Quote from Faisca on February 21st, 2013, 01:45 PM

Quote from Webmug on February 21st, 2013, 09:42 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 21st, 2013, 09:35 AM

Quote from Webmug on February 21st, 2013, 09:32 AM

Quote from Ray Don on February 20th, 2013, 02:03 PM

find your 0 referance ground, please

Yes! I know what you mean. My signal is AC. And so my scope shot is not exactly the same but if you connect resistance in the from of a WFC the reference isolated ground is forming unipolar signal ,this is my opinion.
You can see the step-charging in the inductor with AC.
Don't know how the unipolar was formed (didn't see a connection diagram etc) used perm. core turns, but there where two 3 inch WFC connected in series.

Regards,
Webmug

Ray don, where is your 0 refrence ground in your test? I don't rember if you stated it in your video. This would help.

Thanks ~Russ

To make it clear... "isolated ground" is not a physical connection to anywhere with a wire.

Regards,
Webmug

If you are an ordinary oscilloscope, already grounded via outlet in the land of installation

You can use the probes as a differential setup, no ground attached!
The VIC is a electro static field generator so the probes are picking it up without physical connection. Example, if you connect scope ground probe you pulling it to 0 level :D

Regards,
Webmug

Quote from Webmug on February 22nd, 2013, 10:54 AM

Quote from Faisca on February 21st, 2013, 01:45 PM

Quote from Webmug on February 21st, 2013, 09:42 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 21st, 2013, 09:35 AM

Quote from Webmug on February 21st, 2013, 09:32 AM

Yes! I know what you mean. My signal is AC. And so my scope shot is not exactly the same but if you connect resistance in the from of a WFC the reference isolated ground is forming unipolar signal ,this is my opinion.
You can see the step-charging in the inductor with AC.
Don't know how the unipolar was formed (didn't see a connection diagram etc) used perm. core turns, but there where two 3 inch WFC connected in series.

Regards,
Webmug

Ray don, where is your 0 refrence ground in your test? I don't rember if you stated it in your video. This would help.

Thanks ~Russ

To make it clear... "isolated ground" is not a physical connection to anywhere with a wire.

Regards,
Webmug

If you are an ordinary oscilloscope, already grounded via outlet in the land of installation

You can use the probes as a differential setup, no ground attached!
The VIC is a electro static field generator so the probes are picking it up without physical connection. Example, if you connect scope ground probe you pulling it to 0 level :D

Regards,
Webmug

correct. this is what i have done in the past. as well as Alex petty, the only bad thing about doing this is that is we don't know the true voltage... so that's a downer...

Sorry for the repeat and late posts but, they didn't show up for over a day. Even my first post didn't show up so I repeated the post.

I agree with Russ, without the real voltage levels and relationships it's a chalange to get a handle what's going on in the circuit.

..... and it is real. making bubbles
higher voltages coming soon

maybe i will see ya around, i hate forums[/quote]Congrads on your progress Max,you are making big steps forward.You are right about skematics,what Don sent to Russ and he shared, is all we all had,the only diference is who is willing to work hard on reverse engineering Stan's skematics and you seem to be one of the hard workers.I dont want skematics,but can you tell what vic transformer type worked best for you?multispool vic or 5coil vic.One more thing i watched your video'' Monkey City Innovations''and I saw a .skp file  of the wfc ,can you post it if you want of course,because i since i saw Stan's wfc untill now i can understand completely how all the pieces fit together,dont worry,i will not try to mass produce the wfc based on your hard work(joking)but just for educational purposes.Keep up the good work and keep us informed,i watched almost all your videos and learned a lot...Br.Ady!

KISS

FEED BACK ON THIS VIDEO PLEASE>>>>>>>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpGm4LTNibE

Published on 13 Apr 2013
Stan Meyer`s VIC:
CORE MATERIAL - Core from Standard 50 Hz transformer (with ferrite core from Flyback transformer not working !!!!!)
http://prikachi.com/images/237/612523...
http://prikachi.com/images/249/612524...
Primary coil - 200 turns / 1 mm. copper wire
Secondary coil - 200 turns / 1 mm. copper wire
(Primary and Secondary coils are wind bifilar (together with two wires) on one spool for best transfer !!!!!)
Resonant choke C1 - 33 turns / 1 mm. copper wire
Resonant choke C2 - 33 turns / 1mm. copper wire
!!! Necessarily remove the diode, connected to the primary coil !!!
!!! If the Primary coil terminals are "reversed", Step Charge not occur !!!

Using voltage to Primary coil - 40 Volts / 2 Amps
Output Voltage to the Cell - +30 Vpp to -25 Vpp / 0.5 Amps

C1 / C2 - 2 x 25 turns:
http://prikachi.com/images/365/612536...
C1 / C2 - 2 x 33 turns:
http://prikachi.com/images/380/612538...
C1 / C2 - 2 x 50 turns:
http://prikachi.com/images/391/612539...
How look Hysteresis loop figure:
http://prikachi.com/images/472/612547...

If C1 and C2 are wind with more than 2 x 200 turns, Step Charge does not occur.
If C1 and C2 are wind with more than 2 x 100 turns, output Voltage to the Cell is only with positive polarity, but thus not produce effect "Rotation moment of the proton magnetic moment":
"This sets up a rotation moment of the proton magnetic moment which one can clearly see on the XY plot of an oscilloscope, as an hysteresis loop figure. However, it is noted that this hysteresis loop does not appear in the liquid water sample until all the parameters of the three components have been adjusted to the configuration which is the novel basis of this device. The hysteresis loop gives us a vivid portrayal of the nuclear magnetic relaxation cycle of the proton in water."
http://www.rexresearch.com/puharich/1...

The last step - Amplitude modulation of the Voltage to the Primary coil with extreme low frequency (Triangle wave):
http://prikachi.com/images/343/612634...
Soon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpGm4LTNibE

How about this

lay out can some one try pulsing this

Bi Toroid
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=1085

Re SS wire specs

russ can you post  more specific detail on ss wire I can try to source
equal or better


for example
=========================================
AWG gauge    

Conductor Diameter Inches

Conductor  Diameter mm    

Ohms per 1000 ft.    

Ohms per km    

Maximum amps for chassis wiring    

Maximum amps for
power transmission    

Maximum frequency for
100% skin depth for solid conductor copper


OOOO    
0.46
11.684    
0.049    
0.16072    
380    
302    
125 Hz

Just in case some people don't make it over to the RepRap side of the forum I'll post a link here.  I took some pictures of the new printed injector bobbin compared to Russ' lathe spun Delrin injector bobbin.  Pretty sweet!

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=989&pid=15254#pid15254

Nate

Quote from firepinto on May 13th, 2013, 12:46 PM

Just in case some people don't make it over to the RepRap side of the forum I'll post a link here.  I took some pictures of the new printed injector bobbin compared to Russ' lathe spun Delrin injector bobbin.  Pretty sweet!

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=989&pid=15254#pid15254

Nate

cool Nate

Dan

Quote from securesupplies on April 30th, 2013, 08:30 PM

Re SS wire specs

russ can you post  more specific detail on ss wire I can try to source
equal or better


for example
=========================================
AWG gauge    

Conductor Diameter Inches

Conductor  Diameter mm    

Ohms per 1000 ft.    

Ohms per km    

Maximum amps for chassis wiring    

Maximum amps for
power transmission    

Maximum frequency for
100% skin depth for solid conductor copper


OOOO    
0.46
11.684    
0.049    
0.16072    
380    
302    
125 Hz

electro have got the wire made and is trading it with a few people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToJvf_fHL6Y
He shows the specs in the video, which is

- Stainless Steel Wire Type 430
- 0.6 ohm*m Resistivity (Physical property of the material)
- 0.107 mm Diameter Bare wire

- 37.5 AWG
- 0.131 - 0.137 mm Diameter with coating

- 3600 V breakdown of coating

This seems to be exact of what Stan had. I believe his was diameter with Coating was 0.005" (0.127 mm)

Are you planning to source it so everybody can buy? That would be awesome! :D

Quote from pwrpro on May 18th, 2013, 10:56 AM

Quote from securesupplies on April 30th, 2013, 08:30 PM

Re SS wire specs

russ can you post  more specific detail on ss wire I can try to source
equal or better


for example
=========================================
AWG gauge    

Conductor Diameter Inches

Conductor  Diameter mm    

Ohms per 1000 ft.    

Ohms per km    

Maximum amps for chassis wiring    

Maximum amps for
power transmission    

Maximum frequency for
100% skin depth for solid conductor copper


OOOO    
0.46
11.684    
0.049    
0.16072    
380    
302    
125 Hz

electro have got the wire made and is trading it with a few people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToJvf_fHL6Y
He shows the specs in the video, which is

- Stainless Steel Wire Type 430
- 0.6 ohm*m Resistivity (Physical property of the material)
- 0.107 mm Diameter Bare wire

- 37.5 AWG
- 0.131 - 0.137 mm Diameter with coating

- 3600 V breakdown of coating

This seems to be exact of what Stan had. I believe his was diameter with Coating was 0.005" (0.127 mm)

Are you planning to source it so everybody can buy? That would be awesome! :D

Hello  everybody. I wanna give some usefull links to calculate frequency resonance in the VIC coil .:shy: http://tel-spb.ru/lc.html

Here is a link for Google translation into English:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftel-spb.ru%2Flc.html

Nate

Quote from ellectro123 on June 2nd, 2013, 07:24 AM

Quote from pwrpro on May 18th, 2013, 10:56 AM

Quote from securesupplies on April 30th, 2013, 08:30 PM

Re SS wire specs

russ can you post  more specific detail on ss wire I can try to source
equal or better


for example
=========================================
AWG gauge    

Conductor Diameter Inches

Conductor  Diameter mm    

Ohms per 1000 ft.    

Ohms per km    

Maximum amps for chassis wiring    

Maximum amps for
power transmission    

Maximum frequency for
100% skin depth for solid conductor copper


OOOO    
0.46
11.684    
0.049    
0.16072    
380    
302    
125 Hz

electro have got the wire made and is trading it with a few people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToJvf_fHL6Y
He shows the specs in the video, which is

- Stainless Steel Wire Type 430
- 0.6 ohm*m Resistivity (Physical property of the material)
- 0.107 mm Diameter Bare wire

- 37.5 AWG
- 0.131 - 0.137 mm Diameter with coating

- 3600 V breakdown of coating

This seems to be exact of what Stan had. I believe his was diameter with Coating was 0.005" (0.127 mm)

Are you planning to source it so everybody can buy? That would be awesome! :D

Hello  everybody. I wanna give some usefull links to calculate frequency resonance in the VIC coil .:shy: http://tel-spb.ru/lc.html

hello to all
to calculate Vic transformer you need to calculate the area of WFC.
to recognize the strength of current per square centimeter of water. breakdown voltage of the water 1.23v @ .01 amps per a 1 cm squared area
for example if you need to 20kV for WFC with a .5 inch diameter electrode 3 inches of overlap coverage you get a minimum current of .31 amps.
So we know R = V / I  20kV divide by 0.31 amp is 64,516 ohms you need for normal operation of the entire chain of WFC. if this does not take into account, and resistance will be less than the estimated breakdown of the water you get a Overdrive VIC transformer. for example you can use for nickel chrome enamelled winding wire 0.10mm in diameter and 127 ohms resistance per meter. and do not necessarily stainless steel wire.:shy:

[attachment=3872]

Finally getting a VIC coil wound with wire!  :cool:  This is a Multi-tap type so the sizes of the coils can be selected easier.  I still need to wind up a pick up coil.  I used 30AWG wire for each coil.  

Here is one of the live video recordings I did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_eYT_6I5H0

Nate

Quote from firepinto on June 24th, 2013, 05:32 AM

Finally getting a VIC coil wound with wire!  :cool:  This is a Multi-tap type so the sizes of the coils can be selected easier.  I still need to wind up a pick up coil.  I used 30AWG wire for each coil.  

Here is one of the live video recordings I did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_eYT_6I5H0

Nate

nice vids. thanks for posting.

how did you manage your wind count on the lathe?

your ebay auction ended because item is no longer available. is that true or did ebay kick you off?

Quote from bussi04 on June 25th, 2013, 12:22 PM

Quote from firepinto on June 24th, 2013, 05:32 AM

Finally getting a VIC coil wound with wire!  :cool:  This is a Multi-tap type so the sizes of the coils can be selected easier.  I still need to wind up a pick up coil.  I used 30AWG wire for each coil.  

Here is one of the live video recordings I did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_eYT_6I5H0

Nate

nice vids. thanks for posting.

how did you manage your wind count on the lathe?

your ebay auction ended because item is no longer available. is that true or did ebay kick you off?

I didn't go by wind count, but by length of wire.  I plan on adding a counter soon.  

Ebay did restrict my account and remove the item after about 3 days of being listed.  I called them and they had me verify my information, then they allowed me to relist it.  Apparently someone claimed it was their product, but the person on the line wouldn't talk clear on the subject.  I think Ebay was too concerned with what kind of manufacturing hardware I had with their questioning.  When I said it was 3D printed they went silent.  After hearing about everyone's bad experience selling on Ebay, I decided to remove the listing myself.  My account is no longer restricted and they send me a lot of spam mail begging to relist it.

Everyone should remember that anyone can print these or have them printed by someone with a printer or a service like shapeways.com.  I'm not about to battle with "who ever" to make these sell-able.   That said anyone can try to sell these if they like to.  I get a lot of offers to sell these to dealers, that is not my goal.  Dealers can easily become manufacturers by buying a 3D printer, and putting in some effort.  These bobbins are Open Source and have only been created to help advance Stan's technology to a fully operational level.  Until that day they are just experimental.

Nate

Quote from ellectro123 on June 3rd, 2013, 03:11 PM

Quote from ellectro123 on June 2nd, 2013, 07:24 AM

Quote from pwrpro on May 18th, 2013, 10:56 AM

electro have got the wire made and is trading it with a few people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToJvf_fHL6Y

Hello  everybody. I wanna give some usefull links to calculate frequency resonance in the VIC coil .:shy: http://tel-spb.ru/lc.html

hello to all
to calculate Vic transformer you need to calculate the area of WFC.
to recognize the strength of current per square centimeter of water. breakdown voltage of the water 1.23v @ .01 amps per a 1 cm squared area
for example if you need to 20kV for WFC with a .5 inch diameter electrode 3 inches of overlap coverage you get a minimum current of .31 amps.
So we know R = V / I  20kV divide by 0.31 amp is 64,516 ohms you need for normal operation of the entire chain of WFC. if this does not take into account, and resistance will be less than the estimated breakdown of the water you get a Overdrive VIC transformer. for example you can use for nickel chrome enamelled winding wire 0.10mm in diameter and 127 ohms resistance per meter. and do not necessarily stainless steel wire.:shy:

Welcome to the forum ellectro123!

I'll just take this opportunity to clarify to the rest of the forum that you (ellectro123) is of course not to be confused with electro1622, the gentleman in the Youtube clip.

Enjoy your stay :)

Hi All
This is my fist post here and I would like to introduce myself as a fellow Meyer experimenter. Here are a few details about me
I have been slowly building my know how and materials over the years to try to replicate his tech.
I made the zirconia ceramic quenching discs which Russ tested, I am also the one who got the 430fr ss wire..
I am also trying to make an injector, but this is a little different to stans because I have limited machinery..
Also trying to replicate the gas processor.
This forum has many members who have supported me in the past and I would like to offer my help in return...well.. what little I know anyway..
As far as open source goes..ummm....my channel shows how I make everything and if you want more info...just ask.
Unfortunately, because of the complexity of making things by hand, I do not sell anything I make........I do however , trade,.. or give things away if I see a genuine reason in my opinion.
If anyone would like help with any part of my work, please let me know...cheers.:)

Hi electro1622, welcome to the forum, good to have you here

hi all,..yes the details about the wire is on my video, however..Russ should have the wire he traded for the bobbins by now ...so he should be able to answer your questions a lot better than I can...one other thing... Don't believe it when people tell you that only companies can buy certain materials... an individual has access to anything that companies have access to....as I proved with the ss wire, the discs and soon the quenching tube..

Hi,
Ultra easy way to build VIC bobin,
Buy some plastic anchors , water plastic pipe , two ferrite rods 10mmX200 mm.
Process  in photos . (Enjoy :) )

Quote from avdrys on July 1st, 2013, 07:48 AM

Hi,
Ultra easy way to build VIC bobin,
Buy some plastic anchors , water plastic pipe , two ferrite rods 10mmX200 mm.
Process  in photos . (Enjoy :) )

Nice job!  What type of anchors are those?  They kind of look like teledata wire management type stuff, but with tapered ends.  What kind of tools did you need to cut the ferrite cores?  

Keep up the great work.:cool:

Nate

keep re listing in new hot rod forums

Quote from electro1622 on June 29th, 2013, 08:22 AM

Hi All
This is my fist post here and I would like to introduce myself as a fellow Meyer experimenter. Here are a few details about me
I have been slowly building my know how and materials over the years to try to replicate his tech.
I made the zirconia ceramic quenching discs which Russ tested, I am also the one who got the 430fr ss wire..
I am also trying to make an injector, but this is a little different to stans because I have limited machinery..
Also trying to replicate the gas processor.
This forum has many members who have supported me in the past and I would like to offer my help in return...well.. what little I know anyway..
As far as open source goes..ummm....my channel shows how I make everything and if you want more info...just ask.
Unfortunately, because of the complexity of making things by hand, I do not sell anything I make........I do however , trade,.. or give things away if I see a genuine reason in my opinion.
If anyone would like help with any part of my work, please let me know...cheers.:)

Hy electro,glad to have you here!I have a q for you on how to rewind an alternator,because i saw your yt channel and saw your r-vic.Im interested in the bobin placement on the core and winding directions,of each one.I have a winding jig in a sandwich config that makes perfect coils,but i lose a lot of time dissasemble it....So if you are willing to help me/others please post here http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=1337
Thanks!

RE: WATER FUEL CELL Technical Brief (Building, Testing and Understanding Stan's Work)
Hi Guys I just go contacted by a

EMI Filtering company

they are offering to build some test coils for me with stainless and ferrite

Can we put down from
what we know now the target spec should be and I will see what they say

Ideal Wish list please for coils and bobbins sec wise

1 vic bobbin1
Ferrite core desire size
bobbins1-4/5 and the winding and or
target out put we want
out put measurement desired


2 bobbin 2 injector
target wish list as above

I will ask them to suggest the solution from their current tech
and I will post their answer

If may be time to use a modern voltage controller and
get a coil professionally made with target spec in mind we may have much better results as worl has modernised alot now

and yes they have a app for that!! lol

Dan