resistance has to be taken away from all three coils for it's own resistance in its coil.

I'm sorry to see Nav go, But for those that don't want this information I'm given out that no one ever talked about. Then this may not be the place for you. I said I would give this out on the 24th. And this is how I'm going to give it out like it or not. I want everyone to be equal in knowing how this works and not just a few. Those few will have to wait on the many. Sorry

Ronnie, I was looking to pictures from the transformer but there are 2 things I dont understand:

1- Why Meyer used the red for the - of the cell and the black on + (it is very clear on the Picture)

2-The diode if it was the MUR1550 the arrow is reversed,   like this     --|<|-- and we can see it coming the anode (back of the arrow, right leg) wired to one of the + choke.