So Axil,Quote from Axil on January 9th, 2013, 01:17 PM Furthermore, these five Papp noble gases will combine in all sorts of ways among and between themselves to form huge super-atomic clusters.
These clusters can contain any permutation and combination of these five gases starting from just two noble gas element sets all the way to include all five types of noble gases.
If you are interested in details, these various noble gas cluster combinations are listed in this document as follows:
http://www.nist.gov/data/PDFfiles/jpcrd245.pdf
Ionization enhances this noble gas cluster formation process.
It is also probable that by controlling the percentage mix of the noble gases, Papp could control what cluster mix would be formed in his cylinder.
I suspect that it may be the interaction between and among these ionized clusters that make the Papp reaction go.
Non-noble element/noble gas contaminations will reduce the vigor of this special cluster formation process.
As an experimentalist, Papp found out over many years of hard won experience that contamination of his noble gases killed his reaction over time. So he came up with a homemade noble gas purification system.
He describes this purification system in his 1984 patent as follows:Please don’t concern yourselves about building this Papp purification system. In this modern age, there is an easier way to do this job.Quote The mixer extracts filters and neutralizes the non-inert gases and other contaminants which may be found in the gas mixture. It also increases the potential capacity of gas atoms, discharges the krypton and xenon gases, polarizes the argon gases, ionizes the gases in a manner such that the ionization is maintained until the gas has been utilized and otherwise prepares them for use as a fuel in engine 11. In particular, the mixer makes the gases easier to excite during operation of the engine. Mixing does not mean an atomic or molecular combination or unification of gases because inert gases cannot chemically combine, in general, due to the completeness of the outer shell of electrons. During mixing, the various gases form a homogeneous mixture. The mixing of the five inert gases in apparatus 201 is somewhat analogous to preparing a five part liquid chemical mixture by titration. In such a mixture, the proportions of the different chemicals are accurately determined by visually observing the end point of each reaction during titration.
Today, commercial off the shelf (COTS) noble gas purification systems can be obtained from many venders on the open market.
For example, see
http://www.nupure.com/Pages/ultrapure.htm
Are you saying that you are onboard with the idea that Papp's secret is the combination and formation of super-atom clusters as I floated out to the group in this post?
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=659&pid=10936#pid10936
If we all have enough imagination to believe that the Papp engine is real for some mysterious reason, then why can't we go ahead and believe in a mysterious gas process that would cluster the gas atoms together to substantially reduce the gas mixture volume (lets say 100 to 1, plus or minus 50). It is this pre-processed, pre-shrunk - clustered, whatever gas that is put in the cylinders at 1 atmosphere and ignited. If that gas expands 100 times, to produce 100 atmospheres of pressure for the down stoke, then now we are beginning to talk about a system that will produce the type of torque the dyno tested engine did.
I think our scammer boy JR has, unknowingly, created this gas shrinking process.
Again, here is the link:
http://dimensionalbliss.com/2011/08/06/p...planation/ (((this link doesn't work..)))
Of course JR's powers of observation are so poor, that this is what he said about the event when cross examined by a spectator:
Unknown - Is your fuel all gone?
Rohner - The fuel is all gone it sucks the balloon into the tube.
Unknown - When you open it up, there is no more fuel in that chamber?
Rohner - Consider for a moment what has to happen for the balloon to get pulled into the tube. It has to become a vacuum. It is all gone.
K C Dias: "It is all gone" Really??? Perhaps it just contracted by a factor of 100.
Come on folks, this is the missing part of the puzzle!
kcd
I can easily see that a spark will decompose a large cluster, but how do i picture the reverse?
And can we test this theory?
The best combination is 1 kJ for the main capacitor energy, a conical shape for the anode, 6-12 mm anode-cathode separation, iron for the anode material, and 14-15 kV for the trigger pulse amplitude. In these conditions, energies of up to 10 J per pulse are obtained in the 3-40 keV range for the X-ray pulses. In order to have a good reproducibility, a high-power, very fast, high-voltage trigger pulse is required. To fulfill these conditions, a pulse transformer and an air spark gap were added to the initial triggering device (a magnetic pulse compression circuit). With the new trigger pulse (20 J per pulse, 50-ns rise-time, 22-kV amplitude in an open circuit), an acceptable X-ray emission reproducibility was obtained
The take away: success is all in the way you all build your spark.
And what portion/percentage of the needed rays can be delivered by the constant work of the buckets?
If those do 90% of the work then how much can we tune-down the spark?
We have to work towards profitable equations.
