Step by step VIC build

~Russ

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #125, on February 4th, 2012, 12:54 AM »
Quote from haxar on February 3rd, 2012, 03:33 AM
Here's an update on the sketch to print and build the VIC transformer which now includes the core mold and an experimental coil hand winder. Changed the VIC bobbin to print in two separate pieces so that when printing them, bridging will not be an issue. See attachments.
wow! that's some nice work!!!! sucks it don't work... but all in all that's grand! also, can you send me an email haxar? RWG42985@aol.com. thanks!

also im attaching a file of the basic VIC info all in one place...

this is really for reverse engineering...

enjoy.

~Russ

sampojo

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #126, on February 9th, 2012, 10:29 PM »
Hi everyone,

Looks like we are talking about strict electrical resonance of a circuit here.  Have been seeing people looking at acoustical resonance, multiple vibrational modes of water molecules, etc.  Good luck.  My plan is to by a 9XB card poss from globalkast, make a coil if I have to, but I want to just either use my current mileageshop cell or make an HHO twister cell, and just try to find some resonance.  Should be able to get whatever capacitance needed in any water fuel cell to get resonance eventually, don'cha think  I then want to hook it up to my vehicles and try to double my mileage.  Beating the ECU is a problem, may just try to find a '80 carbureted pickup truck if that don't work.

Seems hhoforvolts is making some fantastic progress, claiming 200-800% OU with just a Lawton circuit.  check him out on youtube.  He is even moving a star rodin coil into the circuit replacing the watercell, just going for a purely electrical gain.  

~Russ

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #127, on February 11th, 2012, 01:24 AM »
Haxar, do you haven an inductance meter? if so what is the measurements of your coils?


waiting... :)

thanks.

~Russ

HMS-776

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #128, on February 18th, 2012, 06:07 PM »Last edited on February 18th, 2012, 06:07 PM by HMS-776
I noticed a few people here are printing the square bobbins and end caps for the VIC.

Is anyone selling any?
I noticed a few people here are printing the square bobbins and end caps for the VIC.

Is anyone selling any?

Jeff Nading

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #129, on February 18th, 2012, 06:19 PM »
Quote from HMS-776 on February 18th, 2012, 06:07 PM
I noticed a few people here are printing the square bobbins and end caps for the VIC.

Is anyone selling any?

I noticed a few people here are printing the square bobbins and end caps for the VIC.

Is anyone selling any?
Email firepinto he's a member in this same thread.

~Russ

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #130, on February 21st, 2012, 12:17 AM »
Quote from haxar on November 15th, 2011, 05:49 PM
Quote from Rwg42985 on November 15th, 2011, 05:20 PM
I have done extensive research and i have found out that stan may have been using 4 layer coating on the wire witch brings the measurements up to where there suppose to be...

this makes sense with the use that there may be high voltage in the wire. extra insulation...

thoughts?
 
~Russ
Yes, Stan may have used 30 AWG magnet wire with heavy double or quadruple insulation to make it approximately 29 AWG. The type of insulation in question could be found in the technical brief at the beginning of page 7-5 of memo 426:
Quote
both magnet wire sizes (622/623) uses solderable Nysol (Polyurethane Nylon Jacket) insulation enamel coating as a electrical shield-material ...
One supplier who carries magnet wire with Polyurethane-Nylon insulation could be found here:
http://www.planetengineers.com/default.asp?cat=Wire%2C+Magnet
30 AWG Heavy Poly Nylon (two coats):
http://www.planetengineers.com/product.asp?pid=1458
30 AWG Quadruple Poly Nylon (four coats):
http://www.planetengineers.com/product.asp?pid=2168

30 AWG with a heavy build would have a maximum diameter of 0.0121 inches according to this document:
http://www.nema.org/stds/complimentary-docs/upload/MW%201000-2008_errata%20final.pdf
here we have .0116" for # 30 wire...

http://www.magnet4less.com/product_info.php?products_id=197

heavy build...

~Russ
RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #132, on February 23rd, 2012, 03:54 AM »Last edited on February 23rd, 2012, 04:01 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Some info and VIC testing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhsO9JVI30

Enjoy, thanks.


i also wrapped a VIC coil with 32 AWG just because i have the wire... no measurements yet but the windings exactly dubbed... could have put more but it looks about right...

4200 turns, sec/chokes and 1200 turns on pri...

again i did this just for data collection. i now that's not the correct wire...


~Russ

DanB

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #133, on February 23rd, 2012, 01:41 PM »
Russ,
Nice video.

The 48khz seems to be the self resonance of the coils. Think of a pendulum, you can excite it with a singe push (ie a low frequency) and it oscillates and comes to a stop. If you time the pushings right the pendulum will continue to oscillate (ie matched input frequency with self resonance). In any case, the frequency is not dependant on the pushings (ie input frequency) it's depenant on the inductance and capacitance of the coil itself. The scope readout is correct.

Most scopes will let you take a differential measurement using both scope chanells together. See if you have a control to invert one of the scope channels and a mode to add the channels together. This will give you a single trace of the actual output waveform.

One thing to keep in mind that I have run into is the input capacitance of the test equipment. It can change the circuit and give resonances that are not real for the VIC circuit. Every time I try and make capacitance measurements of a cell I keep measureing the capacitance of my test equipment.

Dan

HHO4Life

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #134, on February 27th, 2012, 12:02 PM »
Hey guys! I am in need of some bobbins! I am going to start working on the VIC may I purchase some from someone? Thanks Guys!

~Russ

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #135, on February 27th, 2012, 11:35 PM »
Quote from HHO4Life on February 27th, 2012, 12:02 PM
Hey guys! I am in need of some bobbins! I am going to start working on the VIC may I purchase some from someone? Thanks Guys!
send me an email,

RWG42985
  • aol.com <--- no spaces or brackets, saves on spam...
thanks,

~Russ

pakakezu

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #136, on March 2nd, 2012, 01:58 AM »
Hi Guys. I have some unclear thing about the resonance finder circuit.  
A phase lock loop circuit will set the feedback for the VCO(voltage controlled oscillator) to find the frequency where the two signals are in phase. When the phase shifts the frequency is adjusted again to get back the in phase condition. This needs some time.
But, Meyer did gated the output signal, this means, when the output signal is turned off by gating, the feedback signal disappears, automatically is caused an unlock condition, and the frequency is shifting away. But when the gating is on again, the system tries to lock in again.

So if the gating frequency is too high, we never get lock`d in. But, from the drawings we have only few impulses to lock in again. Or is something I missed, and while gating is off, the PLL don`t changes the VCO?

Other thing I want to warn you, is the Core saturation. When the core is saturated(magnetized whit to high current), the inductance is dropping down whit division to 1000`s of times. So if we have an LC resonance circuit this is ruining everything. I`m sure because of this was a built in power supply in each vic card.

~Russ

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #137, on March 6th, 2012, 03:05 AM »
Quote from pakakezu on March 2nd, 2012, 01:58 AM
Hi Guys. I have some unclear thing about the resonance finder circuit.  
A phase lock loop circuit will set the feedback for the VCO(voltage controlled oscillator) to find the frequency where the two signals are in phase. When the phase shifts the frequency is adjusted again to get back the in phase condition. This needs some time.
But, Meyer did gated the output signal, this means, when the output signal is turned off by gating, the feedback signal disappears, automatically is caused an unlock condition, and the frequency is shifting away. But when the gating is on again, the system tries to lock in again.

So if the gating frequency is too high, we never get lock`d in. But, from the drawings we have only few impulses to lock in again. Or is something I missed, and while gating is off, the PLL don`t changes the VCO?

Other thing I want to warn you, is the Core saturation. When the core is saturated(magnetized whit to high current), the inductance is dropping down whit division to 1000`s of times. So if we have an LC resonance circuit this is ruining everything. I`m sure because of this was a built in power supply in each vic card.
hummmm... well i hope to find out soon... weeks away but im trying... then we can know for sure... over here sharky may ba able to answer that. http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=311

~Russ

Webmug

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #138, on March 6th, 2012, 04:53 AM »
Quote from pakakezu on March 2nd, 2012, 01:58 AM
Hi Guys. I have some unclear thing about the resonance finder circuit.  
A phase lock loop circuit will set the feedback for the VCO(voltage controlled oscillator) to find the frequency where the two signals are in phase. When the phase shifts the frequency is adjusted again to get back the in phase condition. This needs some time.
But, Meyer did gated the output signal, this means, when the output signal is turned off by gating, the feedback signal disappears, automatically is caused an unlock condition, and the frequency is shifting away. But when the gating is on again, the system tries to lock in again.

So if the gating frequency is too high, we never get lock`d in. But, from the drawings we have only few impulses to lock in again. Or is something I missed, and while gating is off, the PLL don`t changes the VCO?

Other thing I want to warn you, is the Core saturation. When the core is saturated(magnetized whit to high current), the inductance is dropping down whit division to 1000`s of times. So if we have an LC resonance circuit this is ruining everything. I`m sure because of this was a built in power supply in each vic card.
Hi,

What I understand so far:
For the resonance wfc, resonance is always maintained by the PLL, because the pulse frequency is always there on the coils and core. Pulse voltages do not drop to 0V.
Gating is on top of the pulse signal, seen as higher amplitude.
If the pulse voltage drops some time to 0V(due gating) the chokes amp restriction function is gone.

If we lookup the circuit in the patent, the pulse is gated to 0V, but we need a better understanding what happens if this pulse should not go to 0V.
Reading SM text isn't easy, perhaps he wanted to give us a little hint in the Fig.16 found in the Dealership Sales Manual?
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=311&pid=3448#pid3448

Br,
Webmug
RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #139, on March 6th, 2012, 07:57 AM »Last edited on March 6th, 2012, 08:03 AM by Webmug
Hi,

Looking at Fig "section AA" where pulse signals are shown.
Resonance maintained 54a no stepcharge, step charging effect 53n higher amplitude.
Tuning gating duty cycle is the "Resonance action" in the resonance wfc.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1305.msg22184.html#msg22184

Br,
Webmug



pakakezu

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #140, on March 7th, 2012, 01:54 PM »
Oh, this really make`s sense. The energized stage is kept, and the PLL loop remains closed. Now i need to clean the dust from my resonant scanning circuit and give it a new try.

I have one more idea. At the New Zealand House meeting video, Stan is asked about the use of contaminated water and what happens when is over concentrated and need to be changed. He sad it can be automatized, but after changing the water you need to re Ener... Pressurize the water. I felt like, he wanted to say energize, but then he reconsidered that and said pressurize. So we need to be patient to see the effect?
 But this question didn`t really matches in this topic. Sorry for that.


 

waterfreak

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #141, on March 7th, 2012, 07:46 PM »
Quote from HMS-776 on February 18th, 2012, 06:07 PM
I noticed a few people here are printing the square bobbins and end caps for the VIC.

Is anyone selling any?

I noticed a few people here are printing the square bobbins and end caps for the VIC.

Is anyone selling any?
The only ones I was able to find for sale are available here - look pretty impressive from the pictures, too:

http://stansdream.com/stan_meyer_vic_bobbin.htm

Jeff Nading

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #142, on March 7th, 2012, 08:31 PM »
Quote from waterfreak on March 7th, 2012, 07:46 PM
Quote from HMS-776 on February 18th, 2012, 06:07 PM
I noticed a few people here are printing the square bobbins and end caps for the VIC.

Is anyone selling any?

I noticed a few people here are printing the square bobbins and end caps for the VIC.

Is anyone selling any?
The only ones I was able to find for sale are available here - look pretty impressive from the pictures, too:

http://stansdream.com/stan_meyer_vic_bobbin.htm
Man, that's hi-way robbery for a dollars worth of plastic and about three hours of print time, most likely got the stl from this forum.

~Russ

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #143, on March 11th, 2012, 05:37 PM »
Quote from waterfreak on March 7th, 2012, 07:46 PM
Quote from HMS-776 on February 18th, 2012, 06:07 PM
I noticed a few people here are printing the square bobbins and end caps for the VIC.

Is anyone selling any?

I noticed a few people here are printing the square bobbins and end caps for the VIC.

Is anyone selling any?
The only ones I was able to find for sale are available here - look pretty impressive from the pictures, too:

http://stansdream.com/stan_meyer_vic_bobbin.htm
NOOO!!! lol

we are practically giving them out, just send me or Nate (firepinto) a message...

~Russ

firepinto

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #144, on March 11th, 2012, 07:59 PM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 11th, 2012, 05:37 PM
Quote from waterfreak on March 7th, 2012, 07:46 PM
Quote from HMS-776 on February 18th, 2012, 06:07 PM
I noticed a few people here are printing the square bobbins and end caps for the VIC.

Is anyone selling any?

I noticed a few people here are printing the square bobbins and end caps for the VIC.

Is anyone selling any?
The only ones I was able to find for sale are available here - look pretty impressive from the pictures, too:

http://stansdream.com/stan_meyer_vic_bobbin.htm
NOOO!!! lol

we are practically giving them out, just send me or Nate (firepinto) a message...

~Russ
I probably have one more weekend printing new printer parts, I'll try to get more bobbins printed the weekend after.  If every thing goes well with the latest tweaks on my RAMPS box, I may get a set of bobbins done next weekend if I'm lucky. :)  

Nate

~Russ

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #145, on March 12th, 2012, 01:06 AM »Last edited on April 10th, 2012, 01:23 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
im verry excited to inform you all that Haxar was on it with his #30WAG wire!

looks like this may be it!

check out these measurements!!!

not only on the 100hz but 100,120,1k,10k settings they are very close!!! now just time for the core...

here are my measurements:

Code: [Select]
Column1 Feedback 1 Feed back 2 Secondary Choke 1 Choke 2 Primary
wire size 30 30 30 30 30 30
number turns 400 400 2955 3065 2870 560
wire resantce on air core (100hz) 8.455 @ .1757Q 11.576 @ .2244Q 102.59 @ .6518Q 111.64 @ .6804Q 98.16 @ .6335Q 10.419 @ .1084Q
wire resantce on air core (120hz) 8.566 @ .2108Q 11.821 @ .2692Q 116.04 @ .7821Q 127.17 @ .8163Q 110.52 @ .7601 10.473 @ .1300Q
wire resantce on air core (1khz) 33.51 @ 1.7565Q 66.44 @ 2.2407Q 3.117k @ 6.4870Q 3.591K @ 6.7700Q 2.8699K @ 6.3081Q 22.398 @ 1.0838Q
wire resantce on air core (10khz) 2.3996K @ 16.583Q 4.941k @ 19.926Q 237.14k @ 49.895Q 270.90k @ 51.770Q 222.99K @ 49.222Q 1.021k @ 10.667Q
inductance on air core (100hz) 2.2932mh @ .1758 3.935mh @ .2244Q 74.69mh @ .6518Q 82.63mh @ .6800Q 70.63mh @ .6335Q 1.7783mh @ 10.672Q
inductance on air core(120hz) 2.2929mh @ .2108Q 3.935mh @ .2692Q 74.68mh @ .7821Q 82.62mh @ .8160Q 70.62mh @ .7601Q 1.7766mh @ .1300Q
inductance on air core (1khz) 2.2935mh @ 1.7567Q 3.935mh @ 2.2401 74.69mh @ 6.4889Q 82.64mh @ 6.7660Q 70.63mh @ 6.3073Q 1.7766mh @ 1.0835Q
inductance on air core (10khz) 2.2952mh @ 16.586Q 3.939mh @ 19.940Q 75.90mh @ 49.871Q 84.21mh @ 51.435Q 71.73mh @ 49.495Q 1.7784mh @ 10.669Q
capacitance on air core(100hz) 33.08uf @ 5.6914Q 30.83uf @ 4.4580Q 10.11uf @ 1.5341Q 9.696uf @ 1.4700Q 10.27uf @ 1.5783Q 16.54uf @ 9.2271Q
capacitance on air core(120hz) 32.65uf @ 4.7426Q 30.18uf @ 3.7156Q 8.9393uf @ 1.2786Q 8.511uf @ 1.2252Q 9.122uf @ 1.3153Q 16.45uf @ 7.6921Q
capacitance on air core (1khz) 8.341uf @ .5692Q 5.366uf @ .4464Q 331.2nf @ .1541Q 299.9nf @ .1477 Q 349.8nf @ .1585Q 7.698uf @ .9231Q
capacitance on air core(10khz) 109.9nf @ .0603Q 64.13nf @ .0501Q 3.335nf @ .0202Q 3.006nf @ .0194Q 3.529nf @ .0202Q 141.2nf @ .0938Q
wire resantce on air core (fluke) 8.4 11.2 72.2 76.6 70.2 10.5


and the ones Don took from Stans VIC:

Code: [Select]
This set of readings is for each coil independent of all others on an air core (no ferrite)
Coil Feedback1 Feedback2 secondary Choke 1 Choke 2 Primary
Thick in 0.0155 0.0155 0.0155 0.0155 0.0155 0.0155
R (Fluke) Ohms 11.5 11.1 72.4 76.7 70.1 10.5
R(BK) @100Hz Ohms 12 11.58 100.2 106.5 93.27 10.48
R(BK) @120Hz Ohms 12.14 11.74 110.4 119.7 103.5 10.53
R(BK) @ 1kHz Ohms 49.35 51.5 2.64k 3.15k 2.46k 21
R(BK) @ 10kHz Ohms 3.22k 3.42k 190.6k 1200k 1200k 946
L(BK) @100Hz H 3.47mH @ 0.188Q 3.43mH @ 0.192Q 68.7mH @ 0.594Q 76.32mH @ 0.626Q 64.34mH @ 0.577Q 1.65mH @ 0.099Q
L(BK) @120Hz H 3.3mH @ 0.214Q 3.34mH @ 0.225Q 68.6mH @ 0.713Q 76.28mH @ 0.751Q 64.3mH @ 0.693Q 1.65mH @ 0.119Q
L(BK) @ 1kHz H 3.3mH @ 1.8Q 3.36mH @ 1.89Q 68.6mH @ 5.98Q 76.28mH @ 6.27Q 64.26mH @ 5.79Q 1651uH @ 1.0Q
L(BK) @ 10kHz H 3.3mH @ 16Q 3.34mH @ 16.8Q 69.4mH @ 47.4Q 77.36mH @ 50.2Q 65.0mH @ 45.6Q 1651uH @ 9.39Q
C(BK) @100Hz F 23.7uF @ 5.61D 25.86uF @ 5.34D 9.73uF @ 1.66D 9.38uF @ 1.59D 9.89uF @ 1.72D 14.8uF @ 10.2D
C(BK) @120Hz F 23.3uF @ 4.67D 25.5uF @ 4.42D 8.72uF @ 1.39D 8.33uF @ 1.32D 8.91uF @ 1.43D 15.0uF @ 8.4D
C(BK) @ 1kHz F 5.75uF @ 0.552D 5.82uF 0.524D 351.5nF @ 0.164D 317.1nF @ 0.157D 374.6nF @ 0.17D 7.6uF @ 0.988D
C(BK) @ 10kHz F 83nF @ 0.061D 81.85nF @ 0.059D 3.95nF @ 0.021D 3.55nF @ 0.020D 4.22nF @ 0.022D 164.5nF @ 0.106D



god bless everyone for all the help! man!!! after almost a year of messing with this coil... we can finally say we have it! i was getting tired of it lol

~Russ

Webmug

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #146, on March 12th, 2012, 06:28 AM »Last edited on March 12th, 2012, 09:53 AM by Webmug
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 12th, 2012, 01:06 AM
im verry excited to inform you all that Haxar was on it with his #30WAG wire!

looks like this may be it!

check out these measurements!!!

not only on the 100hz but 100,120,1k,10k settings they are very close!!! now just time for the core...

here are my measurements:

Code: [Select]
Column1 Feedback 1 Feed back 2 Secondary Choke 1 Choke 2 Primary
wire size 30 30 30 30 30 30
number turns 400 400 2955 2870 3065 560
wire resantce on air core (100hz) 8.455 @ .1757Q 11.576 @ .2244Q 102.59 @ .6518Q 111.64 @ .6804Q 98.16 @ .6335Q 10.419 @ .1084Q
wire resantce on air core (120hz) 8.566 @ .2108Q 11.821 @ .2692Q 116.04 @ .7821Q 127.17 @ .8163Q 110.52 @ .7601 10.473 @ .1300Q
wire resantce on air core (1khz) 33.51 @ 1.7565Q 66.44 @ 2.2407Q 3.117k @ 6.4870Q 3.591K @ 6.7700Q 2.8699K @ 6.3081Q 22.398 @ 1.0838Q
wire resantce on air core (10khz) 2.3996K @ 16.583Q 4.941k @ 19.926Q 237.14k @ 49.895Q 270.90k @ 51.770Q 222.99K @ 49.222Q 1.021k @ 10.667Q
inductance on air core (100hz) 2.2932mh @ .1758 3.935mh @ .2244Q 74.69mh @ .6518Q 82.63mh @ .6800Q 70.63mh @ .6335Q 1.7783mh @ 10.672Q
inductance on air core(120hz) 2.2929mh @ .2108Q 3.935mh @ .2692Q 74.68mh @ .7821Q 82.62mh @ .8160Q 70.62mh @ .7601Q 1.7766mh @ .1300Q
inductance on air core (1khz) 2.2935mh @ 1.7567Q 3.935mh @ 2.2401 74.69mh @ 6.4889Q 82.64mh @ 6.7660Q 70.63mh @ 6.3073Q 1.7766mh @ 1.0835Q
inductance on air core (10khz) 2.2952mh @ 16.586Q 3.939mh @ 19.940Q 75.90mh @ 49.871Q 84.21mh @ 51.435Q 71.73mh @ 49.495Q 1.7784mh @ 10.669Q
capacitance on air core(100hz) 33.08uf @ 5.6914Q 30.83uf @ 4.4580Q 10.11uf @ 1.5341Q 9.696uf @ 1.4700Q 10.27uf @ 1.5783Q 16.54uf @ 9.2271Q
capacitance on air core(120hz) 32.65uf @ 4.7426Q 30.18uf @ 3.7156Q 8.9393uf @ 1.2786Q 8.511uf @ 1.2252Q 9.122uf @ 1.3153Q 16.45uf @ 7.6921Q
capacitance on air core (1khz) 8.341uf @ .5692Q 5.366uf @ .4464Q 331.2nf @ .1541Q 299.9nf @ .1477 Q 349.8nf @ .1585Q 7.698uf @ .9231Q
capacitance on air core(10khz) 109.9nf @ .0603Q 64.13nf @ .0501Q 3.335nf @ .0202Q 3.006nf @ .0194Q 3.529nf @ .0202Q 141.2nf @ .0938Q
wire resantce on air core (fluke) 8.4 11.2 72.2 76.6 70.2 10.5


and the ones Don took from Stans VIC:

Code: [Select]
This set of readings is for each coil independent of all others on an air core (no ferrite)
Coil Feedback1 Feedback2 secondary Choke 1 Choke 2 Primary
Thick in 0.0155 0.0155 0.0155 0.0155 0.0155 0.0155
R (Fluke) Ohms 11.5 11.1 72.4 76.7 70.1 10.5
R(BK) @100Hz Ohms 12 11.58 100.2 106.5 93.27 10.48
R(BK) @120Hz Ohms 12.14 11.74 110.4 119.7 103.5 10.53
R(BK) @ 1kHz Ohms 49.35 51.5 2.64k 3.15k 2.46k 21
R(BK) @ 10kHz Ohms 3.22k 3.42k 190.6k 1200k 1200k 946
L(BK) @100Hz H 3.47mH @ 0.188Q 3.43mH @ 0.192Q 68.7mH @ 0.594Q 76.32mH @ 0.626Q 64.34mH @ 0.577Q 1.65mH @ 0.099Q
L(BK) @120Hz H 3.3mH @ 0.214Q 3.34mH @ 0.225Q 68.6mH @ 0.713Q 76.28mH @ 0.751Q 64.3mH @ 0.693Q 1.65mH @ 0.119Q
L(BK) @ 1kHz H 3.3mH @ 1.8Q 3.36mH @ 1.89Q 68.6mH @ 5.98Q 76.28mH @ 6.27Q 64.26mH @ 5.79Q 1651uH @ 1.0Q
L(BK) @ 10kHz H 3.3mH @ 16Q 3.34mH @ 16.8Q 69.4mH @ 47.4Q 77.36mH @ 50.2Q 65.0mH @ 45.6Q 1651uH @ 9.39Q
C(BK) @100Hz F 23.7uF @ 5.61D 25.86uF @ 5.34D 9.73uF @ 1.66D 9.38uF @ 1.59D 9.89uF @ 1.72D 14.8uF @ 10.2D
C(BK) @120Hz F 23.3uF @ 4.67D 25.5uF @ 4.42D 8.72uF @ 1.39D 8.33uF @ 1.32D 8.91uF @ 1.43D 15.0uF @ 8.4D
C(BK) @ 1kHz F 5.75uF @ 0.552D 5.82uF 0.524D 351.5nF @ 0.164D 317.1nF @ 0.157D 374.6nF @ 0.17D 7.6uF @ 0.988D
C(BK) @ 10kHz F 83nF @ 0.061D 81.85nF @ 0.059D 3.95nF @ 0.021D 3.55nF @ 0.020D 4.22nF @ 0.022D 164.5nF @ 0.106D



god bless everyone for all the help! man!!! after almost a year of messing with this coil... we can finally say we have it! i was getting tired of it lol

~Russ
Very nice to read you have almost similar specs!

Br,
Webmug


firepinto

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #147, on March 12th, 2012, 07:44 AM »Last edited on March 12th, 2012, 08:28 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 12th, 2012, 01:06 AM
im verry excited to inform you all that haxar was on it with his #30WAG wire!

looks like this may be it!

check out these measurements!!!

not only on the 100hz but 100,120,1k,10k settings they are very close!!! now just time for the core...

here are my measurements:

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Column1 Feedback 1 Feed back 2 Secondary Choke 1 Choke 2 Primary
wire size 30 30 30 30 30 30
number turns 400 400 2955 2870 3065 560
wire resantce on air core (100hz) 8.455 @ .1757Q 11.576 @ .2244Q 102.59 @ .6518Q 111.64 @ .6804Q 98.16 @ .6335Q 10.419 @ .1084Q
wire resantce on air core (120hz) 8.566 @ .2108Q 11.821 @ .2692Q 116.04 @ .7821Q 127.17 @ .8163Q 110.52 @ .7601 10.473 @ .1300Q
wire resantce on air core (1khz) 33.51 @ 1.7565Q 66.44 @ 2.2407Q 3.117k @ 6.4870Q 3.591K @ 6.7700Q 2.8699K @ 6.3081Q 22.398 @ 1.0838Q
wire resantce on air core (10khz) 2.3996K @ 16.583Q 4.941k @ 19.926Q 237.14k @ 49.895Q 270.90k @ 51.770Q 222.99K @ 49.222Q 1.021k @ 10.667Q
inductance on air core (100hz) 2.2932mh @ .1758 3.935mh @ .2244Q 74.69mh @ .6518Q 82.63mh @ .6800Q 70.63mh @ .6335Q 1.7783mh @ 10.672Q
inductance on air core(120hz) 2.2929mh @ .2108Q 3.935mh @ .2692Q 74.68mh @ .7821Q 82.62mh @ .8160Q 70.62mh @ .7601Q 1.7766mh @ .1300Q
inductance on air core (1khz) 2.2935mh @ 1.7567Q 3.935mh @ 2.2401 74.69mh @ 6.4889Q 82.64mh @ 6.7660Q 70.63mh @ 6.3073Q 1.7766mh @ 1.0835Q
inductance on air core (10khz) 2.2952mh @ 16.586Q 3.939mh @ 19.940Q 75.90mh @ 49.871Q 84.21mh @ 51.435Q 71.73mh @ 49.495Q 1.7784mh @ 10.669Q
capacitance on air core(100hz) 33.08uf @ 5.6914Q 30.83uf @ 4.4580Q 10.11uf @ 1.5341Q 9.696uf @ 1.4700Q 10.27uf @ 1.5783Q 16.54uf @ 9.2271Q
capacitance on air core(120hz) 32.65uf @ 4.7426Q 30.18uf @ 3.7156Q 8.9393uf @ 1.2786Q 8.511uf @ 1.2252Q 9.122uf @ 1.3153Q 16.45uf @ 7.6921Q
capacitance on air core (1khz) 8.341uf @ .5692Q 5.366uf @ .4464Q 331.2nf @ .1541Q 299.9nf @ .1477 Q 349.8nf @ .1585Q 7.698uf @ .9231Q
capacitance on air core(10khz) 109.9nf @ .0603Q 64.13nf @ .0501Q 3.335nf @ .0202Q 3.006nf @ .0194Q 3.529nf @ .0202Q 141.2nf @ .0938Q
wire resantce on air core (fluke) 8.4 11.2 72.2 76.6 70.2 10.5

and the ones Don took from Stans VIC:

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This set of readings is for each coil independent of all others on an air core (no ferrite)
Coil Feedback1 Feedback2 secondary Choke 1 Choke 2 Primary
Thick in 0.0155 0.0155 0.0155 0.0155 0.0155 0.0155
R (Fluke) Ohms 11.5 11.1 72.4 76.7 70.1 10.5
R(BK) @100Hz Ohms 12 11.58 100.2 106.5 93.27 10.48
R(BK) @120Hz Ohms 12.14 11.74 110.4 119.7 103.5 10.53
R(BK) @ 1kHz Ohms 49.35 51.5 2.64k 3.15k 2.46k 21
R(BK) @ 10kHz Ohms 3.22k 3.42k 190.6k 1200k 1200k 946
L(BK) @100Hz H 3.47mH @ 0.188Q 3.43mH @ 0.192Q 68.7mH @ 0.594Q 76.32mH @ 0.626Q 64.34mH @ 0.577Q 1.65mH @ 0.099Q
L(BK) @120Hz H 3.3mH @ 0.214Q 3.34mH @ 0.225Q 68.6mH @ 0.713Q 76.28mH @ 0.751Q 64.3mH @ 0.693Q 1.65mH @ 0.119Q
L(BK) @ 1kHz H 3.3mH @ 1.8Q 3.36mH @ 1.89Q 68.6mH @ 5.98Q 76.28mH @ 6.27Q 64.26mH @ 5.79Q 1651uH @ 1.0Q
L(BK) @ 10kHz H 3.3mH @ 16Q 3.34mH @ 16.8Q 69.4mH @ 47.4Q 77.36mH @ 50.2Q 65.0mH @ 45.6Q 1651uH @ 9.39Q
C(BK) @100Hz F 23.7uF @ 5.61D 25.86uF @ 5.34D 9.73uF @ 1.66D 9.38uF @ 1.59D 9.89uF @ 1.72D 14.8uF @ 10.2D
C(BK) @120Hz F 23.3uF @ 4.67D 25.5uF @ 4.42D 8.72uF @ 1.39D 8.33uF @ 1.32D 8.91uF @ 1.43D 15.0uF @ 8.4D
C(BK) @ 1kHz F 5.75uF @ 0.552D 5.82uF 0.524D 351.5nF @ 0.164D 317.1nF @ 0.157D 374.6nF @ 0.17D 7.6uF @ 0.988D
C(BK) @ 10kHz F 83nF @ 0.061D 81.85nF @ 0.059D 3.95nF @ 0.021D 3.55nF @ 0.020D 4.22nF @ 0.022D 164.5nF @ 0.106D


god bless everyone for all the help! man!!! after almost a year of messing with this coil... we can finally say we have it! i was getting tired of it lol

~Russ
Very cool!  Now we need some of that elusive ferrite stuff!  

Nate

HMS-776

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #148, on March 14th, 2012, 09:48 PM »Last edited on March 14th, 2012, 09:51 PM by HMS-776
I have a large ferrite C core.

I need to get it cut, once I do I may have a few extra sets.

I don't think it's the right core material though...It's ferrite, 2000 permeability which is too high....Same material Tony Woodside has and he's getting resonance but no gas production.....Which seems to be a common theme.

If anyone has ferrite and does no know how to cut it you need a diamond blade and a lot of water!

Unfortunately I don't have a saw so I was thinking about taking it to a machine shop?

~Russ

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #149, on March 14th, 2012, 10:01 PM »
Quote from HMS-776 on March 14th, 2012, 09:48 PM
I have a large ferrite C core.

I need to get it cut, once I do I may have a few extra sets.

I don't think it's the right core material though...It's ferrite, 2000 permeability which is too high....Same material Tony Woodside has and he's getting resonance but no gas production.....Which seems to be a common theme.

If anyone has ferrite and does no know how to cut it you need a diamond blade and a lot of water!

Unfortunately I don't have a saw so I was thinking about taking it to a machine shop?
cool stuff, i asked my buddy, they can cut ferrite with a water jet... but that's just at the thickness and not down the side???

any how, best of luck cutting it!

also, you have the correct C core? or is it not the correct dimensions to fit on the normal VIC bobbins?  or you can cut it to make the correct dimensions?

i would be interested in trying it if you have more than one core... i will publish the data...

thanks!!! ~Russ