Quote from Martinup on February 11th, 2012, 05:31 AM

Thanks you for the good links above Ravenous. I am trying to keep clear the flow of electricity and the flow of the magnetic fields clear in my head.

Blazer where can I get a copy of, " The Birth of a New Technology ? " You mentioned

I am itching to build an EPG. Where is some information on , " a HOW-TO-BUILD  RUSS'S Coil Winder?

Russ: Are we only looking to generate Current or are we Producing Hydrogen and some other biproducts with the EPG?

Thanks for a wonderful Interactive Forum to Learn and work together in.

Cheers all  !
Martin

Here is all Stan's info. Everything you need to know is there. If you would like to study this information it would be good for you. There is no how to right now. But reading this information is going to help you a lot. Especially the dealership manual.

http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/stanley-meyers-wfc-tec/patents-documents/

Thanks, ~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 11th, 2012, 11:10 AM

Quote from Martinup on February 11th, 2012, 05:31 AM

Thanks you for the good links above Ravenous. I am trying to keep clear the flow of electricity and the flow of the magnetic fields clear in my head.

Blazer where can I get a copy of, " The Birth of a New Technology ? " You mentioned

I am itching to build an EPG. Where is some information on , " a HOW-TO-BUILD  RUSS'S Coil Winder?

Russ: Are we only looking to generate Current or are we Producing Hydrogen and some other biproducts with the EPG?

Thanks for a wonderful Interactive Forum to Learn and work together in.

Cheers all  !
Martin

Here is all Stan's info. Everything you need to know is there. If you would like to study this information it would be good for you. There is no how to right now. But reading this information is going to help you a lot. Especially the dealership manual.

http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/stanley-meyers-wfc-tec/patents-documents/

Thanks, ~Russ

Also studdy the photos and information on these threds.

http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Stanley%20Meyer%20Original%20Data%20From%20Estate.zip


That's a huge file, let it download...

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 11th, 2012, 03:51 AM

so is the magnetic field spinning what way>
see attachment...

I think I've got an idea for that picture.
If you look at the picture you've got the "rotating axis". (That's looking straight down from above.)
The "dual orientation coils" are there to "spin" or rotate the individual pieces.

Firepinto was spot on in this video :D ... Min. 1:25-1:32

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndyeWrcvITA&feature=player_embedded

Although... it needs to look like figure 30 in the dealership manual.  I think, that's the way that one works.

So the name... makes sense. Lol
"magnetic field spin generator"
It is a generator by spinning the individual "magnets" by their magnetic fields.


Man, it's soo hard to keep straight what's spinning and what's not.  You've got  quantum spin, magnetic spin, spin polarization, spin this, spin that.... All of this makes my head spin! :D


Another thought...
what if this "magnetic field spin" is what stan uses to minimize Lenz's law... you aren't pushing it though the tube you're spinning the magnetic field.

So, maybe, the orientation coils are there to "spin the magentic particles"...

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 9th, 2012, 03:02 AM

Quote from Martinup on February 8th, 2012, 10:59 PM

Hi all:

After looking at that other patent briefly. I saw an auger. to create a spin. Just a thought but take a flat piece of copper just undersized of the to inside dimension of your copper tubing. You know how log your copper pipe is. Just remove one end of your loop and fish it throught the whole works.

Just thoughts to brainstorm off.

Martin
Hi again:
Pardon me I forgot to mention that you would twist it by holding one end in avise and spin it with a drill. It would have
to soft copper of course. As to the direction be it clock wise or counter clock wise, I am not sure which would be better.
Pehaps the direction of your windings outside the assembly would affect this.  It would never have been thought about because it couldn't be seen Just an idea.

Martin

i believe Stan refers to that also. but in a non copper way. plastic or something?

cool,

~Russ

What would be the ideal rate of twist for something like this?  Something like 1 turn in 1 inch, or 1 turn in 3 inches?  A complete turn for each pick up coil?  I may try something but the rate of twist might be in the 1 turn per 4 inch range...

Nate

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 10th, 2012, 11:03 AM

"Call it an identy crissis or maybe a mid life Crisis" I mean why shouldn't science be fun? HA HA"
I about died laughing when I got to this! :D

My gut reaction is that it doesn't matter what charge the copper pipe has. (maybe it does... *shrug*)
My best guess is that it's a spiralling plastic divider in the tubing.

I did a little diggin into linear induction motors and found this nice little tidbit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_induction_motor
"In this design of electric motor, the force is produced by a moving linear magnetic field acting on conductors in the field. Any conductor, be it a loop, a coil or simply a piece of plate metal, that is placed in this field will have eddy currents induced in it thus creating an opposing magnetic field, in accordance with Lenz's law. The two opposing fields will repel each other, thus creating motion as the magnetic field sweeps through the metal."

I'm starting to think... this is why it's a copper tube.
The pulsing coils induce a current (aka. eddy current) in the copper tube. which generates a magnetic field (lenz's law).  So, when you pulse the coils the fluid moves.

Thought:  That might be why stan put a didvider between the tubes.  to prevent these eddy currents from "jumping" to another tube.


Found some more fun little links related to electromagnetic pumps and what not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pump
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic_drive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MHD_generator

http://www.comsol.com/papers/9352/
http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/SimpleMHD
http://www.animatedsoftware.com/pumpglos/magnflux.htm

Hi Everybody:
 I tried to post twice early this morning to you but both times something didn't work so I’ll try again.

Glad you enjoyed the humor. I try and not take myself too seriously. I can grasp things better and we all need a good belly laugh.

Anyway thanks for the major study course on Magnetism. I am grateful for all the shared info from everyone who is posting.

With all the ground work in studying Stanley's patents, Russ’s Videos and all the other stuff from other people it makes it easy to see.
__________________________________________________________________
Check the sales manual page 38 to start. Then TWO DIAGRAMS IN PARTICULAR on page 92 in particular, “Rotational Deflection ", and “Balancing Fields" Diagrams.

On both pages ALL THE DIAGRAMS show reference the three parts. But they are mixed up a bit. IT’S RIGHT THERE PLAIN AS DAY:    2 Parts Hydrogen and 1 Part Oxygen. The Spiral divider is meant to separate or smash the water molecule.

From Russ’s video demonstrating the piece of iron going back and forth I believe in the Centre section of the EPG. Just think if a HELICAL SPIRAL REPLACED that piece of iron going BACK AND FORTH.  
WHAT IF IT WAS SOMEHOW FIXED so it couldn't move? Guess what the contents MIGHT MOVE.

But the interesting part is:
1) Where does the Oxygen go and or it's ELECTRON afterwards?

2) Where does the Hydrogen go and it's PROTON afterwards?

3) Where does the physical Hydrogen itself go afterwards?

I think that the EPG yields a boost in current or Voltage at minimal amperage  . . . OVERUNITY. ( Please Check me on my terminology guys, Did I say that right? )

At the same time Oxygen and Hydrogen are produced easily to be further processed in another device.

That is why I was asking everyone please label my diagram components on the above thumbnail on my earlier post the other day. I am trying to separate or identify the Electrics from the Magnetic fields

One other thing:
On that thumbnail I drew a Green circle.  .  . REMEMBER THE CONTENTS OF THE GREEN CIRCLE  are all changing position as they travel in at least ONE OR MORE DIRECTIONS down the NOW 3 SEPARRATE PASSAGES.

Isn't this where the contents of the three spiral passages are being pulsed? That pulsing circuit that everyone is working so hard on, (Looks Awesome Dudes) becomes so important. To be able to resonate, totally adjustable, ( Attenuable as Stan puts it),  to WATER Specifically.

I know there is something in RODIN’s mathematics that makes 3’s,   6's and 9's so important.

Also the, “Solfeggio Frequencies” are unique and special. Try typing in, "Holy Harmony" on, “YouTube”. As an aside John Hutchison was trying underwater speakers and experimenting cleaning up the oil spill down in Florida area. That Guy is one very intelligent fellow.
Thoughts or input welcomed and appreciated everyone.
Smiles  . . .  Martin

Water can be a gas...
Think of a tesla coil or kapanze (sp?) or some of the other things out there that have similar 'spiral copper configurations'. Some of those are melting pipe with NO residual heat because of frequency resonance of those rings; Spacing is VERY important for some of those to work.
I still think water is the 'magnet' in those tubes Russ. I think it needs to make the 'loop' more than once to get 'straightened out'... What frequency do you pulse those outer coils at to make the water (or whatever) move? That is what to discover (IMO).
I still don't think it is ferrofluid. Not sure that is a direction worth persuing mostly because it is too exotic and isn't it also toxic?
Maybe 'soft' water? (A small bit of Borax would add a little magnesium to your H2O and Mg and Cu are great 'friends' heh heh)
Take care Russ, have fun with that water heater, real life takes priority dude, we get it!
Cheers,

Derrick

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 11th, 2012, 11:15 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 11th, 2012, 11:10 AM

Quote from Martinup on February 11th, 2012, 05:31 AM

Thanks you for the good links above Ravenous. I am trying to keep clear the flow of electricity and the flow of the magnetic fields clear in my head.

Blazer where can I get a copy of, " The Birth of a New Technology ? " You mentioned

I am itching to build an EPG. Where is some information on , " a HOW-TO-BUILD  RUSS'S Coil Winder?

Russ: Are we only looking to generate Current or are we Producing Hydrogen and some other biproducts with the EPG?

Thanks for a wonderful Interactive Forum to Learn and work together in.

Cheers all  !
Martin

Here is all Stan's info. Everything you need to know is there. If you would like to study this information it would be good for you. There is no how to right now. But reading this information is going to help you a lot. Especially the dealership manual.

http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/stanley-meyers-wfc-tec/patents-documents/

Thanks, ~Russ

Also studdy the photos and information on these threds.

http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Stanley%20Meyer%20Original%20Data%20From%20Estate.zip


That's a huge file, let it download...

~Russ

Hi Russ and others:

Thanks again for the gold mine or resource knowledge. It is a gradual studying process that I am embarking upon I must Drill down and increase my knowledge as are others.
A suggestion to all is to somehow improve the overall site is as follows:
Later as each component is successfully proven to work and prove itself in, “a Working Prototype in Operation", would be to, " Literally to DUMB IT DOWN in an Overview ". Forget about all the deep technical information especially the electronics. Perhaps, “A short animation”, would do it. I know these things can take an enormous amount of work to put together but it would become viral on You Tube.
Something for, “A later To Do List. "

The overall idea is to stimulate interest at a High school grade level so that people can easily grasp it. Once someone is inspired in this manner I think they will naturally start asking all kinds of questions and dig in to whatever level they are comfortable with and pursue it ferociously.

Kids are really smart now a days and I feel they will take to this stuff like a fish to water. The environment you have already providing is excellent.

I am inspired . . . Kudos to you!
Cheers all!

Martin

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 11th, 2012, 12:15 PM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 11th, 2012, 03:51 AM

so is the magnetic field spinning what way>
see attachment...

I think I've got an idea for that picture.
If you look at the picture you've got the "rotating axis". (That's looking straight down from above.)
The "dual orientation coils" are there to "spin" or rotate the individual pieces.

Firepinto was spot on in this video :D ... Min. 1:25-1:32

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndyeWrcvITA&feature=player_embedded

Although... it needs to look like figure 30 in the dealership manual.  I think, that's the way that one works.

So the name... makes sense. Lol
"magnetic field spin generator"
It is a generator by spinning the individual "magnets" by their magnetic fields.


Man, it's soo hard to keep straight what's spinning and what's not.  You've got  quantum spin, magnetic spin, spin polarization, spin this, spin that.... All of this makes my head spin! :D


Another thought...
what if this "magnetic field spin" is what stan uses to minimize Lenz's law... you aren't pushing it though the tube you're spinning the magnetic field.

So, maybe, the orientation coils are there to "spin the magentic particles"...

lol I forgot I made that video.  Has anyone noticed or had problems with posts not showing up right away in the forums?  I swear these posts weren't here yesterday.  When I click on the green "latest post" arrow it takes me to the first page sometimes.  Even then after I scroll to the last page I couldnt find any new posts.:huh:

Nate

I watched Stan in a speech say the EPG would work underwater.  If you look the red pump it is a submersible pump. Would that pump not overheat if it operated out of a liquid coolant of some type? No cooling fins? Is that EPG designed to operate underwater?

I watched Stan in a speech say the EPG would work underwater.  If you look the red pump it is a submersible pump. Would that pump not overheat if it operated out of a liquid coolant of some type? No cooling fins? Is that EPG designed to operate underwater?

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 11th, 2012, 03:51 AM

Quote from Martinup on February 10th, 2012, 07:59 AM

Quote from Martinup on February 9th, 2012, 01:56 PM

Hi guys:
 I have some more to ad and am firing off what others are writting so her goes chek this out.

When I looked at some of your pictures of Stan's Tube Coils I noticed a green colour on the copper. In construction, ( as I do). when working with copper water lines and running them through a concrete floor or touching a piece of steel stud they wrapp the pipe with black electrical tape to prevent the two surfaces from touching. This stops the oxidation or green coloration.  Basically the pipe is corroding. When I first saw them I just thought it was something to do with the mounting brackets he used being steel. But what if the corrosion is something we want in this case: "Breaking down or oxidization."

Perhaps what Ravnenous mentioned about Iron being magnetic at room temps. Perhaps a  strip of tin something with iron in it. I also thought about the number of turns or twists in the Helix being inserted inside the copper tubeing, ( or non magnetic tubing ) and the relationship IT, "THE Helix or Spiral", has  with the windings and their spacing on the outside of the tubes.
It might be something to consider where and what length does this Helix need to be placed?:
1) in the Centre straight sections of copper pipe. . . OR    
2) In the out side of circular tubes.

I have SOOO much to learn about the electronics stuff you guys are playing with so I ask and differ to you guys to consider it. Thanks.

Other thoughts:
1) ASK YOURSELF : WHAT IS AND WOULD BE GOING ON INSIDE ALL OF THE TUBES ALL ALONG AND THROUGH EPG?

From one of Stanley's lectures I thought he said there were NO MOVING PARTS TO WARE OUT.  So what is flowing inside the EPG?
 
2) THIS LAST THOUGHT MIGHT BE THE MOST IMORTANT OR KEY: What if it was water inside the EPG?

When I look at the drawings of what Stanley has above, submitted above by Russ, you will notice that the spiral material was represented by 3 lines kind of like a star. I also noticed that he used a drafting board to draw on by hand. What might be missing is a well drawn representation of a three sided  helix in, "  In a Section Drawing.". Now picture what we know as what our DNA looks like. It is TWO STRANDED right? Now Picture the same thing ONLY WITH THREE STRANDS.

Now When Drawing, "in section", ie looking into the end of a copper tube: It is difficult to Draw by hand a THREE STRANDED HELIX because it is actually three dimensional. This would take several drawings and different sectional drwaings to show.

If you think about it this is an accellerator. Things happen when you spin something in an accelerator or a centrafuge.
Water molecules are being stretched, and twisted. Perhaps the oxygen and Hydrogen are being guided or forced into seperate paths at a choke point after they are spun around at a high speed, " Gravitational force" .  At which point they are forced through a choke point and, " SET INTO YET ANOITHER KIND OF A SPIRAL SPIN and Continueing on."

Picture yourself as being a three sided water molecule, "water". Your are being flung around in a LOOP DE LOOP that is charged by the outside with copper windings. If I was a water molecule subjected to this kind of treatment me and all my other water molecule buddies would tend to orient ourselves in s cetain way and hold on for dear life. It might take us three rotations to all orientate the same way. Speaking at a Microscopic level.

AND THEN BANG LOW and BEHOLD THIS Long and uncomfortable but kind of exilerating LOOP DE LOOP ride BECOMES EVEN MORE EXCITING because up ahead we have, "PERHAPS THREE FORKS IN THE ROAD TO CHOOSE FROM?
STANLEY MAKES REFERENECE TO A CHOKE POINT EXCITING MOLECULES: I don't know where.
REMEMBER  myself and my other H2O buddies are aligned in a certain orientation and having fun but somehow being strained.

AGAIN this Single  Tube Becomes Three tubes so to spesk. In a nano second I as an individual H2O Molecule along with all my other H2O BUDDIES GET REALLY CONFUSED:         We hit a wall So to speak. "Call it an identy crissis or maybe a mid life Crisis" I mean why shouldn't science be fun? HA HA

Anyway Back to the age old questions, "WHAT AM I ?  Who am I ? and What am I doing Here? What is my purpose and so on ? " . . . Being a Water molecule I have, a Split Personality Disoder to Begin With."  . . .  
Depending on temperature I can be many things:
1) Liquid
2) Vapour
3) Steam Perhaps that is the same as # 2
4) I can also be a Solid or ICE
5) If I am seperated from my indivdual molecular bonds I can also be 1 part Oxygen and 2 parts Hydrogen
6) At the Atomic Level I Have Electrons Neutrons and Protons etc.
 
Side Note to # 6: I read Some ones writing on Covlleant bonding and Moles of heat, mass etc. elsewhere in this forum.  What you where saying made a lot of sense although I got lost in the formulas.  So who ever are, forgive me for not remembering your name, and please jump back in and share your thoughts and knowledge again.

Back to Me and My H2O Buddies who are are at this point loosing our ability to keep it together so to speak ( covallent bonding ). We are now back at the centre straight sections of the EPG. Question? : At his point are we being bit by a pulse or some other kind of an electrical charge?
If you where a water molecule being orientated  earlier on THE LOOP DE LOOP RIDE what way would you naturally oreintate? Consider the outer windings of the three outsider circular tube sections and what they are causing us to do?
Now me and all my other H2O buddies are being subjected to some other electrical or magnetic field. At This time all orientated in the same way and perhaps traveling faster . . . OR MAYBE NOT. Instantly we are split apart and altered in some way, " EITHER 1)  MOLECULARLY IN TO 2 PARTS HYDROGEN AND ONE PART OXYGEN? . . . OR  2) SOME OF OUR ELECTRONS ARE TAKEN FROM US? 3) OR BOTH?
 
What is H2O ?   . . . Two parts Hydrogen and One part oxygen. Given that Stanleys sytsem has multiple components doing various things to water a long a route as per the LED light spark plug thingy. Ha Ha!  I am  starting to loose even myself in this .

Gentlemen at this point I  am not sure if what I just wrote makes any sense. In following along and reading everyones input and their teachings Stanley seems to appear to me to be doing things to water on many levels:
1) Electrically charging it?
2) Polarizing it?
3) Magnitizing it?
4) Exposing it to gravity
5) Exposing it to light
6) Reintroducing Ambient air and Exhaust From Previous ignitions and  
7) Reintroducing or recombining them at various states all back together into the combustion chamber of a gas engine and igniting them.

All of the above with one goal in mind to extract large amounts of energy to do work.

At this point I am way beyond depth of knowlwedge. I have to personally go and learn an enormous and yet basic stuff about electronicly controlling all of these variables in a set order and time sequences.

Forgive me If I repeated or restated or confused what other people have been trying grasp and refine. I am trying to wrapp my head around what and exactly how Stanley did what he did.

I hope these ideas help trigger someone more knowledgable to apply it in relation to what you are building.

It comes from reading and trying to grasp and comprehend the results of your experiments.

So keep up the good work everyone. Thanks for stimulating my brain cells,

Martin

see my attached sketch,

Compare this sketch with: Page 38 of the, "Stan Meyer Dealership Sales Manual 1986"
                              Also: Page 92 of the, " Stan Meyer Dealership Sales Manual 1986 "    
 
Electrically speaking apply labels to my above thumbnail:
I am asking for someones help review my thinking here to:

1) Label, " What charge is the copper pipe? "  . . . + ?
2) Label, " What charge is the spiral divider? ". . .  - ?
3) If the lets say," AN IRON Spiral Divider",  was used? Would it be touching the inner surface of the copper pipe OR SOMEHOW SUSPENDED OR INSULATED from it?
In other words it would form a water and gas tight seal creating , THREE SEPPERATE SPIRAL TUBES from the previous piping, "  one copper tube".
3) Would the Water Molecules be the Nuetral JUST BEFORE THEY COME TO THIS SECTION OF PIPE? From this point on, " COULD they become 2 PARTS HYDROGEN AND 1 PART OXYGEN ?"

so is the magnetic field spinning what way>
see attachment...

Russ:
I looked at your attach bit map and understand your question.

Answer: Picture the five Olympic rings. For now just take two of them and throw them away.
A) Now you have tree rings left of which you would enlarge. Call it the centre ring.
    This larger centre ring would represent the coil of wire you wrapped around the
     outer copper tube.

B) Remember I have also proposed within this, “Center Ring",  THREE INDIVIDUAL
    SEPERATE and SPIRALLED Passage Ways", within this center copper tube.

 Side note: I think this is only water molecules flowing through all these pipes.

C) The coils have electricity flowing through the wires. I THINK Protons (+) flow to
    (-). (Guys check me on this stuff. I don't know this stuff? )

D) Now these, “OUTER TWO RINGS " represent Magnetic Polarity or Fields of
     Magnetism.

SO THE ANSWER is: The NORTH and SOUTH POLES, "Polarity" would be dependant
                               upon the Direction of the WOUND WIRES, and Which end is
                               POSITIVE and which end is Negative.

E)  One last thing that makes it even more complex . . .  Now Visualize The
     Oxygen and Hydrogen ATOMS AT THE MICROSCOPIC LEVEL:
     They also have electrons an protons all spinning around.  I think you got all
     this when you commented on how hard it was to keep track of all the stuff
     spinning around in one of your other posts.

The only way to represent all of this is with a, " Three Dimensional Drawing ", showing an exploded view of everything and colored lines representing direction of spin, charge and polarity and other information.

I can see it in my mind but I am not able to use a good program like, " Solid Works 3D ", to better represent it. I will try and draw it by hand on some thumbnails later this week.

Cheers,
Martin

Ps. I noticed some of my postings were being delayed in coming up. But now I see thanks to the Site Administrator they are now up.

Quote from firepinto on February 11th, 2012, 09:19 PM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 9th, 2012, 03:02 AM

Quote from Martinup on February 8th, 2012, 10:59 PM

Hi all:

After looking at that other patent briefly. I saw an auger. to create a spin. Just a thought but take a flat piece of copper just undersized of the to inside dimension of your copper tubing. You know how log your copper pipe is. Just remove one end of your loop and fish it throught the whole works.

Just thoughts to brainstorm off.

Martin
Hi again:
Pardon me I forgot to mention that you would twist it by holding one end in avise and spin it with a drill. It would have
to soft copper of course. As to the direction be it clock wise or counter clock wise, I am not sure which would be better.
Pehaps the direction of your windings outside the assembly would affect this.  It would never have been thought about because it couldn't be seen Just an idea.

Martin

i believe Stan refers to that also. but in a non copper way. plastic or something?

cool,

~Russ

What would be the ideal rate of twist for something like this?  Something like 1 turn in 1 inch, or 1 turn in 3 inches?  A complete turn for each pick up coil?  I may try something but the rate of twist might be in the 1 turn per 4 inch range...

Nate

I'm not sure .

Martin

Martin,
Let me see if I understand what you're saying... (forums are a pain sometimes... especially when you're trying to explain something that needs to be done graphically :D)
Are you saying the water molecule will be attracted to the sides of the tube? due to the way the "orientation coils" or "pick-up coils" are wound?

Let me throw you a curve ball and derail you from your destination. :)
Stan gives 5 ways with which to "overcome emf opposition" (ways to attenuate a gas-field)
1) Horizontal deflection
2) Vertical deflection
3) Rotational deflection
4) Compressional wave
5) Field balancing

Stan says to compare figure 33 and 26a... okay, big deal.  33 is just an EPG...
26a just shows the above 5 items.

If you jump to page 98 in the PDF under "EPG: ATTENUATTING GAS-FIELD" Stan states:
"To spin the moving gas along the longitudinal axis without mechanical displacement, a multi-channel 'spiral divider' is inserted in the entire length of the tubular 'pathway' beyond the gas accelerator stage."

Which graphic has a "Spiral Divider"?
Wait! What?! :)
The spiral divider IS the coiled tubing! :D

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 12th, 2012, 04:25 PM

Which graphic has a "Spiral Divider"?
Wait! What?! :)
The spiral divider IS the coiled tubing! :D

Well just in case it isn't the coiled tubing, I came up with this:

http://www.open-source-energy.org/?tid=361

Might work, might not. :)

Nate

Quote from firepinto on February 12th, 2012, 06:49 PM

Might work, might not. :)

Only one way to find out.  :D

Quote from firepinto on February 12th, 2012, 06:49 PM

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 12th, 2012, 04:25 PM

Which graphic has a "Spiral Divider"?
Wait! What?! :)
The spiral divider IS the coiled tubing! :D

Well just in case it isn't the coiled tubing, I came up with this:

http://www.open-source-energy.org/?tid=361

Might work, might not. :)

Nate

Wow Nate that looks great. An exellant graphic. Thank you.

I woke up this morning and the thought occured to me that a steel drill bit is almost what we are looking for. But typically they are made with only two flutes and not three.
So I googled drill bit manufactures and low and behold they have what is called  THREE FLUTED Drll bits in all different sizes.
Kind of what you drew. . . but different. They  also can be made of Stainless Steel, Iron  and even Platinum. The Magnetic characteristic of these three matals may be differrent.

This reminded of the Guy who is selling the smack booster. He has now developed a new Cell using Titanium for his flat Cell Plates. Apparrently he claims this produces more better quality, (dryer),  Hydrogen.

I was thinking that the spiral would only need to be in the centre section of the centre piece or Approximately 10" long. I was also wondering if this centre spiral should be touching or in full contact with the inside of the Copper tubing. I other
words do you want it to be conducting electricity or just the magnetic field generated by the coils being pulsed on the outside.

So perhaps to deal with this a rubber sleave could be placed around the spiral and then inserted in the copper tube.

Anyway I emailed one manufacturer and asked for hopefully afree donation or at least a few pieces to play around with.

I'll let you know the results. Perhaps I can get one set sent to Russ to try out and see what happens.

Cheers all,

Martin

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 12th, 2012, 04:25 PM

Martin,
Let me see if I understand what you're saying... (forums are a pain sometimes... especially when you're trying to explain something that needs to be done graphically :D)
Are you saying the water molecule will be attracted to the sides of the tube? due to the way the "orientation coils" or "pick-up coils" are wound?

Let me throw you a curve ball and derail you from your destination. :)
Stan gives 5 ways with which to "overcome emf opposition" (ways to attenuate a gas-field)
1) Horizontal deflection
2) Vertical deflection
3) Rotational deflection
4) Compressional wave
5) Field balancing

Stan says to compare figure 33 and 26a... okay, big deal.  33 is just an EPG...
26a just shows the above 5 items.

If you jump to page 98 in the PDF under "EPG: ATTENUATTING GAS-FIELD" Stan states:
"To spin the moving gas along the longitudinal axis without mechanical displacement, a multi-channel 'spiral divider' is inserted in the entire length of the tubular 'pathway' beyond the gas accelerator stage."

Which graphic has a "Spiral Divider"?
Wait! What?! :)
The spiral divider IS the coiled tubing! :D

Check page 92 of the,  "Sales Manual" mid page it says Rotational Deflection. The three thing is stuck in my brain. TWO PARTS HYDROGEN AND ONE PART OXYGEN. All the electrons, protons, nutrons and  current flow and magnetism is to weeken everything up so it seperates the water molecule and yeilds a hydrogen and ups the electrical output. . .  I think voltage but i'm not sure.

Cheers martin

Lol! this whole conversation is making my head spin. :D
Ok, so... essentially you're saying that the EPG is a 2-in-1 system?  Have I got that right?

1) it preforms the Electrical Polarization Process, AND
2) is an electrical generator. (similar to an alternator)

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 13th, 2012, 09:45 AM

Lol! this whole conversation is making my head spin. :D
Ok, so... essentially you're saying that the EPG is a 2-in-1 system?  Have I got that right?

1) it preforms the Electrical Polarization Process, AND
2) is an electrical generator. (similar to an alternator)

Yes I think so. His patents of the EPG I gather he had two . . . the one without the pump is the one that i feel requires the spiral seperator and only in the straight section.

If you can find an, " off the shelf spiral like a drill bit" that is around 10" long with three seperate spiral flutes then we could insert it into the pipe. A snug fit would produce three seperate spiral passage ways for things to tumble around in.

I am hoping that The Water Molecules going around the out side 3 sections of Copper tubing would be a preliminary preperation for where the, "REAL ACTION OCCURS", In the,  "Centre Staight Single Section of Pipe", Whjich by the way is close to the end of the device.  

If the Pulsing causes the molecules to go back and forth the Molecules would be bumping into each other and perhaps glom on to each other ( in essence create Hydrogen bubbles . . . and some how be forced out other end given that Hydrogen bubbles up throught water being different than oxygen.

 This evacuation of Hydrogen particles might cause a suction and pull the other water molecules through the system
Just a thought I could be wrong.

What spiral material it is made from will I think as you mentioned Iron ( being Naturally magnetic ) it would interact with the coils wrapped around the outside, "OF ONLY THE STRAIGHT SECTION OF COPPER PIPE",  to create a magnetic current which will affect the bonding of the electrons and hence all the molecules inside the Straight Tube. These particular coils are wired up to some different Circuts than that of the OUTER CIRCULAR COPPER Tubes?

I am trying Acklands Grainger to find a,  "THREE FLUTED DRILL BIT",  to send to Russ to play around with. They have what is called an End Mill But they come In Two and Four Fluted combinations and are TOO Short.

Perhaps something else will work but I don't know?


Any Thoughts,

Cheers,

Martin

Quote from Martinup on February 13th, 2012, 07:18 AM

Quote from firepinto on February 12th, 2012, 06:49 PM

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 12th, 2012, 04:25 PM

Which graphic has a "Spiral Divider"?
Wait! What?! :)
The spiral divider IS the coiled tubing! :D

Well just in case it isn't the coiled tubing, I came up with this:

http://www.open-source-energy.org/?tid=361

Might work, might not. :)

Nate

Wow Nate that looks great. An exellant graphic. Thank you.

I woke up this morning and the thought occured to me that a steel drill bit is almost what we are looking for. But typically they are made with only two flutes and not three.
So I googled drill bit manufactures and low and behold they have what is called  THREE FLUTED Drll bits in all different sizes.
Kind of what you drew. . . but different. They  also can be made of Stainless Steel, Iron  and even Platinum. The Magnetic characteristic of these three matals may be differrent.

This reminded of the Guy who is selling the smack booster. He has now developed a new Cell using Titanium for his flat Cell Plates. Apparrently he claims this produces more better quality, (dryer),  Hydrogen.

I was thinking that the spiral would only need to be in the centre section of the centre piece or Approximately 10" long. I was also wondering if this centre spiral should be touching or in full contact with the inside of the Copper tubing. I other
words do you want it to be conducting electricity or just the magnetic field generated by the coils being pulsed on the outside.

So perhaps to deal with this a rubber sleave could be placed around the spiral and then inserted in the copper tube.

Anyway I emailed one manufacturer and asked for hopefully afree donation or at least a few pieces to play around with.

I'll let you know the results. Perhaps I can get one set sent to Russ to try out and see what happens.

Cheers all,

Martin

Thanks Martin,
I'll be trying to print it and make it more than just a graphic. :)  I'm familiar with Smack,  I have one of his stainless dry cells.  :-) I need to reassemble it, I over pressurized it and forced out some of the gaskets.  (dumb mistake)

Nate

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I am trying Acklands Grainger to find a,  "THREE FLUTED DRILL BIT",  to send to Russ to play around with. They have what is called an End Mill But they come In Two and Four Fluted combinations and are TOO Short.

Perhaps something else will work but I don't know?

what about a plastic divider of some sort? i bet some one makes something like this...??


~Russ

Quote from BaronBassman on February 12th, 2012, 08:26 AM

Water can be a gas...
Think of a tesla coil or kapanze (sp?) or some of the other things out there that have similar 'spiral copper configurations'. Some of those are melting pipe with NO residual heat because of frequency resonance of those rings; Spacing is VERY important for some of those to work.
I still think water is the 'magnet' in those tubes Russ. I think it needs to make the 'loop' more than once to get 'straightened out'... What frequency do you pulse those outer coils at to make the water (or whatever) move? That is what to discover (IMO).
I still don't think it is ferrofluid. Not sure that is a direction worth persuing mostly because it is too exotic and isn't it also toxic?
Maybe 'soft' water? (A small bit of Borax would add a little magnesium to your H2O and Mg and Cu are great 'friends' heh heh)
Take care Russ, have fun with that water heater, real life takes priority dude, we get it!
Cheers,

Derrick

hey Derrick,  i have been playing with ferrofluid, this is not the fluid... its not permanently magnetized, and the magnetic flux only goes about 1" in to the  ferrofluid. i posted some videos on my tests on that one. i think its in this thread.

also threw ionization we can make any compound... this is what Stan was saying. and yes the water or argon and iron ions is the gas in side the EPG i feel.
 
water heater is rockin! thanks!!

good to here from ya!

~Russ

Quote from Martinup on February 13th, 2012, 09:35 AM

Quote from Ravenous Emu on February 12th, 2012, 04:25 PM

Martin,
Let me see if I understand what you're saying... (forums are a pain sometimes... especially when you're trying to explain something that needs to be done graphically :D)
Are you saying the water molecule will be attracted to the sides of the tube? due to the way the "orientation coils" or "pick-up coils" are wound?

Let me throw you a curve ball and derail you from your destination. :)
Stan gives 5 ways with which to "overcome emf opposition" (ways to attenuate a gas-field)
1) Horizontal deflection
2) Vertical deflection
3) Rotational deflection
4) Compressional wave
5) Field balancing

Stan says to compare figure 33 and 26a... okay, big deal.  33 is just an EPG...
26a just shows the above 5 items.

If you jump to page 98 in the PDF under "EPG: ATTENUATTING GAS-FIELD" Stan states:
"To spin the moving gas along the longitudinal axis without mechanical displacement, a multi-channel 'spiral divider' is inserted in the entire length of the tubular 'pathway' beyond the gas accelerator stage."

Which graphic has a "Spiral Divider"?
Wait! What?! :)
The spiral divider IS the coiled tubing! :D

Check page 92 of the,  "Sales Manual" mid page it says Rotational Deflection. The three thing is stuck in my brain. TWO PARTS HYDROGEN AND ONE PART OXYGEN. All the electrons, protons, nutrons and  current flow and magnetism is to weeken everything up so it seperates the water molecule and yeilds a hydrogen and ups the electrical output. . .  I think voltage but i'm not sure.

Cheers martin

You guys are right . . .  this stuff does make your head spin . . . mine too. On the diagram 26A for , "Rotational Field" Why did he draw the spiral divider in, " A Circle represented by 360  degrees . . . OF WHICH EACH THIRD is represented by 120 degrees. The one thing that I noticed from most of his , TUBE COIL LAYOUTS, is they are NOT POSITIONED  in this, "120 Degree Quadrant Configuration, " Please Notice THEY are STACKED or SIDE by SIDE.

I am reading, “The Birth of a new technology"  . . . for me this will take about 5 times to absorb and understand it. Even so far for what I've read Stan make mention of the disassociated Atoms being used to bombard each other.

I am just reaching here but Try and picture to Baseball pitchers each throwing a curve ball at each other. The goal is for both balls to hit each other and take a piece off each other's ball.

The balls are tight round and smooth, accept the stitching, (the weakest link)  and therefore it would take a perfectly placed and a tremendous force; perhaps repeated many, many times to achieve any kind of ware on either ball.

In order to help with this process Some Other External Tugging Force in other directions, (i.e. the pulsing of the outer coils outside the tubes), to Pull Pieces Off Each Ball.

That is why I am suggesting placing something inside the copper tube TO CREATE SPIN and TO Create Perhaps a Magnetic Pull. The Electrons must be spinning extremely fast. The Reason for The Spin Might Be to Rotate The Hydrogen and Oxygen Molecules , IN Order For The external Attraction To Get a Grip in just the right place at the right time . . . and  Make A Contact With AN Individual Attraction or Connection . . .  and thereby pulling that electron away.

Has anyone been able to see if water moves in EPG without any additional parts added?

My idea might be totally wrong but until it is tried with a few different variables there is no way to know. So keep on shooting holes in it and I will keep on trying to at least merit some further consideration. That is what Brainstorming is. I am still looking for some kind of, Three Fluted Helical Spiral Material. Are there any thoughts on how to make it?

Cheers all

What I'm sorta curious about, is this:

Water is polar. In other words.  It has a partial negative and positive charge (chemistry class was good for something :D).  This is why you're able to do the Electrical Polarization Process.

What if, as martin has said, you had water in the EPG?  It has a "North" and a "South" pole (due to it being polar).
Would it react the same way as a regular ferrofluid?  My assumption is to say no... but hey, that's why we're experimenting :)

Never mined on that move guys... keep at it :) ~Russ

I'm still not seeing the latest posts in this thread :huh:  Not till I reply.