The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017

SqueezingSparks

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #950, on January 26th, 2018, 05:03 PM »Last edited on January 26th, 2018, 05:08 PM
Quote from ~Russ on January 25th, 2018, 10:46 AM
Thanks for the feed back. 

Heres one for you...

Chew on that for a little bit. ;)

Yellow is batt voltage.  Up is higher,  down is lower.

Blue is current from the battery,  up is going to the coil, down is coming from the coil.

People is voltage at the coil. 

~Russ
I'm going to guess that your observation of a bunch of negative battery current spikes apparently showing more current flowing into the battery than out of the battery is leading you to conclude that the battery is being recharged.  These things need to be investigated in more detail and you do not want to have confirmation bias clouding your thinking.

I can't explain the waveform because I don't have all of the information but I can share some thoughts with you.  From the scope shot we are looking at a single fire pulse on the commutator.  If you ignore the spikes for a second, the battery current seems to be flat-lined which seems strange.  If I assume that the time constant for the coil is 150 milliseconds and we are looking a roughly 33 millisecond fire pulse, we should see the current through the coil rising.  So that seems unusual.  But the main observation is that we see all these spikes on two waveforms during the commutator fire pulse and you are at four milliseconds per division.  To me that strongly suggests that the commutator is not as smooth as you would like and the connection is being broken whenever you see a spike.  Every time the connection breaks the coil spasms and outputs high voltage and you get spark plasma.   So my guess would be that the spikes you see on the battery voltage and the battery current are simply due to capacitive and/or transformer coupling from the voltage spikes from the coil.  In other words, the spikes aren't really there, they are just an artifact from the voltage spiking of the coil due to the roughness of the commutator.  And to throw a monkey wrench into the mix, you are saying that the purple is the coil voltage.  So that doesn't jive with me saying that the coil is spiking.  The bottom line is that a simplified schematic with probe positioning would help greatly in solving this little mystery.

However, if I was a betting man I would bet that the observed spikes are from commutator disconnects during the fire pulse making the coil generate voltage spikes which are coupling to your probe channels and disturbing their measurements.

talisman

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #951, on January 26th, 2018, 05:19 PM »

JB
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Converts matter into energy? You mean matter transforms that amount of energy? Matter is not converted into energy.
dictionary:

Matter:
 
physical substance in general, as distinct from mind and spirit; (in physics) that which occupies space and possesses rest mass, especially as distinct from energy.

Mass:

a coherent, typically large body of matter with no definite shape.

Measured in SI    as    kilograms of weight

Cycle:
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That's proof that the quantum vacuum exists, and proof of E2 = p2c2 + m2c4.
Einstiens  theory is now a proof?

http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae85.cfm
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The expression E = mc2 is the rest energy of an object of rest mass m. In motion, the object's total energy is a sum of its rest energy and its kinetic energy. That is

 E = [(p2c2) + m2c4]1/2

 where p is the object's momentum. You get this more general equation for energy using something called the momentum-energy 4-vector, which you will learn more about if you study special relativity. The 4 vector contains four components: three spatial components of momentum and one time component of momentum. E is just the magnitude of this vector. If you square both sides of the equation, you get:

 E2 = (p2c2) + (m2c4).

 Notice that you get E2 = m2c4 if the object has zero momentum; that is, if the object is at rest.

Answered by: Philip Zell, Ph.D. Physics, ACT, Inc.

The 2 equations:

 a. E=mc2
 b. E2 = m2c4

 differ only if there is a physical meaning to negative mass and/or energy values. In a. a negative mass value implies a negative energy value only. In b. the same negative mass value has both negative and positive energy solutions. Also, b. allows for both positive and negative solutions for energy even if mass is positive.

 Whether negative mass and energy values have any useful connection to reality is another question.


Answered by: Paul Walorski, A.B.Physics

Cycle

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #952, on January 26th, 2018, 05:26 PM »Last edited on January 26th, 2018, 05:38 PM by Cycle
Quote from talisman on January 26th, 2018, 05:19 PM
Einstiens  theory is now a proof?
No, Einstein's equation has (yet again) been proven to be correct... empirically.Mr. Paul Walorski should brush up on his physics. E2 = p2c2 + m2c4, while it can be used for negative energy (which exists... gravity is a negative potential, for instance) and negative effective mass (which exists... in the laboratory), it was originally conceived to take into account both massive and massless entities, tying together energy and matter as merely different forms of the same thing.

jbignes5

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #953, on January 26th, 2018, 06:38 PM »Last edited on January 26th, 2018, 06:58 PM
I told you the basic word Plasma was deviated from what it originally floated or coined as. This is where we must go back and use the definition from when it was coined for this phenomena. I do not wish to distract from this thread any further. Please try to keep it to this device for the time being.

 I am not contradicting myself. I am attempting to redefine it back to the original understanding. It is the conductor of space. For now that is all we need to know. Plus it is polar meaning it can reform into two different fields and gradients of both or mixed fields bound fields halves. The full shape is toroidal probably in my best guess. Circular. That is why our solar system has a plane. It is polarized space with a mixture level in between. Matter resides on the skin layer where the mixing is good. Density is higher.

 I posted a diagram I am waiting to hear input on. Of course in Russ's case he is approaching the coil from the side which polarizes the devices output. It step charges the coil and discharges back into the batteries on the second half of the cycle.

 A bit different between the two methods. One is unipolar for the first half of the cycle and the second half flips and discharges back into the batteries via pulses. 10 per half cycle right?

 The center lined magnet and coil uses a different method to pump the coil.

 From the solar system view this might help some in understanding the mechanics behind it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCuNrtHxTU
 

jbignes5

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #954, on January 26th, 2018, 06:49 PM »Last edited on January 26th, 2018, 08:03 PM
 Russ do you have any comment over the schematic I drew of the motor?

 Does the signal look right between (Time T) and (Time T2)?

 Remember your video.. Time T are the time markings for polarities of the coil being generated in the coil halves. Left and right being at the same time because of the travel of the magnet across the wires in the coil. The upper right shows the polarity of the coil on that side only. Each loop would feel both positive and negative fields and generate that polarity on that side. The current would flow evenly from one side then the other, right? as the magnet rotated in the coil, right?... Remember the loops of the coil has a corkscrew like effect. This should pump current pretty good, right after the initial power cycle half?
 Keep in mind momentum and how a coil resists changes to current flow. How does it resist.. It converts it into voltage right? The momentum carries it through the second half and you can get a bit more out of it because it is rotating and helping itself when the commutator flips in your case.

talisman

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #955, on January 26th, 2018, 08:21 PM »

Cycle:
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tying together energy and matter as merely different forms of the same thing.
Volts are potential so pure amp would be pure energy. Volts have motion but little work to do until they are opposed.
Yet they must have energy. They are covariant decoupled volts to resistance similar as amps to magnetism.

The idea is objects of mass have an energy at rest with E=MC^2 that is to say real material internal kinetic physical energy.

With any acceleration of the same object via balance of forces in relation to all other physical mass objects there is a gain in aggregate energy with the expanded equation.   


talisman

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #956, on January 26th, 2018, 08:35 PM »

We have to take the parts of any universal model that will help us. We adjust keeping the model and hypothesis in mind by
making bench observations in the physical reality part of it. In so much as the engineering of the device conforms to the model,

whoop de do.

If we are getting the results and innovation we want. If our observation and conclusions lean toward strengthening a model
we need to see that in reality. If we have a good but unusual result we modify accordingly to shape the progress of a functional
prototype.
   

Ragnor

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #957, on January 26th, 2018, 09:29 PM »Last edited on January 26th, 2018, 09:34 PM
 OK, I don't know anything about Newman. I'll have to watch the video and read the book. However, especially while watching the most recent video (part 14). many of the things that seamed to have been unexpected can be fully explained by this book.
Uncovering the missing secrets of magnetism
 There is also a youtube channel for the same

Super important stuff on magnetism
The single wire though, that got me. I'm gonna have to think on that.
It took me several months to absorb all the information in this guys video series, but it took him 20 years to figure it out, so that aint too bad I think.

 Is this even the right spot for the video series comments? I thought it was called somthing else......

Cycle

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #958, on January 26th, 2018, 09:33 PM »
Quote from jbignes5 on January 26th, 2018, 06:38 PM
I told you the basic word Plasma was deviated from what it originally floated or coined as. This is where we must go back and use the definition from when it was coined for this phenomena. I do not wish to distract from this thread any further. Please try to keep it to this device for the time being.
Yes, yes... Nature Volume 233, 17 Sep 1971, Page 219... you'll note that Mott-Smith (and Langmuir, whom he was talking about in that letter to Nature) was referring to plasma as in "electrical discharge", not plasma as in "the universe-permeating substrate of space-time". So yet again, you're misinterpreting things.

Cycle

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #959, on January 26th, 2018, 09:36 PM »
Quote from Ragnor on January 26th, 2018, 09:29 PM
OK, I don't know anything about Newman. I'll have to watch the video and read the book. However, especially while watching the most recent video. many of the things that seamed to have been unexpected can be fully explained by this book.
Uncovering the missing secrets of magnetism
Not much can be explained by Mr. Wheeler... he uses twisted verbiage consisting of redefinition, filled with contradictions, while attempting to take credit for the discoveries of others, some of which happened hundreds of years ago. If you're up to it, you might check out my posts debunking Mr. Wheeler's take on... everything.

Let's do keep this most-important thread constrained to reality, shall we?

~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #960, on January 26th, 2018, 10:22 PM »Last edited on January 26th, 2018, 10:55 PM
Quote from Ragnor on January 26th, 2018, 09:29 PM
OK, I don't know anything about Newman. I'll have to watch the video and read the book. However, especially while watching the most recent video. many of the things that seamed to have been unexpected can be fully explained by this book.
Uncovering the missing secrets of magnetism
Quote from Cycle on January 26th, 2018, 09:36 PM
Not much can be explained by Mr. Wheeler... he uses twisted verbiage consisting of redefinition, filled with contradictions, while attempting to take credit for the discoveries of others, some of which happened hundreds of years ago. If you're up to it, you might check out my posts debunking Mr. Wheeler's take on... everything.

Let's do keep this most-important thread constrained to reality, shall we?
i really dont want to say anything here... however i will say one thing.

on a personal level. I'm not fond of Mr. Wheeler. if he brings us new and good info, he dose it in a way that's so displeasing to watch that i can even watch.

Mostly due to some FACTS that cycle has posted about above.

With that said. any comments about Mr. Wheeler i cant respond to. ( i did watch most of what he posted when he was posting it, so i do know a lot about what he is saying...)

Its unfortunate to be hoist. and i never wanted to say this in public because that's not how i am, but yes, the things he dose bother me. ( Greed, Ego, taking credit for others work) so with that said.

Ill just keep posting what i know and the things we discover here on this mission of new man...

feel free to post your thoughts on Mr. Wheeler in a different thread. as i feel its the best thing to do. sorry if i come across rude. its just not helpful to play with a non team player.

Back to Newman for now for me:

Here are my findings of the day. We are close to fully understanding the Newman Motor as Newman first saw it. purely mechanical.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3jg70SQjX0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIgPF8VemRs

we now know the next step for the timing. & its very clear why we need to do what we need to do.

Next is fast switching as we are on the fire cycle. or just make bad brush contacts... Its still important to be past the velocity factor. (2.22khz for this Richards coil)

and the RF will come back in to play after we nail down this part...

can some one calculate the inductance from the di/dt and dv/dt from slides tke0004 and tek005? ( 63% of the fully charge time)

Data and notes are HERE

~Russ


~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #961, on January 26th, 2018, 10:32 PM »Last edited on January 26th, 2018, 10:35 PM
I do rather love seeing that negative sign.

Matt, you got that check book ready? I'm getting closer every day...

hehe..

~Russ

onepower

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #962, on January 26th, 2018, 10:57 PM »
jbignes
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See What I can not understand is that people keep referring to electrons. The electron is a measurement only. A mathematical construct to quantify a negative energy. It is not real. Hence why I can not agree on that point. What is real is Plasma, whatever that may be, it seems to have a structure that allows for it to change density based on the electric potential around that plasma. For the most part the plasma I am talking about is a dark mode plasma until it is excited in either polarity.
Plasma is no more or less real than electrons are more or less real because both are not something but a condition of something. In fact everything we have ever known is a "measure" of something and just because we can see plasma does not mean something else which can only see in a narrow spectrum would see nothing. If there are no electrons then there is no plasma for the same reasons.

As well there is no such thing as "negative" energy or negative electricity and what we call "something" as a form of notation is a condition of something we call a measure ie (ascertain the size, amount, or degree of something). Why not say a red apple is negative and a green apple is  positive therefore they are nothing alike despite the fact they are both apples?. Not unlike the twisted notion that the color of a man's skin somehow makes them less of a man and if I tinted someone's skin another color then apparently they have magically become something else.

You see the problem was never physics per se but perception and we still carry a great deal of psychological baggage with us from the dark ages. You know... burn the witch, burn the witch kind of nonsense only today it is more subtle. The cure for this ailment is critical thinking.

I like this one...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)
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Unlike the other three states, solid, liquid, and gas, plasma does not exist freely on the Earth's surface under normal conditions
Does the word lightning striking 100 times per second ring a bell or perhaps static electricity found everywhere in nature forming a low level plasma everywhere on the planet?. Maybe the potential gradient rising at 100v/m around this planet and in fact I would go far as to say plasma is the most predominant force in nature.

These people are like fish swimming around in the ocean oblivious to the water and dying of thirst.

The construct is very simple... there is no nothing and everything is something be it matter or Energy or EM waves. Thus every region having a higher energy state acts outward coupling with everything else in the universe at a lower energy state. What seems to be missing in my opinion is a question often asked in grade school... what is Energy and what does it represent conceptually?. When you find the answer I am sure everything will make much more sense.


Ragnor

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #963, on January 26th, 2018, 11:34 PM »
 Well I watched the video on Newman, sad story. I think it's kind of a shame to think that people would ignore valid information because it does not suit they're delicate sensibilities. I think allot of times it's just important to accept people for who they are and not judge them too harshly. Anyway. I hope you get the results you are looking for. As I recall I heard someone say recently that "we all stand on the shoulders of giants" or something like that.

Cycle

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #964, on January 27th, 2018, 12:32 AM »
Quote from onepower on January 26th, 2018, 10:57 PM
I would go far as to say plasma is the most predominant force in nature.
You would be correct in this assessment. Consider every single star... each one making up the great majority of the mass in its solar system, each one consisting wholly of plasma.

Plasma is the most abundant phase of matter in the universe.

~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #965, on January 27th, 2018, 07:07 AM »
More info on the attachment for. Post number 936

As well as the post 960

Yellow trace = battery voltage (close up)
Blue trace = current on negative to batt
Pink = voltage at coil. (Full scale)

What your seeing is the voltage and current dipping on fire then going in reverse. (Current flowing from the batt to the coil for a short pulse(s) , then flowing from The coil to the battery for the rest of the fire pulse..)

In this test I had the battery connected and i was spinning the rotor by hand, the result is that when the magent is passing the coil, it is inducing current and voltage greater than the applyed. There for current flowing to the battery. This works for 110v pack. I need to test higher voltages still for this same result. (All adding in mechanical and eleteical output)

You can see the spikes due to poor brush contact. This is good for this system as the short pulses above 2.22khz should result in faster than the velocity factor for current flow...

I have carried out tests to conferm the result with out a dought. This is the "pure mechanical interaction " that newmans theory describes. We understand the basics of his workings. With this new clarity we now know how to select the starting point for the new comutator. Its the same as what we are using, but with only one cycle of pulses per 1/2 cycle. (Gap 35 degree, fire 110 degree, short 35 degree, each having 5 degree spacing so it dose not short out) (Later adding the fast pulsing as more understanding is had about the RF and current flow/ velocity factor)

The entire idea of this mechanical advantage requires very good magnetic flux Coupling a designs. However now that we have a much better understanding on the bench what we are looking for and how the tuning works we can test this petecular part of the system alot better.

So what's next?

The RF is still verry valid. It just so happens that newman descoverd this along with his mechanical feild theory. What he did not uderstand was how this was working. This RF is allways reported by others and the tuning for this never was clearly understood.

So the mechanical advantage of this system is 1/2 the advantage. (Along with the result I show in the scope shot) The second is the RF. This might take some time to track down and understand. It dose have to do with the idea of poor brush contacts and arching / fast pulsing. Posibaly even the brush metrial choice.

I still feel the I do on my. Doc is verry valid. Induction currents via parall wires is still valid for current amplifying effect with out current being consumed...

More to do, greate advancement in understanding of one part of the system.

God bless and let's rock this!

~Russ

The quation is...  Will it run while putting out power? Sure looks like it!  Its all adding!

jbignes5

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #966, on January 27th, 2018, 07:52 AM »Last edited on January 27th, 2018, 08:29 AM
Quote from Cycle on January 26th, 2018, 09:33 PM
Yes, yes... Nature Volume 233, 17 Sep 1971, Page 219... you'll note that Mott-Smith (and Langmuir, whom he was talking about in that letter to Nature) was referring to plasma as in "electrical discharge", not plasma as in "the universe-permeating substrate of space-time". So yet again, you're misinterpreting things.
Maybe it is you who is misinterpreting things here....
 My thoughts on this is this. Our source for plasma is our Local Star. When you present a very high potential to the plasma around our planet it condenses around that point of high potential and raises the conduction of that space. This in turn allows more conduction and more plasma is condensed eventually emitting all kinds of spurious emissions from that space, including light. This is the discharge. When you present two points it forma a line between them and plasma condenses and allows the discharge to happen. Since matter displaces the plasma medium close to our planet it can be considered rarefied but not absent. Plasma must be uniform. When it is not uniform across space effects happen like gravity.
 If we could use plasma detectors in near Earth orbit then down through the atmosphere into the Earth we could see this rarefied effect. Within the Earth it is so rarefied that it actually causes a negative potential, going near earth would show a balanced state and near Earth orbit whould show a plethora of plasma due to the Ionosphere.
 The fair weather example shows the extent of the plasma penetration to the lower altitudes.

"The voltages involved in the Earth's circuit are significant. At sea level, the typical potential gradient in fair weather is 120 V/m. Nonetheless, since the conductivity of air is limited, the associated currents are also limited. A typical value is 1800 A over the entire planet. When it is not rainy or stormy, the amount of electricity within the atmosphere is typically between 1000 and 1800 amps. In fair weather conditions, there are about 3.5 micro-amps per square kilometer (9 micro-amps per square mile).[5] This can produce a 200+ volt difference between the head and feet of a regular person."

 This fact sets up a model of the plasma penetration into our atmosphere based on the voltage potential of the layers of our atmosphere. More potential means more natural conduction which means more plasma is present. Plasma seeks the ground because the ground has less of the plasma present due to displacement by that matter. This causes a vacuum to form inside of the earth to the plasma surrounding it in the atmosphere. Again the plasma is from our Sun in the form of solar wind. In the ionosphere it is highly condensed and forms a good barrier to the solar wind which contains a ton of plasma between the Hydrogen the Sun is kicking out.
 When the solar wind has a sudden discharge from the Sun (CME) it can penetrate the natural thickness of plasma around our Earth. This is where all of the weather events we see come from. That plasma acts like a super dense fluid and heads straight for the ground. This can cause tornadoes Hurricanes and all kinds of bad weather events, including Earth Quakes.
 Plasma is not created, it is a flow already established in our Universe down to the Galactic plane and then to our Solar systems plane and finally at our planets ionosphere and finally into our Earth. We have formed a great many logical fallacies about how plasma forms. In a simple understanding the electron is nothing but a bump in the Atmosphere around the atom and the layers that are there in that atmosphere.
 Because the plasma is already there and flowing it is the main reason for induction. It is the medium that induction works with. All radiant and inductive events use this medium.
 There have been a great many fallacies made to explain the complex math we call theory. Ions, electrons and the likes are those logical fallacies!
 As I said before we have to shed the logical fallacies and start from a new understanding that plasma essentially is the conductor of space and that it has a density across space.
 Matter in my mind is nothing but a transformer of the plasma flows that are all around us. It gets all of it's energy via these flows as it goes into our Earth and flows out via the magnetic field of this planet. That field is present because of the Flow of plasma from the Sun. When it hits our planet it charges the planet and it converts that charge into a magnetic field that loops back to the Sun's magnetic field. Nasa has shown these magnetic connections already.
 The solar winds hydrogen is charged high as well with potential and when it gets to our Ionosphere it discharges and condenses, eventually crossing the barrier of the ionosphere. The plasma is leeched out of the hydrogen pairs as it discharges and flows to the ground. The hydrogen as it condenses looses more and more voltage potential allowing it to fall to the ground state. When it gets to a certain level there is a good chance it will find a free oxygen and form what we like to call it as "Star water". Yes we are gaining water ever second of every day. This is why there are cities buried beneath millions of tons of water in our seas. There is no way to stop this but we could use it and take it off world to manage it better. I doubt we would be able to balance the flow of virgin water from our star but we could slow it to a crawl.

sonnet

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #967, on January 27th, 2018, 08:06 AM »
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See What I can not understand is that people keep referring to electrons. The electron is a measurement only. A mathematical construct to quantify a negative energy. It is not real. Hence why I can not agree on that point.
John not trying to ram any thing into anyone's face on the Electron, I have always said this is how i see it, its my theory.

But I have to disagree with you on the electron it has mass.
The information is out there for anyone to view,or google.
The electron's charge to mass ratio (e/m) was known to Thomson and the Electrons charge was measured by Millikan from this one can infer the mass.
And to quote wiki for ease.
The electron is a subatomic particle, symbol e− or β−, whose electric charge is negative one elementary charge.[8] Electrons belong to the first generation of the lepton particle family,[9] and are generally thought to be elementary particles because they have no known components or substructure.[1] The electron has a mass that is approximately 1/1836 that of the proton.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron.
You can view the electron in classical physics or Quantum mechanics and realize it has mass, although in quantum it can be mass less.
I will not argue this point anymore and suggest more reading.

I cannot totally follow your plasma theory and lean more towards cycles views as he answered your comments well unless you can put your points over better, but as you state and as I have always wanted this thread to be about Newman, argument and theory should be posted on other threads.
or held over till a much later time on the conclusions side to this thread which we have not yet got to...so lets all keep open minds and thoughts.
Regards..

jbignes5

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #968, on January 27th, 2018, 08:30 AM »Last edited on January 27th, 2018, 08:44 AM
 I am curious.. What is Mass then in your mind?

 This is what they say mass is:

 "Mass is both a property of a physical body and a measure of its resistance to acceleration when a net force is applied. It also determines the strength of its mutual gravitational attraction to other bodies."

 or

 "In science, mass is the amount of matter an object has. Newton's second law says that mass is the property of matter that determines the force required to impart a given acceleration to an object."

 And then you have this:

 Matter- "In the classical physics observed in everyday life, matter is any substance that has mass and takes up space by having volume."

 Do you see the circular logic there? One leads to the other and loops forever but doesn't generally explain anything. It is a logical fallacy.

 I know my arguments are not coherent at the moment. Unfortunately I am having a hard time keeping my explanations coherent due to my own foray into the traditional physics. I am trying to reveal this as I go and it is hard to do that.

 ***Russ did you see my post with schematic about the central magnet coil version of the Newman machine?***

sonnet

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #969, on January 27th, 2018, 09:09 AM »
lol, it matters not what i think john...who am I but a servant.

simply and easily...
matter is bound energy...
mass is the collective of matter therefore the collective of bound energy....

mass can be accelerated by adding more energy or slowed by removing the energy...

Id like to think that plasma could bind energy into a mass state...that's why I do have a ear for your ideas, but not on this thread at this present time.
russ has a great and real understanding of the magnet coil relationship and we are diluting that knowledge for ego, pride or other less important attributes....lets get russ's points out there please..

Cycle

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #970, on January 27th, 2018, 09:53 AM »Last edited on January 27th, 2018, 11:02 AM by Cycle
Quote from jbignes5 on January 27th, 2018, 07:52 AM
Maybe it is you who is misinterpreting things here....
Says the guy who claims not to be contradicting himself, then contradicts himself by attempting to re-define what the word 'plasma' means away from its original meaning (as I've proven with that Nature article from Mott-Smith, who worked with Langmuir, who coined the original term), while claiming to be attempting to be redefining it back to its original meaning. :thumbdown:

Remember? These are your quotes:
"I am not contradicting myself. I am attempting to redefine it back to the original understanding. It is the conductor of space."
"I told you the basic word Plasma was deviated from what it originally floated or coined as."

Mott-Smith and Langmuir coined it in relation to electrical discharge arcs... you're disingenuously attempting to redefine it to fit your pet theory, while even more disingenuously attempting to imply that you're doing Mott-Smith and Langmuir a 'favor' by redefining it back to what they'd originally intended... nothing could be further from the truth, as Mott-Smith's letter to Nature proves.

Langmuir et. al. were working with hot plasma consisting of protons, electrons and thermal ions... the "conductor of space" (your words, not mine) known as the Quantum Vacuum is a cold plasma, mediated by nothing but EM energy.

Stop attempting to co-opt the discoveries of others and patchwork them into your pet theory while redefining them... it won't work, and you'll lose all credibility in the attempt.

Matt Watts

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #971, on January 27th, 2018, 10:40 AM »Last edited on January 27th, 2018, 10:42 AM
Quote from ~Russ on January 26th, 2018, 10:32 PM
I do rather love seeing that negative sign.

Matt, you got that check book ready? I'm getting closer every day...
Mechanical.   As I suspected.

So now lets think of what needs to happen if we drastically reduce the length of wire used in the coil.  It's still mechanical right?  So it should scale similar to any other mechanical device.


Here's a thought experiment I have spent many hours on...

Current through a wire creates a rotation correct?

Lets take a tiny cross-section of those wires.  What we will do to emulate this cross-section is place gears on a flat surface.

A single gear can rotate freely -- easy peasy.

Two gears can also rotate in unison with the teeth meshing together.  If we think of this as current entering into the surface at the point of one of the gears and exiting out from the surface at the point of the other gear.  Again, easy peasy.  One gear turning clockwise; the other gear turning counter clockwise.

If the current enters into the surface at the points of the gears we have a collision.  Same is true if the current exits from the surface at the points of the two gears, collision.  Think both gears turning the same direction.

So, with two wires in parallel, current must be traveling through the wires in opposite directions.  Otherwise we have a collision of the magnetic rotation around the wires.

Now add one or one million more wires to what we just walked through above.  In ALL cases we will have a collision someplace of the magnetic rotation.  The only exception is if we separate the gears so the teeth do not mesh or even try to.  We might think of this as shielding.

My point in all this is to look at things from a purely mechanical perspective.  Collisions between rotating magnetic fields around current carrying conductors is the essence of resistance.  Let me say that again: 

COLLISIONS BETWEEN ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELDS AROUND CURRENT CARRYING CONDUCTORS IS THE ESSENCE OF RESISTANCE.

Electricity is a lot more visually complex than cross sections of rotating gears.  Why?  Because unlike gears, these rotating magnetic fields are composed of infinitely small gyroscopic particles.  There are no clearly defined boundaries where the teeth are.  These magnetic teeth can permeate solid objects, specifically copper conductors.  The radius of these magnetic teeth are in some proportion to the electrical energy subjected to the conductor.  Like Birkeland Currents, they form in layers.  Think of millions of little gears forming crystals of various geometries.  Why do they form these geometries?  Because they attempt to minimize collisions and from what I just explained above, with one or two conductors only is it possible to completely eliminate collisions.  Three or more conductors and you will have magnetic structures begin to form.

Nuff said for now.


So yeah Russ, great work thus far.  Not sure of the checkbook status, but I'll find a way to help keep this momentum moving forward.

onepower

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #972, on January 27th, 2018, 11:07 AM »Last edited on January 27th, 2018, 11:21 AM
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"In science, mass is the amount of matter an object has. Newton's second law says that mass is the property of matter that determines the force required to impart a given acceleration to an object."
And then you have this:
Matter- "In the classical physics observed in everyday life, matter is any substance that has mass and takes up space by having volume."
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Do you see the circular logic there? One leads to the other and loops forever but doesn't generally explain anything. It is a logical fallacy.
I would not call it a fallacy and all the quotes basically say is that mass as we know it relates to the measure of it's properties as it relates to other things. I would call it objective reasoning because we could speculate about any number of things however speculation is not tangible proof of anything.

The thing to understand about science is that it is a method which usually gives the most accurate answers but not always. It lays these answers out based on the proof we have on hand excluding most speculation. So it is not a fallacy nor is it a conspiracy, it is a proof based method of objective reasoning excluding that which cannot be proven as fact.

The mistake most make is in thinking that because science has not included their own personal flavor of belief, speculation or theories that science is somehow flawed. However... no, it simply lays out what we think we can prove as tangible fact no more no less. In this age of BS, wild speculation, fake news and false beliefs peddled as facts I for one find science kind of refreshing. It's like opening a package and what is inside is exactly what you saw on the label... no more no less. We could hope and pray and believe there is more but no... what you see is generally what you get.

For example take the big bang theory, the critics say what came before the big bang then?... that's why real scientists call it a theory because that is all it was ever claimed to be.

onepower

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #973, on January 27th, 2018, 01:30 PM »
Matt
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Here's a thought experiment I have spent many hours on...

Current through a wire creates a rotation correct?
Not necessarily... our mind perceives it as rotation however our mind also perceives blinking Christmas lights as a unidirectional motion when none is present. Conclusion?... speculation is often misleading and our mind cannot be trusted hence the need for critical thinking. In fact I would go so far as to say the most popular misconception is that an alternating polarity or condition often expressed as a phase differential between things represents rotation.

Not unlike the strange notion that polyphase motor/generators have a complex rotating field when in fact it is simply alternate flux linking giving the false impression of rotation. It is an alternating eddy current generator with multiple elements closed in a circle... no more no less. Why we have entire libraries filled with books which complicate something so simple to no end remains a mystery to me.

I follow the notion that if we cannot explain something simply in basic terms then we don't understand it well enough.


sonnet

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #974, on January 27th, 2018, 02:21 PM »
Matt in your example of what your communicating you make perfect sense, Current through a wire creates a magnetic rotation