VIC Coil

~Russ

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #75, on February 21st, 2012, 11:08 PM »
Quote from firepinto on February 21st, 2012, 06:10 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 21st, 2012, 04:13 AM
new bobbin and new measurements,

here are some photos also so some scope shots.

the first one was with the "ground" or reference lead on the secondary " floating ground"  
you can see i did not get an un-poler pulse...

but in the second and third photo did get an un-poler pulse... but the " ground" lead on the scope was connected to the Ground on the battery.

also note that the C1 and C2 are wound counter clockwise, and the Primary and secondary is wound clockwise... this may be why? i don't know.

also note that i did not have anything connected to the output of the VIC. just open coils attached to the scope.

The diode was in the circuit. its a U15560.

using the Russtic 7.0 to pulse the VIC..

~Russ
Nice job Russ.:cool:  The counter clockwise coils might work better cause it follows the flux path in the core  better?  I think it's the silver bobbins that made it better! Kidding:P

Nate
has to be the bobbins!! :)

~Russ
RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #76, on February 22nd, 2012, 01:27 AM »
updated the sheet with my water cap/wave guide measurements.

i got the capacitance but did not get the resistance... ill get it later...

thanks, ~Russ

securesupplies

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #78, on March 18th, 2012, 01:38 AM »
Quote from firepinto on October 25th, 2011, 07:45 PM
So I've been practicing Google Sketchup latley..:P  I started a 3D model of VIC bobbins that are detailed on a couple .pdf files by Dynodon on another forum.  I hope that is fine. :)  I converted all the measurements to millimeters for RepRapability. Yes new words.  :D I would like to make another model(s) that fits more available ferrite cores also.  Next task is to try to design some kind of structure or scaffolding to make it printable.  Is there any other features or grooves that would be necessary?  

Sketchup file is zipped and pdf files are all attached. :)

Nate
Hi can you post this in jpg or gif also please.
Also invite you to help edit here,
Stan Meyer Vic Style 2 rebuilder guide
Dan

firepinto

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #79, on March 18th, 2012, 07:53 AM »
Quote from securesupplies on March 18th, 2012, 01:38 AM
Quote from firepinto on October 25th, 2011, 07:45 PM
So I've been practicing Google Sketchup latley..:P  I started a 3D model of VIC bobbins that are detailed on a couple .pdf files by Dynodon on another forum.  I hope that is fine. :)  I converted all the measurements to millimeters for RepRapability. Yes new words.  :D I would like to make another model(s) that fits more available ferrite cores also.  Next task is to try to design some kind of structure or scaffolding to make it printable.  Is there any other features or grooves that would be necessary?  

Sketchup file is zipped and pdf files are all attached. :)

Nate
Hi can you post this in jpg or gif also please.
Also invite you to help edit here,
Stan Meyer Vic Style 2 rebuilder guide
Dan
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This design still may need some tweaking.  It also needs to be printed with a dual extruder printer using PVA filament for supports.  It's also not very usefull if we can't find the silicon steel laminations for the core. lol

Nate

~Russ

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #80, on March 26th, 2012, 03:57 AM »
Quote from firepinto on October 25th, 2011, 07:45 PM
So I've been practicing Google Sketchup latley..:P  I started a 3D model of VIC bobbins that are detailed on a couple .pdf files by Dynodon on another forum.  I hope that is fine. :)  I converted all the measurements to millimeters for RepRapability. Yes new words.  :D I would like to make another model(s) that fits more available ferrite cores also.  Next task is to try to design some kind of structure or scaffolding to make it printable.  Is there any other features or grooves that would be necessary?  

Sketchup file is zipped and pdf files are all attached. :)

Nate
well... i decided to take this one on... i want to also play with this VIC so i started the bobbin set...

this is the inner one. i will make the other one next...

i bored out the inside to 1" as i cant cut that square hole... lol

but it will not effect  anything... and i should still be able to get a 3/4" square core in there.  
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more later...

i still need to cut the small slots for the wire...

also. i'm thinking that if a microwave transformer core fits .. I'm going to try that.
thanks, ~Russ

firepinto

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #81, on March 26th, 2012, 04:46 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 26th, 2012, 03:57 AM
Quote from firepinto on October 25th, 2011, 07:45 PM
So I've been practicing Google Sketchup latley..:P  I started a 3D model of VIC bobbins that are detailed on a couple .pdf files by Dynodon on another forum.  I hope that is fine. :)  I converted all the measurements to millimeters for RepRapability. Yes new words.  :D I would like to make another model(s) that fits more available ferrite cores also.  Next task is to try to design some kind of structure or scaffolding to make it printable.  Is there any other features or grooves that would be necessary?  

Sketchup file is zipped and pdf files are all attached. :)

Nate
well... i decided to take this one on... i want to also play with this VIC so i started the bobbin set...

this is the inner one. i will make the other one next...

i bored out the inside to 1" as i cant cut that square hole... lol

but it will not effect  anything... and i should still be able to get a 3/4" square core in there.  




more later...

i still need to cut the small slots for the wire...

also. i'm thinking that if a microwave transformer core fits .. I'm going to try that.
thanks, ~Russ
Sweet!  That looks awesome.. I wondered if microwave transformer cores would work.  Are they usually welded together like most of them are now days?  Now i really need to finish my printer.:P  I've been kicking around the idea for a design that was printed in pieces and assembled.  I might have to think harder on that.:D
Is this the coil that uses the stainless wire?  

Nate

Jeff Nading

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #82, on March 26th, 2012, 12:40 PM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 26th, 2012, 03:57 AM
Quote from firepinto on October 25th, 2011, 07:45 PM
So I've been practicing Google Sketchup latley..:P  I started a 3D model of VIC bobbins that are detailed on a couple .pdf files by Dynodon on another forum.  I hope that is fine. :)  I converted all the measurements to millimeters for RepRapability. Yes new words.  :D I would like to make another model(s) that fits more available ferrite cores also.  Next task is to try to design some kind of structure or scaffolding to make it printable.  Is there any other features or grooves that would be necessary?  

Sketchup file is zipped and pdf files are all attached. :)

Nate
well... i decided to take this one on... i want to also play with this VIC so i started the bobbin set...

this is the inner one. i will make the other one next...

i bored out the inside to 1" as i cant cut that square hole... lol

but it will not effect  anything... and i should still be able to get a 3/4" square core in there.  




more later...

i still need to cut the small slots for the wire...

also. i'm thinking that if a microwave transformer core fits .. I'm going to try that.
thanks, ~Russ
Russ you should be able to cut a square hole using a mortise and tendon bit, it is used to make joints in wood, it will work with plastic also.

~Russ

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #83, on March 27th, 2012, 02:00 AM »Last edited on March 27th, 2012, 02:03 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
well... for the K.I.S.S method... that sure sucked! lol, I will defiantly be praying for your god speed! Nate!!! get that printer done! lol i think this is the only one of these ill be making... was not to bad but i was really worried about it snapping off!!! its so thin in places!!! and i did not have the correct boring bar to do the job but i got by...  

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the worst part was cleaning up the slot!!! this is UHMW and its really stringy... so the slots did not cut smooth with the end mill i used... as you can see here, i already cleaned up the small one...

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here is after i cleaned up the mess with a razor knife!

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and the final set!

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I'm glad that's done!!!

man i will not be doing that again anytime soon i hope! lol
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Russ you should be able to cut a square hole using a mortise and tendon bit, it is used to make joints in wood, it will work with plastic also.
ah, yes... my dad is a carpenter... i should have known! :) i know my grandpa (RIP Bill Gries)  has one... ill need ot go check.. that is if i need it!

Thanks guys!! Blessings! ~Russ

firepinto

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #84, on March 27th, 2012, 05:37 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 27th, 2012, 02:00 AM
well... for the K.I.S.S method... that sure sucked! lol, I will defiantly be praying for your god speed! Nate!!! get that printer done! lol i think this is the only one of these ill be making... was not to bad but i was really worried about it snapping off!!! its so thin in places!!! and i did not have the correct boring bar to do the job but i got by...  






the worst part was cleaning up the slot!!! this is UHMW and its really stringy... so the slots did not cut smooth with the end mill i used... as you can see here, i already cleaned up the small one...



here is after i cleaned up the mess with a razor knife!



and the final set!



I'm glad that's done!!!

man i will not be doing that again anytime soon i hope! lol
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Russ you should be able to cut a square hole using a mortise and tendon bit, it is used to make joints in wood, it will work with plastic also.
ah, yes... my dad is a carpenter... i should have known! :) i know my grandpa (RIP Bill Gries)  has one... ill need ot go check.. that is if i need it!

Thanks guys!! Blessings! ~Russ
Russ that looks really good!  Lol I have two sets of those at home that I don't have the patience to clean up.  I'm going to try turning the design on its side and print it with regular supports.  That might get us by until the printer is done.  I think the supports will be easier to remove that way, but might not be as nice looking.  Ill have the new stls posted for it this week, if some one wants to test print it before I can on saturday. :)

Nate

Jeff Nading

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #85, on March 27th, 2012, 05:55 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 27th, 2012, 02:00 AM
well... for the K.I.S.S method... that sure sucked! lol, I will defiantly be praying for your god speed! Nate!!! get that printer done! lol i think this is the only one of these ill be making... was not to bad but i was really worried about it snapping off!!! its so thin in places!!! and i did not have the correct boring bar to do the job but i got by...  






the worst part was cleaning up the slot!!! this is UHMW and its really stringy... so the slots did not cut smooth with the end mill i used... as you can see here, i already cleaned up the small one...



here is after i cleaned up the mess with a razor knife!



and the final set!



I'm glad that's done!!!

man i will not be doing that again anytime soon i hope! lol
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Russ you should be able to cut a square hole using a mortise and tendon bit, it is used to make joints in wood, it will work with plastic also.
ah, yes... my dad is a carpenter... i should have known! :) i know my grandpa (RIP Bill Gries)  has one... ill need ot go check.. that is if i need it!

Thanks guys!! Blessings! ~Russ
Excellent work Russ, looks good.


TonyWoodside

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #86, on March 27th, 2012, 04:37 PM »Last edited on March 27th, 2012, 05:38 PM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Whats up Russ?
Ok let me see if I can help ya out with this. The inner bobbin which holds the two inductors (L1 & L2) and the primary. The L1 & L2 are both wrapped together, which reduces inductance leakage, you need to wrap them clockwise and fill each slot before moving to the next one. If I remember right there are 14 slots on both the inner and outer bobbins. You also wrap the secondary the same way. The Primary is dual wrapped and what Stan means by this is that you wrap two wires, one will be the primary and the other will be the feedback! From my understanding, Stan only wrapped one layer using 22 AWG copper wire. The Secondary used 35 or 36 AWG copper wire. The L1/L2 coils used 35 - 36 AWG SS 430 wire. I have one of the VIC Injector transformers with some of Stan's actual 430 SS wire wrapped on it. I also have the "grain oriented" steel core like the one that Stan used. My L1/L2 chokes measure 11.7k Ohms each. I just need to finish wrapping my secondary so I can start testing. I have made a scaled down version of the transformer and I have measured output voltages around 5kv from that one. Just remember when you wrap you coils, make sure they are all wound in the same direction! Then you connect them "Aiding", so that the magnetic field is in the same direction for all coils.

~Russ

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #87, on March 27th, 2012, 05:37 PM »Last edited on March 27th, 2012, 11:02 PM by ~Russ/Rwg42985

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5RXufXXnqs

this is from the S.Meyer-The Birth of New Technology book :
http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Patents/S.Meyer-The%20Birth%20of%20New%20Technology.pdf

i cant post the text... so, please read the Memo WFC 425, pages  mainly 6-3,6-4,6-5 for this coil.

also please see Memo WFC 426,  READ Entire Thing!

as well as Memo WFC 429 as there are diagrams at the end the show the coil configuration... lol its starting to be that you just need to read all the Memo WFC (The Birth of New Technology book) lol...

its all there... wire size type coating how to wrap the coils and core type... its all there... just read it! i will do my best to extract all the data and make it easy to fallow but that will take some time an im not promising anything... :)
give your ideas and thoughts!!

Thanks,

~Russ

Jeff Nading

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #88, on March 27th, 2012, 05:47 PM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 27th, 2012, 05:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/my_videos_edit?ns=1&video_id=D5RXufXXnqs

this is from the S.Meyer-The Birth of New Technology book :

i cant post the text... so, please read the Memo WFC 425, pages  mainly 6-3,6-4,6-5 for this coil.

give your ideas and thoughts!!

Thanks,

~Russ
http://www.globalkast.com/docs/The%20Birth%20of%20New%20Technology%20-%20S.Meyer.pdf     Here is a link that works.

haxar


Jeff Nading

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #90, on March 27th, 2012, 07:59 PM »
Quote from maxxypane on November 18th, 2011, 03:45 AM
The VIC was performed in a EI steel laminated core, was the size of the Vic 6-1 in a piece of paper, was made with S/S wire. It took a long time for me to be able to provide this information as "refined".
Nate I don't know how I missed all of this but I did until now. Very cool. Like the new bobbins to.


TonyWoodside

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #91, on March 28th, 2012, 12:30 AM »
Quote from Jeff Nading on March 27th, 2012, 07:59 PM
Quote from maxxypane on November 18th, 2011, 03:45 AM
The VIC was performed in a EI steel laminated core, was the size of the Vic 6-1 in a piece of paper, was made with S/S wire. It took a long time for me to be able to provide this information as "refined".
Nate I don't know how I missed all of this but I did until now. Very cool. Like the new bobbins to.
Russ,

The only guy I know that might still have some of Stan's 430 SS wire is a guy named John Bostick. I know he bought a few pounds of the wire from Don and he sent me some already wrapped on my VIC transformer. Back last year I called the company that Stan got his wire from in NJ and the guy told me they have a min. order of $1,000 and the wire is not coated, but if I remember right he did say they can coat it for you.

Sharky


~Russ

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #93, on March 28th, 2012, 02:09 AM »
Quote from TonyWoodside on March 28th, 2012, 12:30 AM
Quote from Jeff Nading on March 27th, 2012, 07:59 PM
Quote from maxxypane on November 18th, 2011, 03:45 AM
The VIC was performed in a EI steel laminated core, was the size of the Vic 6-1 in a piece of paper, was made with S/S wire. It took a long time for me to be able to provide this information as "refined".
Nate I don't know how I missed all of this but I did until now. Very cool. Like the new bobbins to.
Russ,

The only guy I know that might still have some of Stan's 430 SS wire is a guy named John Bostick. I know he bought a few pounds of the wire from Don and he sent me some already wrapped on my VIC transformer. Back last year I called the company that Stan got his wire from in NJ and the guy told me they have a min. order of $1,000 and the wire is not coated, but if I remember right he did say they can coat it for you.
art in veges told me he had receipt on the wire. Stan had it shipped out to have coated from what i remember. i will need to look that up again. ill post it. can you see if this John Bostick still has some? or get me in contact with him? thanks tony!

~Russ
RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #94, on March 28th, 2012, 02:20 AM »Last edited on March 28th, 2012, 03:52 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Ok so all data below is puled out of the Memo WFC birth of a new technology book…


 What is the try coil VIC and how is it suppose to work?

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Tri - Coil Construction
Resonant Choke Coils (56/62) of Figure (3-23) (Memo WFC 422 DA) are composed of
430F or 430FR inductance stainless steel film coated (hi dielectric value) wire (typically .004 Ga. or
smaller) which are axially (spiralled) Bifilar wound about core bobbin (502), forming individual
spiral-wrap (inner to outer circumference and being equally-length) coils (501a xxx 501n)
electrically connected in sequencial order to form resistive pickup coil (503).
Primary Coil (26) (typically .030 Ga.) film coated magnet wire is longitudinal wrapped in
space relationship on top of and layered bidirectional (507a xxx 507n) across spiral-wrap coils
(501a xxx 50 In) to complete bobbin cavity (504).
Secondary pickup coil (52) of Figure (3-23) is, also, composed of individual spiral wrapped
coils (505a xxx 505n) (typically .002 Ga. magnet wire) electrically connected in sequential order to
form bobbin cavity (506) which is placed on top of and in space relationship to primary coil cavity
(504).
Resonant bobbin assembly (503), primary bobbin assembly (504), and secondary bobbin
assembly (506), now, make up and structurally forms voltage intensifier (VIC) coil-assembly (530) of
Figure (4-6) when electrical steel core material (53) forms a close-loop magnetic induction pathway
centrally through and around (VIC) coil-assembly (530), as schematically illustrated in (190) of
Figure (3-23) (Memo WFC 422 DA).
Electromagnetic Interaction
The resultant tri-coil configuration (Inductance core 53 - choke coils 56/62 - primary coil 26
- secondary coil 52), now, allows magnetic field coupling (71a xxx 71n) to pass through both
resonant-coils (56/62) and secondary coil (52) simultaneously when primary coil (26) is pulsed
energized by way of incoming pulse-train (46a xxx 46n). In doing so, magnetic flux-lines (71a xxx
7In) are induced into spiral-wrap coils (505a xxx 505n) to produce inductance coupling (511a xxx
51 In) between each secondary spiral-coils (505a xxx 505n) which are parallel formed to expanding
magnetic flux-lines (71a xxx 71n) ... producing step up voltage potential of positive
RE: Water Fuel Injection System Memo WFC 425
Stanley A. Meyer 6-4
electrical intensity (positive voltage potential) by way of inductance / capacitance interaction across
secondary coil-assembly (52) while keeping opposition to electromagnetic build up to a minimum.
Magnetic flux-lines (71a xxx 71n) being emitted on the opposite side of primary coil (26)
induces further increase in positive voltage potential (64 a xxx) since inductance / capacitance (Cd / DL)
of Figure (7-3) interaction is, also, occurring in both resonant charging chokes simultaneously in
balance relationship to the same pulse sequent (46) ... producing inductance coupling (512a xxx 512n)
(Rp /Rpl/Rp2) of Figure (7-8) in parallel relationship to expanding field (71), as before. The resultant
Pulsing Sequence (49a xxx - T1/T2 -xxx 49n) of Figure (7-1) allows voltage (T1) across Inductance
Chokes (56/62) while current flow lags by 90°.
Together, external magnetic field (71), inductance coupling field (512a xxx 512n), resistive
value (Z2 + Z3) of stainless steel wire-coil (56/62), and the dielectric value (ohmic or resistive value)
(Re> of water aids and performs amp restriction process (520) of Figure (5-3) while allowing applied
voltage amplitude to be electrically transmitted without signal degradation. (see circuit resistive
equations (Eq 9) ( Memo WFC 420, once again) as to VIC Matrix Circuit (690) of Figure (7-8).
The resultant dynamic voltage potential (600) of Figure (6-3) , now, performs the Hydrogen
Fracturing Process. (390) of Figure (3-42) (Memo WFC 422 DA) in such a way as to allow particle
oscillation to take place as a ''Energy Generator" (see Memo WFC 424 titled Atomic Energy Balance of
Water) to further enhance thermal explosive energy-yield (16a xxx 16n) (70) of Figure (4-5)
(Memo.WFC 423 DA), as graphically illustrated in (610) of Figure (6-4).
Injector (590) of Figure (6-2) and voltage intensifier coil-circuit (580) of Figure (6-1) as to (190)
of Figure (3-23) is electronically Interlinked with Water Fuel Management (WFMS) System (40) of
Figure (4-2) (Memo WFC 423DA) to form "The Water Fuel Injection System" ® that triggers and
performs voltage activation process (600) of Figure (6-3) as to (730) of Figure (7-12).
Now what do we know about the wire:
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Resonant
Charging Chokes (614/615) 430F/FR 36 A WG (.006) stainless steel (s/s) wire
RE: VIC Matrix Circuit Memo WFC 426
Stanley A. Meyer 7-5
equals 60 micro ohms per centimeter;

Primary Coil (622) 22 A WG (.028) copper wire equals 5.1933
ohms per pound weight; Secondary Pickup Coil (623) 35 A WG (.007) copper wire equals 13K ohms
per pound weight. "Pyre-ML" trade name "Himol" polymer coating-material is used to impart thermal
and mechanical resistance to the stainless steel (s/s) wire (614/615) coating; both magnet wire sizes
(622/623) uses solderable Nysol (Polyurethane Nylon Jacket) insulation enamel coating as a electrical
shield-material ... all dielectric coatings having an effective 3KV per mil dielectric value and formulated
specifically to endure automotive temperature range from _ 40 0 to 1550 C.
what’s up with the stainless steal??
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In reference to the use stainless steel (s/s) coil-wrap (614/615), resistive wire value (Rsl/Rs2) of
Figure (7-8) (typically 11.6K ohms per coil) is sufficient enough to inhibit current flow oscillation in
direct relationship to circuit impedance (Eq. 9) since "current flow" is, also, restricted in the
milliampere (s) range due to (s/s) wire material
stainless steel 430F/FR wire-material is "Electromagnetic Inductive" to incoming electromagnetic
flux-lines (71a xxx 71n) (Rp) without (s/s) inductor-wire-coil (L1/L2) becoming permanently
magnetized ... paralleling and performing the same electromagnetic characteristic of copper wire
when it comes to magnetic field reformation
and the most important thing… how is it wrapped?

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Inductors:
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Both Inductors (LI/L2) are Bifilar
wound in equal length
each choke-coil (LIIL2) being of the same
impedance value since both coil-wraps (56/62) are Bifilar wound together onto a single spoolbobbin
Resonant Choke Coils (56/62) of Figure (3-23) (Memo WFC 422 DA) are composed of
430F or 430FR inductance stainless steel film coated (hi dielectric value) wire (typically .004 Ga. or
smaller) which are axially (spiralled) Bifilar wound about core bobbin (502), forming individual
spiral-wrap (inner to outer circumference and being equally-length) coils (501a xxx 501n)
electrically connected in sequencial order to form resistive pickup coil (503).
primary:
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Primary Coil (26) (typically .030 Ga.) film coated magnet wire is longitudinal wrapped in
space relationship on top of and layered bidirectional (507a xxx 507n) across spiral-wrap coils
(501a xxx 50 In) to complete bobbin cavity (504).
secondary:
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Secondary pickup coil (52) of Figure (3-23) is, also, composed of individual spiral wrapped
coils (505a xxx 505n) (typically .002 Ga. magnet wire) electrically connected in sequential order to
form bobbin cavity (506) which is placed on top of and in space relationship to primary coil cavity
(504).
between each secondary spiral-coils (505a xxx 505n) which are parallel formed
other wrapping info:
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Secondary Pickup Coil-winding (52) which has more turns of wire than Primary Coil winding.
electrically connected in series arrangement (505a xxx 505n) to form Secondary
Coil-Wrap (52), (Np) is the number of turns of the primary Coil (26) wire-wrapped about spool cavity

(L1) and L2) are the inductance of each individual transformer
coils (26)(52), (M) is the mutual inductance of each transformer coil (26/52) being in parallel
relationship with fields aiding.
the total inductance of Choke Coils (FL1 - FL2), (L1) and (L2) are the inductance
of each individual choke coil (56)(62) in series with Secondary Coil
in reference to
Schematic Circuit (620) of Figure (7-1) is constructed in such a way as to rotate and position
Inductor Coils (26 - 52 - 56 - 62) to be of the same electromagnetic polarity orientation, indicator
Mark
what’s the core made out of?

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Inductance Core (53) of Figure (6-1) composed of "Grain Oriented" Electrical Steel
Laminations
when electrical steel core material (53) forms a close-loop magnetic induction pathway
centrally through and around (VIC) coil-assembly
other info… there is more I did not have time to grab.. please read it all!! Not just what I have posted…
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In terms of Component Reactance, Inductors (LIIL2) should always be larger than Capacitor
(ER) of Figure (7-2) in order to maximize amp restriction to enhance "Voltage Deflection"
The resultant Dynamic Voltage Potential of Difference (opposite electrical attraction force) (SS' -
617 •... RR') is in balance phase of equal electrical intensity (66 = 67) of opposite polarity (positive
electrical voltage potential _66 equals negative electrical Voltage potential 66 since the voltage
Coefficient of Inductance (FL1/FL2), Voltage Coefficient of Capacitance (Cd1/Cd2), and voltage
Coefficient of Resistance (Rs1/Rs2) across choke coils (L1/L2) are the same values ... allowing,
Voltage Bounce Phenomenon (700) of Figure (7-9) to be preformed.
Of course, in practical terms of component interaction, a minute amount of amp leakage is
present and does occur due to Electronic Component Limitations but is negligible as to the overall
performance of the Hydrogen Fracturing Process
applied voltage level of intensity (typically 20,000 input volts or so) can be extended or increased up
to and beyond 90,000 volts range within a millisecond or less.
Ok… well that was a lot of work! Lol

Now there is more and if you guys find any reference martial please let me know so I can add it to this post.
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Tony’s thoughts:
Whats up Russ?
Ok let me see if I can help ya out with this. The inner bobbin which holds the two inductors (L1 & L2) and the primary. The L1 & L2 are both wrapped together, which reduces inductance leakage, you need to wrap them clockwise and fill each slot before moving to the next one. If I remember right there are 14 slots on both the inner and outer bobbins. You also wrap the secondary the same way. The Primary is dual wrapped and what Stan means by this is that you wrap two wires, one will be the primary and the other will be the feedback! From my understanding, Stan only wrapped one layer using 22 AWG copper wire. The Secondary used 35 or 36 AWG copper wire. The L1/L2 coils used 35 - 36 AWG SS 430 wire. I have one of the VIC Injector transformers with some of Stan's actual 430 SS wire wrapped on it. I also have the "grain oriented" steel core like the one that Stan used. My L1/L2 chokes measure 11.7k Ohms each. I just need to finish wrapping my secondary so I can start testing. I have made a scaled down version of the transformer and I have measured output voltages around 5kv from that one. Just remember when you wrap you coils, make sure they are all wound in the same direction! Then you connect them "Aiding", so that the magnetic field is in the same direction for all coils.
thanks for this tony!

also, doyou have the refrance on this:
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The Primary is dual wrapped and what Stan means by this is that you wrap two wires, one will be the primary and the other will be the feedback!
i remember hearing this but done remember where. but i think its connected in series to make the primary?

scene this VIC is for the injectors... we don't have changing capacitance values like the tube cell... see i think this coil set is built tuned and ready to go... no "auto tune" as it all happening in a split second... :
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increased up
to and beyond 90,000 volts range within a millisecond or less.
now. lets use this info to define the coil wrap configuration. i will add some drawings that i find correct using the above information. lets find out what everyone thinks about the coil wrap... as that seems to be the only part that is going to be inflictive... everyone is going to take the words of "  longitudinal wrapped in
space relationship on top of and layered bidirectional  across spiral-wrap coils ..." lol

thanks blessings and man am i on the data/patent surfing rampage :)

~Russ


firepinto

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #95, on March 28th, 2012, 04:15 AM »Last edited on March 28th, 2012, 04:26 AM by firepinto
Quote from Jeff Nading on March 27th, 2012, 07:59 PM
Quote from maxxypane on November 18th, 2011, 03:45 AM
The VIC was performed in a EI steel laminated core, was the size of the Vic 6-1 in a piece of paper, was made with S/S wire. It took a long time for me to be able to provide this information as "refined".
Nate I don't know how I missed all of this but I did until now. Very cool. Like the new bobbins to.
Thanks Jeff, I know the forum is getting busy! lol hard to keep up.  I did some searching on the pin terminals Stan used on the Multi spool VIC.  I think I found something that will work:

http://www.keyelco.com/pdfs/M60/M60p136.pdf

Found more info, they are called insulated single turret threaded terminals.  I found double turrets, but not singles so far:
http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/1780500-term-dbl-turret-ptfe-2-56-thd-11350.html

Nate
RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #96, on March 28th, 2012, 10:47 PM »
I spent some time working on the Multi-coil spool VIC 3D model today.  I wanted to add holes for the terminals.  I haven't been able to figure out which terminals go to what areas in the bobbins.  From the photos I found more holes that I have no idea what they are for.  Sight holes of some sort?  Any way it looks like the holes are not drilled straight through the wall of the bobbin.  Any one got ideas?

I marked up a drawing pointing out the different types of holes:
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Nate

Webmug

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #97, on March 29th, 2012, 03:05 AM »
Quote from TonyWoodside on March 27th, 2012, 04:37 PM
Whats up Russ?
Ok let me see if I can help ya out with this. The inner bobbin which holds the two inductors (L1 & L2) and the primary. The L1 & L2 are both wrapped together, which reduces inductance leakage, you need to wrap them clockwise and fill each slot before moving to the next one. If I remember right there are 14 slots on both the inner and outer bobbins. You also wrap the secondary the same way. The Primary is dual wrapped and what Stan means by this is that you wrap two wires, one will be the primary and the other will be the feedback! From my understanding, Stan only wrapped one layer using 22 AWG copper wire. The Secondary used 35 or 36 AWG copper wire. The L1/L2 coils used 35 - 36 AWG SS 430 wire. I have one of the VIC Injector transformers with some of Stan's actual 430 SS wire wrapped on it. I also have the "grain oriented" steel core like the one that Stan used. My L1/L2 chokes measure 11.7k Ohms each. I just need to finish wrapping my secondary so I can start testing. I have made a scaled down version of the transformer and I have measured output voltages around 5kv from that one. Just remember when you wrap you coils, make sure they are all wound in the same direction! Then you connect them "Aiding", so that the magnetic field is in the same direction for all coils.
Hi Tony,

Just curious, what is the measured inductance of the L1 430 SS wire choke coil?

Br,
Webmug

Jeff Nading

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #98, on March 29th, 2012, 04:31 AM »
Quote from firepinto on March 28th, 2012, 10:47 PM
I spent some time working on the Multi-coil spool VIC 3D model today.  I wanted to add holes for the terminals.  I haven't been able to figure out which terminals go to what areas in the bobbins.  From the photos I found more holes that I have no idea what they are for.  Sight holes of some sort?  Any way it looks like the holes are not drilled straight through the wall of the bobbin.  Any one got ideas?

I marked up a drawing pointing out the different types of holes:


Nate
Hi Nate, just a guess, but some of the holes could have been used for mounting the bobbin parts for machining.


Webmug

RE: VIC Coil
« Reply #99, on March 29th, 2012, 02:12 PM »
Russ,

Did you measure the resistance of your 3 inch WFC with a type of water in it?
Just wondering...

Br,
Webmug