I had time to think about the gas "lattice" today:  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndyeWrcvITA

What do ya think?

Nate

Quote from phil on June 4th, 2011, 06:10 PM

Quote from Rwg42985 on June 3rd, 2011, 04:21 PM

Quote from phil on June 3rd, 2011, 03:35 PM

Im waiting on delivery of parts, the only truly non magnetic pump i found was a drill powered pump for £8, bakolite body with a rubber impeller 1000 lpm, you connect it to a drill or motor or whatever you want i did have my eye on a swimming pool pump as that has all plastic impeller but it was like £80 and i didnt want to pay out on that and only use the impeller and be left with a dirty great electric motor that i wasnt going to use, ordered a big lump of 25mm diameter x 200mm long soft iron rod to make the cores out of. Gonig to pick up a lathe/milling machine combo hopefully next week sometime.

Once im done im gonna do a test run with water, just to check for leaks and see how the pump runs, then blow the core out with compressed air and go for ferro fluid.

Ive wound one primary on a PTFE tape reel once i get the iron core done ill have a play with the primaries.

I have toyed with the idea of getting a couple of bad ass N52 ring magnets made up with a 10mm hole up the middle to provide the magnetic field and try just a pump/permenent magnet arrangement, forget about the pulsing. Might get DC output from that.

Good update.

Can you post a photo of the core you are going to make? After some testing the core may need separate cores... Spaced slightly apart. And I'm building a copper EPG to spec of stans... I have this felling that Ferro fluid was used.

What was your calculation of the amount of Ferro fluid?

Thanks for the update.

~Russ

Yes ill get some pics up as soon as i got something to show.

i need 2 cores for the mech EPG, one either side of the pump. The centres of the plumbers tape spools are 25mm hole. The soft iron rod i ordered is 25mm Diameter. Just gonna cut two lengths  16mm thick and drill a 10mm hole in the centre to fit the copper pipe thru. Got my speaker knobs to hold the things in place at the ready, just waiting on the core.

My calculation for the amount of fluid was.
Copper OD 10mm. Wall thickness 0.7mm.
Copper ID is 10mm-0.7mm-0.7mm = 8.6mm ID.
Therefor radius is 4.3mm.
PI x 4.3 x 4.3 = 58 mm2.
Take the 58mm2 this is the cross sectional area of the tube ID and multiply it by the length of the spiral plus any additonal fill point etc. Will give you the volume of the pipe. (If im using a pump there will be a bit extra to fill the pump body).

I think my spiral is about 4.7m long. Your pipe should have about the same 58mm2 crosssection as mine. Just insert your tube length in the calculation.

I convert to centimeters here so i get milliltres in the answer.

0.58 cm2 x (tube length in centimetres) 470cm = 272.8 cm3 or 272.8 ml.

A 500 ml bottle would nearly fill 2 18 inch EPGs. Cost about £200 so thats what $350? or you can brew your own from PCB etchant ferric chloride, household ammonia and oleic acid. They are all cheap.  I posted a link here showing a process where it was done on a small scale and it wasnt that great yield. I'd be guesiing you'd need to knock it up in a barrel the get the 300-400 ml you may need. Didnt wanna do it in my back yard in case the neighbours thought i was cookin meth, ha ha. It would be cheaper to make the ferrofluid yourself but it looked quite labour intensive...lots of stirring.
When faced with spending all weekend stirring a barrel of goo givng off fumes, i choose to do some overtime and buy a bottle.

If you ever get you hands on 500ml bottle of ferro fluid i think you should give one of your rodins a bath before you pour it in the EPG, always wondered how the fields would look around one of those things. Would we see the vortex?

I do however see one problem with ferro fluid. Ive been watching vids of electromagnets and FF. The magnets seem to be much bigger than the EPGs coils and they only move the FF a couple of inches at best. I cant see how the magnetic field from those two coils(mech EPG) makes it thru 4.7m of copper pipe filled with FF. Im sitting here with 2 permenant magnets and its more like 4.7.cm they start to attract.

But then ive only been watching videos. Maybe its just the surface tension of the oil looking like its a weak reaction and those iron particles are goin nuts under the surface.

Still i want to get as much kick out of my primaries as possible. Am i right in thinking short sharp high voltage pulses into the primaries will do this? Big magnetic reaction in the coil? Maybe off a spark gap, i got some little tranformers out of plasma globes somewhere. Or a litle NST.

i have a fealling that i high voltage spike will be good... just need some testing now... i also have a felling that its all in the EMF that the pickup coils work the best... just some thoughts...

~Russ

Quote from phil on June 5th, 2011, 01:49 PM

Top job with the knightrider coils. Just what i wanted to see happen too. See if someone can donate you some david hasselhoff leather trousers. ha ha

haha what? lol funny stuff man! and i wont were them if i get them... lol

~Russ

Quote from firepinto on June 6th, 2011, 08:42 PM

I had time to think about the gas "lattice" today:  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndyeWrcvITA

What do ya think?

Nate

Nate, love that your thinking on this level…

well, the magnets left and right of the center magnet will attract like you think, but the magnets below and above will be the opposite as there trying to align N – S so if you had ring magnets and you had 4 of them, and they made a square pattern, there would be 2 facing one way and 2 facing the other…

so you will have a zig zag pattern with your flux lines… yes?

Then if you turned them I think they would lock up… like fighting each other…

Now if you had just one big magnet ring with one row of magnets then this would work just fine!
One other thing is that the gas lattice is not the direction you are describing, it’s the opposite.  

See there is suppose to be a magnet on the entrance of the EPG to align the gas the correct direction…

So if you had a gas with a bunch of tinny magnets you would have a pattern like this…  

(from stans video)




Also states that the argon in an insulator.???

Thanks, ~Russ

Build Update,

New Gas processor The Processor… The Hydrogen Gas Gun… Sweet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kQnTRJ9Q6Q

Thanks, ~Russ

Quote from Rwg42985 on June 7th, 2011, 03:46 AM

Quote from firepinto on June 6th, 2011, 08:42 PM

I had time to think about the gas "lattice" today:  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndyeWrcvITA

What do ya think?

Nate

Nate, love that your thinking on this level…

well, the magnets left and right of the center magnet will attract like you think, but the magnets below and above will be the opposite as there trying to align N – S so if you had ring magnets and you had 4 of them, and they made a square pattern, there would be 2 facing one way and 2 facing the other…

so you will have a zig zag pattern with your flux lines… yes?

Then if you turned them I think they would lock up… like fighting each other…

Now if you had just one big magnet ring with one row of magnets then this would work just fine!
One other thing is that the gas lattice is not the direction you are describing, it’s the opposite.  

See there is suppose to be a magnet on the entrance of the EPG to align the gas the correct direction…

So if you had a gas with a bunch of tinny magnets you would have a pattern like this…  

(from stans video)




Also states that the argon in an insulator.???

Thanks, ~Russ

Hi all I had some similar thoughts as firepinto.  Only to seperate  axial orientated ring mags with a marble or copper or aluminum sphere and pulse back and forth.  Be it magnetic gas or magnets if they spin fast enough they will center themselves within the pipe due to the diametric properties of the copper pipe.  Also I recall a lecture by Eric Dollard and he claimed that a small voltage applied to 2 bearings inside a pipe and connected by a shaft would spin??? Blazer

Quote from Rwg42985 on June 7th, 2011, 03:46 AM

Nate, love that your thinking on this level…

well, the magnets left and right of the center magnet will attract like you think, but the magnets below and above will be the opposite as there trying to align N – S so if you had ring magnets and you had 4 of them, and they made a square pattern, there would be 2 facing one way and 2 facing the other…

so you will have a zig zag pattern with your flux lines… yes?

Then if you turned them I think they would lock up… like fighting each other…

Now if you had just one big magnet ring with one row of magnets then this would work just fine!
One other thing is that the gas lattice is not the direction you are describing, it’s the opposite.  

See there is suppose to be a magnet on the entrance of the EPG to align the gas the correct direction…

So if you had a gas with a bunch of tinny magnets you would have a pattern like this…  

(from stans video)




Also states that the argon in an insulator.???

Thanks, ~Russ

I'm not sure if the magnets would lock up or not.  I wish I had a bunch to try it lol I'm really curious.

 So the magnets on the entrance keep the magnetic field perpendicular to the magnetic field the pulsing coil will cause.  If that's the case then turning the coil on rotates the particle's magnetic field 90 degrees pointing it toward the coil (and probably makes it flow a little too).  Then if you reverse polarity on the coil the field rotates back the other way 180 degrees.  That could be how what you put in is what you get out.  If you only pulse with DC, you only rotate the particle fields 90 degrees.  I picture all that happening like the wave at a stadium emanating from either side of the pulse coil around the pipe.  If all that is correct, then I would think the aligning magnet could be another coil that would turn off while the pulse coil is on.  That would eliminate the two fields canceling each other out.

I forgot about the insulator atoms in the lattice. Did he say that the insulator was bonded to the magnetic particles?  If so that would be a liquid, no?   I think any gas they use for welding would be an insulator.  I can ask my dad or brother more about that.  I know it is there to shield the weld.  I have been reading up more about helium.  There are some interesting facts about helium-3 that I want to gather up and post.  


Nate

Quote from firepinto on June 6th, 2011, 08:42 PM

I had time to think about the gas "lattice" today:  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndyeWrcvITA

What do ya think?

Nate

If you spin the drive magnet thru the centre on a shaft would it cause all the other magnets to flip like dominos? Or i wonder if the combined stregth of all the other magnets would overpower it.? Either way i can seee there still being a lenz drag on those magnets if you started putting coils around them.

I just had a little play with 3 magnets in  a row. they did want to flip one after another, but it felt like the drive magnets rotating force was being split between the magnets.

Try tying a string thru a few magnets and weigh the bottos down so they can pivot without sticking together and give it a try.

Quote from phil on June 7th, 2011, 05:50 PM

Quote from firepinto on June 6th, 2011, 08:42 PM

I had time to think about the gas "lattice" today:  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndyeWrcvITA

What do ya think?

Nate

If you spin the drive magnet thru the centre on a shaft would it cause all the other magnets to flip like dominos? Or i wonder if the combined stregth of all the other magnets would overpower it.? Either way i can seee there still being a lenz drag on those magnets if you started putting coils around them.

I just had a little play with 3 magnets in  a row. they did want to flip one after another, but it felt like the drive magnets rotating force was being split between the magnets.

Try tying a string thru a few magnets and weigh the bottos down so they can pivot without sticking together and give it a try.

Now that i think about it they really mesh like gears.  So half of the magnets would spin clockwise and half counter clockwise.  I really cant grasp how the lattice would stay like its shown on the Stan movies.  I would think after a few pulses of the coil all the north's would be stuck to the south's.  Unless the lattice actually has physical structure that conforms to the pipe some how.  

Love the HHO gun, Here is some supporting information for the electron spin components responsibility for the subsequent photon EMF.
click  here for

full lecture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M6uI9uZARA


Because of Rayleigh scattering there is a five to one chance of this scattering with UV light over red.
so the higher UV range will scatter, or add a pressure to move more diploles then with IR alone. So there is more then one thing going on here.

Rayleigh scattering (named after the British physicist Lord Rayleigh) is the elastic scattering of light or other electromagnetic radiation by particles much smaller than the wavelength of the light, which may be individual atoms or molecules. It can occur when light travels through transparent solids and liquids, but is most prominently seen in gases. Rayleigh scattering is a function of the electric polarizability of the particles.

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This is a ferro fluid filled piece of 12mm OD 8mm ID flexible clear plastic pipe.
The pipe next to it is an air core with roughly the same number of turns and inductance as the small coil on the ring. The other one is about twice the size and double the inductance of the first.

It seems the ferro fluid did not affect the inductance of the coil at all. Usually goes up if you stick something metal thru the air coil.

When pulsed off a signal generator i did get the same waveform out on the scope, but got exactly the same when the air core was positioned anywhere near the toroid.

when i wiggled some magnets around near the coil i got a tiny spike, but when i moved the magnets away to just the ferro fluid nothing.

But i can pick that whole toroid up with 2 little neo rods.

Ok, i know this was never gonna churn out free energy, i was just trying a fero fluid core as opposed to an air core. Didnt want to spend ages making something fancy.

I have found out that on a magnet youve got a B field and an H field. B comes out the end of the core and H loops back round and into the magnet.

Im guessing in an EPG we want more B and less H if thats possible. As apparently the B goes on for infinity in a straight line unless guided by a curve.

Then while i was looking for ways to concentrate or focus the B-field i found that copper or aluminium can be used as kind of a magnetic guide, magnetism follows the path of least resistance, right? Could this be the reason for all the copper, i've heard of transformers being covered in mu-metal to contain the magnetic fields?

And could it explain why theres an aluminium plate on the end of the coils, maybe to minimize the effet of the H field and enhance the B field?

Quote

I have been reading up more about helium.  There are some interesting facts about helium-3 that I want to gather up and post

Nate if you look this up, please keep in mined that to make carbon nano tubes (which are magnetic... {kinda}) you do this with helium and carbon arc... this is something i was going to try as gas...

~Russ

I just drew up this half baked idea I've been having for winding EPG coils.  I don't know how much help it would be especially in the areas where the spool will bump into the pulse coil tubes.  I drew it on paint.NET, but I also saved it as a .bmp and attached both.

Ill see if I can explain how it would work. lol The blue and part would be in two halves, with slots allowing adjustment for the 4 screws that attach the gray clamping bars.  I would say the gray bars are clamped down on the EPG copper pipes first, then attach the blue "bearing" halves.  The red part either needs to be in halves, or have a slot cut in to allow it to be slipped around the copper pipes.  I didn't draw anything for that. :-P  The 3 screws with washers are what hold the "bearing" together.  They should be tightened just enough to let the washers spin.  Washers are on both sides, and are what hold the red part centered with the blue part.  The screws should be more evenly spaced, its a quick sketch! lol The large bolt with the wing nut is what holds the wire spool, and gives it tension.  Once it is together you just rotate the red part around to wind the coil on the EPG copper.  An adjustable wire guide could possibly be added to keep the coil winding neat.

It might be more trouble to make than it is to just wind by hand.  But I thought i would pass it on. :-)

Nate
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Quote from firepinto on June 15th, 2011, 07:02 PM

I just drew up this half baked idea I've been having for winding EPG coils.  I don't know how much help it would be especially in the areas where the spool will bump into the pulse coil tubes.  I drew it on paint.NET, but I also saved it as a .bmp and attached both.

Ill see if I can explain how it would work. lol The blue and part would be in two halves, with slots allowing adjustment for the 4 screws that attach the gray clamping bars.  I would say the gray bars are clamped down on the EPG copper pipes first, then attach the blue "bearing" halves.  The red part either needs to be in halves, or have a slot cut in to allow it to be slipped around the copper pipes.  I didn't draw anything for that. :-P  The 3 screws with washers are what hold the "bearing" together.  They should be tightened just enough to let the washers spin.  Washers are on both sides, and are what hold the red part centered with the blue part.  The screws should be more evenly spaced, its a quick sketch! lol The large bolt with the wing nut is what holds the wire spool, and gives it tension.  Once it is together you just rotate the red part around to wind the coil on the EPG copper.  An adjustable wire guide could possibly be added to keep the coil winding neat.

It might be more trouble to make than it is to just wind by hand.  But I thought i would pass it on. :-)

Nate

Dude, that is sweet! ~Russ

I haven't been able to get matt in here so i am posting some of his stuff from facebook

youtube channel is: "mattimber"



Matt Imber
‎"My EEC is a first prototype. I really need to wind the coils using the same wire, and I'd like to have the coil cores (spools) made of a Faramagnetic material or even Metglas. I've started a new EEC coil assembly using a bifilar coil assembly directly wound onto the copper tubing. I still need to assemble the PWM & Toroid to my power supply and see if this improves the efficiency. The EEC theoretically acts as a gas deionizer, making the HHO more parahydrogen and para-oxygen - provding more energy. I thought of adding LEDs in between each coil to help direct the flow of electrons in one direction."

Matt Imber
"The coil of tubing with the coils in series around the tubing is what I envision the Electron Extraction circuit was that the late Stanley Meyer had working in his patents. I need to place diodes (LEDs) in betwen the coils (100 coils with ~100 turns = ~1000 turns = ~100 volts, which is theoretically induced by the hydrated electrons inside the tubing, in which HHO gas is run through aft a bubbler or directly from a wet cell electrolyzer design or dry cell. The following video shows a recent replication of an EEC, but this is a later version called the Hydrogen Gun" Stan Meyer invented: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXdDZk6ubII&feature=related. It's basically a water plasma (HHO Gas) deionizer. It siphons off the "hydrated electrons" from the charged gas cluster mixture of O2 and H2, with the extra 4 electrons per water molocule. Theoretically, the coils are induced spontaneously, provided the coils all rotate the same direction, and the diodes in series between the coils are also all facing the smae direction. The resulting effect is that the 100 diodes on the EEC assembly would glow like a Christmas tree and burn off the free electrons as the JJO gas passes thru the tubing. This deionizes the HHO gas and makes it more powerful, resulting in "Para-Hydrogen" (as opposed to "Ortho-Hydrogen" ) according to Moray King"

Matt Imber
"I've not yet assembled the EEC. I've been too busy with my other projects, which include my garden, but I'm getting close. I have wound the 6 inch toroid coild that I learned to do from reading the Bob Boyce D9 Pusle Width Modulator (which I also have ready to assemble). I would like to avoid using saintless steel altogether, though and would like to collaborate with a local guy to use my EEC in combination with his brass emitters used for bioelectric therapy - similar to what John Kanzius was doing. I don't want catalysts like KOH or pot ash lye, etc. I also don't want hexavelant chromium in the water from the stainless steel. I want to the most bang for the buck."



Matt Imber
"This part of my Electron Extraction Circuit (EEC from Stan Meyer's Patents) I plan to install on the HHO electrolyzer (Google: "Joe Miracle Cell" for the video). The copper tubing will have HHO gas (oxyhydrogen gas) flowing thru it along with water condensate, and also trillions of hydrated electrons from the broken covalent bonds from the water dissassociation. The 100 small coils, are in series encircling the copper tubing of HHO, will serve as the large electron extraction coil on the EEC. This coil will be in parallel with a winding on the toroidal transfermer choke coil for the DC pulse width modulator (Bob Boyce D9 design or similar). A blocking dioade also helps get the flow going in the EEC."

Quote from dirtwill on June 17th, 2011, 01:49 PM

I haven't been able to get matt in here so i am posting some of his stuff from facebook

youtube channel is: "mattimber"



Matt Imber
‎"My EEC is a first prototype. I really need to wind the coils using the same wire, and I'd like to have the coil cores (spools) made of a Faramagnetic material or even Metglas. I've started a new EEC coil assembly using a bifilar coil assembly directly wound onto the copper tubing. I still need to assemble the PWM & Toroid to my power supply and see if this improves the efficiency. The EEC theoretically acts as a gas deionizer, making the HHO more parahydrogen and para-oxygen - provding more energy. I thought of adding LEDs in between each coil to help direct the flow of electrons in one direction."

Matt Imber
"The coil of tubing with the coils in series around the tubing is what I envision the Electron Extraction circuit was that the late Stanley Meyer had working in his patents. I need to place diodes (LEDs) in betwen the coils (100 coils with ~100 turns = ~1000 turns = ~100 volts, which is theoretically induced by the hydrated electrons inside the tubing, in which HHO gas is run through aft a bubbler or directly from a wet cell electrolyzer design or dry cell. The following video shows a recent replication of an EEC, but this is a later version called the Hydrogen Gun" Stan Meyer invented: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXdDZk6ubII&feature=related. It's basically a water plasma (HHO Gas) deionizer. It siphons off the "hydrated electrons" from the charged gas cluster mixture of O2 and H2, with the extra 4 electrons per water molocule. Theoretically, the coils are induced spontaneously, provided the coils all rotate the same direction, and the diodes in series between the coils are also all facing the smae direction. The resulting effect is that the 100 diodes on the EEC assembly would glow like a Christmas tree and burn off the free electrons as the JJO gas passes thru the tubing. This deionizes the HHO gas and makes it more powerful, resulting in "Para-Hydrogen" (as opposed to "Ortho-Hydrogen" ) according to Moray King"

Matt Imber
"I've not yet assembled the EEC. I've been too busy with my other projects, which include my garden, but I'm getting close. I have wound the 6 inch toroid coild that I learned to do from reading the Bob Boyce D9 Pusle Width Modulator (which I also have ready to assemble). I would like to avoid using saintless steel altogether, though and would like to collaborate with a local guy to use my EEC in combination with his brass emitters used for bioelectric therapy - similar to what John Kanzius was doing. I don't want catalysts like KOH or pot ash lye, etc. I also don't want hexavelant chromium in the water from the stainless steel. I want to the most bang for the buck."



Matt Imber
"This part of my Electron Extraction Circuit (EEC from Stan Meyer's Patents) I plan to install on the HHO electrolyzer (Google: "Joe Miracle Cell" for the video). The copper tubing will have HHO gas (oxyhydrogen gas) flowing thru it along with water condensate, and also trillions of hydrated electrons from the broken covalent bonds from the water dissassociation. The 100 small coils, are in series encircling the copper tubing of HHO, will serve as the large electron extraction coil on the EEC. This coil will be in parallel with a winding on the toroidal transfermer choke coil for the DC pulse width modulator (Bob Boyce D9 design or similar). A blocking dioade also helps get the flow going in the EEC."

Hummmm, you know I never really thought of this device as being a'n EEC. Intresting thought! Thanks for posting his work! ~Russ

[attachment=85]OK, so the pump i got, turns out i can piss faster than the stupid thing... well what did i expect for £4. Serves me right i guess. So i had to let the moths out of my wallet and fork out for something bigger.

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This is a 60 LPM swimming pool pump turbine. It was a bit of a wrench to have to junk a brand new motor part of it but for it to seal properly will involve cutting the shaft down and mounting it to a more OU friendly motor. Something smaller, the original motor section was too big to fit in the EPG. The original pump was a 'Clarke SPP3'. The orignial motor ran at 2800 rpm. 180 watts.


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Here it is in the EPG core. Perfect fit. Gotta fit some reducers coz its a 1 inch bore and need marry it up with my 10mm copper core and still have room for the primary coils.

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Got the front cover removed here. And a side view showing the existing shaft, this will need cutting down.

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Heres the impeller with a little stainless non-magnetic spring loaded dooberry on the back , i guess to stop the impeller comming undone during operation. The impeller fells like bakolite type material, seems quite brittle.

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This is the back plate with impeller removed. I think im gonna fill these square holes up as this pump body holds roughly 250ml of water, which nearly doubles my estimated ferro fluid requirments. If anyone knows of a reason i should NOT fill these holes up, i.e if its gonna stop the thing working then speak now or forever hold your piece (to me it looks like its just part of the moulding process). Ive measured it out and it seems i can gain an extra 50ml by filling them. Trying to keep under the half litre mark, as ive found somewhere that does 500ml ferro fluid for £150 ($250?), which i think is quite reasonable. I dont know if all ferro fluids are created equal, cheap ones may have less suspended particles as opposed to more expensive. The supplier states 1017 particles per ml, now im not sure if that means one thousand and seventeen or 10 to the power 17. Ill have an ask around before i buy that.

Waiting on parts to build the lathe stand, so when thats done i can start spinning the rest of the EPG parts up.

OK, so the pump i got, turns out i can piss faster than the stupid thing... well what did i expect for £4. Serves me right i guess. So i had to let the moths out of my wallet and fork out for something bigger.

[attachment=84]        [attachment=85]

This is a 60 LPM swimming pool pump turbine. It was a bit of a wrench to have to junk a brand new motor part of it but for it to seal properly will involve cutting the shaft down and mounting it to a more OU friendly motor. Something smaller, the original motor section was too big to fit in the EPG. The original pump was a 'Clarke SPP3'. The orignial motor ran at 2800 rpm. 180 watts.


[attachment=86]

Here it is in the EPG core. Perfect fit. Gotta fit some reducers coz its a 1 inch bore and need marry it up with my 10mm copper core and still have room for the primary coils.

[attachment=87]              [attachment=88]

Got the front cover removed here. And a side view showing the existing shaft, this will need cutting down.

[attachment=89]

Heres the impeller with a little stainless non-magnetic spring loaded dooberry on the back , i guess to stop the impeller comming undone during operation. The impeller fells like bakolite type material, seems quite brittle.

[attachment=90]

This is the back plate with impeller removed. I think im gonna fill these square holes up as this pump body holds roughly 250ml of water, which nearly doubles my estimated ferro fluid requirments. If anyone knows of a reason i should NOT fill these holes up, i.e if its gonna stop the thing working then speak now or forever hold your piece (to me it looks like its just part of the moulding process). Ive measured it out and it seems i can gain an extra 50ml by filling them. Trying to keep under the half litre mark, as ive found somewhere that does 500ml ferro fluid for £150 ($250?), which i think is quite reasonable. I dont know if all ferro fluids are created equal, cheap ones may have less suspended particles as opposed to more expensive. The supplier states 1017 particles per ml, now im not sure if that means one thousand and seventeen or 10 to the power 17. Ill have an ask around before i buy that.

Waiting on parts to build the lathe stand, so when thats done i can start spinning the rest of the EPG parts up.

Not all of the photon spectra will be absorbed by a hydrogen proton. The frequency must be within set parameters. To instantly ionize the hydrogen proton with a photon, the photon must be in a 91nm frequency.
Have a look at the hydrogen emission spectra, it's NOT a seamless situation from deep IR to high UV.
Every atom be it hydrogen or gold has it's own emission spectra. These spectral lines denote proton spin frequency and electron placement in the shell levels. By understanding these emission spectra, you will know what part of the spectra you need to use to control the energy level of a proton.
Peace.
Mike.

Quote from freethisone on June 8th, 2011, 10:58 AM

Love the HHO gun, Here is some supporting information for the electron spin components responsibility for the subsequent photon EMF.
click  here for

full lecture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M6uI9uZARA


Because of Rayleigh scattering there is a five to one chance of this scattering with UV light over red.
so the higher UV range will scatter, or add a pressure to move more diploles then with IR alone. So there is more then one thing going on here.

Rayleigh scattering (named after the British physicist Lord Rayleigh) is the elastic scattering of light or other electromagnetic radiation by particles much smaller than the wavelength of the light, which may be individual atoms or molecules. It can occur when light travels through transparent solids and liquids, but is most prominently seen in gases. Rayleigh scattering is a function of the electric polarizability of the particles.

Hi h20.
Im having  a go at the mechanical epg really just because it was the first one i could identify all the component parts from back when there were no HD pics of the EPG's and the patent info was all we had to go on. Russ had already started experimenting with gas so i thought i'd pick up the ferro fluid ball and run with that one. Just because all the parts were availiable, there was no magnetic gas witchcraft involved and i could always change/adapt the design. I agree with you, no gas - no glory and are greatful for any input from yourself. But im gonna press on with it for now as if you're right about elenin then im sure the LED suppliers wont be delivering any time soon and id like to think that if these are our last few months here i contributed something to the stan meyer research.

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Heres the finished core and pump. Still needs two joints making after i fit the primarys.

if you had used a Rf to radar transmitter, you could dial in on any frequency, and thus find a next higher harmonic with special equipment like an RF generator. It is in the higher band you will act on dipoles with ease.  sound, and light now fit hand, and hand. 750 NM for the high UV range? the size of the dipole will play a roll in the power, or output. Electron cloud liberation should be a proper term. think of dark matter its black, X-ray's are black. the dark matter, or invisible matter that has a structured electric magnetic field.

Thanks alot H2, The inside angles of a lotus flower, looking in there is an optic cable wire. a wave guide to send light around a track. Any wave guide with resonant cavity should work well with light energy. fiber optics.

For the production of magnetic gas, this will be a break through for the public. hydrogen therefore must aid in the creation of the bubble around Earth, our atmosphere itself, and the magnetic field above caused by Earths field extending deep into space. The hydrogen is the glue? on second thought the lighter and smaller particles are at the outer most shell. there earths magnetic field keeps it there. smaller and smaller electron dipoles, the farther from earth you go.

the solar rays really help to strip the electrons to form a magnetic field. Magnetic Gas..
see this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHCpLnqhCZo
who was The green lantern?  how about Green magnetic lime stone as a gas. Its photon spectrum. now lets see red iron oxide. its a infra red photon emmision too.

Hey everybody, I'm a newbie on da site, but really interested in all of this.  I was looking at the mechanical epg and started looking for the pump he used, I think I found the pump.  There are three different models a 180 240 and 300 gallon per hour.  All use under 100 watts to run.  I was thinking of replicating this first one, with a ferrell fluid,  not sure what size of pump would be best, especially since we would be moving it through a 3/8" pipe, not sure what the calculation of head would be and maybe the 300 gallon would be overkill.  dunno.  Your thoughts on all this are and would be great.  keep up the good work gents.   This is the link to one of them, hope this helps.  
http://www.amazon.com/Little-Giant-B-180-100-180/dp/B00120YBEI
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Good find on that pump mate, I was hunting around for that for ages. I had to settle for a swimming pool pump in the end, chose it because all the parts are non magnetic or plastic. Ive actually nearly finished mine just the electronics and ferrofluid now, ive had to wait for a spare motor to crop up at work. youve actuallly done me a big favour in confirming that red pump is for  liquid and not gas. Thanks. I dont really expect its goin to let me live off the grid but i do expect to see some sort of effect, at least to prove the concept. Maybe ill have it up and running in 3-4 weeks if you can wait that long, or by all means have a crack yourself, just bear in mind you could be adapting it for gas one day.

Quote from phil on August 12th, 2011, 02:24 PM

Good find on that pump mate, I was hunting around for that for ages. I had to settle for a swimming pool pump in the end, chose it because all the parts are non magnetic or plastic. Ive actually nearly finished mine just the electronics and ferrofluid now, ive had to wait for a spare motor to crop up at work. youve actuallly done me a big favour in confirming that red pump is for  liquid and not gas. Thanks. I dont really expect its goin to let me live off the grid but i do expect to see some sort of effect, at least to prove the concept. Maybe ill have it up and running in 3-4 weeks if you can wait that long, or by all means have a crack yourself, just bear in mind you could be adapting it for gas one day.

Hey phil,  yeah I think I'm gonna try to make one of these bad boys, and I was also hoping the same thing even if it runs itself and nothing else..ha, do you think the stainless steel shaft will have an adverse affect on the ferril fluid, even though it's non magnetic...  do you think I should get the smaller pump or the larger pump?  And if I make a ferrell fluid, those recipes you mentioned earlier is it a lesser ferrell fluid?  I wonder if before the magnetic driven pump he used this pump as a small magnetic partical turbine...he mentions something about that in the beginning of the lecture russ showed us.  and indeed gas seems like the way to go...but I was a plumber in a past life..ha and my brain feels like it's going to bubble out of my head so for right now I'm wit chew.
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