Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system

Ravenous Emu

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #200, on February 1st, 2012, 02:20 PM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 31st, 2012, 11:57 PM
yes, this is what i have been saying for a while now, this EPG not only can be a magmatic device but also a " electron extraction grid" and produce energy... :)

Move electrons... make current flow... current flow is energy... energy is what we are looking for...

~Russ
I'm somewhat lost.  you're talking about electrons... I'm talking about the protons.  We may be thinking the same thing but putting it differently.

My thought was... if you ionize your gas, so that you have only a postive charge.  Can you not run that through the copper piping?  Now, as long as this ionized gas is moving wouldn't it be producing electricity? (similar to how an alternator works... except inside the coils of wire.)

I never thought about running the EPG with the extracted electrons.  *Smack hand to forehead*
It would only make sense.  :D
So, the "amp consuming device" stan talks about for the water cell and the resonant cavity could power the EPG.

Thoughts:
I wonder if it didn't work last time because the ferrofuild was in a PLASTIC tube.  :huh: What if you actually used the copper tubing? would that have any different effect?

Stan mentioned something about eliminating lenz's law.  Does anyone have any good links for information about this?
Thanks

Gambino

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #201, on February 3rd, 2012, 07:49 AM »
Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 1st, 2012, 02:20 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 31st, 2012, 11:57 PM
yes, this is what i have been saying for a while now, this EPG not only can be a magmatic device but also a " electron extraction grid" and produce energy... :)

Move electrons... make current flow... current flow is energy... energy is what we are looking for...

~Russ
I'm somewhat lost.  you're talking about electrons... I'm talking about the protons.  We may be thinking the same thing but putting it differently.

My thought was... if you ionize your gas, so that you have only a postive charge.  Can you not run that through the copper piping?  Now, as long as this ionized gas is moving wouldn't it be producing electricity? (similar to how an alternator works... except inside the coils of wire.)

I never thought about running the EPG with the extracted electrons.  *Smack hand to forehead*
It would only make sense.  :D
So, the "amp consuming device" stan talks about for the water cell and the resonant cavity could power the EPG.

Thoughts:
I wonder if it didn't work last time because the ferrofuild was in a PLASTIC tube.  :huh: What if you actually used the copper tubing? would that have any different effect?

Stan mentioned something about eliminating lenz's law.  Does anyone have any good links for information about this?
Thanks
Someone posted a video of lecture that Stan gave on the EPG coil and how it works. In his lecture he specifically states that he strips off the electron from one gas and puts that in the copper tubing of the EPG with the other gas. This then becomes a new element that is magnetized and he uses the light frequency to accelerate the gas in the piping to create a magnetic field that runs through the coils to create the electricity.

I think your right the Ferro fluid is the wrong path, simply because it is Ferris material which is not magnetic in itself. If however you were to get fluid that was magnetic already then there is some possibility, but that would be outside the scope of what Stan Meyers describes in his video. As he plainly stated he is using the power of the light waves to accelerate the gases in the EPG.

How he does that is still a mystery in my mind and he does mingle some terminology from Science fiction with actual science. He goes further by stating that he can accelerate he gases to close to light speed, which is highly unlikely, but there would be no need to accelerate the gases to such a state if indeed they create a magnetic field sufficient to generate the energy to move the electrons in the copper coils.

The remaining questions I have in my head is how do you measure the net effect of ionising the gas and creating a new gaseous element? I suppose you can tell your on the right path once there is current flowing from the EPG, but we would not be able to determine what kind of gas was created in the process without some very expensive gear(possibly).

Russ, Good job so far. you have made some outstanding progress.



~Russ

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #202, on February 4th, 2012, 01:32 AM »Last edited on February 4th, 2012, 03:18 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from Gambino on February 3rd, 2012, 07:49 AM
Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 1st, 2012, 02:20 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 31st, 2012, 11:57 PM
yes, this is what i have been saying for a while now, this EPG not only can be a magmatic device but also a " electron extraction grid" and produce energy... :)

Move electrons... make current flow... current flow is energy... energy is what we are looking for...

~Russ
I'm somewhat lost.  you're talking about electrons... I'm talking about the protons.  We may be thinking the same thing but putting it differently.

My thought was... if you ionize your gas, so that you have only a postive charge.  Can you not run that through the copper piping?  Now, as long as this ionized gas is moving wouldn't it be producing electricity? (similar to how an alternator works... except inside the coils of wire.)

I never thought about running the EPG with the extracted electrons.  *Smack hand to forehead*
It would only make sense.  :D
So, the "amp consuming device" stan talks about for the water cell and the resonant cavity could power the EPG.

Thoughts:
I wonder if it didn't work last time because the ferrofuild was in a PLASTIC tube.  :huh: What if you actually used the copper tubing? would that have any different effect?

Stan mentioned something about eliminating lenz's law.  Does anyone have any good links for information about this?
Thanks
Someone posted a video of lecture that Stan gave on the EPG coil and how it works. In his lecture he specifically states that he strips off the electron from one gas and puts that in the copper tubing of the EPG with the other gas. This then becomes a new element that is magnetized and he uses the light frequency to accelerate the gas in the piping to create a magnetic field that runs through the coils to create the electricity.

I think your right the Ferro fluid is the wrong path, simply because it is Ferris material which is not magnetic in itself. If however you were to get fluid that was magnetic already then there is some possibility, but that would be outside the scope of what Stan Meyers describes in his video. As he plainly stated he is using the power of the light waves to accelerate the gases in the EPG.

How he does that is still a mystery in my mind and he does mingle some terminology from Science fiction with actual science. He goes further by stating that he can accelerate he gases to close to light speed, which is highly unlikely, but there would be no need to accelerate the gases to such a state if indeed they create a magnetic field sufficient to generate the energy to move the electrons in the copper coils.

The remaining questions I have in my head is how do you measure the net effect of ionising the gas and creating a new gaseous element? I suppose you can tell your on the right path once there is current flowing from the EPG, but we would not be able to determine what kind of gas was created in the process without some very expensive gear(possibly).

Russ, Good job so far. you have made some outstanding progress.
thanks for the kind words. could not do it with out all the support!

my take on the laser... THEORY! My take on the magnetic EPG TESTED...

now, EVERYONE please please please do me a favor!!!!!

read this:

http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Patents/Stan%20Meyer%20Dealership%20Sales%20Manual%201986.pdf

PDF page 88-104

this is what im going to be going through in my upcoming videos...


This is the only thing we have on paper...

we have this:



and tell me, this is Memo WFC418

in the "Birth on a new technology " book we start at memo WFC420...

what hapen to the WFC401 - WFC419?????????

BTW i don't have any more info on this WFC418 this is the only page...

the only thing we have is the Dealership Sales Manual...

thanks!!!

 ~Russ


phil

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #203, on February 4th, 2012, 06:20 AM »
Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 1st, 2012, 02:20 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 31st, 2012, 11:57 PM
~Russ
Thoughts:
I wonder if it didn't work last time because the ferrofuild was in a PLASTIC tube.  :huh: What if you actually used the copper tubing? would that have any different effect?
What about if the primaries were dual layer bifilar and not just straight wound coils?


BaronBassman

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #205, on February 5th, 2012, 07:09 AM »
Hey Russ! Great discussion here on Meyer's work.
For my two cents, I do NOT think ferrofluid was used for very obvious of reasons, the main ones being ferrofluid is: WAY too tech, WAY too expensive, and WAY too exotic. Pretty toxic too, isn't it? Doesn't seem to fit with the water for fuel/save the planet theme... I haven't dug into the EPG too much but after looking at so many 'devices' it looks like a monster joule theif to me... At the very least it resembles a toroid coil with a place for fluid to run through the middle where the magnet would usually be.
Water in, 'prepared' water (and gas?) out?? I wonder if the magnetic field will actually 'pump' the water through? Sure seems like it would help those molecules line up nice and neat by the time they get through those fields (if not actually tearing them apart completely)...
My two cent guess is that WATER is supposed to be the magnet, NOT ferrofluid. (Does this sound like DUH to you?)
Would love to see your device in person Russ, awesome build man!
Keep up the great work, you are an inspiration.
Derrick

~Russ

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #206, on February 7th, 2012, 02:06 AM »
Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 4th, 2012, 12:43 PM
Russ, when ya get a chance I've found this... I saw this and thought EPG! :D

http://www.freshpatents.com/Fluid-magnetizing-device-dt20061019ptan20060231474.php
"the fluid-magnetizing device is able to make a fluid spirally flow through a fluid pipeline under the action of the dense magnetic lines so that the fluid can be more efficiently magnetized"
can you download this with the diagrams and re upload it here??? i cant view the photos?
Thanks
~Russ

~Russ

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #207, on February 7th, 2012, 02:10 AM »
Quote from BaronBassman on February 5th, 2012, 07:09 AM
Hey Russ! Great discussion here on Meyer's work.
For my two cents, I do NOT think ferrofluid was used for very obvious of reasons, the main ones being ferrofluid is: WAY too tech, WAY too expensive, and WAY too exotic. Pretty toxic too, isn't it? Doesn't seem to fit with the water for fuel/save the planet theme... I haven't dug into the EPG too much but after looking at so many 'devices' it looks like a monster joule theif to me... At the very least it resembles a toroid coil with a place for fluid to run through the middle where the magnet would usually be.
Water in, 'prepared' water (and gas?) out?? I wonder if the magnetic field will actually 'pump' the water through? Sure seems like it would help those molecules line up nice and neat by the time they get through those fields (if not actually tearing them apart completely)...
My two cent guess is that WATER is supposed to be the magnet, NOT ferrofluid. (Does this sound like DUH to you?)
Would love to see your device in person Russ, awesome build man!
Keep up the great work, you are an inspiration.
Derrick
thanks! lots of ideas, gas... i believe its a gas.. strange things happen when you start paying with ionization of gasses and such... more to caom! mabby one day you will be able to see it in person! Best!

~Russ  

Ravenous Emu

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #208, on February 7th, 2012, 04:06 PM »
Here ya go russ.  The PDF, complete with diagrams. :D

Yes, you could probably could use a non-ferromagnetic material to run the epg...
However, I'm inclined to go back to ferromagnetic materials based on some research I've dug up...

Such as:
1) "A permanent magnet is nothing more than a ferromagnetic object in which all the domains are aligned in the same direction."
2) "All magnetism comes down to electrons. In the electromagnets we’ll discuss in a minute, magnetic fields result from electron flow through a conductor. In the case of permanent magnets, it’s the spinning of the electrons that creates magnetism, not their movement through a conducting material."
3) "There are only four elements in the world that are ferromagnetic at room temperature and can become permanently magnetized: iron, nickel, cobalt and gadolinium...."
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/java/domains/index.html
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/magnetacademy/magnets/page2.html

So, based on what makes a permanent magnet... Can we safely conclude that...
Iron is already magnetic, at room temperature? :cool:

Stan states many times he's not using the EPG to create the magnetic gas.  only to move it.
On that note, what if the only inputs to the EPG are to orient the magnetic fields and then to move those oriented magnetic fields?

Blazer

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #209, on February 7th, 2012, 08:28 PM »
Stan states in one of his speech that the epg has one moving part.  I was wondering if he may have had a ball or cylinder of some type sliding back and forth between the driver coils pushing the gas in the tube back and forth?  If you read at the end of Birth of a Technology manual I think it says the purpose of the epg is to power the fuel cell.  It also lays out the purposes of the various patents.

Blazer

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #210, on February 7th, 2012, 08:28 PM »
Stan states in one of his speech that the epg has one moving part.  I was wondering if he may have had a ball or cylinder of some type sliding back and forth between the driver coils pushing the gas in the tube back and forth?  If you read at the end of Birth of a Technology manual I think it says the purpose of the epg is to power the fuel cell.  It also lays out the purposes of the various patents.

Ravenous Emu

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #211, on February 7th, 2012, 08:44 PM »
Quote from Blazer on February 7th, 2012, 08:28 PM
Stan states in one of his speech that the epg has one moving part.  I was wondering if he may have had a ball or cylinder of some type sliding back and forth between the driver coils pushing the gas in the tube back and forth?  If you read at the end of Birth of a Technology manual I think it says the purpose of the epg is to power the fuel cell.  It also lays out the purposes of the various patents.
Oooo... here's a thought off of yours blazer.
What if this "ball" or "cylinder" was pulsed from one side of the pulser to the end ... and then, he reversed it to pull it back to its original spot...now, rinse and repeat :D

What if the ferro-fluid was there to "seal the gaps" around said ball or cylinder so you can actually move the rest of the ferro-fluid?

Blazer

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #212, on February 7th, 2012, 09:29 PM »
In that same speech Stan also talks about an electrostatic field.  If you look at the EPG patent then look at the picture of the one with the propeller drive and belt you can see it looks like he is collecting charges on the drive belt. Kind of like a Van de Graph.  I wonder if he could be slideing something back and forth to create static charges?

Blazer

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #213, on February 7th, 2012, 09:29 PM »
In that same speech Stan also talks about an electrostatic field.  If you look at the EPG patent then look at the picture of the one with the propeller drive and belt you can see it looks like he is collecting charges on the drive belt. Kind of like a Van de Graph.  I wonder if he could be slideing something back and forth to create static charges?

Martinup

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #214, on February 8th, 2012, 10:59 PM »Last edited on February 8th, 2012, 11:08 PM by Martinup
Hi all:

After looking at that other patent briefly. I saw an auger. to create a spin. Just a thought but take a flat piece of copper just undersized of the to inside dimension of your copper tubing. You know how log your copper pipe is. Just remove one end of your loop and fish it throught the whole works.

Just thoughts to brainstorm off.

Martin
Hi again:
Pardon me I forgot to mention that you would twist it by holding one end in avise and spin it with a drill. It would have
to soft copper of course. As to the direction be it clock wise or counter clock wise, I am not sure which would be better.
Pehaps the direction of your windings outside the assembly would affect this.  It would never have been thought about because it couldn't be seen Just an idea.

Martin

~Russ

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #215, on February 9th, 2012, 03:02 AM »
Quote from Martinup on February 8th, 2012, 10:59 PM
Hi all:

After looking at that other patent briefly. I saw an auger. to create a spin. Just a thought but take a flat piece of copper just undersized of the to inside dimension of your copper tubing. You know how log your copper pipe is. Just remove one end of your loop and fish it throught the whole works.

Just thoughts to brainstorm off.

Martin

Hi again:
Pardon me I forgot to mention that you would twist it by holding one end in avise and spin it with a drill. It would have
to soft copper of course. As to the direction be it clock wise or counter clock wise, I am not sure which would be better.
Pehaps the direction of your windings outside the assembly would affect this.  It would never have been thought about because it couldn't be seen Just an idea.

Martin
i believe Stan refers to that also. but in a non copper way. plastic or something?

cool,

~Russ

Martinup

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #216, on February 9th, 2012, 01:56 PM »Last edited on February 10th, 2012, 07:06 AM by Martinup
Hi guys:
 I have some more to ad and am firing off what others are writting so her goes chek this out.

When I looked at some of your pictures of Stan's Tube Coils I noticed a green colour on the copper. In construction, ( as I do). when working with copper water lines and running them through a concrete floor or touching a piece of steel stud they wrapp the pipe with black electrical tape to prevent the two surfaces from touching. This stops the oxidation or green coloration.  Basically the pipe is corroding. When I first saw them I just thought it was something to do with the mounting brackets he used being steel. But what if the corrosion is something we want in this case: "Breaking down or oxidization."

Perhaps what Ravnenous mentioned about Iron being magnetic at room temps. Perhaps a  strip of tin something with iron in it. I also thought about the number of turns or twists in the Helix being inserted inside the copper tubeing, ( or non magnetic tubing ) and the relationship IT, "THE Helix or Spiral", has  with the windings and their spacing on the outside of the tubes.
It might be something to consider where and what length does this Helix need to be placed?:
1) in the Centre straight sections of copper pipe. . . OR    
2) In the out side of circular tubes.

I have SOOO much to learn about the electronics stuff you guys are playing with so I ask and differ to you guys to consider it. Thanks.

Other thoughts:
1) ASK YOURSELF : WHAT IS AND WOULD BE GOING ON INSIDE ALL OF THE TUBES ALL ALONG AND THROUGH EPG?

From one of Stanley's lectures I thought he said there were NO MOVING PARTS TO WARE OUT.  So what is flowing inside the EPG?
 
2) THIS LAST THOUGHT MIGHT BE THE MOST IMORTANT OR KEY: What if it was water inside the EPG?

When I look at the drawings of what Stanley has above, submitted above by Russ, you will notice that the spiral material was represented by 3 lines kind of like a star. I also noticed that he used a drafting board to draw on by hand. What might be missing is a well drawn representation of a three sided  helix in, "  In a Section Drawing.". Now picture what we know as what our DNA looks like. It is TWO STRANDED right? Now Picture the same thing ONLY WITH THREE STRANDS.

Now When Drawing, "in section", ie looking into the end of a copper tube: It is difficult to Draw by hand a THREE STRANDED HELIX because it is actually three dimensional. This would take several drawings and different sectional drwaings to show.

If you think about it this is an accellerator. Things happen when you spin something in an accelerator or a centrafuge.
Water molecules are being stretched, and twisted. Perhaps the oxygen and Hydrogen are being guided or forced into seperate paths at a choke point after they are spun around at a high speed, " Gravitational force" .  At which point they are forced through a choke point and, " SET INTO YET ANOITHER KIND OF A SPIRAL SPIN and Continueing on."

Picture yourself as being a three sided water molecule, "water". Your are being flung around in a LOOP DE LOOP that is charged by the outside with copper windings. If I was a water molecule subjected to this kind of treatment me and all my other water molecule buddies would tend to orient ourselves in s cetain way and hold on for dear life. It might take us three rotations to all orientate the same way. Speaking at a Microscopic level.

AND THEN BANG LOW and BEHOLD THIS Long and uncomfortable but kind of exilerating LOOP DE LOOP ride BECOMES EVEN MORE EXCITING because up ahead we have, "PERHAPS THREE FORKS IN THE ROAD TO CHOOSE FROM?
STANLEY MAKES REFERENECE TO A CHOKE POINT EXCITING MOLECULES: I don't know where.
REMEMBER  myself and my other H2O buddies are aligned in a certain orientation and having fun but somehow being strained.

AGAIN this Single  Tube Becomes Three tubes so to spesk. In a nano second I as an individual H2O Molecule along with all my other H2O BUDDIES GET REALLY CONFUSED:         We hit a wall So to speak. "Call it an identy crissis or maybe a mid life Crisis" I mean why shouldn't science be fun? HA HA

Anyway Back to the age old questions, "WHAT AM I ?  Who am I ? and What am I doing Here? What is my purpose and so on ? " . . . Being a Water molecule I have, a Split Personality Disoder to Begin With."  . . .  
Depending on temperature I can be many things:
1) Liquid
2) Vapour
3) Steam Perhaps that is the same as # 2
4) I can also be a Solid or ICE
5) If I am seperated from my indivdual molecular bonds I can also be 1 part Oxygen and 2 parts Hydrogen
6) At the Atomic Level I Have Electrons Neutrons and Protons etc.
 
Side Note to # 6: I read Some ones writing on Covlleant bonding and Moles of heat, mass etc. elsewhere in this forum.  What you where saying made a lot of sense although I got lost in the formulas.  So who ever are, forgive me for not remembering your name, and please jump back in and share your thoughts and knowledge again.

Back to Me and My H2O Buddies who are are at this point loosing our ability to keep it together so to speak ( covallent bonding ). We are now back at the centre straight sections of the EPG. Question? : At his point are we being bit by a pulse or some other kind of an electrical charge?
If you where a water molecule being orientated  earlier on THE LOOP DE LOOP RIDE what way would you naturally oreintate? Consider the outer windings of the three outsider circular tube sections and what they are causing us to do?
Now me and all my other H2O buddies are being subjected to some other electrical or magnetic field. At This time all orientated in the same way and perhaps traveling faster . . . OR MAYBE NOT. Instantly we are split apart and altered in some way, " EITHER 1)  MOLECULARLY IN TO 2 PARTS HYDROGEN AND ONE PART OXYGEN? . . . OR  2) SOME OF OUR ELECTRONS ARE TAKEN FROM US? 3) OR BOTH?
 
What is H2O ?   . . . Two parts Hydrogen and One part oxygen. Given that Stanleys sytsem has multiple components doing various things to water a long a route as per the LED light spark plug thingy. Ha Ha!  I am  starting to loose even myself in this .

Gentlemen at this point I  am not sure if what I just wrote makes any sense. In following along and reading everyones input and their teachings Stanley seems to appear to me to be doing things to water on many levels:
1) Electrically charging it?
2) Polarizing it?
3) Magnitizing it?
4) Exposing it to gravity
5) Exposing it to light
6) Reintroducing Ambient air and Exhaust From Previous ignitions and  
7) Reintroducing or recombining them at various states all back together into the combustion chamber of a gas engine and igniting them.

All of the above with one goal in mind to extract large amounts of energy to do work.

At this point I am way beyond depth of knowlwedge. I have to personally go and learn an enormous and yet basic stuff about electronicly controlling all of these variables in a set order and time sequences.

Forgive me If I repeated or restated or confused what other people have been trying grasp and refine. I am trying to wrapp my head around what and exactly how Stanley did what he did.

I hope these ideas help trigger someone more knowledgable to apply it in relation to what you are building.

It comes from reading and trying to grasp and comprehend the results of your experiments.

So keep up the good work everyone. Thanks for stimulating my brain cells,

Martin

see my attached sketch,


Martinup

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #218, on February 10th, 2012, 07:59 AM »
Quote from Martinup on February 9th, 2012, 01:56 PM
Hi guys:
 I have some more to ad and am firing off what others are writting so her goes chek this out.

When I looked at some of your pictures of Stan's Tube Coils I noticed a green colour on the copper. In construction, ( as I do). when working with copper water lines and running them through a concrete floor or touching a piece of steel stud they wrapp the pipe with black electrical tape to prevent the two surfaces from touching. This stops the oxidation or green coloration.  Basically the pipe is corroding. When I first saw them I just thought it was something to do with the mounting brackets he used being steel. But what if the corrosion is something we want in this case: "Breaking down or oxidization."

Perhaps what Ravnenous mentioned about Iron being magnetic at room temps. Perhaps a  strip of tin something with iron in it. I also thought about the number of turns or twists in the Helix being inserted inside the copper tubeing, ( or non magnetic tubing ) and the relationship IT, "THE Helix or Spiral", has  with the windings and their spacing on the outside of the tubes.
It might be something to consider where and what length does this Helix need to be placed?:
1) in the Centre straight sections of copper pipe. . . OR    
2) In the out side of circular tubes.

I have SOOO much to learn about the electronics stuff you guys are playing with so I ask and differ to you guys to consider it. Thanks.

Other thoughts:
1) ASK YOURSELF : WHAT IS AND WOULD BE GOING ON INSIDE ALL OF THE TUBES ALL ALONG AND THROUGH EPG?

From one of Stanley's lectures I thought he said there were NO MOVING PARTS TO WARE OUT.  So what is flowing inside the EPG?
 
2) THIS LAST THOUGHT MIGHT BE THE MOST IMORTANT OR KEY: What if it was water inside the EPG?

When I look at the drawings of what Stanley has above, submitted above by Russ, you will notice that the spiral material was represented by 3 lines kind of like a star. I also noticed that he used a drafting board to draw on by hand. What might be missing is a well drawn representation of a three sided  helix in, "  In a Section Drawing.". Now picture what we know as what our DNA looks like. It is TWO STRANDED right? Now Picture the same thing ONLY WITH THREE STRANDS.

Now When Drawing, "in section", ie looking into the end of a copper tube: It is difficult to Draw by hand a THREE STRANDED HELIX because it is actually three dimensional. This would take several drawings and different sectional drwaings to show.

If you think about it this is an accellerator. Things happen when you spin something in an accelerator or a centrafuge.
Water molecules are being stretched, and twisted. Perhaps the oxygen and Hydrogen are being guided or forced into seperate paths at a choke point after they are spun around at a high speed, " Gravitational force" .  At which point they are forced through a choke point and, " SET INTO YET ANOITHER KIND OF A SPIRAL SPIN and Continueing on."

Picture yourself as being a three sided water molecule, "water". Your are being flung around in a LOOP DE LOOP that is charged by the outside with copper windings. If I was a water molecule subjected to this kind of treatment me and all my other water molecule buddies would tend to orient ourselves in s cetain way and hold on for dear life. It might take us three rotations to all orientate the same way. Speaking at a Microscopic level.

AND THEN BANG LOW and BEHOLD THIS Long and uncomfortable but kind of exilerating LOOP DE LOOP ride BECOMES EVEN MORE EXCITING because up ahead we have, "PERHAPS THREE FORKS IN THE ROAD TO CHOOSE FROM?
STANLEY MAKES REFERENECE TO A CHOKE POINT EXCITING MOLECULES: I don't know where.
REMEMBER  myself and my other H2O buddies are aligned in a certain orientation and having fun but somehow being strained.

AGAIN this Single  Tube Becomes Three tubes so to spesk. In a nano second I as an individual H2O Molecule along with all my other H2O BUDDIES GET REALLY CONFUSED:         We hit a wall So to speak. "Call it an identy crissis or maybe a mid life Crisis" I mean why shouldn't science be fun? HA HA

Anyway Back to the age old questions, "WHAT AM I ?  Who am I ? and What am I doing Here? What is my purpose and so on ? " . . . Being a Water molecule I have, a Split Personality Disoder to Begin With."  . . .  
Depending on temperature I can be many things:
1) Liquid
2) Vapour
3) Steam Perhaps that is the same as # 2
4) I can also be a Solid or ICE
5) If I am seperated from my indivdual molecular bonds I can also be 1 part Oxygen and 2 parts Hydrogen
6) At the Atomic Level I Have Electrons Neutrons and Protons etc.
 
Side Note to # 6: I read Some ones writing on Covlleant bonding and Moles of heat, mass etc. elsewhere in this forum.  What you where saying made a lot of sense although I got lost in the formulas.  So who ever are, forgive me for not remembering your name, and please jump back in and share your thoughts and knowledge again.

Back to Me and My H2O Buddies who are are at this point loosing our ability to keep it together so to speak ( covallent bonding ). We are now back at the centre straight sections of the EPG. Question? : At his point are we being bit by a pulse or some other kind of an electrical charge?
If you where a water molecule being orientated  earlier on THE LOOP DE LOOP RIDE what way would you naturally oreintate? Consider the outer windings of the three outsider circular tube sections and what they are causing us to do?
Now me and all my other H2O buddies are being subjected to some other electrical or magnetic field. At This time all orientated in the same way and perhaps traveling faster . . . OR MAYBE NOT. Instantly we are split apart and altered in some way, " EITHER 1)  MOLECULARLY IN TO 2 PARTS HYDROGEN AND ONE PART OXYGEN? . . . OR  2) SOME OF OUR ELECTRONS ARE TAKEN FROM US? 3) OR BOTH?
 
What is H2O ?   . . . Two parts Hydrogen and One part oxygen. Given that Stanleys sytsem has multiple components doing various things to water a long a route as per the LED light spark plug thingy. Ha Ha!  I am  starting to loose even myself in this .

Gentlemen at this point I  am not sure if what I just wrote makes any sense. In following along and reading everyones input and their teachings Stanley seems to appear to me to be doing things to water on many levels:
1) Electrically charging it?
2) Polarizing it?
3) Magnitizing it?
4) Exposing it to gravity
5) Exposing it to light
6) Reintroducing Ambient air and Exhaust From Previous ignitions and  
7) Reintroducing or recombining them at various states all back together into the combustion chamber of a gas engine and igniting them.

All of the above with one goal in mind to extract large amounts of energy to do work.

At this point I am way beyond depth of knowlwedge. I have to personally go and learn an enormous and yet basic stuff about electronicly controlling all of these variables in a set order and time sequences.

Forgive me If I repeated or restated or confused what other people have been trying grasp and refine. I am trying to wrapp my head around what and exactly how Stanley did what he did.

I hope these ideas help trigger someone more knowledgable to apply it in relation to what you are building.

It comes from reading and trying to grasp and comprehend the results of your experiments.

So keep up the good work everyone. Thanks for stimulating my brain cells,

Martin

see my attached sketch,
Compare this sketch with: Page 38 of the, "Stan Meyer Dealership Sales Manual 1986"
                              Also: Page 92 of the, " Stan Meyer Dealership Sales Manual 1986 "    
 
Electrically speaking apply labels to my above thumbnail:
I am asking for someones help review my thinking here to:

1) Label, " What charge is the copper pipe? "  . . . + ?
2) Label, " What charge is the spiral divider? ". . .  - ?
3) If the lets say," AN IRON Spiral Divider",  was used? Would it be touching the inner surface of the copper pipe OR SOMEHOW SUSPENDED OR INSULATED from it?
In other words it would form a water and gas tight seal creating , THREE SEPPERATE SPIRAL TUBES from the previous piping, "  one copper tube".
3) Would the Water Molecules be the Nuetral JUST BEFORE THEY COME TO THIS SECTION OF PIPE? From this point on, " COULD they become 2 PARTS HYDROGEN AND 1 PART OXYGEN ?"

Ravenous Emu

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #219, on February 10th, 2012, 11:03 AM »Last edited on February 10th, 2012, 01:17 PM by Ravenous Emu
"Call it an identy crissis or maybe a mid life Crisis" I mean why shouldn't science be fun? HA HA"
I about died laughing when I got to this! :D

My gut reaction is that it doesn't matter what charge the copper pipe has. (maybe it does... *shrug*)
My best guess is that it's a spiralling plastic divider in the tubing.

I did a little diggin into linear induction motors and found this nice little tidbit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_induction_motor
"In this design of electric motor, the force is produced by a moving linear magnetic field acting on conductors in the field. Any conductor, be it a loop, a coil or simply a piece of plate metal, that is placed in this field will have eddy currents induced in it thus creating an opposing magnetic field, in accordance with Lenz's law. The two opposing fields will repel each other, thus creating motion as the magnetic field sweeps through the metal."

I'm starting to think... this is why it's a copper tube.
The pulsing coils induce a current (aka. eddy current) in the copper tube. which generates a magnetic field (lenz's law).  So, when you pulse the coils the fluid moves.

Thought:  That might be why stan put a didvider between the tubes.  to prevent these eddy currents from "jumping" to another tube.


Found some more fun little links related to electromagnetic pumps and what not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pump
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic_drive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MHD_generator

http://www.comsol.com/papers/9352/
http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/SimpleMHD
http://www.animatedsoftware.com/pumpglos/magnflux.htm


~Russ

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #221, on February 11th, 2012, 03:43 AM »Last edited on February 11th, 2012, 03:44 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
note. when i say "primary" i really need to go back and change that... there is no primary. the coils you see are for aligning the gas... its a magnetic gas??? no need for a primary... but when the gas goes thru a pump... it get all jumbled...

again something i'm going to cover in an upcoming video. this means this is a magnetic device...

now number 4 is not the same??? or is it??? all in red is orientation coils but the blue is primary? ???

~Russ

PS all this data can be found in the dealership manual... READ IT! lol :)

~Russ

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #222, on February 11th, 2012, 03:51 AM »Last edited on February 11th, 2012, 03:56 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from Martinup on February 10th, 2012, 07:59 AM
Quote from Martinup on February 9th, 2012, 01:56 PM
Hi guys:
 I have some more to ad and am firing off what others are writting so her goes chek this out.

When I looked at some of your pictures of Stan's Tube Coils I noticed a green colour on the copper. In construction, ( as I do). when working with copper water lines and running them through a concrete floor or touching a piece of steel stud they wrapp the pipe with black electrical tape to prevent the two surfaces from touching. This stops the oxidation or green coloration.  Basically the pipe is corroding. When I first saw them I just thought it was something to do with the mounting brackets he used being steel. But what if the corrosion is something we want in this case: "Breaking down or oxidization."

Perhaps what Ravnenous mentioned about Iron being magnetic at room temps. Perhaps a  strip of tin something with iron in it. I also thought about the number of turns or twists in the Helix being inserted inside the copper tubeing, ( or non magnetic tubing ) and the relationship IT, "THE Helix or Spiral", has  with the windings and their spacing on the outside of the tubes.
It might be something to consider where and what length does this Helix need to be placed?:
1) in the Centre straight sections of copper pipe. . . OR    
2) In the out side of circular tubes.

I have SOOO much to learn about the electronics stuff you guys are playing with so I ask and differ to you guys to consider it. Thanks.

Other thoughts:
1) ASK YOURSELF : WHAT IS AND WOULD BE GOING ON INSIDE ALL OF THE TUBES ALL ALONG AND THROUGH EPG?

From one of Stanley's lectures I thought he said there were NO MOVING PARTS TO WARE OUT.  So what is flowing inside the EPG?
 
2) THIS LAST THOUGHT MIGHT BE THE MOST IMORTANT OR KEY: What if it was water inside the EPG?

When I look at the drawings of what Stanley has above, submitted above by Russ, you will notice that the spiral material was represented by 3 lines kind of like a star. I also noticed that he used a drafting board to draw on by hand. What might be missing is a well drawn representation of a three sided  helix in, "  In a Section Drawing.". Now picture what we know as what our DNA looks like. It is TWO STRANDED right? Now Picture the same thing ONLY WITH THREE STRANDS.

Now When Drawing, "in section", ie looking into the end of a copper tube: It is difficult to Draw by hand a THREE STRANDED HELIX because it is actually three dimensional. This would take several drawings and different sectional drwaings to show.

If you think about it this is an accellerator. Things happen when you spin something in an accelerator or a centrafuge.
Water molecules are being stretched, and twisted. Perhaps the oxygen and Hydrogen are being guided or forced into seperate paths at a choke point after they are spun around at a high speed, " Gravitational force" .  At which point they are forced through a choke point and, " SET INTO YET ANOITHER KIND OF A SPIRAL SPIN and Continueing on."

Picture yourself as being a three sided water molecule, "water". Your are being flung around in a LOOP DE LOOP that is charged by the outside with copper windings. If I was a water molecule subjected to this kind of treatment me and all my other water molecule buddies would tend to orient ourselves in s cetain way and hold on for dear life. It might take us three rotations to all orientate the same way. Speaking at a Microscopic level.

AND THEN BANG LOW and BEHOLD THIS Long and uncomfortable but kind of exilerating LOOP DE LOOP ride BECOMES EVEN MORE EXCITING because up ahead we have, "PERHAPS THREE FORKS IN THE ROAD TO CHOOSE FROM?
STANLEY MAKES REFERENECE TO A CHOKE POINT EXCITING MOLECULES: I don't know where.
REMEMBER  myself and my other H2O buddies are aligned in a certain orientation and having fun but somehow being strained.

AGAIN this Single  Tube Becomes Three tubes so to spesk. In a nano second I as an individual H2O Molecule along with all my other H2O BUDDIES GET REALLY CONFUSED:         We hit a wall So to speak. "Call it an identy crissis or maybe a mid life Crisis" I mean why shouldn't science be fun? HA HA

Anyway Back to the age old questions, "WHAT AM I ?  Who am I ? and What am I doing Here? What is my purpose and so on ? " . . . Being a Water molecule I have, a Split Personality Disoder to Begin With."  . . .  
Depending on temperature I can be many things:
1) Liquid
2) Vapour
3) Steam Perhaps that is the same as # 2
4) I can also be a Solid or ICE
5) If I am seperated from my indivdual molecular bonds I can also be 1 part Oxygen and 2 parts Hydrogen
6) At the Atomic Level I Have Electrons Neutrons and Protons etc.
 
Side Note to # 6: I read Some ones writing on Covlleant bonding and Moles of heat, mass etc. elsewhere in this forum.  What you where saying made a lot of sense although I got lost in the formulas.  So who ever are, forgive me for not remembering your name, and please jump back in and share your thoughts and knowledge again.

Back to Me and My H2O Buddies who are are at this point loosing our ability to keep it together so to speak ( covallent bonding ). We are now back at the centre straight sections of the EPG. Question? : At his point are we being bit by a pulse or some other kind of an electrical charge?
If you where a water molecule being orientated  earlier on THE LOOP DE LOOP RIDE what way would you naturally oreintate? Consider the outer windings of the three outsider circular tube sections and what they are causing us to do?
Now me and all my other H2O buddies are being subjected to some other electrical or magnetic field. At This time all orientated in the same way and perhaps traveling faster . . . OR MAYBE NOT. Instantly we are split apart and altered in some way, " EITHER 1)  MOLECULARLY IN TO 2 PARTS HYDROGEN AND ONE PART OXYGEN? . . . OR  2) SOME OF OUR ELECTRONS ARE TAKEN FROM US? 3) OR BOTH?
 
What is H2O ?   . . . Two parts Hydrogen and One part oxygen. Given that Stanleys sytsem has multiple components doing various things to water a long a route as per the LED light spark plug thingy. Ha Ha!  I am  starting to loose even myself in this .

Gentlemen at this point I  am not sure if what I just wrote makes any sense. In following along and reading everyones input and their teachings Stanley seems to appear to me to be doing things to water on many levels:
1) Electrically charging it?
2) Polarizing it?
3) Magnitizing it?
4) Exposing it to gravity
5) Exposing it to light
6) Reintroducing Ambient air and Exhaust From Previous ignitions and  
7) Reintroducing or recombining them at various states all back together into the combustion chamber of a gas engine and igniting them.

All of the above with one goal in mind to extract large amounts of energy to do work.

At this point I am way beyond depth of knowlwedge. I have to personally go and learn an enormous and yet basic stuff about electronicly controlling all of these variables in a set order and time sequences.

Forgive me If I repeated or restated or confused what other people have been trying grasp and refine. I am trying to wrapp my head around what and exactly how Stanley did what he did.

I hope these ideas help trigger someone more knowledgable to apply it in relation to what you are building.

It comes from reading and trying to grasp and comprehend the results of your experiments.

So keep up the good work everyone. Thanks for stimulating my brain cells,

Martin

see my attached sketch,
Compare this sketch with: Page 38 of the, "Stan Meyer Dealership Sales Manual 1986"
                              Also: Page 92 of the, " Stan Meyer Dealership Sales Manual 1986 "    
 
Electrically speaking apply labels to my above thumbnail:
I am asking for someones help review my thinking here to:

1) Label, " What charge is the copper pipe? "  . . . + ?
2) Label, " What charge is the spiral divider? ". . .  - ?
3) If the lets say," AN IRON Spiral Divider",  was used? Would it be touching the inner surface of the copper pipe OR SOMEHOW SUSPENDED OR INSULATED from it?
In other words it would form a water and gas tight seal creating , THREE SEPPERATE SPIRAL TUBES from the previous piping, "  one copper tube".
3) Would the Water Molecules be the Nuetral JUST BEFORE THEY COME TO THIS SECTION OF PIPE? From this point on, " COULD they become 2 PARTS HYDROGEN AND 1 PART OXYGEN ?"
so is the magnetic field spinning what way>
see attachment...

Martinup

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #223, on February 11th, 2012, 05:31 AM »
Thanks you for the good links above Ravenous. I am trying to keep clear the flow of electricity and the flow of the magnetic fields clear in my head.

Blazer where can I get a copy of, " The Birth of a New Technology ? " You mentioned

I am itching to build an EPG. Where is some information on , " a HOW-TO-BUILD  RUSS'S Coil Winder?

Russ: Are we only looking to generate Current or are we Producing Hydrogen and some other biproducts with the EPG?

Thanks for a wonderful Interactive Forum to Learn and work together in.

Cheers all  !
Martin
 

Ravenous Emu

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #224, on February 11th, 2012, 10:17 AM »
Thoughts on the spiral divider:
:idea: just read through it again :idea: ... ever had one of those DUH! moments?

Under EPG: ATTENUATING GAS-FIELD
"To spin the moving gas along the longitudinal axis (aka down the pipe) with out mechanical displacment, a multichannel 'spiral divider' is inserted in the entire length of the tubular 'pathway' beyond the gas accelerator stage."

Why are "Spiral Divider" and "Pathway" in quotes?

Food for thought.
How is the basic EPG constructed?
1) a pump
2) orientation coils
3) copper tubing
4) wire coils around the tubing.

He coiled the tubing... In a Spiral! Thus, he "divided" the coils.
Check out Figure 33 and compare to Figure 26A (rotational deflection).

That's a crude way of showing how the tubing is grouped together. :D

What I still don't understand is... how the Vertical and Horzontal deflection works.  Or how he gets it in the first place.