Dads not really a beliver in free energy i dont think. Ive got to convince a skeptic to think outside the box. I've given him a couple of my tesla books to read. At least to get him  on the right track.

Wasn't it tesla that used high voltage to join nitrogen(inert like argon) with other elements to make nitrogen based fertilizers?

I seem to remember that the hydrogen with the magnetic field is monatomic hydrogen and that resonance drive type cells make more of this than brute force. If you can convert your H from your split cell in to monatomic H then I think you may get a result.[/quote]yes it was tesla. if i recall  what tesla said, it is at about 20 million volts the air will ionize in that way. mabey its less ,but im not 100% sure.

how to make hydrogen sulfhide gas use a jar add a lump of iron sulphide then add water, and a small amount of muriatic acid. now you have a sufur based hydrogen gas. and it flamable.

see the funny proffessor.

I watched the full vid of the nutty proffeser. I've seen a few of that guys lectures. Got to admit some if it goes over my head. But I get the bits that matter. Yes I see the bit about reverseing the magnet. Makes sense.

 I've got a little 4inch diameter plastic pipe loop filled with Ferro fluid, im gonna do some small scale tests with that before I splash out on a 500ml bottle.

Googled the history of ferrofluid, its been around since the 60's , so I think its perfectly plausible thant Stan had access to the stuff for a liquid epg. Maybe the pumps not neccessary to get the effect but it helps with cooling in some way by circlating the fluid and avoiding localized heating in the core.
I've already got a back up plan if i buy the big bottle of ferrofluid and this doesn't work, then what I'll do is tip the fluid into smaller bottles and re-sell it on eBay , to get most, if not all of my money back.

I've not had a chance to study the circuit that Russ traced out, but from the values of the components we should be able to work out the kind of frequency range this this operates at. See if its within the limits of soft iron . The number 5khz rings a bell but don't quote me on that.

I just watched this interesting video based on Leedskalnin theories.  He describes how he thinks there is no electron and shows a helium gas lattice.  The lattice is what struck me when you hear Stan talk about the same thing.  He talks about how the "Magnetrons" can move through the lattice.

Perhaps Helium is a good EPG gas?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQAzVHLP2Wg

Nate

So I asked a physicist this qustion about mass and the electron...

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QUESTION: 
Can I make the mass of a'n atom more by moving electrons further away from center of the atom? So I want to make the atom heaver by moving electrons to the atoms outer valence rings? Is that valid?

 ANSWER:
In order to excite an atom you need to add an amount of energy Δε. Now, where does this energy show up? Quite simply, the atom has an increased mass Δm=Δε/c2. The thing is, this change in mass is just about unmeasurably small for an atom which is why you learn in a chemistry class that you end up with the same amount of mass after some chemical reaction; however, that is not really true, but it is close enough to do chemistry. If you do the same thing in a nucleus, excite the nucleus to one of its excited states, the change in mass can be readily observed.

So the answer is yes! Put light in... Move the eletrons... Bam... Mass is more (slightly) but it's there...

Cool stuff! Im lovin it! :)

~Russ

Nice!  lots of amazing posts and work, thanks for making this so very interesting to follow :D

M

Quote from Rwg42985 on May 24th, 2011, 05:07 PM

So I asked a physicist this qustion about mass and the electron...

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QUESTION: 
Can I make the mass of a'n atom more by moving electrons further away from center of the atom? So I want to make the atom heaver by moving electrons to the atoms outer valence rings? Is that valid?

 ANSWER:
In order to excite an atom you need to add an amount of energy Δε. Now, where does this energy show up? Quite simply, the atom has an increased mass Δm=Δε/c2. The thing is, this change in mass is just about unmeasurably small for an atom which is why you learn in a chemistry class that you end up with the same amount of mass after some chemical reaction; however, that is not really true, but it is close enough to do chemistry. If you do the same thing in a nucleus, excite the nucleus to one of its excited states, the change in mass can be readily observed.

So the answer is yes! Put light in... Move the eletrons... Bam... Mass is more (slightly) but it's there...

Cool stuff! Im lovin it! :)

~Russ

sweet Russ that's a confirmation of my reasoning, also i saw it in a MIT lecture.  im sure i sent it to you. it does seem that there must have been an increase in mass at the center of mass of the atom, but as soon as an electron is ejected, its a dipole that is in preservation? the electron at least is a particle of a certain charge. we can increase its energy by photon radiation. it makes an emf every time we move it. now if the dipole is of proper size, as we add energy it will eventually be to big for our purpose. like dust in the air the water vapor will hang on it and then will become bigger and fall as rain. in this case it is no longer of the proper size, so it is the continual creation of dipoles of the proper size that will be moved to cause a emf, in the case of UV light, that light alone is enough to move the dipole, and it is the red light that will aid in the stripping of electrons from the argon gas. i have a pretty good understanding of this, and if you need conformation just ask a question, and if i can find that research  i will provide it.
the dipole is a ferro particle if created by the spark gap, and that conductor be carbon, or iron. the electron component a source of emf, and must also be a dipole. A dipole that can exist until the electron combines with another atom. it is forced to re emmit a photon itself. there may be a anti matter component as it leaves behind a dirak hole in the atom.  the force of the electron emf is greater if we strip it off the argon, because we did increase the atomic energy at the center of mass, causing the electron to move into higher orbits, when electrons are in harmony at the outer shells, we have an increase in energy that we cause by sound, and light...

Quote from phil on May 23rd, 2011, 06:22 AM

I hadn't really considered liquid o2, I take it you mean liquid oxygen. I was alaways under the Impression that stuff was minus hundreds of degrees, had to be kept liquid under high pressure in stainless steel pipes and containers . If its that cold id be worried my epg would go brittle and crack. But do t know. With regards to the pump, because its a closed  loop the impeller will be fed with the recirculating fluid, i think that's what Stan meant when he says the pump needs a speed control to stop the pump over revving. My dads a chemist, I'll see if i can persuade him to sit thru Stan in newzealand parts 8,9,10... And see what his take is on magnetic or polarized gases. maybe the copper tube has a high voltage charge on it to keep the gas in the right state, don't know just guessing now.

i was giving your idea some thought, how to move your ferro fluid over couple of Tesla bifilar coils. if you are to in such a way, as to move the fluid as quickly as posible then what better way then by use of a Tesla turbine. all can be made from spinning hard drives, and cd disks, a pump, and a resivour. the velocity would be great over 10000 rpm, and the ferro fluid will cause more flux inductions in the coils. (the coils are flat)

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All the plumbings done.

If anyone ever tries the solder joint method , i'd recommend doing it before glueing as it seems to have warped the coil slightly. nothing major.

It appears gripfill is pretty much flame proof!

Some ones told me the fill valves on the epg's look like air conditioning 'charge valves', i think was what he called them. His job is air con engineer so i guess he'd know.

I dont know if the pump i got is gonna be any good, its a submersible aquairium pump. The seal-less type with a magnetic drive. I wouldn't call it a non magentic pump. The turbines plastic i spose but i can see the magnetic fields from the drive shaft affecting the surrounding ferro fluid as it has to pass thru it to make the turbine spin. (i'd love to try a tesla turbine, but i kind want something off the shelf).

I've got 4.68m of pipe there. Thats gonna take 272 ml of fluid/gas. Plus a bit more for any additional tube and the pump body if one goes on. So a 500ml bottle should be plenty.
Ferro fluid is just such dirty stuff, i dont know wether to try a bit of gas first, cause i dont want to have to clean that stuff out.

Had a bit of a snoop round about that 8XA circuit, seems he used it to pulse a LCL resonant circuit. Coil,capacitor,Coil.and self  resonant frequency of the coil-cap-coil can be achieved with relativly low pulse rate. But i have more study to do on this. But i can see how the two coil red pump stlye epg could work like that.

Ive got some PTFE plumbers tape spools to wind primaries on. Done a quick (very rough) calculation, estimate 420 Ampre turns per spool, with a max of 1A goin thru each coil. Waiting for a soft iron rod(10KHz max) to make the core out of. Gonna do two single cores and a long one to take all 5 spools if i get round to making a 5 coiler.

Quote from phil on May 26th, 2011, 04:42 PM

All the plumbings done.

If anyone ever tries the solder joint method , i'd recommend doing it before glueing as it seems to have warped the coil slightly. nothing major.

It appears gripfill is pretty much flame proof!

Some ones told me the fill valves on the epg's look like air conditioning 'charge valves', i think was what he called them. His job is air con engineer so i guess he'd know.

I dont know if the pump i got is gonna be any good, its a submersible aquairium pump. The seal-less type with a magnetic drive. I wouldn't call it a non magentic pump. The turbines plastic i spose but i can see the magnetic fields from the drive shaft affecting the surrounding ferro fluid as it has to pass thru it to make the turbine spin. (i'd love to try a tesla turbine, but i kind want something off the shelf).

I've got 4.68m of pipe there. Thats gonna take 272 ml of fluid/gas. Plus a bit more for any additional tube and the pump body if one goes on. So a 500ml bottle should be plenty.
Ferro fluid is just such dirty stuff, i dont know wether to try a bit of gas first, cause i dont want to have to clean that stuff out.

Had a bit of a snoop round about that 8XA circuit, seems he used it to pulse a LCL resonant circuit. Coil,capacitor,Coil.and self  resonant frequency of the coil-cap-coil can be achieved with relativly low pulse rate. But i have more study to do on this. But i can see how the two coil red pump stlye epg could work like that.

Ive got some PTFE plumbers tape spools to wind primaries on. Done a quick (very rough) calculation, estimate 420 Ampre turns per spool, with a max of 1A goin thru each coil. Waiting for a soft iron rod(10KHz max) to make the core out of. Gonna do two single cores and a long one to take all 5 spools if i get round to making a 5 coiler.

Sweet phill!

Can't wait to see what hapens! My work starts Tuesday! It's going to be balls to the wall for 2 weeks at my lab!!! There will be results!

Yeah! ~Russ

Hey guys! I moved your thoughts on this theory

interesting video based on Leedskalnin theories
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=87


Go there to finish Q&A about that subject! I like it so i moved it to keep on subject!

Back to the EPG,

Well, if I used helium, I would use carbon electrodes in my spark gap. Why you ask, carbon nano tubes!

That's how there made! And they do some interesting things with magnetics!   It's acutly somthing I was going to try down the road!

Google it, bring some info back here....

~Russ

Hi russ, I had a quick chat with my dad about stans theories about gas. It was only a brief chat coz he was goin out, but im gonna sit him down over the weekend and watch the newzealand vid with him and see what he thinks.

If anyones familiar with the searl SEG, that uses magnetic rollers arranged in rings and the magnets towards the outer rings are supposed to spin faster than the magnets on the inner rings, dont know if that has any bearing on electrons spinning faster in their outer orbits.

Also the 'nazi bell' apparently used some kind of spinning fluid (possibly mercury based) to create free energy/anti-gravity.

Quote from phil on May 28th, 2011, 12:24 PM

Hi russ, I had a quick chat with my dad about stans theories about gas. It was only a brief chat coz he was goin out, but im gonna sit him down over the weekend and watch the newzealand vid with him and see what he thinks.

If anyones familiar with the searl SEG, that uses magnetic rollers arranged in rings and the magnets towards the outer rings are supposed to spin faster than the magnets on the inner rings, dont know if that has any bearing on electrons spinning faster in their outer orbits.

Also the 'nazi bell' apparently used some kind of spinning fluid (possibly mercury based) to create free energy/anti-gravity.

Cool phill, yeah! It was mercury, and sence you brought it up, I was gking to try mercury after I tested some other stuff, like bismuth ore... It has some verry interesting properties!  

I also have done my research on the SEG and alot to think about there! I would say from what I know that that is corect!

So! Good stuff! I can't wait to get testing!!! So close now! Copple of days!

Would anyone be up for watching some tests live via justiontv.com

I was thinking about it but don't know if it would be worth while? Any thoughts?

~Russ

Back Loging some emails...

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Hi,

First of all,  fenomenal work! As simple as that because I just cannot find better words to describe it!
Maybe a bit crazy but, hey, most of scientists were a bit crazy! :D
I'm 100% with you...

But now about the project.
Just about the time you showed up I was doing research about magnetism (just for a leisure). And foud somethig interesting I didn't thought of until your project showed up. So...

At the time when Meyers made his system high-tech was only in the state of development, so - it cannot not be nothing too complex in basic idea!
Second - there has to be some kind of physical (in meaning of science) explanation about what is going on there. That is what I was trying to figure out... probably did a part of it!

In magnetism, there are three basic elements:
* feromagnetic elements (like iron and cobalt) that enforces magnetic field, makes it stronger while it is induced,
* paramagnetic elements (like aluminum, oxigen) that (making it simple) doesn't care about magnetism more or less,
* diamagnetic elements (like carbon, copper, hydrogen) that induces oposite polarity field when magnetic force is  applyed.
And there comes the trick: when you apply outer magnetic force to feromagnetic element (like iron) it tends to arrange all atoms in direction of magnetic force. The same with diamagnetic elements (like copper) but this time it tends to arrange all atoms oppose direction of magnetic force.
That is most probably what the guy (sorry, forgot his name) who made coil filled with hydrogen did - he induced diamagnetic particles of hydrogen to "transport" electromagnetic field form one coil to another... with quite low efficiency.

When particles are in state of gas they are magneticaly independent, each and every one moves seperately from each other and gas as state is ... tenuous, so collisions between particles are limited. From physics, ferrite cores used in transformers ensures that electromanetic energy from one coil to another moves with rate of 98..99.5%, close to maximum efficency. So does vaporized feromagnetic gas, maybe even better because of  relative "freedom".

If the tube would be filled ONLY with vaporizet feromagnetic gas, it should work like typical transformer but insted of limited AC current this time DC also would work because of particles realy moving around insted of static coil changing direction of atoms. So, where comes extra energy to make it self-sustainable? Diamagnetic gas! Diamagnetic gas DOES NOT NEED extra energy to induce oppose magnetic force, it creates it by itself opposing feromagnetic gas that is induced by primary coil! As particles in state of gas can move with almost no friction, diamagnetic particles can move easy enough to opposite direction! While feromagnetic gas simply transports nearly 100% of energy form one coil to another, diamagnetic gas adds extra boost to secondary coil because of its movement. Diamagnetic gas creates opposite magnetic force thus has to be moved in oposite direction to induse the same electrical flow in coil as in-right-direction-flowing feromagnetic gas.

Crazy? ... maybe!

Material of tube. There comes your iea about Eddy currents. ANY material (feromagnetic, diamagnetic, even paramagnetic) is affected by magnetic forces thus at some point there will be Eddy current generated in any material after all.  So here comes tube...
Feromagnetic tube will not work because it would act as static core of typical electrical transformer, Eddy current will show up real quick disabling diamagnetic gas to accelerate fast enough to induce significant power in secondary coil plus making core (in this case - tube) to heat up as transformers does thus building up resistance and draining power in cycle of feromagnetic particle energy "transportation".
Paramagnetic material woud not give any benefits in system itself in the same time it would also NOT reduse efecency. But the point is paramagnetic material (like plastic) will have extremely high resistance towards Eddy's current allowing extreme velocity of acceleration... if not under control, could cause something like low-speed Hadron Collider (in comparison with original one)... just a guess, I don't know!
But diamagnetic material (like copper tube) would act as feromagnetic tube in opposite way. This time, it would not drain significant amount of energy because basic transformer function is done by feromagnetic material and diamagnetic material gives only boost in the same time diamagnetic forces are significantly lower than feromagnetic forces. If induced power goes high enough, could happen the same with heat as as with feromagnetic tube making natural limitation. Sounds good to me - self-sustainable self-controled self-limiting system... hmmm....

If this theory is right, it also expalins theory about Higgs Bosons... that is how particle can lose it's weight! Magnetism by itself is created because of mass... bla, bla, bla... When pariche moves close to speed of light, its mass grows to infinity. So... what happens if two opposite infinite magnetic forces are combined? Mass becomes irrelivat! It is like you would have two massive magnets possitioned with the same polarity oppose each other (same magnetic force opposite one another in dirrection) - no matter how hard you push them together, it is impossible to connect them withot applying force that is infinite times bigger than force nedded to move the magnet itself (like to lift or push).

Whatever... :D

Maybe it will help, maybe not, it just my idea about things going on there.
 


BTW, hello form Latvia! It is a small country in North East of Europe next to giant Russia in coast of Baltic sea! We are so small in map that most people doesn't know about us! :D
That automaticly makes English as my secondary language so forgive me my mistakes or awkward sentences!

Sincerely,
Valters Celmiņš
(or simply DefekCs in Youtoube).

~Russ

good follow up Russ. i was interested in what you had to say.

before you up the juice on that epg, consider a few clues. spark gap low frequency low volts. multiple gaps for higher rates, nitrogen is cheap and would aid in the chamber because of its natural properties non magnetic. dilectric.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvVuFDrwloE

push pull may be the best way to get the particles alternating?
Have you thought about the infra red leds yet?

Hi Russ very nice setup in the new lab.  May be a good idea to keep some doors or windows open in case of explosion of hydrogen. (avoid pressure build up) I had read about lightning balls created in a microwave with cooper, water, salt and carbon.?  Pointed electrodes? Will it start in ambient air?  Tip the doughnut to release air that collected in the bottom of the doughnut.?  Flatten doughnut some to decrease volume inside?  Just a couple of thoughts  

Try a smaller gap in the doughnut . Light the hydrogen flame and observe any change in flame colour or size of the flame. With and without the high voltage . Mmmmmmmmm doughnuts

Quote from Blazer on June 3rd, 2011, 04:24 AM

Hi Russ very nice setup in the new lab.  May be a good idea to keep some doors or windows open in case of explosion of hydrogen. (avoid pressure build up) I had read about lightning balls created in a microwave with cooper, water, salt and carbon.?  Pointed electrodes? Will it start in ambient air?  Tip the doughnut to release air that collected in the bottom of the doughnut.?  Flatten doughnut some to decrease volume inside?  Just a couple of thoughts

Thanks! Yeah, i plan on putting a vent in the roof!

Posting some new videos soon on the hydro donut!

some good thoughts, thanks!

~Russ

Quote from phil on June 3rd, 2011, 05:10 AM

Try a smaller gap in the doughnut . Light the hydrogen flame and observe any change in flame colour or size of the flame. With and without the high voltage . Mmmmmmmmm doughnuts

I will be posting some videos or that today, I tryed it and it kinda worked... Still trying some stuff.

Hows your build going?

Thanks!! ~Russ

Im waiting on delivery of parts, the only truly non magnetic pump i found was a drill powered pump for £8, bakolite body with a rubber impeller 1000 lpm, you connect it to a drill or motor or whatever you want i did have my eye on a swimming pool pump as that has all plastic impeller but it was like £80 and i didnt want to pay out on that and only use the impeller and be left with a dirty great electric motor that i wasnt going to use, ordered a big lump of 25mm diameter x 200mm long soft iron rod to make the cores out of. Gonig to pick up a lathe/milling machine combo hopefully next week sometime.

Once im done im gonna do a test run with water, just to check for leaks and see how the pump runs, then blow the core out with compressed air and go for ferro fluid.

Ive wound one primary on a PTFE tape reel once i get the iron core done ill have a play with the primaries.

I have toyed with the idea of getting a couple of bad ass N52 ring magnets made up with a 10mm hole up the middle to provide the magnetic field and try just a pump/permenent magnet arrangement, forget about the pulsing. Might get DC output from that.

Quote from phil on June 3rd, 2011, 03:35 PM

Im waiting on delivery of parts, the only truly non magnetic pump i found was a drill powered pump for £8, bakolite body with a rubber impeller 1000 lpm, you connect it to a drill or motor or whatever you want i did have my eye on a swimming pool pump as that has all plastic impeller but it was like £80 and i didnt want to pay out on that and only use the impeller and be left with a dirty great electric motor that i wasnt going to use, ordered a big lump of 25mm diameter x 200mm long soft iron rod to make the cores out of. Gonig to pick up a lathe/milling machine combo hopefully next week sometime.

Once im done im gonna do a test run with water, just to check for leaks and see how the pump runs, then blow the core out with compressed air and go for ferro fluid.

Ive wound one primary on a PTFE tape reel once i get the iron core done ill have a play with the primaries.

I have toyed with the idea of getting a couple of bad ass N52 ring magnets made up with a 10mm hole up the middle to provide the magnetic field and try just a pump/permenent magnet arrangement, forget about the pulsing. Might get DC output from that.

Good update.

Can you post a photo of the core you are going to make? After some testing the core may need separate cores... Spaced slightly apart. And I'm building a copper EPG to spec of stans... I have this felling that Ferro fluid was used.

What was your calculation of the amount of Ferro fluid?

Thanks for the update.

~Russ    

here is some videos to update you all, keep talking! whats your thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwYghIlNhEY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSvIV2F1OU8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqHH4iwEjd0

Thanks, ~Russ

great work. I just want to add my observations.  The gas was steady and didn't increase under use, there was the proper way to make the gap work efficiently. you now add 15 pounds of gas or 20 use the 2 permanent magnets to prime the system. now you turn on under the proper conditions, and observe 24 hours. testing temperature and pressure. you will have a steady pressure and a heavy ferrous dipole saturation, along with electrons. you had steady streamers of abundance now also in this 24 hour process of priming the system..  use the infra red lights also. now the permanent magnets create the dipoles for you. the gap will make nano tubes. the gas will ionize, the streamer abundant, pressure steady. after that start up the primary coils, and find the induction density. the flux density. there you can calculate but not needed.

there is one more observation. that is, what is the direction of the coil. is the emf liner, or is it scattered over the entire electric field of the spark gap medium? if you make one more coil. and wrap it across the other.you will have two induction coils to discover the direction of the magnetic field. there needs to be an observable emf, and its direction defined. perpendicular to the incoming magnetic field. you may find out the emf is in every direction coming off the spark gap itself.

there is great need for AC power. directly generating.  A great device would do it effectively..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT-94c1Q6Ms

Quote from Rwg42985 on June 3rd, 2011, 04:21 PM

Quote from phil on June 3rd, 2011, 03:35 PM

Im waiting on delivery of parts, the only truly non magnetic pump i found was a drill powered pump for £8, bakolite body with a rubber impeller 1000 lpm, you connect it to a drill or motor or whatever you want i did have my eye on a swimming pool pump as that has all plastic impeller but it was like £80 and i didnt want to pay out on that and only use the impeller and be left with a dirty great electric motor that i wasnt going to use, ordered a big lump of 25mm diameter x 200mm long soft iron rod to make the cores out of. Gonig to pick up a lathe/milling machine combo hopefully next week sometime.

Once im done im gonna do a test run with water, just to check for leaks and see how the pump runs, then blow the core out with compressed air and go for ferro fluid.

Ive wound one primary on a PTFE tape reel once i get the iron core done ill have a play with the primaries.

I have toyed with the idea of getting a couple of bad ass N52 ring magnets made up with a 10mm hole up the middle to provide the magnetic field and try just a pump/permenent magnet arrangement, forget about the pulsing. Might get DC output from that.

Good update.

Can you post a photo of the core you are going to make? After some testing the core may need separate cores... Spaced slightly apart. And I'm building a copper EPG to spec of stans... I have this felling that Ferro fluid was used.

What was your calculation of the amount of Ferro fluid?

Thanks for the update.

~Russ

Yes ill get some pics up as soon as i got something to show.

i need 2 cores for the mech EPG, one either side of the pump. The centres of the plumbers tape spools are 25mm hole. The soft iron rod i ordered is 25mm Diameter. Just gonna cut two lengths  16mm thick and drill a 10mm hole in the centre to fit the copper pipe thru. Got my speaker knobs to hold the things in place at the ready, just waiting on the core.

My calculation for the amount of fluid was.
Copper OD 10mm. Wall thickness 0.7mm.
Copper ID is 10mm-0.7mm-0.7mm = 8.6mm ID.
Therefor radius is 4.3mm.
PI x 4.3 x 4.3 = 58 mm2.
Take the 58mm2 this is the cross sectional area of the tube ID and multiply it by the length of the spiral plus any additonal fill point etc. Will give you the volume of the pipe. (If im using a pump there will be a bit extra to fill the pump body).

I think my spiral is about 4.7m long. Your pipe should have about the same 58mm2 crosssection as mine. Just insert your tube length in the calculation.

I convert to centimeters here so i get milliltres in the answer.

0.58 cm2 x (tube length in centimetres) 470cm = 272.8 cm3 or 272.8 ml.

A 500 ml bottle would nearly fill 2 18 inch EPGs. Cost about £200 so thats what $350? or you can brew your own from PCB etchant ferric chloride, household ammonia and oleic acid. They are all cheap.  I posted a link here showing a process where it was done on a small scale and it wasnt that great yield. I'd be guesiing you'd need to knock it up in a barrel the get the 300-400 ml you may need. Didnt wanna do it in my back yard in case the neighbours thought i was cookin meth, ha ha. It would be cheaper to make the ferrofluid yourself but it looked quite labour intensive...lots of stirring.
When faced with spending all weekend stirring a barrel of goo givng off fumes, i choose to do some overtime and buy a bottle.

If you ever get you hands on 500ml bottle of ferro fluid i think you should give one of your rodins a bath before you pour it in the EPG, always wondered how the fields would look around one of those things. Would we see the vortex?

I do however see one problem with ferro fluid. Ive been watching vids of electromagnets and FF. The magnets seem to be much bigger than the EPGs coils and they only move the FF a couple of inches at best. I cant see how the magnetic field from those two coils(mech EPG) makes it thru 4.7m of copper pipe filled with FF. Im sitting here with 2 permenant magnets and its more like 4.7.cm they start to attract.

But then ive only been watching videos. Maybe its just the surface tension of the oil looking like its a weak reaction and those iron particles are goin nuts under the surface.

Still i want to get as much kick out of my primaries as possible. Am i right in thinking short sharp high voltage pulses into the primaries will do this? Big magnetic reaction in the coil? Maybe off a spark gap, i got some little tranformers out of plasma globes somewhere. Or a litle NST.

Quote from phil on June 4th, 2011, 06:10 PM

If you ever get you hands on 500ml bottle of ferro fluid i think you should give one of your rodins a bath before you pour it in the EPG, always wondered how the fields would look around one of those things. Would we see the vortex?

I'm still not convinced that ferro fluid shows were the magnetic flux lines are.  I have a small bottle of it here I mess with every once in awhile.  The curious things Ive noticed is when you stick a magnet to the side of a bottle with a small amount of fluid in it, the fluid moves up to the magnet spinning the ferro fluid "cones" till it is all on the magnet.  Then if you spin the magnet, the ferro fluid "cones" don't move at all.  
I think its almost a relationship between force and efficient stacking of the ferro material. So the taller cones are where the force is stronger.  I wonder how a bunch of steel BB's would stack up on the top of a big magnet.


Nate

Top job with the knightrider coils. Just what i wanted to see happen too. See if someone can donate you some david hasselhoff leather trousers. ha ha