Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system

freethisone

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #175, on October 17th, 2011, 11:10 PM »
I wanted to add this info i had discovered. what do you think Russ, universal chemical processes?
Greek fire perhaps?

In regards to the electrification of glass, I was lead to this information because i wanted to determin how glass becomes charged in the presents of salt water. Im fasinated by this elastic fluid.

Silyl hydride
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Silicon hydrides are chemical compounds which contain a silicon–hydrogen bond. The silicon-to-hydrogen bond is longer than the C–H bond (148 compared to 105 pm) and weaker (299 compared to 338 kJ/mol). Hydrogen is more electronegative than silicon hence the naming convention of silyl hydrides. The parent compound SiH4 is called silane, and an example is phenylsilane. Silyl hydrides are very reactive and used as reducing agent for example PMHS.

In one study triethylsilylhydride is used in the conversion of an phenyl azide to an aniline [1]:

    Azide Reduction By Triethylsilylhydride

In this reaction ACCN is a radical initiator and an aliphatic thiol transfers radical character to the silylhydride. The triethylsilyl free radical then reacts with the azide with expulsion of nitrogen to a N-silylarylaminyl radical which grabs a proton from a thiol completing the catalytic cycle:

    Azide Reduction By Triethylsilylhydride mechanism

Aqueous workup then gives aniline.

Silyl hydrides can even take up the reduction of robust molecules such as carbon dioxide (to methane) [2]:

    Carbon dioxide reduction

Although it takes a very complex catalyst system.
[edit] Hydrosilylation

Silyl hydrides react with various unsaturated substrates such as alkenes, alkynes, imines, carbonyls and oximes to new organosilicon compounds in hydrosilylation. In the reaction of triphenylsilyl hydride with phenylacetylene the reaction product is a trans or cis or the geminal vinyl silane, for example [3]:

    Hydrosilylation with Triphenylsilyl hydride

In the related silylmetalation, a metal replaces the hydrogen atom.
[edit] References

freethisone

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #176, on October 17th, 2011, 11:10 PM »Last edited on October 17th, 2011, 11:41 PM by freethisone
I wanted to add this info i had discovered. what do you think Russ, universal chemical processes?
 i only cut and pasted the information im looking into, but im sure there is more to it.
Greek fire perhaps?Effective Charge of Glass and Silica in Deionized Solutions:idea:

Semiconductor materials
... also known as silyl alcohol, is a chemical with formula SiH3OH. It is the simplest silicon alcohol, and is a heavy, volatile, colorless, flammable, liquid. At room temperature ...

In regards to the electrification of glass, I was lead to this information because i wanted to determin how glass becomes charged in the presents of salt water. Im fasinated by this elastic fluid.

Silyl hydride
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Silicon hydrides are chemical compounds which contain a silicon–hydrogen bond. The silicon-to-hydrogen bond is longer than the C–H bond (148 compared to 105 pm) and weaker (299 compared to 338 kJ/mol). Hydrogen is more electronegative than silicon hence the naming convention of silyl hydrides. The parent compound SiH4 is called silane, and an example is phenylsilane. Silyl hydrides are very reactive and used as reducing agent for example PMHS.

In one study triethylsilylhydride is used in the conversion of an phenyl azide to an aniline [1]:

    Azide Reduction By Triethylsilylhydride

In this reaction ACCN is a radical initiator and an aliphatic thiol transfers radical character to the silylhydride. The triethylsilyl free radical then reacts with the azide with expulsion of nitrogen to a N-silylarylaminyl radical which grabs a proton from a thiol completing the catalytic cycle:

    Azide Reduction By Triethylsilylhydride mechanism

Aqueous workup then gives aniline.

Silyl hydrides can even take up the reduction of robust molecules such as carbon dioxide (to methane) [2]:

    Carbon dioxide reduction

Although it takes a very complex catalyst system.
[edit] Hydrosilylation

Silyl hydrides react with various unsaturated substrates such as alkenes, alkynes, imines, carbonyls and oximes to new organosilicon compounds in hydrosilylation. In the reaction of triphenylsilyl hydride with phenylacetylene the reaction product is a trans or cis or the geminal vinyl silane, for example [3]:

    Hydrosilylation with Triphenylsilyl hydride

In the related silylmetalation, a metal replaces the hydrogen atom.
[edit] References


sami

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #178, on October 26th, 2011, 07:42 AM »Last edited on October 26th, 2011, 08:09 AM by sami
:angel: has anyone tried using nickel with hydrogen gas .  The nickel could be used in a ferrofluid type solution using nickel instead of ferro.  sami
Quote from Rwg42985 on April 29th, 2011, 07:45 AM
Phill, thanks for posting! I'm in the proses of going back threw my email and get info like what you have here! Thanks for joining!

There are 2 things that I have been pondering alot!!!! And that is Gas VS Plasma

I will be working with both. In my last update video I showed a clear toroide that mike powers had molded. I  plan on using hydrogen solely and making plasma in that toroid... That will be sweet!!!!

Then I can play with plasma and no plasma...

I believe that if it worked with no plasma as stans EPG's were copper... It would be better in my opinion to make it a plasma device...  It would be hard to make a plasma in a copper tube... Not that it won't work... It just will be hard...

I will be posting another video soon of more info that I have collected.

Can you get me a number that I can call that neon sighn place... I want to call them and get some quotes.

 

~Russ

:angel:  http://www.chemguide.co.uk/physical/catalysis/introduction.html
Hydrogen molecules are also adsorbed on to the surface of the nickel. When this happens, the hydrogen molecules are broken into atoms. These can move around on the surface of the nickel.
If a hydrogen atom diffuses close to one of the bonded carbons, the bond between the carbon and the nickel is replaced by one between the carbon and hydrogen.
That end of the original ethene now breaks free of the surface, and eventually the same thing will happen at the other end.

sami
Quote from phil on April 26th, 2011, 01:24 PM
Hi russ, I thought i'd share some things i found that may be relevent to your MPG and a few if my thoughts at the end,
 
http://www.teachertube.com/viewVideo.php?title=Eddy_Currents&video_id=78310    Eddy currents - check out the diagram near the end of the video eddy currents in a copper tube illustration, maybe the eddy currents act as some sort of containment field, containing a plasma?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3AiM1BYX-c    Electronegativity/eletropositvity. the abiltiy of elements to lose/gain electrons.
 
www.fusor.net/    The Farnsworth fusor/multipactor. Outlines principle for fusing atoms together.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion    Ions
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionic_bond   Ionic bond
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionization_energy   Ionization energies. Shows how much energy you need to remove the electrons from argon.
 
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-193544.html   Vapourization of metal. Iron boils about 3000C.
 
http://www.chemicool.com/elements/iron.html    Check out the energies of iron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)#Magnetization   Plasma
 
https://www.youtube.com/user/keshefoundation#p/u/4/wtf5bp76ArE    Keshe. Good info here 5 parts.
 
https://www.youtube.com/user/keshefoundation#p/u/7/zLaZnjk23HU    Keshe. Plasma in a bottle.
 
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Keshe_Foundation   Keshe. Plasma energy and antigravity applications.
 
 
Hope these help.

I'd like to share a few of my thoughts too,
I looked briefly at these patents a while back and decided the the gas was the key here, no point in spending time winding the coils with no gas right? It fell to the back of my mind and then i came across your videos on youtube and it got me back thinking again,
 
High voltage DC, not AC microwave oven diodes to rectify i got 4 new 12kv ones for  £10 whatever that works out in dollars $15. You want to pull electrons off so you only want the argon exposed to one polarity, High voltage negative i think. We want to make cations and anions of argon and steel.
 
 Hollow electrode for the argon, argon ionized on its way up the electrode.
   
 Point hollow electrode at solid iron electrode HV+  ,  (this is what the dots on meyers gas generator patent may signify, it shows a cross sectional view solid/hollow, possibly a clue left for us to wonder how the gas gets in the chamber? Also in one of the patents is a device for burning a gas completly, egg shaped chamber, hollow core design)  
 
 Then deliver your argon slowly and it is completly encapsulated by the arc comming off the edges of the tube and all of the argon is treated by the metal coming off the other electrode charged in the opposite polarity like charges attract, you want negative on the argon and positive on the metal smash that argon and iron together. (Try switching polarities? Gap distance?)
 
The argon has a bonus of cooling the hollow electrode while you want the +electrode to get hot and vapourize, it takes a lot of energy to vapourize iron, maybe look further down the periodic table for a lower melting point magnetizable metal for the electrode Neo? Pure iron?
 
Argon dont ionize easily.
 
For the magnetization, look up how permenent magnets are made.
 
 Heat a metal and cool it in a magnetic field, which is what we are doing with our arc.
 
 The length of time the particles are exposed to the field may matter or the temp range that they are exposed to, ie magnetized from 1000c-500c? Id say keep it in the magnetic field as long as possible. (something called the curie or curing temperature rings a bell here)
 
To test for magnetic gas, fill a baloon and try and roll it on a flat surface with a strong magnet or maybe put some in a very lightwieght small plastic bag (the kind that crinkles up easily) and look for surface movement on the bag.
 
Now is this gas generator used to fill up the coils once? Do we need it each time its started? Does it stick on the side of the coil on a T-piece and the ionized particles are allowed to drift into the main coil. Does it fit in series with the copper tube and the arc is kept going until it becomes self sustaining?
 
What is the maximum pressure this copper tube will take?
 
Stan seems to use the solder copper pipe fittings not compression fittings, just for neatness or is it important the diameter of the pipe is constant and smooth?
 
I think copper tube is significant but i am gonna see what happens when i pump some crushed ferrite magnets in water thru a clear plastic hose. Put coils around it, i think the magnets will die in the crushing process, magnetic powder is available to buy, i figure if you can see the magnetic particles moving in the tube may help visulise what we are trying to create.
 
I heard talk of oval tubes in these Meyers MPG's. Check out a guy called Viktor Schauberger, he designed a kind of double egg-shaped oval tube that sustained vortex's. Do we want to create an ideal environment for a magnetic vortex to flow at high speed with low energy input? Or plasma vortex?
 
Shauberger talks of centrifical/centripical/centrepedal type flows, (cant remember the exact type theres so many centri-somethings), but when you get these two flows goin big things happen. Is this what we have here eddy currents/magnetic field from the secondary surrounding the magnetic gas moving through the middle in a vortex type motion. I know stan says the gas dont move but just trying to visulize whats goin on in that copper tube, somethings moving thats for sure!
 
Coil layout may be significant, some MPG devices appear to have multiple secondaries while some seem to have long thin all over winding for the secondarys. The all over type winding  may be used as part of the gas driving or containment mechanism, it may not be a secondary?
 
I like the idea of catching the same magnetic disturbance multiple times, many free energy devices appear to work in this way.
 
Primary coil, think of it like one of those electromagnetic rail guns or a mag-lev train frictionless motion in a tube, you can get some serious push/pull by pulsing magnets quicky at the right time.
 
 Iron core will only pulse up to a certain frequency then you have to move on to ferrite, iron dust or air as im sure you know.
 
Maybe a sequential pulse or like stan says any waveform.
 
Anyway just my ideas, Phil.
 
Dont do anything silly with hydrogen will ya.

Hi, me again. I've still been thinking about the magnetic gas, I repair automatic doors for a living and it involves a lot of time driving and that gives me a lot of time to think/meditate in quiet alone. So I got some more thoughts and bits and pieces I've researched/tracked down or I believe to be relevant,  comments, call them what you will.
 
I've been on the quest for the free energy grail for 4-5 years now, and the one thing I've found is no-one gives away all the details in their patents to make any direct copy. But with that said, it IS the place to start and I take my hat of to you doing that. Ok heres my list.
 
Example of a gas joined with a solid.
 
Sodium(Na) + Chlorine(Cl) = Sodium Chloride = Salt = A solid.....NaCl

Iron(Fe) + Argon(Ar) = (insert name) = A solid maybe? =....FeAr.........FEAR gas lol.
 
Sodium joins with Chlorine in a crystal LATTICE as stan describes, but the end result is a solid not a gas. Iron's gotta be heavier than sodium, and I think Argons heavier than Chlorine.
 
Maybe you're gonna get  a solid and as these solid particles cool in the magnetic fields these get permanently magnetised as described by stan. NANO PARTICLES.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_reactor    -   Makes Nanoparticles. Fullerenes, C60, by vaporizing graphite in an arc. Its about 15% efficient process. Gap and electrode size matter.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckminsterfullerene - Buckmeister fullerine. C60. Conducts electricity very well. Maybe FeAr magnetizes very well.
 
 My physics teacher told me that most of the magnetism is inside a permenent magnet, if we could only get at it. On the nano particle scale we could be doing just this. But then again would all the permanently magnetized particles just stick together. I've got some neo-spheres and they just want to clump together, when i crushed a magnet, again big mess all clumped together. Didn't have much luck with ferro fluid but then i only had 30 ml of the stuff to play with. made a little MPG bout the size of a bracelet.
 
We could be dealing with a fusion style reaction.
 
http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/category/C70/   -   Focus fusion, Interesting electrode design. Focus your plasma at your iron? New elements created? Watch out for X-rays.
 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1518007279479871760#   Video. Shows electrode design and plasma. Gets a bit technical but worth a watch.
 
The Tokomak fusion thing seems to be a bit of a white elephant that the government uses to waste time and money on.
 
 
So i'm gonna go off on a bit of a tangent here, suppose the device doesn't function quite as described, i'm gonna be reading between the lines a fair bit here and looking for a few hidden meanings in what stan says. Its really a bit of a collection of things I found on my travels researching plasma (after all, what is it between them electrodes if it aint a plasma?)
 
Stan says solid,liquid but preferably a gas. See the ascending order...What comes after gas...PLASMA. Plasma IS a magnetic gas! It has magnetic properties.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UzyO-n_-HE     -   Plasma affected by magnetic field.
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aXc34rcTi0&NR=1
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSm8aR2W9O0&NR=1
 
 
Now I dont see a tin can for making gas chucked on the side of any of stans coils only that red thing that could also be a pump, so its either a fill up device, or my feelings tell me it was integrated into the coil somewhere.
 
All we need is Iron Argon spark/plasma in a tube. In the patent he says 'Evacuated'. Like neon sign tubes. Theres a neon sign dealer near me. Ill find out if they could fill a MPG with argon and then evacuate it, they do it to glass rods from scratch? Must be a fill valve of somekind?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas-filled_tube  - Argon efficient, low striking voltage. Gas tubes  air expelled, argon in, reduce pressure (EVACUATED), it will conduct better.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd3j3wHi2QI&feature=related   _  This  guy can focus his plasma in his tube by varying frequency.
 
Are we dealing with a plasma core transformer. Electrode at each end of a tube then coiled. Gas is better than liquid. Plasma better than gas? Theres a magnetic component to plasma, right?
Plasmas moves like a gas/fluid. So we are kinda 'Hydraulicaly' pumping with the primary a LOT of magnetism a little way, just so the field cuts the secondary and out again.
 
Is that what the heatsink device of stans is all about, the one with the cooling fins in the centre? To bleed off heat from a permanently installed spark gap....pointing outward and runs the length of the tube..
 
Be nice to see your primary coil around a gas discharge tube, look for a pumping action in the plasma. Bit of a visual aid.
 
I see a problem with the copper pipe in that my instinct tells me the plasma will want to go down that at some point. But what if the plasma was focused down the centre of the tube either by frequency adjustment and/or being somehow centralized in the tube by its own eddy currents, allowing us to gather any magnetic disturbance on the outside of the tube in the secondary winding?
 
Is the copper tube one massive heatsink?
 
Not all plasma glows? you got 3 types Discharge plasma, Glowing plasma and DARK plasma. In that its there but you cant see it.
 
http://www.dapla.org/dark_plasma.htm    -    Dark plasma. Dark matter accounts for like loads of the universe. Could be it wont melt your tube?
 
Plasma - The primary state of matter. Do we just create a plasma in the tube and shake it about with the primary and collect the output in the secondary, a magnetic 'skin' on the outside of the tube. You can see in the videos that its easily moved by a magnetic field, and has strong magnetic fields, especially when concentrated. You get a plasmoid. I've found very little info on magnetic fields in a plasma..... could be someones trying to hide something?
 
http://www.28an.com/altenergypro/device04.htm   -    Plasma and a coil. I know theres debate over don smiths devices (it may be bullPoo , but its good bull Poo. ha ha) but here it is plasma and a coil, apparently this doesn't work in this configuration but you get the idea? Could dons other devices be focusing plasma in some way. Could the EV Gray tube be focusing plasma/accelerating particles towards its centre electrodes and taking off the energy? Faster particle=more energy? Electrostatic acceleration? Like a cylindrical farnsworth fusor?
 
I'm supposing different plasmas will have different magnetic effects?
 
Once we have a magnetic plasma its just a case sucking off the magnetic part of the plasma with the secondary. Im suspicious theres not more info on magnetic fields in plasmas, I smell a cover up. ha ha?
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolaser   -  Add some laser energy. Found something else bout lasers and plasma but lost it, sorry.
 
 
Anyway this is all just guesswork based on things I'd come along the way and questions I've asked myself and kinda trying to put the jigsaw together a different way in my head and taking into account there are always details left out of the patents could be the gas generator is part and parcel of the MPG and the diagram is just to illustrate the process. And could the magnetic particle generator really be a magnetic plasma generator? I might try a coil round a fluorescent tube see if theres an effect on the light produced. When i got some cash ill go down that neon sign place and get a clear tube(no fluorescent coating on the inside) made and filled and evacuated with argon, then bung a coil round it and see what i can get the plasma to do.
 
Let me know when you got your website up, and if you wanna put up any of these emails on there its fine. I'm self taught. Someone with more brain power than me might have a eureka moment...who knows.
 
Phil..



KevinW_EnhancedLiving

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #181, on January 16th, 2012, 07:25 AM »Last edited on January 16th, 2012, 07:52 AM by KevinW_EnhancedLiving



absolutelynobody

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #184, on January 24th, 2012, 05:50 AM »
Hello.  First post.  My comments are going to be on the EPG system that Stanley Meyers designed.  My decades of experience in the field of repair of electrical mechanical devices tells me that a lot of people are trying to make this invention of Stanley Meyers out to be more than it really is.  Now let me explain, because I know that statement may make a lot of people angry. When I first saw the TV based documentary that aired in England on Stanley Meyer's Water Fuel Cell, I remember how Stanley started up that WFC.  He plugged in a electric motor. The electric motor had a pulley on the drive shaft with a belt attached that was spinning a alternator.  And the output of the alternators stator windings were being used to power the WFC. Now I know he had his electronics there as well, but my focus is now on the electrical motor and alternator.  Now, it is my opinion that the electrical motor in the documentary was not running at "free speed".  In other words, that electrical motors speed was being restricted to run at a very specific RPM in order to generate a very specific FREQUENCY out of the alternators stator windings, which as said before were being used to power the WFC.  Now let me ask you all a simple question.  Does ANYONE see a EPG present in that documentary?  ANYONE??  The answer is NO. An EPG is NOT always  necessary for Stanley's WFC to operate.  And now I will go on to explain the significance of what I just revealed to you.  When you look at Stanley Meyer's patents on the EPG you will see that he feeds the power off of the EPG back into the WFC to run it.  But on the documentary he just uses a electric motor spinning a alternator to produce the necessary power to run the WFC.  So here is the explanation of why Stanley Meyer designed a EPG.  Stanley Meyer needed a very specific frequency in order to produce the hydrogen out of his fuel cell and that very specific frequency was able to be produced by a electric motor spinning at a very specific RPM, spinning a alternator at a very specific RPM, producing a very specific frequency (pulse) out of the alternators stator windings which was used to power the WFC.  BUT, and I say BUT again, what happens when you put that alternator on the VW horizontally opposed 4 cylinder engine?  You guessed it.  If not, the answer is that it is impossible to keep the alternator spinning at exactly the correct RPM on a engine powering a vehicle.  As we all know the RPM of an engine is CONTINUOUSLY changing when a vehicle is being driven.  So what worked for Stanley on his table top model would have to be modified to work on a actual running engine.  THE IDEA OF THE EPG WAS BORN.  Let me say right now, Stanley Meyers had, in my opinion, a ability to come up with ways of reinventing the wheel.  He could take a alternator, in use for decades at the time of his EPG invention, and come up with a way to make one which worked (in a limited sense, according to HIS needs).  Even though his EPG worked on the same basic principles of magnetism that a automotive alternator does, it looks absolutely nothing like it.  And Stanley had flair, he was afraid people would see the simplicity of his design so he purposely made it seem much more complicated than it actually is.  He repeatedly on purpose put all different types of features on the patents of his inventions which (in my opinion) he never used on his working prototype.  It was just his flair for making it all seem so much more scientific and complicated in a effort to throw off would be copy cats.  His patents are full of carefully worded descriptions of things which would have worked to aid his inventions IF they had actually been developed, and I believe they never were.  Simply because they were not needed in order for his device to work.  Now to get back to the EPG.  When you first saw a photo of a EPG your jaw dropped  and you said WOW, how does that device work?!  Well, I am here to tell you it is nothing more than a alternator.  In a alternator a magnetized rotor spins with alternating north/south poles cutting across the windings of a stator, which is wrapped around the rotor and separated by a small air gap. The magnetic lines of force produced by the magnetized rotor cutting/sweeping across the stator windings produces a voltage and current flow in the stator windings.  There are normally three stator windings  in a modern alternator and the current produced is alternating current.  The stator windings are connected to a rectifier bridge (diodes) which changes the alternating current to direct current which the 12 volt dc automotive system can use.  The voltage produced is limited to 12 volts by a voltage regulator which turns on and off the current flow to the rotor coil limiting the rotors magnetic strength.  I know that there is a LOT more I could go into regarding the operation of a alternator, but those are the very basics.  What Stanley designed with his EPG worked on exactly the same principles, howbeit in a completely different package!  In Stanley's EPG design the copper tubing serves two purposes. First it contains the "magnetized rotor" that a alternator has. More about this shortly.  Secondly it serves the purpose of a framework which the stator windings can be wrapped around.  So how does it operate?  Stanley used Ferrofluid inside the copper tubing to create a magnetic field which was turned on and off by his "electrical particle accelerator" coils. These coils are the same coils that Russ is calling the "Primary coils".  By turning the primary coils (located in the center of Stanley's EPG's) on and off at a desired frequency you will cause the Ferrofluid to magnetize and then demagnetize at that same frequency.  Ferrofluid will magnetize and then demagnetize almost instantaneously. When the ferrofluid is magnetized by the primary coil being turned on, it will generate a magnetic field expanding across the stator windings wrapped around the copper tubing, just like the magnetized rotor in a alternator creates a magnetic field which expands across the stator windings.  When the primary coil of the EPG is turned OFF the Ferrofluid will demagnetize instantaneously and a voltage/current will be induced in the stator windings as the magnetic field created by the Ferrofluid  collapses across those stator windings.  Thus Stanley had created a way to maintain ANY desired frequency pulse out of his EPG windings required to operate his WFC, simply by pulsing the primary coil at the desired frequency.  Now Stanley experimented a bit in order to come up with a EPG design that really worked to his satisfaction.  You can tell this by just looking at the different designs and the one with the little red pump I believe was his final design.  His first design I believe is the one that is pictured in the Stanley Meyer Original Data From Estate, folder Home Heating and EPG, picture DSC_0055.  It shows a EPG THAT IS NOT A COMPLETE CLOSED LOOP.  All the other EPGs that were made were of a closed loop design.  Stanley had two sets of primary coils on this EPG that I believe were pulsed at his desired frequency, first one and then the other side.  Because it was IMPOSSIBLE for the Ferrofluid to go in a complete loop it could only be forced back and forth inside of the copper tubing.  Go and take a good look at the design yourself.  You will have to admit that there is a inlet (whichever side you choose) and the other side is a exit.  (but I don't even believe that, more on that shortly) The copper tubing is NOT connected in the middle.  No closed loop.  I believe that NO VAPOR went through this design at all.  The openings were simply for putting Ferrofluid in one side and having the other side open while doing so to allow air to escape (bleeding the system) while filling.  I will hereby say AGAIN that this system is not true closed loop like the other EPG devices.  The only purpose the primary coils could have is to either pulse both sides at the same time to magnetize the contents of the copper tubing, or to pulse one side and then the other in order to magnetize AND try and move the contents of the tubing back and forth.  And I believe the latter.  I believe that he almost, but not quite completely filled the copper tubing of the EPG with Ferrofluid  in order to GET SOME BACK AND FORTH MOVEMENT OF THE FERROFLUID causing more of a moving magnetic field to be cutting across the stator windings wrapped around the copper tubing of the EPG, in a attempt to induce a STRONGER field, thus more output.  REMEMBER, in this design it was IMPOSSIBLE to keep the Ferrofluid moving in a continuous loop.  The contents of the copper tubing could move to one set of primary coils and then would have to stop.  It could then move back in the opposite direction until it came the other set of primary coils but then would have to stop. NO Closed loop. Back and forth. Back and forth.  And it did not work to his requirements. I believe that is because he did not have enough speed of movement of the Ferrofluid within the copper tubing in order to generate the voltage/current that was necessary to power his WFC.  Ferrofluid only normally contains approximately 5% magnetic solid, 10% surfactant and 85% carrier.  So he would have to have a very strong magnetic field to get the movement of fluid that he was looking for.  His second design I believe was the single primary set of coils in the center of the EPG on a true closed loop system where he could accelerate the contents in one continuous direction, but again could not achieve the acceleration necessary to get his desired results.  Which leads to the final EPG, the one with the little red pump.  I believe this unit was able to finally achieve (or at least more so than the others) the acceleration of the Ferrofluid inside the copper tubing in order to obtain the desired results. And because the Ferrofluid was being mechanically accelerated by the pump there was no longer any need for large primary coils to try and power the fluid around. Two small coils, one on each side of the pump was all that was required now to magnetize the Ferrofluid at the desired frequency.  And I believe that the tubing was COMPLETELY filled with the Ferrofluid.  It would be very difficult to keep a steady flow of a fluid AND a vapor inside the tubing.  Gas compresses, liquid does not.  And the reason that he needs a nonmagnetic tubing for the EPG is that when the primary coils pulse, magnetizing the Ferrofluid, if the tubing was able to be magnetized then some of the Ferrofluid would cling to the tubing significantly if not drastically reducing the flow.  And as to the comments that I have heard (not here) about this being a overunity device on the magnitude of up to 500 times more energy out than put in to run......... I hereby simply state no.  It is just a alternator.  And he could have done what he did in many different ways.  And remember the company that I believe started up in Canada, Xogen.  They are supposedly using Stanley Meyer's technology that they obtained from one of Stanley's relatives.  Xogen states pretty much the same thing that Stanley Meyer's said.  That hydrogen is produced using a proprietary frequency, low amperage, etc. etc. etc.  And if you look at one of their videos on Youtube you can see it working in a "remote" location powered only by a battery.  Oh, yeah, and no EPG.  So much more to tell you about, but so little time.  Believe me or don't believe me, you just have to believe that I am absolutelynobody.


~Russ

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #186, on January 25th, 2012, 11:49 PM »Last edited on January 25th, 2012, 11:52 PM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from absolutelynobody on January 24th, 2012, 05:50 AM
Hello.  First post....
hello! your on the right track as is i see it.

some things a agree with some not.

order of build, i say red pump, then the one with the fins, then the mutli stacked EPG with pulsing coils in the center. not sure about the one with the closed end system. i believe he did this to osculate the inner medium at 60HZ so he sis not need any electronics and could run normal 60 HZ items if the voltage was right.

 you are right, this is nothing more than a generator or in your words alternator.

i f you read this patent you can see how the EPG was born, this was the first " EPG" but a mechanical one.

i also think that the ferro fluid was not used, but just something that was tried.

from my testes so far. the ferro fluid dose not work as it will not transfer the magnetic pulse past an inch or so. its verry strange stuff. you would think it acts the same as a solid when its pulsed but it dose not.

so back to H and O or Argon and iron ions...

and that brings us back to ionized gasses and the free electrons that will power the coils and act as and antenna...

so simply it could be just a normal magnetic device ( i believe it is) but, there are other theory's on how this could work ( with gasses) that are plausible. did stan try all these things and only the fluid worked? could be. but after reviewing all his other work, I'm still open to the ideas.  

on the alternator stan was using,  in the interview on the local news video you can see the motor and alternator mounted on the side of the buggy, so it would fun at that correct RPM.  ( just a side note)

all in all i agree with most of what you say but im still open to other theory as stan sis build most everything in his patents. see here for that

there was also alot of things missing from the estate. so we don't have all the photos of all the devices. did stan build and test everything he talks about? i would say most defiantly, did it all work? i dont know.

the only thing i can say is he may not have tried was the "laser" in the tube... i think that was a theory he had. but we don't know.

as far as  why the epg??? could  be for electron extraction... again an antenna

the other thing he talks ( a lot of what i have learned is not from the patents)  about is the idea that this was a power generating device. not just for the WFC but for any application.  hence the 60HZ cycle oscillating non closed loop EPG.

the idea that this was to do the same thing as the motor alternator combo is valid. but also there are much clues that lead me to believe that this was also for general power generation. such as this photo:



so im not ruling out any other possibility until tested. and even then i can not say as i may be doing something different or wrong?

you did see this correct?



this is that same set up as the drawing. with out the WFC attached.

so did he build everything and test it that he talks about? i think he did. for the most part. again see here:

the EPG is nothing more than a generator but  there is also a lot more to how the EPG could work than meets the eye. ??? ideas are endless.

it is a simple magnetic generator... yeah, i agree it looks that way. but we just don't know.

good post and thanks for posting your thoughts as that's where we come to a better understanding of stans work!

and as far as the "primary" coils in the dealership Manuel, it states some interesting stuff. as polarizing coils... no the prime mover... kinda interesting. again like you stated... a lot of stuff posted in the patents and stuff that can be misinterpreted.

thanks!! ~Russ

PS. i also have traced down and understand the electronics on those EPG's and that is also a reference for me to understand the EPG. not just patents..


phil

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #187, on January 26th, 2012, 09:56 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 25th, 2012, 11:49 PM
Quote from absolutelynobody on January 24th, 2012, 05:50 AM
Hello.  First post....
from my testes so far. the ferro fluid dose not work as it will not transfer the magnetic pulse past an inch or so. its verry strange stuff. you would think it acts the same as a solid when its pulsed but it dose not.
I found the same thing with ferro fluid, the only thing i can think is that a different grade was used that was chock full of iron particles to the point it could be described more like a 'slurry'. Lets face it everything we buy these days is watered down as much as possible.

~Russ

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #188, on January 27th, 2012, 02:53 AM »Last edited on January 27th, 2012, 02:54 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from phil on January 26th, 2012, 09:56 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 25th, 2012, 11:49 PM
Quote from absolutelynobody on January 24th, 2012, 05:50 AM
Hello.  First post....
from my testes so far. the ferro fluid dose not work as it will not transfer the magnetic pulse past an inch or so. its verry strange stuff. you would think it acts the same as a solid when its pulsed but it dose not.
I found the same thing with ferro fluid, the only thing i can think is that a different grade was used that was chock full of iron particles to the point it could be described more like a 'slurry'. Lets face it everything we buy these days is watered down as much as possible.
hi Phil! nice to see ya again! hope all is well!

yeah i mean at high frequency and high voltage maybe this stuff will act differently but for a standard core material... its just not there...

now, if you have a magnet you can attach it to the magnet, even a N52 neo and it will stick very well, but it only will go about 1" deep and everything else in that container is nor effected...  

so, with that said, i do not beleave ferro fluid is the EPG kinda "slurry" we are looking for...

thoughts???

~Russ


KevinW_EnhancedLiving

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #190, on January 29th, 2012, 09:22 AM »Last edited on January 29th, 2012, 09:25 AM by KevinW_EnhancedLiving
What does he mean by Oscillating magnetic field?    

Are any of the images believed to be the photon drive?
Another Epg built by Alexandros Theologou on FB.

Its an interesting design. Looks like he was able to wind bobbins first then thread the copper pipe threw them.

phil

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #191, on January 29th, 2012, 01:15 PM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 27th, 2012, 02:53 AM
Quote from phil on January 26th, 2012, 09:56 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 25th, 2012, 11:49 PM
Quote from absolutelynobody on January 24th, 2012, 05:50 AM
Hello.  First post....
hi Phil! nice to see ya again! hope all is well!
Hi russ, yeah still here. been busy at work. Ive been lurking tho so kinda up to date with things. I plan to get out in the shed soon and should have some more posts for everyone.

~Russ

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #192, on January 30th, 2012, 01:43 AM »
Quote from KevinW-dirtwill on January 29th, 2012, 09:22 AM
What does he mean by Oscillating magnetic field?    

Are any of the images believed to be the photon drive?

Another Epg built by Alexandros Theologou on FB.

Its an interesting design. Looks like he was able to wind bobbins first then thread the copper pipe threw them.
real nice! can you get him over here to have more discussions?

looks really good!


~Russ

Ravenous Emu

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #193, on January 30th, 2012, 01:27 PM »
Here are my thoughts to the EPG. KISS. :D

If we're using the ionizer to ionize water into gas, then ionize the gas...
In other words, removing all electrons from water.
Can the leftovers be used in the EPG system? I say YES!  You just ionized the water and gas, right?
An atom consists of 3 parts: Proton, Neutron, Electron.
So, if you take away all electrons you wind up with a positive charge.  Again, can you not ionize the water and then shove it through the EPG?:D

It's kind of like how faraday discovered the link between magnetism and electricity.
You shove a magnet into a loop of wire.  What do you get?
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/electromag/java/faraday2/

My 2 cents are...
Why worry about a ferro fluid, when you could just remove all the electrons and have a single charge running through the EPG.

What're your thoughts?


Ravenous Emu

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #195, on January 31st, 2012, 03:55 PM »
Russ has confirmed that... IF the ferromagnetic material were magnetic before it went into and kept it's magnetism (In other words, permanently magnetized)... THEN it would work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrofluid
"A ferrofluid... is a liquid which becomes strongly magnetized in the presence of a magnetic field."
"Ferrofluids usually do not retain magnetization in the absence of an externally applied field and thus are often classified as "superparamagnets" rather than ferromagnets."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetism
"Electromagnetism manifests as both electric fields and magnetic fields. Both fields are simply different aspects of electromagnetism, and hence are intrinsically related. Thus, a changing electric field generates a magnetic field; conversely a changing magnetic field generates an electric field."

http://www.physics.sjsu.edu/becker/physics51/elec_charge.htm
"There are two kinds of charge, negative and positive. The electric charge on an electron is very small and it is NEGATIVE: -1.6(10)-19 Coulombs. The protons found at the center of atoms have the same amount of charge as the electron except it is a POSITIVE electric charge: +1.6(10)-19 Coulombs."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge
"Electrically charged matter is influenced by, and produces, electromagnetic fields."

This is the reasoning I used for my last post.
1) Protons exhibit a positive electrical charge.
2) something that has an electrical charge exhibits an electrical field.
3) "a changing electric field generates a magnetic field".
4) moving the protons through a coil of wire produces electricity.

To quote Absolutely Nobody:  (That sounds really bad. :D)
"In a alternator a magnetized rotor spins with alternating north/south poles cutting across the windings of a stator, which is wrapped around the rotor and separated by a small air gap. The magnetic lines of force produced by the magnetized rotor cutting/sweeping across the stator windings produces a voltage and current flow in the stator windings."

Comparison:
EPG: uses "magnets" (the positive ions moving through the unit) to produce electricity.
Alternator: uses magnets to produce electricity.

EPG: the "magnets" move through the center of the coils. (much like a solenoid)
Alternator: runs along the exterior of the coils.

Keep up the good work Russ!  Great job!

fedeperis

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #196, on January 31st, 2012, 05:24 PM »
Quote from Ravenous Emu on January 31st, 2012, 03:55 PM
Russ has confirmed that... IF the ferromagnetic material were magnetic before it went into and kept it's magnetism (In other words, permanently magnetized)... THEN it would work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrofluid
"A ferrofluid... is a liquid which becomes strongly magnetized in the presence of a magnetic field."
"Ferrofluids usually do not retain magnetization in the absence of an externally applied field and thus are often classified as "superparamagnets" rather than ferromagnets."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetism
"Electromagnetism manifests as both electric fields and magnetic fields. Both fields are simply different aspects of electromagnetism, and hence are intrinsically related. Thus, a changing electric field generates a magnetic field; conversely a changing magnetic field generates an electric field."

http://www.physics.sjsu.edu/becker/physics51/elec_charge.htm
"There are two kinds of charge, negative and positive. The electric charge on an electron is very small and it is NEGATIVE: -1.6(10)-19 Coulombs. The protons found at the center of atoms have the same amount of charge as the electron except it is a POSITIVE electric charge: +1.6(10)-19 Coulombs."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge
"Electrically charged matter is influenced by, and produces, electromagnetic fields."

This is the reasoning I used for my last post.
1) Protons exhibit a positive electrical charge.
2) something that has an electrical charge exhibits an electrical field.
3) "a changing electric field generates a magnetic field".
4) moving the protons through a coil of wire produces electricity.

To quote Absolutely Nobody:  (That sounds really bad. :D)
"In a alternator a magnetized rotor spins with alternating north/south poles cutting across the windings of a stator, which is wrapped around the rotor and separated by a small air gap. The magnetic lines of force produced by the magnetized rotor cutting/sweeping across the stator windings produces a voltage and current flow in the stator windings."

Comparison:
EPG: uses "magnets" (the positive ions moving through the unit) to produce electricity.
Alternator: uses magnets to produce electricity.

EPG: the "magnets" move through the center of the coils. (much like a solenoid)
Alternator: runs along the exterior of the coils.

Keep up the good work Russ!  Great job!
Really good analysis ! ,,

What magnetize fluid should be use? , we must magnetize this fluid first?

Excellent work Russ!

firepinto

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #197, on January 31st, 2012, 05:33 PM »Last edited on January 31st, 2012, 06:15 PM by firepinto
I was always going to do a more in depth research on this, but I think Helium 3 could work for the EPG, although they say its in short supplies.  It is used in the medical MRI scanners for imaging lung pathways.  I found this quote from this website:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2494939/
Quote
In contrast, inhalation of hyperpolarized helium-3 (3He) gas provides a strong signal from the lung airspaces that permits high-spatial-resolution MR imaging (1, 2). Prior to performing an MRI examination with 3He, the gas is polarized outside of the scanner using a dedicated, laser-based device within which, over a period of minutes to hours (depending on the quantity of gas and details of system design), the nuclear polarization of the 3He atoms builds up to tens of percent. This polarization is several orders of magnitude larger than that achieved for protons when the human body is placed in an MRI scanner, and offsets the low density of the gas so that high-quality MR images of 3He in the airspaces of the lung can be obtained.
Hmm .. Lasers... Stan liked lasers!:D  I had no idea a laser could polarize gas.  

Nate

Edit: wonder if these people can supply us with some mag gas: http://www.ansto.gov.au/research/bragg_institute/facilities/instruments/polarised_helium-3_station

Ravenous Emu

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #198, on January 31st, 2012, 10:28 PM »
Here's another thought on the EPG... for using lasers. :D
I like lasers about as much as stan does.  Lightsabers anyone? :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror
"Mirrors of polished copper were crafted in Mesopotamia from 4000 BC, and in ancient Egypt from around 3000 BC."
Could that be a partial reason why stan used copper? *shrug*


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq5S2c9LsYs&feature=autoplay&list=PLE3055EA2CA838D26&lf=results_main&playnext=1
Min. 4:08-5:49
"How can we increase the electromagnetic field without increasing mass?"
(This assumes we have the right material on the inside already.)
PHOTONS!  (I.E. LIGHT!)
Photons have no mass. (http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/960731.html)

I'll get back to you on this... still working it out in my head. :D

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mod5.html
"Transitions between these quantized states occur by the photon processes absorption, emission, and stimulated emission. All of these processes require that the photon energy given by the Planck relationship is equal to the energy separation of the participating pair of quantum energy states."

"If an electron is already in an excited state (an upper energy level, in contrast to its lowest possible level or "ground state"), then an incoming photon for which the quantum energy is equal to the energy difference between its present level and a lower level can "stimulate" a transition to that lower level, producing a second photon of the same energy. "

~Russ

RE: Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system
« Reply #199, on January 31st, 2012, 11:57 PM »Last edited on February 1st, 2012, 12:00 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from Ravenous Emu on January 31st, 2012, 03:55 PM
Russ has confirmed that... IF the ferromagnetic material were magnetic before it went into and kept it's magnetism (In other words, permanently magnetized)... THEN it would work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrofluid
"A ferrofluid... is a liquid which becomes strongly magnetized in the presence of a magnetic field."
"Ferrofluids usually do not retain magnetization in the absence of an externally applied field and thus are often classified as "superparamagnets" rather than ferromagnets."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetism
"Electromagnetism manifests as both electric fields and magnetic fields. Both fields are simply different aspects of electromagnetism, and hence are intrinsically related. Thus, a changing electric field generates a magnetic field; conversely a changing magnetic field generates an electric field."

http://www.physics.sjsu.edu/becker/physics51/elec_charge.htm
"There are two kinds of charge, negative and positive. The electric charge on an electron is very small and it is NEGATIVE: -1.6(10)-19 Coulombs. The protons found at the center of atoms have the same amount of charge as the electron except it is a POSITIVE electric charge: +1.6(10)-19 Coulombs."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge
"Electrically charged matter is influenced by, and produces, electromagnetic fields."

This is the reasoning I used for my last post.
1) Protons exhibit a positive electrical charge.
2) something that has an electrical charge exhibits an electrical field.
3) "a changing electric field generates a magnetic field".
4) moving the protons through a coil of wire produces electricity.

To quote Absolutely Nobody:  (That sounds really bad. :D)
"In a alternator a magnetized rotor spins with alternating north/south poles cutting across the windings of a stator, which is wrapped around the rotor and separated by a small air gap. The magnetic lines of force produced by the magnetized rotor cutting/sweeping across the stator windings produces a voltage and current flow in the stator windings."

Comparison:
EPG: uses "magnets" (the positive ions moving through the unit) to produce electricity.
Alternator: uses magnets to produce electricity.

EPG: the "magnets" move through the center of the coils. (much like a solenoid)
Alternator: runs along the exterior of the coils.

Keep up the good work Russ!  Great job!
yes, this is what i have been saying for a while now, this EPG not only can be a magmatic device but also a " electron extraction grid" and produce energy... :)


Move electrons... make current flow... current flow is energy... energy is what we are looking for...

~Russ