Looks great Matt.

Thanks Ronnie.

So what else ya got to show us?   I know it can't be that easy.

Quote from Matt Watts on October 31st, 2016, 07:29 PM

Also, here's a little write-up I did to make sure this information doesn't fall down the memory hole.

Why do you not take impedance into account? Taking these ohmic values works well for a constant voltage driven transformer at primary side but IMO not for a pulsed DC transformer creating AC at the secondary.

So why is the impedance neglegible for that configuration (and impedance is frequency dependent)?

Good questions Gunther, maybe Sulaiman can answer that.

The question I have is why exactly is there only one solution to this algorithm?  Only one turns ratio that makes this all work as Ronnie detailed?

Ris, would you be able to explain this?

Ronnie what is the size of the air gaps in the core?
thank
andy

boys do not be silly, we can change anything windings , frequency ,cells, etc. but any change is a cause and effect, e.g. more windings here we get more voltage but now we have to change and cells and all this is for now too expensive Plus side effects off more voltage to cell is that we risk arcing between cells and certainly no one wants that.Stans system is designed quite well and because of the above reasons it is better to have multiple cells and VIC.

Quote from Matt Watts on October 31st, 2016, 11:27 PM

Good questions Gunther, maybe Sulaiman can answer that.

The question I have is why exactly is there only one solution to this algorithm?  Only one turns ratio that makes this all work as Ronnie detailed?

Ris, would you be able to explain this?

If no one chimes in on this, I will tonight when I get home from work.
Think about this in the mean time. If we didn't know the the resistance values of the wire in the chokes and pretend they didn't even exist and all we knew was what the load impeadance is 78.54ohms, where would all the resistance end up to match it to the line impeadance?  Answer, all on the secondary would it not? I need to go back and reteach this, I see where i got a little ahead of you guy's.

Mr. Ronnie
have a good day at work.
I look forward to reading tonight.
cheers

Merc

Quote from Ris on November 1st, 2016, 02:18 AM

boys do not be silly, we can change anything windings , frequency ,cells, etc. but any change is a cause and effect, e.g. more windings here we get more voltage but now we have to change and cells and all this is for now too expensive Plus side effects off more voltage to cell is that we risk arcing between cells and certainly no one wants that.Stans system is designed quite well and because of the above reasons it is better to have multiple cells and VIC.

your statement is a qualitative statement. of course it´true but for implementation it doesn´t help as Stan Meyer also mentioned "for more voltage you take more windings". Ahaaaaaaaa ;) ). that also was dead end statement.

for implementation we need quantitative statements (or a running test system).

right now we have no running system at Stan Meyer´s specs.

if i had a running system i would get my answers to my questions a few days ago from the system:

http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2785.msg40060#msg40060

1. what is peak voltage at a single cell with water in liquid condition?
2. what is peak voltage at a single cell with water transferred to gaseous condition?

Who can answer those question?



Once i knew those answers i would add 2 more questions:

1. what is peak current at a single cell with water in liquid condition?
2. what is peak current at a single cell with water transferred to gaseous condition?



Once i knew those answers i would add 4 more questions:

1. what is net voltage and net current at a single cell with water in liquid condition?
2. what is net voltage and net current at a single cell with water transferred to gaseous condition?


And then i would take a brief look at the voltage scope shot over a single cell and check if there is exclusively positive pulses or if there is also peaks into the negative.

Then i would continue setting voltages and currents into relation analyzing phase shifts between voltages and currents.

then i would use the math function of the scope and let it calculate net wattage at different parts of the system (cell, vic primary, vic secondary, ...)

then i would start to measure gas production and compare electrical and volume data to faraday production.

for not to compare apples and oranges there would be another stage of analysis comparing faraday hho to the gas produced by the Stan Meyer type apparatus.


As you can see none of these questions can be answered without scope analysis and measurements due to lack of objective data.

I think all electrical measurements could be taken in an afternoon. the volume measurements and comparison should be a day and the burn rate adjustment or comparison might be 2 weeks.


But it needs a running Stan Meyer type system ...

I agree with you with that necessary measurements
but with a little bit of thinking I need a very precise scale for mass and voltmeter to answer roughly most of questions

scope are very precise.

go on ... I listen ...

there's nothing special input vs output course record all anomalies in weight and compare the data with the existing data like well proven classical electrolysis, ohm law, etc.

Whether you're at home in Munich

correct, but that´s last step ...

how about basic measurements as i listed above?

Quote from Ris on November 1st, 2016, 09:00 AM

Whether you're at home in Munich

http://www.source-for-innovations.com/Kontakt.htm

Ronnie, earlier on in the thread you posted the phases (in blue) all in the same direction with the phase dots running correspondingly.
Today you moved the dot on the L2 choke to oppose L1 and the secondary. See pics below.
I'm confused, which is correct now?

Ronnie, this is just crazy. We need scope shots of the primary voltage during pulse off time and on time, we need scope shots of the secondary during pulse on and off but more importantly we need scope shots of L2 in reference to L1 and to ground state so we can see where voltage and current oppose and aid.

Both of those photo's are identical to each othe, and they are correct. This is just my opinion, scope shots are not going to help any one that still has no clue how to impedance match the circuit. Show me one person that understands it yet. All I see is people wanting to see proof, then the same people after showing them proof will be the same ones that come back and say how do you do this and that.

Quote from gpssonar on November 1st, 2016, 10:13 AM

Both of those photo's are identical to each othe, and they are correct.

?
The lower picture has L1 and L2 both pointing away from the capacitor while the upper picture has L1 pointing towards the capacitor and L2 pointing away from the capacitor?

If you place L1 and L2 on the same side of the core as the cell, it looks like this:

Quote from gpssonar on November 1st, 2016, 10:13 AM

Both of those photo's are identical to each othe, and they are correct. This is just my opinion, scope shots are not going to help any one that still has no clue how to impedance match the circuit. Show me one person that understands it yet. All I see is people wanting to see proof, then the same people after showing them proof will be the same ones that come back and say how do you do this and that.

Ronnie i'm not saying anyone understands it, i'm trying to understanding it but these 2 pictures are not the same IMO.

If I have no scope shots of all the different phases of pulse on and off for every coil in voltage and current then I have absolutely no idea of any references i'm looking for. I could fry the VIC just guessing. If I knew what to look for I could do each coil individually or do it at very low voltage in series.
Isn't there a more simple way to get this across? I'm very confused about which wire goes where now.

Quote from Gunther Rattay on November 1st, 2016, 09:07 AM

correct, but that´s last step ...

how about basic measurements as i listed above?

simply take an oscilloscope and measure if you're interested-for me Average voltage across all cells is enough from that you know how much each individual cell has, amount of current  determine gas production ,you can watch every single pulse on an oscilloscope but the end result will be the same
also how to connect transformer, bloody hell how many possibilities are there

Nav don't take that comment I made personal it was directed to everyone. I just don't get it, I drew up a photo of how the coils are on Stan's Vic and how they are phased and people want scope shots showing it. Damn I can visualize that in my head. I don't need a scope. Again both drawings are the same. The top one of STAN'S is a wire diagram and mine is actually on the Vic as drawn. Stan's drawing is not on the Vic it's a diagram of the Vic circuit.