Quote from jeremy gwilt on September 2nd, 2016, 09:17 AM

no, i havent tried different configurations like that yet. i am still just driving L1 with a square wave, leaving L2 open for glowy plasma fun or rectifying it for output. im still looking for an MPPT controller that will handle up to 1000v at least.

you find one DO let us know :)

Quote from dennisforrest on August 31st, 2016, 01:11 PM

Hello Russ,
I'm happy you're interested in my help :) Actually as a newbe probably it's the best thing I can do... ;)
Let me 10 days to come back (I'm travelling now), and I'll start looking all videos, maybe I'll ask you something else :)

About a place where save notes, what you think to use a WIKI? There's many php software that do it, and I think can be useful (I'm a sw programmer and use it daily...).

What we can do is:

- take notes of the key parts (notes the time of the starting-ending point of the video)
- create a doc (wiki better) with instruction step by step with linked the key parts video

Let me know what you think! ;)

bye!
Denis

yes that would be EXTREMLY HELPFULL!

i can add those noted in each video. i can make a play list of just those videos for you. if your gonna watch them... you may as well take highlights and times of those there of. then i can grab those highlights and use them in the video i would like to make but done have the time to do what your going to do!

please PM me and we can work closer on it if we need to.

THANKS!

Quote from Vortex Joe on September 1st, 2016, 02:49 PM

Has anyone been able to use a transformer on the output of the coil to step down the voltage and get a proper V/A ratio? I haven't yet. Im thinking of pulsing the coil with a DC source (precharged 12v supercap pack) and rectifing the output and running it through this unit... http://www.ebay.ca/ulk/itm/351822805787

I realize there is losses but would be interesting to see what kind of output that unit can provide in this circuit. Maybe I can loop it back to the super cap pack and extend the run time? Or dare I say it ;) thoughts?

i have started this kind of testing but have not gotten far yet... i bought a 12V output PS kinda like that for testing. and i have a few more here ill test...

i still think that there is more to the story tho, but we need to test all possibilitys!

i'm looking forward to your tests and results so we can all head in the right direction and learn from each others tests!


~Russ

Jeremy or anyone I'm curious what your circuit draws to pulse the coil from a DC source and what the current/voltage is on the output side. Do you have any measurements handy? Can you adjust the voltage so you get 340VDC, if so what is the current at that voltage?

I'm waiting on parts to show up and the curiosity is killing me :)

Im asking cause that unit I posted will output decent current back to the source for charging.
1a@340v would give you 25a@12v as a ratio...I emailed the guy. So even if it was 100mA@340V input you would get 2.5A@output.

im running 28 awg, but it will all rely heavily on what drive circuit you are using etc as well....i will say you will have a hard time keeping the spikes below 340v. thats where an MPPT circuit would help.....the spikes wouldnt get clipped and dampened out as much (thats the idea anyways). i would suggest going over russ's long live feed videos. thats probably the best resource at the moment.

I've ordered that DC to DC converter to play with and as usual I found one that I want more. This guy takes up to 1200v input, may be worth checking out. When mine shows up I'll let you know how it works.
http://www.mornsun-power.com/uploads/pdf/PV40-27Bxx.pdf

Joe, that's quite a module.   I can't find a source for it yet, but maybe you could request a sample or two.

http://www.mornsun-power.com/html/support/SampleRequest.html

that is a pretty beefy model! i thik that is a PWM controller.....it shows 84% efficiency (which is still very good!) . MPPT controllers are closer to 97-98% and up, which is the only reason im still seeking a good HV one.
looking forward to it!

i'm still not sure why we cant find some kind of simple converter to feed a lower voltage PS or MPPT. ? am i miss thinking something?

~Russ

Has anyone connected a bridge rectifier to the output and let that just charge some caps to see how high they go?   After a little running they should be about half the peak-to-peak voltage one sees on the scope.  If that's not the case, then the Rodin coil is doing something rather interesting.

for myself, ive just always wanted to see how high frequency an mppt can handle. its basically the perfect cap dump, with awesome conversion rates.
even just putting an mp3 player signal through a 6v phase lock loop circuit gave me 200v+ swings on L2. id like to see a circuit that will absorb nearly that whole spike and redirect (convert) it instead of clamping the spike with a high capacitance load. all curiosity.....

Yes I have connected my 1kv caps to the rectifier and get voltages higher than my meters capabilities (600v). This proves to me the voltage is very usable. Also lighting 300 LEDs in series confirmed (add voltage drops) that the DC voltage is real. So my next step is to see if I can step the voltage down to a universally used easily measurable level while increasing the current. This brought me to the Buck version DC to DC converter that can handle higher voltage (not many out there... Only boost), it is essentially the equivalent to a step down AC transformer only DC. Using an AC transformer I wasnt able to get higher current with the stepped down voltage (maybe I don't have the proper transformer type). So maybe someone out there can build a simple DC converter capable of high voltage? I can't so I bought one with high enough input voltage capability I feel comfortable it will meet my needs. I will be powering the circuit with 12v and will be able to measure the input power easily without error and also measure 12v power from the output of the DC converter. I will also precharge a 12v super cap bank as my power source and from the output of the 12v converter and attempt to loop the circuit. I am currently waiting on parts, probably 2 weeks.

Quote from Matt Watts on September 7th, 2016, 06:01 PM

Has anyone connected a bridge rectifier to the output and let that just charge some caps to see how high they go?   After a little running they should be about half the peak-to-peak voltage one sees on the scope.  If that's not the case, then the Rodin coil is doing something rather interesting.

i did try to run my output back to a one of those PS like we see 00& has ( altho he states its a DC-DC converter) but sure matches a PS insted...

but i haven't just tried to see if i can charge caps.

i still want to play with that microwave inverter and run the power back in to it... should be ezy, just need to find some more time... finding more time = less sleep.

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ on September 8th, 2016, 09:38 AM

i still want to play with that microwave inverter and run the power back in to it... should be ezy, just need to find some more time... finding more time = less sleep.

~Russ

You should take a week off with your family, go somewhere you can't access the interwebs from.
Meanwhile we will be right here wrecking the forum silly............but don't worry, be happy :D

yes you are right. and i will be doing just that some time soon. ( except with my wife only, we are going to Haiti for missions trip, I'm teaching science to the kids there. )

but thats off topic so we can talk about it else where :)

~Russ 

PS. no internet there...

Quote from ~Russ on September 8th, 2016, 10:14 AM

PS. no internet there...

Heaven on Earth, good to hear :thumbsup: :)

The internet is wonderful maybe you could teach them how inter connected networks can share more information of higher quality to advance man hour work by leveraging brain power. To unplug is to die... :) have fun

Quote from ~Russ on June 25th, 2016, 08:52 PM

Just FYI. Wether it's deraild or not. I'm saying please keep posting.

Like I said a few days back. All feed back is welcome and I will move the non related or " theory" out of this thred for it to keep going.
Untill then. Keep posting.

After I split the thred. Then we can call it derailed if we need to.

I'm still quite positive about this all and Way Way more testing need to be done before we have much to say.

I already proved one effect that 007 and others have seen. And we can see that is is indeed a power factor meserment error. So now to see if we can get to what 007 showed in his first setup. That is the black box converter.

007 told me directly that that was a key component. But everything is a "net work"

So we keep moving forward.

Chins up everyone.

One day at a time.

~Russ

"I already proved one effect that 007 and others have seen. And we can see that is is indeed a power factor meserment error."

Hi Russ, i ve seen some hours of the live videos, when you were testing the lamps alone and with the capacitor bank, and sometimes you said you were observing the "phenomena". Those were all mesurements errors?

im cutting a phi 36x36 to start testing.

thank you very much for this wonderfull work
congratulations
bruno

Quote from brunozr on September 23rd, 2016, 04:50 PM

"I already proved one effect that 007 and others have seen. And we can see that is is indeed a power factor meserment error."

Hi Russ, i ve seen some hours of the live videos, when you were testing the lamps alone and with the capacitor bank, and sometimes you said you were observing the "phenomena". Those were all mesurements errors?

some measurements i can through out. but others were real resentments. not errors.

we are working with AC so we can not use the calculation E x I , this is called "apparent power"
we must use E x I x Power factor this is called "True power"

so the analog and digital meters will be reading the OU effect. and those meters are reading correctly, however we also need to use a watt meter. it will calculate the  E x I x Power factor.

my O scope will read this correctly and i can then calculate the "True Power" 

note every channel on my O-scope is isolated. so make sure if you use a scope that you measure one point at a time.

hope this makes sense!

~Russ

it took sometime but its here
phi 36x36
just to share

Looks real nice.   Is that laser cut MDF?

yes, 3 mm laser cut MDF.
I still have to try the wires, if it works fine i m going to post the files.

nice work!! looks really cool! ~Russ

hi friends

first coil has been successfully wound.
24 wires (22 awg)

i advise 23 awg if someone decides do use the same design because 22 awg is almost too tight
to cross inside the vortex

files attached

light to everyone

picture...

looks good! whats on the list for testing? ~Russ

 Russ you can get rid of the problem of ozone creation by submersing the coil in mineral oil. That would allow you to go beyond the ozone creation barrier. But I hate to be a stickler about this, using AC as the input is very dangerous. It is destructive to all life and materials. Using the impulse method can make this very very stable and safe since the impulses only go in one direction they energize the secondary and not oscillate it. You should get a DC output or DC like.
 There is a very good reason they shield microwaves, try to remember that.

 If you parallel the output coil you should get way more output in amps. That would mean you series the primary. Think of it like a transformer. Gauge also helps in that but try to balance the weight of the primary to secondary exactly or breakdowns will occur between the primary to the secondary. With an oil bath a lot of the problems will disappear since oxygen and other elements in the air can not interact with the coil and ruin the insulation. Try to remove all air around the coil. Either boil it or use a vacuum to remove the air from the immersed coil.