simply take an oscilloscope and measure if you're interested-for me Average voltage across all cells is enough from that you know how much each individual cell has, amount of current determine gas production ,you can watch every single pulse on an oscilloscope but the end result will be the same
also how to connect transformer, bloody hell how many possibilities are there
Nav don't take that comment I made personal it was directed to everyone. I just don't get it, I drew up a photo of how the coils are on Stan's Vic and how they are phased and people want scope shots showing it. Damn I can visualize that in my head. I don't need a scope. Again both drawings are the same. The top one of STAN'S is a wire diagram and mine is actually on the Vic as drawn.
Nav,
You bring up some great points.
I don't see the VIC as a flyback though.
The reason is because the flyback produces voltage in a different manner than the VIC.
A flyback depends on short high current pulses through an inductance...When the magnetic field collapses it produces a high current through the inductance. V=L *di/dt shows you how the voltage is produced.
Yes Stans explanations are very similar...But I don't believe they describe a flyback.
In the VIC the voltage is generated by a small current flowing through a large reactance. V=i * XL, V=i * XC
Do the math used for basic transformers....You'll find the turns ratio produces around 60V across the secondary coil....In a series resonant circuit at resonance the only impedance is the resistance in the circuit (around 220 ohms for the 3 coils).
Take 60V/220 ohms = 270mA .
Now...Stan states the cell uses up to 20kV
How much reactance would it take for the 1.262H choke to produce 20kV?
20kV/.27A = 74,000 ohms impedance
Now....What is the impedance of 1.262H at 10kHz?
Answer: 79,000 Ohms
That shows you using the actual measured valued of Stan's VIC & L1 choke that just below 10kHz the circuit will produce 20kV across the cell...If it's at resonance, that's the hard part!
"20kV/.27A = 74,000 ohms impedance
Now....What is the impedance of 1.262H at 10kHz?
Answer: 79,000 Ohms "
XL = 2piFL
= 2 x 3.141592653 x 10 kHz x 1.262 H
= 7.9E+04 ohms (to 2 significant digits)
= 79,294 ohms
Stan states "WO1992007861A1 CONTROL AND DRIVER CIRCUITS FOR A HYDROGEN GAS FUEL PRODUCING CELL"
"At start up, in this example, current draw through the water cell will measure about 25 milliamp; however, when the circuit finds a tuned resonant condition, current drops to 1-2 milliamp minimum leakage condition."
So 20kV gives minimum of 10 Mega Ohms of "impedance" for this current through the cell.
If this is not true, tell me how Meyer restricted that current through the cell...
~webmug
@~Webmug
Some things in the patent are not right, is just to ensure that they aprove it.
This values if more likely to the injectors.
@~Webmug
Some things in the patent are not right, is just to ensure that they aprove it.
This values if more likely to the injectors.
"20kV/.27A = 74,000 ohms impedance
Now....What is the impedance of 1.262H at 10kHz?
Answer: 79,000 Ohms "
XL = 2piFL
= 2 x 3.141592653 x 10 kHz x 1.262 H
= 7.9E+04 ohms (to 2 significant digits)
= 79,294 ohms
Stan states "WO1992007861A1 CONTROL AND DRIVER CIRCUITS FOR A HYDROGEN GAS FUEL PRODUCING CELL"
"At start up, in this example, current draw through the water cell will measure about 25 milliamp; however, when the circuit finds a tuned resonant condition, current drops to 1-2 milliamp minimum leakage condition."
So 20kV gives minimum of 10 Mega Ohms of "impedance" for this current through the cell.
If this is not true, tell me how Meyer restricted that current through the cell...
~webmug
This is just my opinion, scope shots are not going to help any one that still has no clue how to impedance match the circuit. Show me one person that understands it yet. All I see is people wanting to see proof, then the same people after showing them proof will be the same ones that come back and say how do you do this and that.
Russ what was the minimum order that you gave to manufacture the C cores and cost?
Ronnie has made it clearer but when Ronnie did his spark plug video he placed the primary over the air gap but never explained why. Perhaps Ronnie will explain why he did this. I think there is a network on the primary side that somehow bridges the gap and its either the primary or pickup or both together forming a linear core down the primary side of the core then it uses the two chokes and the capacitor to charge the other side of the core.
Both of those photo's are identical to each othe, and they are correct. This is just my opinion, scope shots are not going to help any one that still has no clue how to impedance match the circuit. Show me one person that understands it yet. All I see is people wanting to see proof, then the same people after showing them proof will be the same ones that come back and say how do you do this and that.
I have all of the US, Canadian and European patents x-blade on disk. What strikes me is not just differences in wording from one patent to another but there are pictorial differences in some of the schematics. Coil orientation is one of them and phase angle's is another. It's almost as if someone has been into the documents and swapped a few things around to confuse.
I have all of the US, Canadian and European patents x-blade on disk. What strikes me is not just differences in wording from one patent to another but there are pictorial differences in some of the schematics. Coil orientation is one of them and phase angle's is another. It's almost as if someone has been into the documents and swapped a few things around to confuse.
Ronnie has given us a foundation with the DC impedance matching and it looks to me like no one has done their homework as Russ suggested we will need to do.
Seriously, did anyone spend a few hours playing with the spreadsheet I posted? If you did you will realize several things straight away. If you mess with the turns ratio, you're hosed. If you mess with the resistance on the primary side, you're hosed. If you mess with the resistance on the secondary side, you're hosed. If you add or subtract turns someplace you better balance it or... You're hosed.
So what's left to adjust?
Do you see anywhere on that spreadsheet frequency? No you don't.
How about core parameters? Nothing there either.
If you adjust the voltage when the VIC is matched, what do you see? You see the power-out still equals power-in and everything stays matched.
So we have three completely independent variables left we can adjust that will match the VIC to the cell. And the core just needs to be fairly high permeability so we don't have stray flux all over the place. That leaves two variables. Ronnie already stated to start at low voltage and tune the frequency a little at a time, then go to a slightly higher voltage and tune again. Keep doing this until you hit the 12 volts max. No magic there. Once you get up to the 12 volts, don't make any frequency adjustments or you'll fry your VIC.
Come on guys, quit bickering about needing fancy test equipment, scope shots and visual proof. The math is right there staring you in the face.
Do the homework and lets get building or rebuilding if you already screwed up.
Look at your core, figure out what wire to use, make some bobbins starting with the primary, shoot for a 1 : 6 turns ratio, plug in the numbers and try to get as close as you can. The magic is in how this thing really does what Ronnie says it does, not in building it. Ronnie has given us enough to solve that part if we get serious and crunch some numbers. That's my take on it anyway. If Ronnie has more to add that will improve this process, I'm sure he will tell us.
M@
If anybody is close to Kingsport TN I have a Tektronix 4 channel scope for sale
If anybody is close to Kingsport TN I have a Tektronix 4 channel scope for sale
can you pm me ? Is the scope insulated or non insulated?
I couldn't find a way to pm... I'm assuming it's insulated ...it's a 2246
How Much?