VIC Coil

TonyWoodside

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #125, on April 14th, 2012, 06:48 PM »
Yea a lot of HV ignition coils are placed in mineral oil and the same goes for power grid transformers. There are two main reasons for the oil, 1) keep the coils cool, 2) it greatly reduces arcing with in the coil.

Webmug

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #126, on April 16th, 2012, 03:17 AM »Last edited on April 16th, 2012, 07:51 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 14th, 2012, 10:22 AM
Quote
Question: btw. how do you tune in without pickup coil? :)
calculate and test and check... o scope

I really don't think we need a self tune... water vapor. the same all the time...

tune and go...

one more question. Should we put this in an oil bath??? if we get 20,000 volts to 90,000 volts. these connectors are so close... oil bath is the only way.

otherwise we would have a nice arc show. :)

???

~Russ
Hi,

Placing it in an oil bath, there is a hole in the box (leakage :)) and there is a RS232 connector I/O terminal? This is not 20kV proof, even with oil bath if it's sealed.

What I'm thinking is this Injector coil secondary should generate a lot more voltage than the 5 coiler VIC unit, so tuning in on the secondary resonance should also be done.

The Injector VIC should work the same as 5 VIC unit as you said the Injector is more stable as the WFC. But has higher voltage and has improvements.

Nice to learn things from the Injector VIC specs/measurements and the 5 VIC and reverse. :D

I'm building a new pulse/gate circuit connected to my waveform generator and have better controls pulsing and gating the primary coil.

I want to reproduce my old scope shot where my choke outputs HV pulse when gate went OFF on resonance. Fingers crossed...

Br,
Webmug

~Russ

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #127, on April 16th, 2012, 11:29 PM »Last edited on April 16th, 2012, 11:31 PM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
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Placing it in an oil bath, there is a hole in the box (leakage :)) and there is a RS232 connector I/O terminal? This is not 20kV proof, even with oil bath if it's sealed.
i have always wondered this in all of stan's work..

but... i think i just figured it out... look at the bottom.  

The bottom is for the spark plug wire...??? the top is for the input/feedback if there is one...

[attachment=1246]

looks like threads or something to retain the HV plug cable???

[attachment=1245]


just some observations. :)

~Russ
RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #128, on April 17th, 2012, 02:07 AM »
tony/everyone,

dose this look correct?

[attachment=1247]

thanks,
~Russ

Webmug

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #129, on April 17th, 2012, 02:22 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 17th, 2012, 02:07 AM
tony/everyone,

dose this look correct?



thanks,
~Russ
Russ,

Are the chokes L1 L2 output spark plug wire guided to the side or top of the box to the hole? The top cap has room for it.

Br,
Webmug



~Russ

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #130, on April 17th, 2012, 03:08 AM »
Quote from Webmug on April 17th, 2012, 02:22 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 17th, 2012, 02:07 AM
tony/everyone,

dose this look correct?



thanks,
~Russ
Russ,

Are the chokes L1 L2 output spark plug wire guided to the side or top of the box to the hole? The top cap has room for it.

Br,
Webmug
im not sure but from the looks of it i think there is some kinda HV connecter that may go on these terminals???  there almost must be? then the bottom hole has some kinda screw/push thing that holds the wire from coming back out?  

I feel that that this coil should create 20KV on the out put then the resonant cavity will increase that to up to 90kv according to this statement.
Quote
applied voltage level of intensity (typically 20,000 input volts or so) can be extended or increased up
to and beyond 90,000 volts range within a millisecond or less.
???

so if there was just some hv rubber caps over those terminals then we are good...

Nate, did you you out what kinda connecters those are? i know you found some connecters but what about the wire side?  

~Russ

TonyWoodside

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #131, on April 17th, 2012, 04:36 AM »
you need to also remember that Stan talks about the injector cavity itself increasing the applied voltage from the coil. He also says that the injector frequency is made for higher frequencies up to 50khz.

Jeff Nading

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #132, on April 17th, 2012, 05:53 AM »
Question I have is if the vic was in an oil bath, then why is there rust all over the core? :huh:  Oil would prevent rust from forming.:D

~Russ

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #133, on April 17th, 2012, 06:56 AM »
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 17th, 2012, 05:53 AM
Question I have is if the vic was in an oil bath, then why is there rust all over the core? :huh:  Oil would prevent rust from forming.:D
I think that one was a demo unit... Or somthing... It was never used. Don stated it did not even have any wire on it. And it looks that way.
~Russ

Sharky

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #134, on April 17th, 2012, 10:06 AM »Last edited on April 17th, 2012, 10:06 AM by Sharky
Hey Russ,
Saw your video on the SS wire HV test (nice arcing by the way :cool: ) and you were saying max voltage was about 3KV to 4KV but between wires there is double insulation so that will actually be higher than what you tested with the crocodile clamp.

firepinto

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #135, on April 17th, 2012, 02:37 PM »Last edited on April 17th, 2012, 02:39 PM by firepinto
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 17th, 2012, 03:08 AM
Quote from Webmug on April 17th, 2012, 02:22 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 17th, 2012, 02:07 AM
tony/everyone,

dose this look correct?



thanks,
~Russ
Russ,

Are the chokes L1 L2 output spark plug wire guided to the side or top of the box to the hole? The top cap has room for it.

Br,
Webmug
im not sure but from the looks of it i think there is some kinda HV connecter that may go on these terminals???  there almost must be? then the bottom hole has some kinda screw/push thing that holds the wire from coming back out?  

I feel that that this coil should create 20KV on the out put then the resonant cavity will increase that to up to 90kv according to this statement.
Quote
applied voltage level of intensity (typically 20,000 input volts or so) can be extended or increased up
to and beyond 90,000 volts range within a millisecond or less.
???

so if there was just some hv rubber caps over those terminals then we are good...

Nate, did you you out what kinda connecters those are? i know you found some connecters but what about the wire side?  

~Russ
As far as I can tell those turret terminals are made to have the wire wrapped on them.  Possibly why he used them since the stainless wire doesn't solder?  I've seen old school phone systems with the wire just wrapped on posts with no soldering.  I've only been able to find the double turret terminals, not the single one's in the estate pics.  Double would be better i think so that you could also wrap the wire coming into the coil.  As for a insulator boot I haven't seen anything for that.  Maybe he planned on coating the entire coil in the same stuff he used on the EPG?
As for the wiring, I don't get why he used a 15 pin D connector if he only had 2 wires connected to it.

Nate

Rider

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #136, on April 17th, 2012, 09:24 PM »Last edited on April 17th, 2012, 09:39 PM by Rider
Hi Russ,

In your image there is no connection to the diode?

Secondary AWG 36 looks like allright.
Primary AWG 22 looks like allright.

How do you plan to wind the secondary coil?
I was thinking you need to wrap tape around the SS-wraps and then wrap the secondary on this tape but I find this amateuristic given the fact that Stan paid so much attention to the coil design.

Rider

~Russ

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #137, on April 17th, 2012, 09:58 PM »
Quote from Rider on April 17th, 2012, 09:24 PM
Hi Russ,

In your image there is no connection to the diode?

Secondary AWG 36 looks like allright.
Primary AWG 22 looks like allright.

Rider
yes. no diode in the drawing, still got to do some work on that one... :)

 ... but until i know the voltages I'm getting out of the VIC i dont know what voltage diode ill need.

thanks for the feed back, ~Russ

Muxar

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #138, on April 18th, 2012, 02:41 PM »
Hi guys!
i know you are making a great job but, i was asking myself that, is it the permeability the clue? stan says that he uses a simple alternator to restrict the amp flow and it looks like it fits well in his system because he says he uses just 10 watts to run an engine on water in his first run:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YnGrasrDxI&list=UUvuuCeBWki2cgaIHX9DGctw&index=8&feature=plcp

or the permeability is only important for the primary and the secondary but not the chokes?
he makes us feel that it´s very easy to run a car on water!!

xxzeropiontxx

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #139, on April 18th, 2012, 03:51 PM »
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 14th, 2012, 06:32 PM
Quote from firepinto on April 14th, 2012, 04:24 PM
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 14th, 2012, 03:05 PM
Quote from firepinto on April 14th, 2012, 02:25 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 14th, 2012, 01:59 PM
i also believe the same... its one interesting design... and the interesting thing is it makes perfect sense.  i still to this day have know reason why this type of system will not work the way stan built it... :) i believe :)  its all there... :)


well... i don't know but if you look at how stan incased the VIC... it was in a solid aluminum block case...

1. it was to shield the emf coming from the coil.
2 it was so it could be filled with oil. like most high voltage coils.  

i don't know just thinking out loud as i find it hard to believe that even if there is 0 amp flow that you will still have some leakage... high voltage is high voltage and it wants to go some where! lol

the studs are so close to each other and also to the core... just seems that it may arc.

and last the primary is thick wire and low ohms ... this will make for it wanting to heat up... ??? so oil will cool it...???

thanks guys!!! ~Russ
I think an oil bath is a good idea.  The way the aluminum case is designed, it could be adapted very easily to be liquid tight.  The bottom wire hole is round, and could be sealed.  There seems to be mounting holes for a bottom D shell socket 'inside' of the case.  While the top D shell socket is mounted on the outside of the case, being above oil level.  There is plenty of room to install a rubber gasket on between the cover and the case.  

Jeff, what kind of 3D files does your CNC mill use? :idea:

Nate
Actually it's not CNC but I could mill something just the same, just if you could give me dimensions and I'll see what I can do, should not be a problem.
Oh ok, I must of been thinking of your plasma.   I was just thinking out loud.  lol  I don't need one made, but I figured if I get bored in a hotel someday I might draw up the box in 3D.:)

Nate
Yes do it Nate, I'll see if I can print one in wax then cast it in aluminum, but see if you  can make it hollow with some support in it, Jeff.
the aluminum case might protect from stray microwaves from the coils just a thought

Jeff Nading

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #140, on April 18th, 2012, 06:05 PM »Last edited on April 18th, 2012, 06:11 PM by Jeff Nading
Quote from xxzeropiontxx on April 18th, 2012, 03:51 PM
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 14th, 2012, 06:32 PM
Quote from firepinto on April 14th, 2012, 04:24 PM
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 14th, 2012, 03:05 PM
Quote from firepinto on April 14th, 2012, 02:25 PM
I think an oil bath is a good idea.  The way the aluminum case is designed, it could be adapted very easily to be liquid tight.  The bottom wire hole is round, and could be sealed.  There seems to be mounting holes for a bottom D shell socket 'inside' of the case.  While the top D shell socket is mounted on the outside of the case, being above oil level.  There is plenty of room to install a rubber gasket on between the cover and the case.  

Jeff, what kind of 3D files does your CNC mill use? :idea:

Nate
Actually it's not CNC but I could mill something just the same, just if you could give me dimensions and I'll see what I can do, should not be a problem.
Oh ok, I must of been thinking of your plasma.   I was just thinking out loud.  lol  I don't need one made, but I figured if I get bored in a hotel someday I might draw up the box in 3D.:)

Nate
Yes do it Nate, I'll see if I can print one in wax then cast it in aluminum, but see if you  can make it hollow with some support in it, Jeff.
the aluminum case might protect from stray microwaves from the coils just a thought
Even though the vic produces high voltage it does not produce MW's. I use to repair MW ovens. What you have to remember is that the vic is not a magnetron. The magnetron is what develops the MW's not the vic.:D
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavity_magnetron
I'm not saying that there wouldn't be any kind of radiation from the vic, in the form of magnetic fields of some kind but I don't think there would be any MW's present.

~Russ

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #141, on April 19th, 2012, 12:00 AM »
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 18th, 2012, 06:05 PM
Quote from xxzeropiontxx on April 18th, 2012, 03:51 PM
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 14th, 2012, 06:32 PM
Quote from firepinto on April 14th, 2012, 04:24 PM
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 14th, 2012, 03:05 PM
Actually it's not CNC but I could mill something just the same, just if you could give me dimensions and I'll see what I can do, should not be a problem.
Oh ok, I must of been thinking of your plasma.   I was just thinking out loud.  lol  I don't need one made, but I figured if I get bored in a hotel someday I might draw up the box in 3D.:)

Nate
Yes do it Nate, I'll see if I can print one in wax then cast it in aluminum, but see if you  can make it hollow with some support in it, Jeff.
the aluminum case might protect from stray microwaves from the coils just a thought
Even though the vic produces high voltage it does not produce MW's. I use to repair MW ovens. What you have to remember is that the vic is not a magnetron. The magnetron is what develops the MW's not the vic.:D
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavity_magnetron
I'm not saying that there wouldn't be any kind of radiation from the vic, in the form of magnetic fields of some kind but I don't think there would be any MW's present.
yes but... Electromagnetic radiation... that's radiation. and if we get to that high of a frequency we could put off microwaves of sorts... (we wont get that high) but on the other hand i believe we are playing with scalar wave Electromagnetic radiation and that can be harmful...  as can any over exposer to Electromagnetic radiation...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation
Quote
The effects of electromagnetic radiation upon living cells, including those in humans, depends upon the power and the frequency of the radiation. For low-frequency radiation (radio waves to visible light) the best-understood effects are those due to radiation power alone, acting through the effect of simple heating when the radiation is absorbed by the cell. For these thermal effects, the frequency of the radiation is important only as it affects radiation penetration into the organism (for example microwaves penetrate better than infrared). Initially, it was believed that low frequency fields that were too weak to cause significant heating could not possibly have any biological effect.[6]

Despite this opinion among researchers, evidence has accumulated that supports the existence of complex biological effects of weaker non-thermal electromagnetic fields, (including weak ELF magnetic fields, although the latter does not strictly qualify as EM radiation[6][7][8]), and modulated RF and microwave fields.[9][10][11] Fundamental mechanisms of the interaction between biological material and electromagnetic fields at non-thermal levels are not fully understood.[6] Bioelectromagnetics is the study of these interactions and effects.

The World Health Organization has classified radiofrequency electromagnetic radiation as a possible group 2b carcinogen.[12][13] This group contains possible carcinogens with weaker evidence, at the same level as coffee and automobile exhaust. For example, there have been a number of epidemiological studies of looking for a relationship between cell phone use and brain cancer development, which have been largely inconclusive, save to demonstrate that the effect, if it exists, cannot be a large one. See the main article referenced above.

At higher frequencies (visible and beyond), the effects of individual photons of the radiation begin to become important, as these now have enough energy individually directly or indirectly to damage biological molecules. [14] All frequences of UV radiation have been classed as Group 1 carcinogens by the World Health Organization. Ultraviolet radiation from sun exposure is the primary cause of skin cancer.[15][16]

Thus, at UV frequencies and higher (and probably somewhat also in the visible range)[17], electromagnetic radiation does far more damage to biological systems than simple heating predicts. This is most obvious in the "far" (or "extreme") ultraviolet, and also X-ray and gamma radiation, are referred to as ionizing radiation due to the ability of photons of this radiation to produce ions and free radicals in materials (including living tissue). Since such radiation can produce severe damage to life at powers that produce very little heating, it is considered far more dangerous (in terms of damage-produced per unit of energy, or power) than the rest of the electromagnetic spectrum.
i have gotten sick from my Rodin coils... one in particular, i was using high power and a lot of eddy currents... stoped playing with felt better,,, started playing with it again and got sick... was not a good feeling. haven't " played" with that coil much scene... need a Faraday cage...

Play safe!

PS... ( my thought is that most inverters kill them self's unintentionally due to over exposure to things they dont understand, and some times they bring there family down with them... ) just something to think about... :)

~Russ

Jeff Nading

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #142, on April 19th, 2012, 04:10 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 19th, 2012, 12:00 AM
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 18th, 2012, 06:05 PM
Quote from xxzeropiontxx on April 18th, 2012, 03:51 PM
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 14th, 2012, 06:32 PM
Quote from firepinto on April 14th, 2012, 04:24 PM
Oh ok, I must of been thinking of your plasma.   I was just thinking out loud.  lol  I don't need one made, but I figured if I get bored in a hotel someday I might draw up the box in 3D.:)

Nate
Yes do it Nate, I'll see if I can print one in wax then cast it in aluminum, but see if you  can make it hollow with some support in it, Jeff.
the aluminum case might protect from stray microwaves from the coils just a thought
Even though the vic produces high voltage it does not produce MW's. I use to repair MW ovens. What you have to remember is that the vic is not a magnetron. The magnetron is what develops the MW's not the vic.:D
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavity_magnetron
I'm not saying that there wouldn't be any kind of radiation from the vic, in the form of magnetic fields of some kind but I don't think there would be any MW's present.
yes but... Electromagnetic radiation... that's radiation. and if we get to that high of a frequency we could put off microwaves of sorts... (we wont get that high) but on the other hand i believe we are playing with scalar wave Electromagnetic radiation and that can be harmful...  as can any over exposer to Electromagnetic radiation...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation
Quote
The effects of electromagnetic radiation upon living cells, including those in humans, depends upon the power and the frequency of the radiation. For low-frequency radiation (radio waves to visible light) the best-understood effects are those due to radiation power alone, acting through the effect of simple heating when the radiation is absorbed by the cell. For these thermal effects, the frequency of the radiation is important only as it affects radiation penetration into the organism (for example microwaves penetrate better than infrared). Initially, it was believed that low frequency fields that were too weak to cause significant heating could not possibly have any biological effect.[6]

Despite this opinion among researchers, evidence has accumulated that supports the existence of complex biological effects of weaker non-thermal electromagnetic fields, (including weak ELF magnetic fields, although the latter does not strictly qualify as EM radiation[6][7][8]), and modulated RF and microwave fields.[9][10][11] Fundamental mechanisms of the interaction between biological material and electromagnetic fields at non-thermal levels are not fully understood.[6] Bioelectromagnetics is the study of these interactions and effects.

The World Health Organization has classified radiofrequency electromagnetic radiation as a possible group 2b carcinogen.[12][13] This group contains possible carcinogens with weaker evidence, at the same level as coffee and automobile exhaust. For example, there have been a number of epidemiological studies of looking for a relationship between cell phone use and brain cancer development, which have been largely inconclusive, save to demonstrate that the effect, if it exists, cannot be a large one. See the main article referenced above.

At higher frequencies (visible and beyond), the effects of individual photons of the radiation begin to become important, as these now have enough energy individually directly or indirectly to damage biological molecules. [14] All frequences of UV radiation have been classed as Group 1 carcinogens by the World Health Organization. Ultraviolet radiation from sun exposure is the primary cause of skin cancer.[15][16]

Thus, at UV frequencies and higher (and probably somewhat also in the visible range)[17], electromagnetic radiation does far more damage to biological systems than simple heating predicts. This is most obvious in the "far" (or "extreme") ultraviolet, and also X-ray and gamma radiation, are referred to as ionizing radiation due to the ability of photons of this radiation to produce ions and free radicals in materials (including living tissue). Since such radiation can produce severe damage to life at powers that produce very little heating, it is considered far more dangerous (in terms of damage-produced per unit of energy, or power) than the rest of the electromagnetic spectrum.
i have gotten sick from my Rodin coils... one in particular, i was using high power and a lot of eddy currents... stoped playing with felt better,,, started playing with it again and got sick... was not a good feeling. haven't " played" with that coil much scene... need a Faraday cage...

Play safe!

PS... ( my thought is that most inverters kill them self's unintentionally due to over exposure to things they dont understand, and some times they bring there family down with them... ) just something to think about... :)

~Russ
That's the jest of what I said, thanks.:D

~Russ

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #143, on April 19th, 2012, 04:25 AM »Last edited on April 19th, 2012, 04:27 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
well... there is to Manny ways to determine what the primary really should look like...

so I'm kinda making my own.

first i have one wrap over the inductors...
just so i can test it or use it as feed back...
[attachment=1282]
[attachment=1285]
[attachment=1284]
The second one i haven't wrapped yet but is going to be a full wrap one wire  start to finish "longitudinal wrapped"  "space relationship" (to each wire on the primary) then back on top of the first layer " layered bidirectional " (opposite) "across spiral-wrap coils" the full length...  " dual primary" i think means 2 layers but I'm not sure...

there is 3 cavitys:

inductors are in the (red) cavity's "forming individual
spiral-wrap  coils" bobbin (502)

the primary (Green) is wrapped a "longitudinal wrapped across spiral-wrap coils" in a signal cavity  " layered bidirectional " like a normal solenoid coil...  bobbin (504)

and secondary cavity's (Blue) wrapped just like the inductors but a single wire...
"composed of individual spiral wrapped
coils"  bobbin (506)

[attachment=1286]
[attachment=1281]

been really trying to figure it out... lol kinda wordy but that's stan for ya! :)

Blessings! ~Russ

Jeff Nading

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #144, on April 19th, 2012, 05:05 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 19th, 2012, 04:25 AM
well... there is to Manny ways to determine what the primary really should look like...

so I'm kinda making my own.

first i have one wrap over the inductors...
just so i can test it or use it as feed back...



The second one i haven't wrapped yet but is going to be a full wrap one wire  start to finish "longitudinal wrapped"  "space relationship" (to each wire on the primary) then back on top of the first layer " layered bidirectional " (opposite) "across spiral-wrap coils" the full length...  " dual primary" i think means 2 layers but I'm not sure...

there is 3 cavitys:

inductors are in the (red) cavity's "forming individual
spiral-wrap  coils" bobbin (502)

the primary (Green) is wrapped a "longitudinal wrapped across spiral-wrap coils" in a signal cavity  " layered bidirectional " like a normal solenoid coil...  bobbin (504)

and secondary cavity's (Blue) wrapped just like the inductors but a single wire...
"composed of individual spiral wrapped
coils"  bobbin (506)




been really trying to figure it out... lol kinda wordy but that's stan for ya! :)

Blessings! ~Russ
Very nice work Russ.

~Russ

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #145, on April 19th, 2012, 05:29 AM »Last edited on April 19th, 2012, 05:30 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote
Very nice work Russ.
Thanks Jeff !

~Russ

securesupplies

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #146, on April 19th, 2012, 05:53 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 19th, 2012, 04:25 AM
well... there is to Manny ways to determine what the primary really should look like...

so I'm kinda making my own.

first i have one wrap over the inductors...
just so i can test it or use it as feed back...



The second one i haven't wrapped yet but is going to be a full wrap one wire  start to finish "longitudinal wrapped"  "space relationship" (to each wire on the primary) then back on top of the first layer " layered bidirectional " (opposite) "across spiral-wrap coils" the full length...  " dual primary" i think means 2 layers but I'm not sure...

there is 3 cavitys:

inductors are in the (red) cavity's "forming individual
spiral-wrap  coils" bobbin (502)

the primary (Green) is wrapped a "longitudinal wrapped across spiral-wrap coils" in a signal cavity  " layered bidirectional " like a normal solenoid coil...  bobbin (504)

and secondary cavity's (Blue) wrapped just like the inductors but a single wire...
"composed of individual spiral wrapped
coils"  bobbin (506)




been really trying to figure it out... lol kinda wordy but that's stan for ya! :)

Blessings! ~Russ
RUSS

A little blast working shield may be needed.
to block any stray emf. Chuck it on wheels and roll it in front of you with a little window I am thing aluminium riot shield but smaller.

even old batteries can be used as shield as LEAD, I read some Where lead batteries are the best to stop Gamma worl out a way to
  stack up up in front of your work space or something before nuking the place with EMF.

Dan

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #147, on April 19th, 2012, 07:06 AM »
Quote from firepinto on April 17th, 2012, 02:37 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 17th, 2012, 03:08 AM
Quote from Webmug on April 17th, 2012, 02:22 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 17th, 2012, 02:07 AM
tony/everyone,

dose this look correct?



thanks,
~Russ
Russ,

Are the chokes L1 L2 output spark plug wire guided to the side or top of the box to the hole? The top cap has room for it.

Br,
Webmug
im not sure but from the looks of it i think there is some kinda HV connecter that may go on these terminals???  there almost must be? then the bottom hole has some kinda screw/push thing that holds the wire from coming back out?  

I feel that that this coil should create 20KV on the out put then the resonant cavity will increase that to up to 90kv according to this statement.
Quote
applied voltage level of intensity (typically 20,000 input volts or so) can be extended or increased up
to and beyond 90,000 volts range within a millisecond or less.
???

so if there was just some hv rubber caps over those terminals then we are good...

Nate, did you you out what kinda connecters those are? i know you found some connecters but what about the wire side?  

~Russ
As far as I can tell those turret terminals are made to have the wire wrapped on them.  Possibly why he used them since the stainless wire doesn't solder?  I've seen old school phone systems with the wire just wrapped on posts with no soldering.  I've only been able to find the double turret terminals, not the single one's in the estate pics.  Double would be better i think so that you could also wrap the wire coming into the coil.  As for a insulator boot I haven't seen anything for that.  Maybe he planned on coating the entire coil in the same stuff he used on the EPG?
As for the wiring, I don't get why he used a 15 pin D connector if he only had 2 wires connected to it.

Nate
NATE

As follows Last I looked

How to source and find Pin Connectors


the pin terminals Stan used on the Multi spool VIC. I think I found something that will work:

http://www.keyelco.com/pdfs/M60/M60p136.pdf

They are called insulated single turret threaded terminals. I found double turrets, but not singles so far: http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/1780500...11350.html
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Vic Style 2 Bobbion Final guide (in Progress)

Daniel
RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #148, on April 19th, 2012, 07:10 AM »Last edited on April 19th, 2012, 08:13 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from Muxar on April 18th, 2012, 02:41 PM
Hi guys!
i know you are making a great job but, i was asking myself that, is it the permeability the clue? stan says that he uses a simple alternator to restrict the amp flow and it looks like it fits well in his system because he says he uses just 10 watts to run an engine on water in his first run:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YnGrasrDxI&list=UUvuuCeBWki2cgaIHX9DGctw&index=8&feature=plcp

or the permeability is only important for the primary and the secondary but not the chokes?
he makes us feel that it´s very easy to run a car on water!!
NIce ONe
Thaks Dan
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 19th, 2012, 04:25 AM
well... there is to Manny ways to determine what the primary really should look like...

so I'm kinda making my own.

first i have one wrap over the inductors...
just so i can test it or use it as feed back...



The second one i haven't wrapped yet but is going to be a full wrap one wire  start to finish "longitudinal wrapped"  "space relationship" (to each wire on the primary) then back on top of the first layer " layered bidirectional " (opposite) "across spiral-wrap coils" the full length...  " dual primary" i think means 2 layers but I'm not sure...

there is 3 cavitys:

inductors are in the (red) cavity's "forming individual
spiral-wrap  coils" bobbin (502)

the primary (Green) is wrapped a "longitudinal wrapped across spiral-wrap coils" in a signal cavity  " layered bidirectional " like a normal solenoid coil...  bobbin (504)

and secondary cavity's (Blue) wrapped just like the inductors but a single wire...
"composed of individual spiral wrapped
coils"  bobbin (506)




been really trying to figure it out... lol kinda wordy but that's stan for ya! :)

Blessings! ~Russ
\
Russ ON this

Can you  write it out for people who know nothing about the wrapping?\


Coil inside
how is it wrapped?
bi filar parrelle  solot to slot or...........

wire used is
ss resistive wire       awg
length , turns per slot.

can be purchased from
www...


Coil Outside
how is it wrapped?
bi filar parrelle  solot to slot or...........
length , turns per slot.

wire used is
ss resistive wire      awg

can be purchased from
www...


All Helps as Many people should  try
to replicate.   right now and this will speed them up.

PS other See here

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PUbnIC9T4fFCtiWzO80ulQ7TnptSzliGQcu8V3DHzOo/edit
 

Daniel
RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #149, on April 20th, 2012, 02:36 PM »Last edited on April 20th, 2012, 02:51 PM by securesupplies
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 19th, 2012, 04:25 AM
well... there is to Manny ways to determine what the primary really should look like...

so I'm kinda making my own.

first i have one wrap over the inductors...
just so i can test it or use it as feed back...



The second one i haven't wrapped yet but is going to be a full wrap one wire  start to finish "longitudinal wrapped"  "space relationship" (to each wire on the primary) then back on top of the first layer " layered bidirectional " (opposite) "across spiral-wrap coils" the full length...  " dual primary" i think means 2 layers but I'm not sure...

there is 3 cavitys:

inductors are in the (red) cavity's "forming individual
spiral-wrap  coils" bobbin (502)

the primary (Green) is wrapped a "longitudinal wrapped across spiral-wrap coils" in a signal cavity  " layered bidirectional " like a normal solenoid coil...  bobbin (504)

and secondary cavity's (Blue) wrapped just like the inductors but a single wire...
"composed of individual spiral wrapped
coils"  bobbin (506)




been really trying to figure it out... lol kinda wordy but that's stan for ya! :)

Blessings! ~Russ
got this


notes


fond form last letter from stan

dan