Step by step VIC build

waqas148

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #425, on June 6th, 2013, 04:15 AM »
I think we have to take a look at this video , this Guy is doing some very interesting work,
this video i think somewhat relates to the VIC coil , a simple and nice demo of how gate
and frequency can affect the power output of a VIC .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3b3h2cEbHw

Notice that at 60 degree phase shift the power steps up,
instead of the magnets rotating inside the toroid, VIC uses secondary wire for magnetic flux,
and phase shift is achieved by the adjusting the frequency and gate just like Tesla's Switch configuration.

Matt Watts

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #426, on June 6th, 2013, 04:38 AM »
Quote from waqas148 on June 6th, 2013, 04:15 AM
I think we have to take a look at this video , this Guy is doing some very interesting work, this video i think somewhat relates to the VIC coil , a simple and nice demo of how gate and frequency can affect the power output of a VIC .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3b3h2cEbHw

Notice that at 60 degree phase shift the power steps up, instead of the magnets rotating inside the toroid, VIC uses secondary wire for magnetic flux and phase shift is achieved by the adjusting the frequency and gate just like Tesla's Switch configuration.
Looks like Tesla's "disruptive gap" which is key to his collection of "radiant energy".

See this patent as a prime example of how to capture it:
http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-514,168-generating-electric-currents

HMS-776

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #427, on June 9th, 2013, 11:54 AM »
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Here are some of my scope shots from a VIC I designed a while back.

This stuff takes a tremendous amount of work to get right. I've designed 10 VIC's and still am not able to get the full effect. BTW, when I say I've designed 10 VIC's that does not mean I just wrapped some wire on a coil former. I have a notebook with page after page of math to prove it. Meyer's work is not easy to replicate. IMHO the coil design is one of the most critical parts of the system, and probably the most complex.






Lynx

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #428, on June 9th, 2013, 12:07 PM »
Quote from HMS-776 on June 9th, 2013, 11:54 AM
IMHO the coil design is one of the most critical parts of the system, and probably the most complex.
Probably why there's so few (open source) working VIC's out there.
Would you mind much to give us one such setup?
Thanks.

HMS-776

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #429, on June 10th, 2013, 07:45 PM »
Ok, for some reason I am not seeing the last 2 posts here....Anyone know why?

I posted the following

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Here are some of my scope shots from a VIC I designed a while back.

 This stuff takes a tremendous amount of work to get right. I've designed 10 VIC's and still am not able to get the full effect. BTW, when I say I've designed 10 VIC's that does not mean I just wrapped some wire on a coil former. I have a notebook with page after page of math to prove it. Meyer's work is not easy to replicate. IMHO the coil design is one of the most critical parts of the system, and probably the most complex.

Then Lynx replied

Probably why there's so few (open source) working VIC's out there.
 Would you mind much to give us one such setup?
 Thanks.

adys15

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #430, on June 11th, 2013, 02:04 AM »
Hy guys why i canot see the new posts on this thread?

Matt Watts

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #431, on June 11th, 2013, 06:11 AM »
Adys, you may have to use Threaded Mode.  For some reason MyBB gets wrapped around the axle on occasion.  Don't know why, but it happens.  Eventually it tends to straighten itself out.

securesupplies

Re: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #432, on February 28th, 2014, 02:52 AM »

Question

If we want very low resistance on vics and high volts

For Vic Style 1 Core Flat bobbin  do we want a high perm  2000

For vic Style 2 Co round bobbin do we also want a very low resistance on core and wire,
thus if we can't get stainless wire can we offset copper with a Carbon less steel core which is less resistant than steel core laminates   

Looking for advanced member to feed back on this as I have feeling we can advanced it further than stan now.

Dan


HMS-776

Re: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #433, on February 28th, 2014, 06:15 PM »Last edited on February 28th, 2014, 06:24 PM
You do want low resistance coils-to a point.
You want to minimize the copper losses which also minimizes the coils heating.

For VIC style 1 I think it depends on first whether or not you are charging 1 WFC or multiple WFC's. And to what voltage?
You have to consider core effective area Ae, saturation flux density, frequency range, Primary and secondary voltage, inductance of the coils in relation to the load impedance etc. There is really no simple answer. There are far to many considerations in my opinion.

Keep in mind I'm limited to step charging to only 20V across a WFC with a VIC of my own design. However, I have learned some things along the way.

Choosing the correct core is a challenge itself.....That thin core used on the 5 coil VIC was actually a good choice in some ways.
The only problem is cores with those specific characteristics are not easy to come by as we have all learned. IMO they are very close to something that might work later very well given the right design.

I have had the best luck with ferrite cores, however the AL value is high and the saturation is low with ferrites. So that poses several problems. First off for a given voltage and pulse length preventing saturation requires a large number of primary turns.....The large number of primary turns means an even greater number of secondary turns if the voltage is being stepped up......This causes the secondary coils impedance to be very high, which then makes matching it to the load impossible, unless you connect multiple loads in series...Oh and lets not forget them more turns we have the more leakage inductance and coil capacitance we are going to have to deal with.....Also, if you connect all the loads in series your voltage gets divided up across each load! See where I'm going here.

It's a difficult choice with multiple variables that need to be understood and evaluated....Right now we are still trying to understand all the variables and the requirements in balancing them.

I would love to say: Get me an E core with a wide winding area, an effective area (Ae) of 600mm^2, and an AL value of about 500 and I might be able to get something working....Then again, I might just discover another problem we have not encountered yet. That seems to be the norm with all of our efforts....And for some reason I think it was also the norm for Stan...





securesupplies

Re: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #434, on February 28th, 2014, 08:15 PM »Last edited on February 28th, 2014, 08:30 PM
Quote from HMS-776 on February 28th, 2014, 06:15 PM
You do want low resistance coils-to a point.
You want to minimize the copper losses which also minimizes the coils heating.

For VIC style 1 I think it depends on first whether or not you are charging 1 WFC or multiple WFC's. And to what voltage?
You have to consider core effective area Ae, saturation flux density, frequency range, Primary and secondary voltage, inductance of the coils in relation to the load impedance etc. There is really no simple answer. There are far to many considerations in my opinion.

Keep in mind I'm limited to step charging to only 20V across a WFC with a VIC of my own design. However, I have learned some things along the way.

Choosing the correct core is a challenge itself.....That thin core used on the 5 coil VIC was actually a good choice in some ways.
The only problem is cores with those specific characteristics are not easy to come by as we have all learned. IMO they are very close to something that might work later very well given the right design.

I have had the best luck with ferrite cores, however the AL value is high and the saturation is low with ferrites. So that poses several problems. First off for a given voltage and pulse length preventing saturation requires a large number of primary turns.....The large number of primary turns means an even greater number of secondary turns if the voltage is being stepped up......This causes the secondary coils impedance to be very high, which then makes matching it to the load impossible, unless you connect multiple loads in series...Oh and lets not forget them more turns we have the more leakage inductance and coil capacitance we are going to have to deal with.....Also, if you connect all the loads in series your voltage gets divided up across each load! See where I'm going here.

It's a difficult choice with multiple variables that need to be understood and evaluated....Right now we are still trying to understand all the variables and the requirements in balancing them.

I would love to say: Get me an E core with a wide winding area, an effective area (Ae) of 600mm^2, and an AL value of about 500 and I might be able to get something working....Then again, I might just discover another problem we have not encountered yet. That seems to be the norm with all of our efforts....And for some reason I think it was also the norm for Stan...

Current State of the Art

1 Non Carbonized - Steel Core. Vic 2
2 Magnet use to Block the Amp Bounce
3 Tpu tech of Parallel wiring to reduce amps

Links
1 http://youtu.be/WXMWvloZBgQ    ( non Carbon)
2 http://youtu.be/r8asKJNYJIY   (magnet block)
3 http://youtu.be/BtEwI8neK48      (Parallel wiring to reduce amps)
4 24-28 volt switched to Vic to reach the right volts, but stay under component limits

Comments please

Dan

Webmug

Re: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #435, on December 15th, 2014, 06:48 AM »
Quote from HMS-776 on May 31st, 2012, 10:31 AM
I have been looking at ferrite 43 for some time.
It has an initial Iu of 850.
More research has to be done before purchasing the material though.

I think this coil is really going to be a challenge to get working properly.

In the mean time I hope all will share their findings so we can have a clearer understanding of the circuit.

The more that is discussed and shared, the more we will learn.
Hi HMS,

Did you find a suitable core material to get the right inductance? Is this the one you had in mind? http://www.fair-rite.com/newfair/materials46.htm

Here you can see the differences in inductance of my two type of cores. I think 290-360perm is the range?
Link open-source-energy.org

~webmug
Re: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #436, on May 2nd, 2015, 04:01 AM »Last edited on May 4th, 2015, 03:27 AM
Quote from ~Russ on March 29th, 2012, 12:17 AM
all, i will be placing an order for the cores for the VIC Monday, as discussed before.

i have a list here and need to know if i got everyone that wanted one.

also note that we do not know if this is the correct perm... and the min order is 10 pics ( 5 sets) so if you want to wait till i see if the measurements are correct then just wait. as long as i get 5 people... we are good...

~Russ
Joshua
Sharky
Nate
Jeff
Webmug
HMS-776
Dave
Chris
haxar

the wait time is 4-6 weeks!!! so yeah...

its 106$ for the set of cores (5 pieces at $53.41 ea. MN67 material.) perm is 1200

also if your in the US  its 5$ for shipping.

if your in a another country i think i can ship for about 10-15$ but this has no tracking... so its like 60-80$ with tracking... that's your call. depending on your location. if i get your address i will have a better idea of price.

IF YOUR ORDERING I NEED YOU TO POST HERE THAT YOU WANT ONE AND THEN SEND ME A PM WITH YOUR ADDRESS AND I WILL TELL YOU HOW TO SEND ME THE FUNDING.

sweet! looking forward to it! 

Thanks! let me know by 3-31-12 please.

~Russ
Hi,

I'm looking for one core set of the MN67 material, who wants to sell his core set?

Send me a pm.

Br,
Webmug

freethisone

Re: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #437, on October 8th, 2015, 09:50 AM »Last edited on October 8th, 2015, 10:25 AM
any one can make a choking coil if you know what you want to choke.

as for stan well its a variation of this.

FREQUENCY AND POTENTIAL.
No. 568,176 Patented Sept.


fly fly

by looking at it this way it is possible Stan had a small commutator below the cells. and a small motor.. and used the cylinders of the hho tubes themselves. im not saying that is the case.

I am saying it would be a way to open and close some of the circuits and have the tubes off instead of on some of the time, or to simply do what i say or in fact Tesla had said using multiple controls together  to get the effect...


Again its easy to think of ways to advance or recognize these simple advantages set forth, the ability to \eliminate a capacitor altogether. treating the inductor itself as the capacitor in series  with the motor, or devise or the vic coils slash choking what? .

cheers..

what i am saying is this is how you do it and why, in Tesla's words by example of proof of concept.

Tesla said the choking coil is a way to add inductance. it does not choke the flux path now does it? So as you See Its Right in front of your eyes....





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of direct current. In any branch of the cir
cuit from said source, such, for example, as
would be formed by the conductors A” A”
from the mains A’ and the conductors K K,
are placed self-induction or choking coils B
B and a circuit-controller C. This latter
may be an ordinary metallic disk or cylinder
with teeth or separated segments D D E E, of
which one or more pairs, as E E, diametrically
opposite, are integral or in electrical contact
with the body of the cylinder, so that when
the controller is inthe position in which the



The object of my present improvements is
to provide a simple, compact, and effective
apparatus for producing these effects, but
adapted more particularly for direct applica
tion to and use with existing circuits carry
ing direct currents, such as the ordinary mu
nicipal incandescent-lighting circuits. The
way in which I accomplish this, so as to meet
the requirements of practical and economical
operation under the conditions present, will
be understood from a general description of
the apparatus which I have devised. In any
given circuit, which for present purposes may
be considered as conveying direct currents
or those of substantially the character of di
rect or continuous currents and which for
general purposes of illustration may be as
sumed to be a branch or derived circuit across
the mains from any ordinary source, I inter
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pose a device or devices in the nature of a
choking-coil in order to give to the circuit a
high self-induction. I also provide a circuit
controller of any proper character that may
be operated to make and break said circuit.
Around the break or point of interruption I
place a condenser or condensers to store the
energy of the discharge-current, and in a lo
cal circuit and in series with such condenser
I place the primary of a transformer, the sec
ondary of which then becomes the source of
the currents of high frequency. It will be
apparent from a consideration of the condi
tions involved that were the cendenser to be
directly charged by the current from the
source and then discharged into the Working
circuit a very large capacity would ordinarily
be required, but by the above arrangement
the current of high electromotive force which
is induced at each break of the main circuit
furnishes the proper current for charging the
condenser, which may therefore be small and
inexpensive. Moreover, it will be observed
that since the self-induction of the circuit
through which the condenser discharges, as
wellas the capacity of the condenser itself,
may be given practically any desired value,
the frequency of. the discharge-current may
be adjusted at will.
The object sought in this invention may be
realized by speci?cally different arrange
ments of apparatus,but in the drawings hereto
annexed I have illustrated forms which are
typical of the best and most practicable means
for carrying out the invention of which I am
at present aware.