Can the little giant pump be made to pump in one direction then flipped to be pumped in the other direction?  If we put a charge on the pipe then put a like charge particle into the pipe it would cling to the pipe with the oppisate charge in the middle right.  Then if we flip the charge on the pipe the inner particles would move to the outer and the outer charges to the inner of the pipe.

Can the little giant pump be made to pump in one direction then flipped to be pumped in the other direction?  If we put a charge on the pipe then put a like charge particle into the pipe it would cling to the pipe with the oppisate charge in the middle right.  Then if we flip the charge on the pipe the inner particles would move to the outer and the outer charges to the inner of the pipe.

Quote from firepinto on February 15th, 2012, 03:03 PM

I'm still not seeing the latest posts in this thread :huh:  Not till I reply.

Hi all:

Thank you everyone for allowing me to double check my thoughts against others understanding and learning. Do not be afraid to put your stuff out there. No question too dumb  and so on. The right combination will come. Look beyond the messy part. My goal is not to be disruptive but to learn from others and trigger the right answer to come. I enjoy learning and Thanks for the patience LOL and perspective. Russ and others in one year have one heck of a library. Thanks
Cheers
Martin

In and out then back and forth=orbital spin?

In and out then back and forth=orbital spin?

Quote from Blazer on February 16th, 2012, 09:12 AM

In and out then back and forth=orbital spin?

Blazer:

Similar you what ywe are all pondering ad trying to produce:

This video may help understand the EPG.

Watch the torroidiol movemet think inside the loops of the EPG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ts1WF3FrAg


Cheers all,
Martin

Quote from Blazer on February 16th, 2012, 08:43 AM

Can the little giant pump be made to pump in one direction then flipped to be pumped in the other direction?  If we put a charge on the pipe then put a like charge particle into the pipe it would cling to the pipe with the oppisate charge in the middle right.  Then if we flip the charge on the pipe the inner particles would move to the outer and the outer charges to the inner of the pipe.

Wow Martin that made my head spin after 5 seconds.  I am still trying to induce a current to the pickup coils.  I think if we ionize a gas then flip the charge on the Pipe back and forth while also pumping the gas back and forth we could create pos and neg potentials rotating  around each other.  I think the argon would be between the rotating zone.

Quote from Blazer on February 16th, 2012, 12:48 PM

Quote from Blazer on February 16th, 2012, 08:43 AM

Can the little giant pump be made to pump in one direction then flipped to be pumped in the other direction?  If we put a charge on the pipe then put a like charge particle into the pipe it would cling to the pipe with the oppisate charge in the middle right.  Then if we flip the charge on the pipe the inner particles would move to the outer and the outer charges to the inner of the pipe.

Wow Martin that made my head spin after 5 seconds.  I am still trying to induce a current to the pickup coils.  I think if we ionize a gas then flip the charge on the Pipe back and forth while also pumping the gas back and forth we could create pos and neg potentials rotating  around each other.  I think the argon would be between the rotating zone.

Blazer:

I liked what Poole was saying about the centre Bar to draw out being build up what he dubbed Magnotrons.  In Pooles video his video he show a bar below Leedskin's Generator In Stan's entire EPG and or what is inside it represents that Bar with which to pull the Voltage off

Are you thinking that the EPG is a closed looped system and thereby just pulling off volts? I am curious because pictures of the stacked EPG 's or version showing Showing a burner on the top the EPG's are linked aren't they? It also shows a water in port and a gas out port. Just trying to diffreintiate how these two devices relate.

Cheers ,
Martin :-/:s

Quote from Martinup on February 17th, 2012, 05:55 AM

Quote from Blazer on February 16th, 2012, 12:48 PM

Quote from Blazer on February 16th, 2012, 08:43 AM

Can the little giant pump be made to pump in one direction then flipped to be pumped in the other direction?  If we put a charge on the pipe then put a like charge particle into the pipe it would cling to the pipe with the oppisate charge in the middle right.  Then if we flip the charge on the pipe the inner particles would move to the outer and the outer charges to the inner of the pipe.

Wow Martin that made my head spin after 5 seconds.  I am still trying to induce a current to the pickup coils.  I think if we ionize a gas then flip the charge on the Pipe back and forth while also pumping the gas back and forth we could create pos and neg potentials rotating  around each other.  I think the argon would be between the rotating zone.

Blazer:

I liked what Poole was saying about the centre Bar to draw out being build up what he dubbed Magnotrons.  In Pooles video his video he show a bar below Leedskin's Generator In Stan's entire EPG and or what is inside it represents that Bar with which to pull the Voltage off

Are you thinking that the EPG is a closed looped system and thereby just pulling off volts? I am curious because pictures of the stacked EPG 's or version showing Showing a burner on the top the EPG's are linked aren't they? It also shows a water in port and a gas out port. Just trying to diffreintiate how these two devices relate.

Cheers ,
Martin :-/:s

Hi all:

I was watching some of the New Zealand video lectures by Stan Meyers. One point that kind of stuck in my brain was where he said he was talking a about the formation of a gas latice. He made a reference to running a Magnetic field through a another cicular magnetic field: ie the EPG. This everyone has been discussing various gasses such as Argon or Ferrial fluid etc.

Now that many of you appear to be ready to expirement with the electronics and able to pulse things.

What if?

Rather than just a fluid being put inside the tube what about a flexible Iron core wire with a copper winding wapped around it, " another electomagnet" be inserted in side. Charge the electromagnet inside the tubing perhaps pulse it, or perhaps switch the polarity back and forth, and pulse the outside. Perhaps this is already being done?

Another idea 1/4" neodynium stainless steal ball bearings placed from one end to the other ( a whole lot of them) and water and pulse the exterior winds around the outside of the copper tubes.

Just thoughts to maybe understand the the interactions between varrious magnetic fields . . .  something further to dropping a neodynium magnet through a copper pipe by itself.

Just pondering

cheers
Martin

Quote from firepinto on February 15th, 2012, 03:03 PM

I'm still not seeing the latest posts in this thread :huh:  Not till I reply.

Same Issue... I can't see the most recent until I reply.

Hey Martin,
Here are some links for ya... You might like 'em.  Especially the one about eddy currents :)
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/index.html
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/magnetacademy/magnets/fullarticle.html
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/java/electromagneticinduction/index.html
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/slideshows/eddycurrents/index.html
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/java/solenoidfield/index.html
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/java/domains/index.html

http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/electromag/java/faraday/
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/electromag/java/index.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWu82nJS42I

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_motor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_induction_motor
"In this design of electric motor, the force is produced by a moving linear magnetic field acting on conductors in the field. Any conductor, be it a loop, a coil or simply a piece of plate metal, that is placed in this field will have eddy currents induced in it thus creating an opposing magnetic field, in accordance with Lenz's law. The two opposing fields will repel each other, thus creating motion as the magnetic field sweeps through the metal."

I just saw parts 1 and 3 of the key to Stanley Meyers water car videos, but the link to nr 2 is not showing..........?

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 20th, 2012, 04:31 PM

Quote from firepinto on February 15th, 2012, 03:03 PM

I'm still not seeing the latest posts in this thread :huh:  Not till I reply.

Same Issue... I can't see the most recent until I reply.

+3

Quote from Lynx on April 6th, 2012, 12:12 PM

I just saw parts 1 and 3 of the key to Stanley Meyers water car videos, but the link to nr 2 is not showing..........?

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 20th, 2012, 04:31 PM

Quote from firepinto on February 15th, 2012, 03:03 PM

I'm still not seeing the latest posts in this thread :huh:  Not till I reply.

Same Issue... I can't see the most recent until I reply.

+3

try these downloads:

http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/stanley-meyers-wfc-tec/stanley-meyers-epg-system/lectureopen-descion-of-my-work-on-the-epg-system/

thanks! ~Russ

paramagnetic fluid;   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPBmqk5uzjk

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 14th, 2012, 01:17 AM

Quote from BaronBassman on February 12th, 2012, 08:26 AM

Water can be a gas...
Think of a tesla coil or kapanze (sp?) or some of the other things out there that have similar 'spiral copper configurations'. Some of those are melting pipe with NO residual heat because of frequency resonance of those rings; Spacing is VERY important for some of those to work.
I still think water is the 'magnet' in those tubes Russ. I think it needs to make the 'loop' more than once to get 'straightened out'... What frequency do you pulse those outer coils at to make the water (or whatever) move? That is what to discover (IMO).
I still don't think it is ferrofluid. Not sure that is a direction worth persuing mostly because it is too exotic and isn't it also toxic?
Maybe 'soft' water? (A small bit of Borax would add a little magnesium to your H2O and Mg and Cu are great 'friends' heh heh)
Take care Russ, have fun with that water heater, real life takes priority dude, we get it!
Cheers,

Derrick

hey Derrick,  i have been playing with ferrofluid, this is not the fluid... its not permanently magnetized, and the magnetic flux only goes about 1" in to the  ferrofluid. i posted some videos on my tests on that one. i think its in this thread.

also threw ionization we can make any compound... this is what Stan was saying. and yes the water or argon and iron ions is the gas in side the EPG i feel.
 
water heater is rockin! thanks!!

good to here from ya!

~Russ

I thought this was interesting also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPBmqk5uzjk&feature=channel&list=UL

Quote from Blazer on April 11th, 2012, 09:29 PM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 14th, 2012, 01:17 AM

Quote from BaronBassman on February 12th, 2012, 08:26 AM

Water can be a gas...
Think of a tesla coil or kapanze (sp?) or some of the other things out there that have similar 'spiral copper configurations'. Some of those are melting pipe with NO residual heat because of frequency resonance of those rings; Spacing is VERY important for some of those to work.
I still think water is the 'magnet' in those tubes Russ. I think it needs to make the 'loop' more than once to get 'straightened out'... What frequency do you pulse those outer coils at to make the water (or whatever) move? That is what to discover (IMO).
I still don't think it is ferrofluid. Not sure that is a direction worth persuing mostly because it is too exotic and isn't it also toxic?
Maybe 'soft' water? (A small bit of Borax would add a little magnesium to your H2O and Mg and Cu are great 'friends' heh heh)
Take care Russ, have fun with that water heater, real life takes priority dude, we get it!
Cheers,

Derrick

hey Derrick,  i have been playing with ferrofluid, this is not the fluid... its not permanently magnetized, and the magnetic flux only goes about 1" in to the  ferrofluid. i posted some videos on my tests on that one. i think its in this thread.

also threw ionization we can make any compound... this is what Stan was saying. and yes the water or argon and iron ions is the gas in side the EPG i feel.
 
water heater is rockin! thanks!!

good to here from ya!

~Russ

I thought this was interesting also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPBmqk5uzjk&feature=channel&list=UL

Hey blazer, is this suposto be a defrent link? Or is it the same? Thanks!! ~Russ

question to my latest video... 4-12-12

"what would be the best/easiest way to create iron ions" ???

A Tig welder is what i was thinking would be good...???

Thanks, ~Russ

Video on the qustion above

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzaibn90Dls

Quote from phil on April 26th, 2011, 01:24 PM

Hi russ, I thought i'd share some things i found that may be relevent to your MPG and a few if my thoughts at the end,
 
http://www.teachertube.com/viewVideo.php?title=Eddy_Currents&video_id=78310    Eddy currents - check out the diagram near the end of the video eddy currents in a copper tube illustration, maybe the eddy currents act as some sort of containment field, containing a plasma?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3AiM1BYX-c    Electronegativity/eletropositvity. the abiltiy of elements to lose/gain electrons.
 
www.fusor.net/    The Farnsworth fusor/multipactor. Outlines principle for fusing atoms together.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion    Ions


 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionic_bond   Ionic bond
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionization_energy   Ionization energies. Shows how much energy you need to remove the electrons from argon.
 
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-193544.html   Vapourization of metal. Iron boils about 3000C.
 
http://www.chemicool.com/elements/iron.html    Check out the energies of iron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)#Magnetization   Plasma
 
https://www.youtube.com/user/keshefoundation#p/u/4/wtf5bp76ArE    Keshe. Good info here 5 parts.
 
https://www.youtube.com/user/keshefoundation#p/u/7/zLaZnjk23HU    Keshe. Plasma in a bottle.
 
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Keshe_Foundation   Keshe. Plasma energy and antigravity applications.
 
 
Hope these help.

I'd like to share a few of my thoughts too,
I looked briefly at these patents a while back and decided the the gas was the key here, no point in spending time winding the coils with no gas right? It fell to the back of my mind and then i came across your videos on youtube and it got me back thinking again,
 
High voltage DC, not AC microwave oven diodes to rectify i got 4 new 12kv ones for  £10 whatever that works out in dollars $15. You want to pull electrons off so you only want the argon exposed to one polarity, High voltage negative i think. We want to make cations and anions of argon and steel.
 
 Hollow electrode for the argon, argon ionized on its way up the electrode.
   
 Point hollow electrode at solid iron electrode HV+  ,  (this is what the dots on meyers gas generator patent may signify, it shows a cross sectional view solid/hollow, possibly a clue left for us to wonder how the gas gets in the chamber? Also in one of the patents is a device for burning a gas completly, egg shaped chamber, hollow core design)  
 
 Then deliver your argon slowly and it is completly encapsulated by the arc comming off the edges of the tube and all of the argon is treated by the metal coming off the other electrode charged in the opposite polarity like charges attract, you want negative on the argon and positive on the metal smash that argon and iron together. (Try switching polarities? Gap distance?)
 
The argon has a bonus of cooling the hollow electrode while you want the +electrode to get hot and vapourize, it takes a lot of energy to vapourize iron, maybe look further down the periodic table for a lower melting point magnetizable metal for the electrode Neo? Pure iron?
 
Argon dont ionize easily.
 
For the magnetization, look up how permenent magnets are made.
 
 Heat a metal and cool it in a magnetic field, which is what we are doing with our arc.
 
 The length of time the particles are exposed to the field may matter or the temp range that they are exposed to, ie magnetized from 1000c-500c? Id say keep it in the magnetic field as long as possible. (something called the curie or curing temperature rings a bell here)
 
To test for magnetic gas, fill a baloon and try and roll it on a flat surface with a strong magnet or maybe put some in a very lightwieght small plastic bag (the kind that crinkles up easily) and look for surface movement on the bag.
 
Now is this gas generator used to fill up the coils once? Do we need it each time its started? Does it stick on the side of the coil on a T-piece and the ionized particles are allowed to drift into the main coil. Does it fit in series with the copper tube and the arc is kept going until it becomes self sustaining?
 
What is the maximum pressure this copper tube will take?
 
Stan seems to use the solder copper pipe fittings not compression fittings, just for neatness or is it important the diameter of the pipe is constant and smooth?
 
I think copper tube is significant but i am gonna see what happens when i pump some crushed ferrite magnets in water thru a clear plastic hose. Put coils around it, i think the magnets will die in the crushing process, magnetic powder is available to buy, i figure if you can see the magnetic particles moving in the tube may help visulise what we are trying to create.
 
I heard talk of oval tubes in these Meyers MPG's. Check out a guy called Viktor Schauberger, he designed a kind of double egg-shaped oval tube that sustained vortex's. Do we want to create an ideal environment for a magnetic vortex to flow at high speed with low energy input? Or plasma vortex?
 
Shauberger talks of centrifical/centripical/centrepedal type flows, (cant remember the exact type theres so many centri-somethings), but when you get these two flows goin big things happen. Is this what we have here eddy currents/magnetic field from the secondary surrounding the magnetic gas moving through the middle in a vortex type motion. I know stan says the gas dont move but just trying to visulize whats goin on in that copper tube, somethings moving thats for sure!
 
Coil layout may be significant, some MPG devices appear to have multiple secondaries while some seem to have long thin all over winding for the secondarys. The all over type winding  may be used as part of the gas driving or containment mechanism, it may not be a secondary?
 
I like the idea of catching the same magnetic disturbance multiple times, many free energy devices appear to work in this way.
 
Primary coil, think of it like one of those electromagnetic rail guns or a mag-lev train frictionless motion in a tube, you can get some serious push/pull by pulsing magnets quicky at the right time.
 
 Iron core will only pulse up to a certain frequency then you have to move on to ferrite, iron dust or air as im sure you know.
 
Maybe a sequential pulse or like stan says any waveform.
 
Anyway just my ideas, Phil.
 
Dont do anything silly with hydrogen will ya.

Hi, me again. I've still been thinking about the magnetic gas, I repair automatic doors for a living and it involves a lot of time driving and that gives me a lot of time to think/meditate in quiet alone. So I got some more thoughts and bits and pieces I've researched/tracked down or I believe to be relevant,  comments, call them what you will.
 
I've been on the quest for the free energy grail for 4-5 years now, and the one thing I've found is no-one gives away all the details in their patents to make any direct copy. But with that said, it IS the place to start and I take my hat of to you doing that. Ok heres my list.
 
Example of a gas joined with a solid.
 
Sodium(Na) + Chlorine(Cl) = Sodium Chloride = Salt = A solid.....NaCl

Iron(Fe) + Argon(Ar) = (insert name) = A solid maybe? =....FeAr.........FEAR gas lol.
 
Sodium joins with Chlorine in a crystal LATTICE as stan describes, but the end result is a solid not a gas. Iron's gotta be heavier than sodium, and I think Argons heavier than Chlorine.
 
Maybe you're gonna get  a solid and as these solid particles cool in the magnetic fields these get permanently magnetised as described by stan. NANO PARTICLES.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_reactor    -   Makes Nanoparticles. Fullerenes, C60, by vaporizing graphite in an arc. Its about 15% efficient process. Gap and electrode size matter.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckminsterfullerene - Buckmeister fullerine. C60. Conducts electricity very well. Maybe FeAr magnetizes very well.
 
 My physics teacher told me that most of the magnetism is inside a permenent magnet, if we could only get at it. On the nano particle scale we could be doing just this. But then again would all the permanently magnetized particles just stick together. I've got some neo-spheres and they just want to clump together, when i crushed a magnet, again big mess all clumped together. Didn't have much luck with ferro fluid but then i only had 30 ml of the stuff to play with. made a little MPG bout the size of a bracelet.
 
We could be dealing with a fusion style reaction.
 
http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/category/C70/   -   Focus fusion, Interesting electrode design. Focus your plasma at your iron? New elements created? Watch out for X-rays.
 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1518007279479871760#   Video. Shows electrode design and plasma. Gets a bit technical but worth a watch.
 
The Tokomak fusion thing seems to be a bit of a white elephant that the government uses to waste time and money on.
 
 
So i'm gonna go off on a bit of a tangent here, suppose the device doesn't function quite as described, i'm gonna be reading between the lines a fair bit here and looking for a few hidden meanings in what stan says. Its really a bit of a collection of things I found on my travels researching plasma (after all, what is it between them electrodes if it aint a plasma?)
 
Stan says solid,liquid but preferably a gas. See the ascending order...What comes after gas...PLASMA. Plasma IS a magnetic gas! It has magnetic properties.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UzyO-n_-HE     -   Plasma affected by magnetic field.
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aXc34rcTi0&NR=1
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSm8aR2W9O0&NR=1
 
 
Now I dont see a tin can for making gas chucked on the side of any of stans coils only that red thing that could also be a pump, so its either a fill up device, or my feelings tell me it was integrated into the coil somewhere.
 
All we need is Iron Argon spark/plasma in a tube. In the patent he says 'Evacuated'. Like neon sign tubes. Theres a neon sign dealer near me. Ill find out if they could fill a MPG with argon and then evacuate it, they do it to glass rods from scratch? Must be a fill valve of somekind?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas-filled_tube  - Argon efficient, low striking voltage. Gas tubes  air expelled, argon in, reduce pressure (EVACUATED), it will conduct better.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd3j3wHi2QI&feature=related   _  This  guy can focus his plasma in his tube by varying frequency.
 
Are we dealing with a plasma core transformer. Electrode at each end of a tube then coiled. Gas is better than liquid. Plasma better than gas? Theres a magnetic component to plasma, right?
Plasmas moves like a gas/fluid. So we are kinda 'Hydraulicaly' pumping with the primary a LOT of magnetism a little way, just so the field cuts the secondary and out again.
 
Is that what the heatsink device of stans is all about, the one with the cooling fins in the centre? To bleed off heat from a permanently installed spark gap....pointing outward and runs the length of the tube..
 
Be nice to see your primary coil around a gas discharge tube, look for a pumping action in the plasma. Bit of a visual aid.
 
I see a problem with the copper pipe in that my instinct tells me the plasma will want to go down that at some point. But what if the plasma was focused down the centre of the tube either by frequency adjustment and/or being somehow centralized in the tube by its own eddy currents, allowing us to gather any magnetic disturbance on the outside of the tube in the secondary winding?
 
Is the copper tube one massive heatsink?
 
Not all plasma glows? you got 3 types Discharge plasma, Glowing plasma and DARK plasma. In that its there but you cant see it.
 
http://www.dapla.org/dark_plasma.htm    -    Dark plasma. Dark matter accounts for like loads of the universe. Could be it wont melt your tube?
 
Plasma - The primary state of matter. Do we just create a plasma in the tube and shake it about with the primary and collect the output in the secondary, a magnetic 'skin' on the outside of the tube. You can see in the videos that its easily moved by a magnetic field, and has strong magnetic fields, especially when concentrated. You get a plasmoid. I've found very little info on magnetic fields in a plasma..... could be someones trying to hide something?
 
http://www.28an.com/altenergypro/device04.htm   -    Plasma and a coil. I know theres debate over don smiths devices (it may be bullPoo , but its good bull Poo. ha ha) but here it is plasma and a coil, apparently this doesn't work in this configuration but you get the idea? Could dons other devices be focusing plasma in some way. Could the EV Gray tube be focusing plasma/accelerating particles towards its centre electrodes and taking off the energy? Faster particle=more energy? Electrostatic acceleration? Like a cylindrical farnsworth fusor?
 
I'm supposing different plasmas will have different magnetic effects?
 
Once we have a magnetic plasma its just a case sucking off the magnetic part of the plasma with the secondary. Im suspicious theres not more info on magnetic fields in plasmas, I smell a cover up. ha ha?
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolaser   -  Add some laser energy. Found something else bout lasers and plasma but lost it, sorry.
 
 
Anyway this is all just guesswork based on things I'd come along the way and questions I've asked myself and kinda trying to put the jigsaw together a different way in my head and taking into account there are always details left out of the patents could be the gas generator is part and parcel of the MPG and the diagram is just to illustrate the process. And could the magnetic particle generator really be a magnetic plasma generator? I might try a coil round a fluorescent tube see if theres an effect on the light produced. When i got some cash ill go down that neon sign place and get a clear tube(no fluorescent coating on the inside) made and filled and evacuated with argon, then bung a coil round it and see what i can get the plasma to do.
 
Let me know when you got your website up, and if you wanna put up any of these emails on there its fine. I'm self taught. Someone with more brain power than me might have a eureka moment...who knows.
 
Phil..

NICE PHIL

PLease help improve or maintain this document below  so
it is condensed fast  for newbies to hit and join as a fast high level.

Stan Meyers EPG Rebuild guide
 

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 4th, 2012, 01:32 AM

Quote from Gambino on February 3rd, 2012, 07:49 AM

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 1st, 2012, 02:20 PM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 31st, 2012, 11:57 PM

yes, this is what i have been saying for a while now, this EPG not only can be a magmatic device but also a " electron extraction grid" and produce energy... :)

Move electrons... make current flow... current flow is energy... energy is what we are looking for...

~Russ

I'm somewhat lost.  you're talking about electrons... I'm talking about the protons.  We may be thinking the same thing but putting it differently.

My thought was... if you ionize your gas, so that you have only a postive charge.  Can you not run that through the copper piping?  Now, as long as this ionized gas is moving wouldn't it be producing electricity? (similar to how an alternator works... except inside the coils of wire.)

I never thought about running the EPG with the extracted electrons.  *Smack hand to forehead*
It would only make sense.  :D
So, the "amp consuming device" stan talks about for the water cell and the resonant cavity could power the EPG.

Thoughts:
I wonder if it didn't work last time because the ferrofuild was in a PLASTIC tube.  :huh: What if you actually used the copper tubing? would that have any different effect?

Stan mentioned something about eliminating lenz's law.  Does anyone have any good links for information about this?
Thanks

Someone posted a video of lecture that Stan gave on the EPG coil and how it works. In his lecture he specifically states that he strips off the electron from one gas and puts that in the copper tubing of the EPG with the other gas. This then becomes a new element that is magnetized and he uses the light frequency to accelerate the gas in the piping to create a magnetic field that runs through the coils to create the electricity.

I think your right the Ferro fluid is the wrong path, simply because it is Ferris material which is not magnetic in itself. If however you were to get fluid that was magnetic already then there is some possibility, but that would be outside the scope of what Stan Meyers describes in his video. As he plainly stated he is using the power of the light waves to accelerate the gases in the EPG.

How he does that is still a mystery in my mind and he does mingle some terminology from Science fiction with actual science. He goes further by stating that he can accelerate he gases to close to light speed, which is highly unlikely, but there would be no need to accelerate the gases to such a state if indeed they create a magnetic field sufficient to generate the energy to move the electrons in the copper coils.

The remaining questions I have in my head is how do you measure the net effect of ionising the gas and creating a new gaseous element? I suppose you can tell your on the right path once there is current flowing from the EPG, but we would not be able to determine what kind of gas was created in the process without some very expensive gear(possibly).

Russ, Good job so far. you have made some outstanding progress.

thanks for the kind words. could not do it with out all the support!

my take on the laser... THEORY! My take on the magnetic EPG TESTED...

now, EVERYONE please please please do me a favor!!!!!

read this:

http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Patents/Stan%20Meyer%20Dealership%20Sales%20Manual%201986.pdf

PDF page 88-104

this is what im going to be going through in my upcoming videos...


This is the only thing we have on paper...

we have this:



and tell me, this is Memo WFC418

in the "Birth on a new technology " book we start at memo WFC420...

what hapen to the WFC401 - WFC419?????????

BTW i don't have any more info on this WFC418 this is the only page...

the only thing we have is the Dealership Sales Manual...

thanks!!!

 ~Russ

Agreed what happened to rest information need here,
try searching more on google etc

dan

Quote from Blazer on February 12th, 2012, 12:53 PM

I watched Stan in a speech say the EPG would work underwater.  If you look the red pump it is a submersible pump. Would that pump not overheat if it operated out of a liquid coolant of some type? No cooling fins? Is that EPG designed to operate underwater?

I like this post good thinking

proto types are just that they get things talking and moving I think you right
a under water alternator!! pretty interesting concept. for submarines etc

like to see what happen if it is emersed fully

I was looking at the design styles from Stan and patents and imagined it
inside the centre of his 11 cell wfc.

really it is un limited in new combos once we get it to produce basic concept
when that is done it is going to create a awesome new industrial age.


Dan

:heart::heart::angel::angel:http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=41
Hi Russ, all. These are three very similar patented that will help you make amendments to existing developmental ideas, and integration.

There could be some very good questions from other members, as they relate to the reviewable information.

Glad to of assistance. Hope you guys ask some questions and take advantage of the people willing to share.:D
cheers All.

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 20th, 2012, 04:31 PM

Quote from firepinto on February 15th, 2012, 03:03 PM

I'm still not seeing the latest posts in this thread :huh:  Not till I reply.

Same Issue... I can't see the most recent until I reply.

Hey Martin,
Here are some links for ya... You might like 'em.  Especially the one about eddy currents :)
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/index.html
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/magnetacademy/magnets/fullarticle.html
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/java/electromagneticinduction/index.html
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/slideshows/eddycurrents/index.html
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/java/solenoidfield/index.html
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/java/domains/index.html

http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/electromag/java/faraday/
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/electromag/java/index.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWu82nJS42I

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_motor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_induction_motor
"In this design of electric motor, the force is produced by a moving linear magnetic field acting on conductors in the field. Any conductor, be it a loop, a coil or simply a piece of plate metal, that is placed in this field will have eddy currents induced in it thus creating an opposing magnetic field, in accordance with Lenz's law. The two opposing fields will repel each other, thus creating motion as the magnetic field sweeps through the metal."

I am haveing the same issue as to not seeing latest post

...

Move electrons... make current flow... current flow is energy... energy is what we are looking for...

~Russ[/quote]...

PDF page 88-104

this is what im going to be going through in my upcoming videos...


This is the only thing we have on paper...

we have this:



and tell me, this is Memo WFC418

in the "Birth on a new technology " book we start at memo WFC420...

what hapen to the WFC401 - WFC419?????????

BTW i don't have any more info on this WFC418 this is the only page...

the only thing we have is the Dealership Sales Manual...

thanks!!!

 ~Russ

Agreed what happened to rest information need here,
try searching more on google etc

dan[/quote]Based on the Dealership manual, it really seems that Stan refers to the water as a slurry.

slur·ry  (slûr)
n. pl. slur·ries
"A thin mixture of a liquid, especially water, and any of several finely divided substances, such as cement, plaster of Paris, or clay particles."

I seems to me that he is talking about circulating the pre-fractured slurry through the EPG, possibly using the pressure of the gas generation itself if possible. Or, using a non-magnetic pump device.

Very exciting stuff.
Love your work and your drive.
And, much love, to everyone else on this forum helping to nudge this technology forward!

-Dogs

Hello all,
I have a question, because some funny pictures are in my head. What if the change the inner part with the outer part. What if we put a coil in a bigger pipe(like a toroid) and put around the gas pipe?
My knowledge on the toroid transformer is, that the magnetic field concentrate in its inner part(on a normal transformer the ferrid). In this picture it will be a coil.

Second thing is, when we wind the gas coil like a rodin coil? The Rodin Style is very strong.

or a tesla pan cake coil....thoughts are running.....

hope i get a reply to my thoughts....

Special thanks to Russ and every one who let it grow.

If Schaubergers work will fuse with this, it will get really funny.

cu ben

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 13th, 2012, 02:44 AM

question to my latest video... 4-12-12

"what would be the best/easiest way to create iron ions" ???

A Tig welder is what i was thinking would be good...???

Thanks, ~Russ

Video on the qustion above

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzaibn90Dls

russ you can use a plasma cutter it uses argon you could  fit it in a chamber like the one that you made  feed in the iron rod pull off the ionized gas maybe with a vac. pump feed it into the epg

Quote from xxzeropiontxx on April 24th, 2012, 05:58 PM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 13th, 2012, 02:44 AM

question to my latest video... 4-12-12

"what would be the best/easiest way to create iron ions" ???

A Tig welder is what i was thinking would be good...???

Thanks, ~Russ

Video on the qustion above

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzaibn90Dls

russ you can use a plasma cutter it uses argon you could  fit it in a chamber like the one that you made  feed in the iron rod pull off the ionized gas maybe with a vac. pump feed it into the epg

yeah, i was thinking something like that... also going to start to play with some vacuum stuff to see the different results.

i did play with out big tig at work to see what effects it had on steal and such at different voltage/amperage ratings.  

i'm not liking it... lol

i think the  " vacated chamber" is just that... vacated of air... this may yeald totally different results... so i will try them... i should also be able to make a bigger/stronger arc!

thanks for the feed back!!! ~Russ