Step by step VIC build

firepinto

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #200, on March 29th, 2012, 04:33 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 29th, 2012, 12:17 AM
all, i will be placing an order for the cores for the VIC Monday, as discussed before.

i have a list here and need to know if i got everyone that wanted one.

also note that we do not know if this is the correct perm... and the min order is 10 pics ( 5 sets) so if you want to wait till i see if the measurements are correct then just wait. as long as i get 5 people... we are good...

~Russ
Joshua
Sharky
Nate
Jeff
Webmug
HMS-776
Dave
Chris
haxar

the wait time is 4-6 weeks!!! so yeah...

its 106$ for the set of cores (5 pieces at $53.41 ea. MN67 material.) perm is 1200

also if your in the US  its 5$ for shipping.

if your in a another country i think i can ship for about 10-15$ but this has no tracking... so its like 60-80$ with tracking... that's your call. depending on your location. if i get your address i will have a better idea of price.

IF YOUR ORDERING I NEED YOU TO POST HERE THAT YOU WANT ONE AND THEN SEND ME A PM WITH YOUR ADDRESS AND I WILL TELL YOU HOW TO SEND ME THE FUNDING.

sweet! looking forward to it!  

Thanks! let me know by 3-31-12 please.

~Russ
I'm in for one set. :cool:

Webmug

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #201, on March 29th, 2012, 04:33 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 29th, 2012, 12:17 AM
IF YOUR ORDERING I NEED YOU TO POST HERE THAT YOU WANT ONE AND THEN SEND ME A PM WITH YOUR ADDRESS AND I WILL TELL YOU HOW TO SEND ME THE FUNDING.
Count me in ;)

Br,
Webmug

chris

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #202, on March 29th, 2012, 04:49 AM »
Hey Russ,

Yeah I'll take one.  I can donate mine to you for testing.  Let me know where and when to send the cash.

Thanks
Chris

Webmug

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #203, on March 29th, 2012, 02:02 PM »Last edited on March 29th, 2012, 11:19 PM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Russ,

Did you measure the resistance of one 3 inch WFC with a type of water in it?
Just wondering...

Br,
Webmug



Aurgus

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #204, on March 29th, 2012, 09:19 PM »
[attachment=1125]Filled up a bobbin with 29 gauge heavy build.
55.5 ohms.
Should get the 30 gauge heavy build tomorrow and try again.

~Russ

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #205, on March 29th, 2012, 11:25 PM »
Quote from Webmug on March 29th, 2012, 02:02 PM
Russ,

Did you measure the resistance of one 3 inch WFC with a type of water in it?
Just wondering...

Br,
Webmug
ummmm... looks like no.not with the new setup. i took Capacitance readings but not resistance. i will do that.

Thanks, ~Russ
RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #206, on March 29th, 2012, 11:26 PM »
Quote from Aurgus on March 29th, 2012, 09:19 PM
Filled up a bobbin with 29 gauge heavy build.
55.5 ohms.
Should get the 30 gauge heavy build tomorrow and try again.
been there done that! lol  ~Russ

Aurgus

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #207, on March 30th, 2012, 01:36 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 29th, 2012, 11:26 PM
Quote from Aurgus on March 29th, 2012, 09:19 PM
Filled up a bobbin with 29 gauge heavy build.
55.5 ohms.
Should get the 30 gauge heavy build tomorrow and try again.
been there done that! lol  ~Russ
Yeah, first time I got to play with actual size bobbin. Can put 3000 turns of 29 on my round bobbins. I have to try everything out for myself. Way too much “speculation info” out there.

HMS-776

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #208, on March 30th, 2012, 03:09 PM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 29th, 2012, 12:17 AM
all, i will be placing an order for the cores for the VIC Monday, as discussed before.

i have a list here and need to know if i got everyone that wanted one.

also note that we do not know if this is the correct perm... and the min order is 10 pics ( 5 sets) so if you want to wait till i see if the measurements are correct then just wait. as long as i get 5 people... we are good...

~Russ
Joshua
Sharky
Nate
Jeff
Webmug
HMS-776
Dave
Chris
haxar

the wait time is 4-6 weeks!!! so yeah...

its 106$ for the set of cores (5 pieces at $53.41 ea. MN67 material.) perm is 1200

also if your in the US  its 5$ for shipping.

if your in a another country i think i can ship for about 10-15$ but this has no tracking... so its like 60-80$ with tracking... that's your call. depending on your location. if i get your address i will have a better idea of price.

IF YOUR ORDERING I NEED YOU TO POST HERE THAT YOU WANT ONE AND THEN SEND ME A PM WITH YOUR ADDRESS AND I WILL TELL YOU HOW TO SEND ME THE FUNDING.

sweet! looking forward to it!  

Thanks! let me know by 3-31-12 please.

~Russ
I'm in also.

TonyWoodside

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #209, on March 30th, 2012, 04:57 PM »Last edited on March 30th, 2012, 04:58 PM by TonyWoodside
Russ put me down for a set also...I'll send my payment via PayPal.

Thanks,
Tony Woodside
Russ,
If you can send me an email with the total including shipping.
Thanks again,
Tony

gpssonar

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #210, on March 31st, 2012, 04:43 AM »
Put me down for a set also.

Thanks, Gpssonar

Sharky

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #211, on March 31st, 2012, 09:31 AM »
I was already confirmed wasn't i? If not, ... i want a set as well :)

Webmug

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #212, on March 31st, 2012, 09:59 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 29th, 2012, 11:25 PM
Quote from Webmug on March 29th, 2012, 02:02 PM
Russ,

Did you measure the resistance of one 3 inch WFC with a type of water in it?
Just wondering...

Br,
Webmug
ummmm... looks like no.not with the new setup. i took Capacitance readings but not resistance. i will do that.

Thanks, ~Russ
The reason why I ask.

Distiled water 1 µS/cm
Rain water 30-60 µS/cm
Sea water 42 mS/cm = 42.000 µS/cm
Drinking water 500-2.000 µS/cm

Br,
Webmug

~Russ

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #213, on March 31st, 2012, 07:20 PM »
ok, so here is the list of people that are ordering. and have paid/send funds.

haxar
Jeff Nading
firepinto
Webmug
chris
HMS-776
TonyWoodside
gpssonar
Sharky
Dave
Joshua

if your not on the list please inform me.

it looks like i will need to wait till the funds will transfer to my bank. Then i will place the order. so it may be 2-3 days... i was hoping for Monday to place the order but i need to wait till paypal transfers the funds... so it may be Wednesday... ill get it ordered asap!  

i will keep everyone informed on when they have them done and when i get them shipped here on this thread. they quoted me 4-5 weeks for lead time...

that's s chunk of change... hope for the best!

thanks guys! ~Russ

HMS-776

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #214, on March 31st, 2012, 10:51 PM »Last edited on March 31st, 2012, 10:55 PM by HMS-776
I think we are on the right track with those cores, I only wish the wait time was not so long:(

Just started winding the coils today using my mini lathe. First layer on the primary came out to about 115 turns. I only wish I could set the auto feed right.

One thing I recommend to anyone winding these coils (after much frusteration) is to make a turns counter. I made one (see pic) using a pedometer from the dollar store and a miniature reed switch from ebay. Total cost = $4. The turns counter saves a great deal of time and hassle, and for $4 it's really a gimmie!

Hope everybody's building projects are going well, I feel like I'm behind....But then again with a few weeks for the cores I'm sure I'll catch up:)

~Russ

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #215, on April 1st, 2012, 03:10 AM »Last edited on April 1st, 2012, 03:12 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from HMS-776 on March 31st, 2012, 10:51 PM
I think we are on the right track with those cores, I only wish the wait time was not so long:(

Just started winding the coils today using my mini lathe. First layer on the primary came out to about 115 turns. I only wish I could set the auto feed right.

One thing I recommend to anyone winding these coils (after much frusteration) is to make a turns counter. I made one (see pic) using a pedometer from the dollar store and a miniature reed switch from ebay. Total cost = $4. The turns counter saves a great deal of time and hassle, and for $4 it's really a gimmie!

Hope everybody's building projects are going well, I feel like I'm behind....But then again with a few weeks for the cores I'm sure I'll catch up:)
real nice setup, i also used a calculator and a pedometer in this setup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAH12a8-C1s

 but the main prob is it would not keep up. the refresh rate was too slow...

just keep that in mind! looks good! ~Russ

Webmug

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #216, on April 1st, 2012, 08:15 AM »
Quote from Webmug on March 31st, 2012, 09:59 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 29th, 2012, 11:25 PM
Quote from Webmug on March 29th, 2012, 02:02 PM
Russ,

Did you measure the resistance of one 3 inch WFC with a type of water in it?
Just wondering...

Br,
Webmug
ummmm... looks like no.not with the new setup. i took Capacitance readings but not resistance. i will do that.

Thanks, ~Russ
The reason why I ask.

Distiled water 1 µS/cm
Rain water 30-60 µS/cm
Sea water 42 mS/cm = 42.000 µS/cm
Drinking water 500-2.000 µS/cm

Br,
Webmug
What I am telling is that a 'NORMAL' capacitor wouldn't have 'RESISTANCE' to form a critically damped RLC to create 'UNIPOLAR' charging pulses.

What type of water are you going for?

Br,
Webmug

HMS-776

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #217, on April 1st, 2012, 10:20 AM »Last edited on April 1st, 2012, 01:49 PM by HMS-776
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 1st, 2012, 03:10 AM
Quote from HMS-776 on March 31st, 2012, 10:51 PM
I think we are on the right track with those cores, I only wish the wait time was not so long:(

Just started winding the coils today using my mini lathe. First layer on the primary came out to about 115 turns. I only wish I could set the auto feed right.

One thing I recommend to anyone winding these coils (after much frusteration) is to make a turns counter. I made one (see pic) using a pedometer from the dollar store and a miniature reed switch from ebay. Total cost = $4. The turns counter saves a great deal of time and hassle, and for $4 it's really a gimmie!

Hope everybody's building projects are going well, I feel like I'm behind....But then again with a few weeks for the cores I'm sure I'll catch up:)
real nice setup, i also used a calculator and a pedometer in this setup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAH12a8-C1s

 but the main prob is it would not keep up. the refresh rate was too slow...

just keep that in mind! looks good! ~Russ
So far mine has worked out well...But I also noticed if you go too fast it will not keep up. Winding these coils I could not go very fast as I want to make sure there are no overlaps or gaps between windings (that causes increased winding capacitance).

I must say your work on the EPG is very impressive...Hope to see you get it working one day:)


Jeff Nading

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #218, on April 1st, 2012, 07:04 PM »
Quote from HMS-776 on April 1st, 2012, 10:20 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 1st, 2012, 03:10 AM
Quote from HMS-776 on March 31st, 2012, 10:51 PM
I think we are on the right track with those cores, I only wish the wait time was not so long:(

Just started winding the coils today using my mini lathe. First layer on the primary came out to about 115 turns. I only wish I could set the auto feed right.

One thing I recommend to anyone winding these coils (after much frusteration) is to make a turns counter. I made one (see pic) using a pedometer from the dollar store and a miniature reed switch from ebay. Total cost = $4. The turns counter saves a great deal of time and hassle, and for $4 it's really a gimmie!

Hope everybody's building projects are going well, I feel like I'm behind....But then again with a few weeks for the cores I'm sure I'll catch up:)
real nice setup, i also used a calculator and a pedometer in this setup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAH12a8-C1s

 but the main prob is it would not keep up. the refresh rate was too slow...

just keep that in mind! looks good! ~Russ
So far mine has worked out well...But I also noticed if you go too fast it will not keep up. Winding these coils I could not go very fast as I want to make sure there are no overlaps or gaps between windings (that causes increased winding capacitance).

I must say your work on the EPG is very impressive...Hope to see you get it working one day:)
Say guy's this could be adapted to wind coils with, just using the stepper motor, not the lathe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlVkz9vNAEo&feature=endscreen&NR=1


firepinto

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #219, on April 1st, 2012, 08:18 PM »
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 1st, 2012, 07:04 PM
Say guy's this could be adapted to wind coils with, just using the stepper motor, not the lathe.
I've thought some on that, would be cool to use a stepper to do the winding also.  Then turns can be calculated by steps in the arduino.  Could also use an optical wheel to calculate wire length.  Would have to go through the same calibration steps as a reprap.  Too bad I don't know much about arduino programming. lol

Nate

Jeff Nading

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #220, on April 2nd, 2012, 06:05 AM »
Quote from firepinto on April 1st, 2012, 08:18 PM
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 1st, 2012, 07:04 PM
Say guy's this could be adapted to wind coils with, just using the stepper motor, not the lathe.
I've thought some on that, would be cool to use a stepper to do the winding also.  Then turns can be calculated by steps in the arduino.  Could also use an optical wheel to calculate wire length.  Would have to go through the same calibration steps as a reprap.  Too bad I don't know much about arduino programming. lol

Nate
That would really be cool :cool: if someone could program that for us:D:P


Webmug

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #221, on April 2nd, 2012, 06:14 AM »
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 2nd, 2012, 06:05 AM
Quote from firepinto on April 1st, 2012, 08:18 PM
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 1st, 2012, 07:04 PM
Say guy's this could be adapted to wind coils with, just using the stepper motor, not the lathe.
I've thought some on that, would be cool to use a stepper to do the winding also.  Then turns can be calculated by steps in the arduino.  Could also use an optical wheel to calculate wire length.  Would have to go through the same calibration steps as a reprap.  Too bad I don't know much about arduino programming. lol

Nate
That would really be cool :cool: if someone could program that for us:D:P
Something like this would be awesome, but too expensive for me.

http://www.ukcnc.net/forums/showthread.php?105-Pictures-of-final-production-Coil-Winding-machine

http://www.ukcnc.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?4-CNC-Coil-Winder

Also a coil tensioner, wire guide is very handy.

Br,
Webmug

Jeff Nading

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #222, on April 2nd, 2012, 06:29 AM »
Quote from Webmug on April 2nd, 2012, 06:14 AM
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 2nd, 2012, 06:05 AM
Quote from firepinto on April 1st, 2012, 08:18 PM
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 1st, 2012, 07:04 PM
Say guy's this could be adapted to wind coils with, just using the stepper motor, not the lathe.
I've thought some on that, would be cool to use a stepper to do the winding also.  Then turns can be calculated by steps in the arduino.  Could also use an optical wheel to calculate wire length.  Would have to go through the same calibration steps as a reprap.  Too bad I don't know much about arduino programming. lol

Nate
That would really be cool :cool: if someone could program that for us:D:P
Something like this would be awesome, but too expensive for me.

http://www.ukcnc.net/forums/showthread.php?105-Pictures-of-final-production-Coil-Winding-machine

http://www.ukcnc.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?4-CNC-Coil-Winder

Also a coil tensioner, wire guide is very handy.

Br,
Webmug
Yes to pricey, but that just gave me another idea. If someone has an old style fishing reel, they could use the gearbox off of it to feed the wire from the left to the right and back again, drive it from the stepper while it is turning the spool to be wound, or you could print gears with an automatic reversing lever to do the same thing.

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #223, on April 2nd, 2012, 08:55 AM »Last edited on April 2nd, 2012, 09:06 AM by Jeff Nading
Russ have you seen this from Irondmaxx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6jOmtRt5tA&feature=digest_mon
He says the reason for the gap is to adjust the PM of the core, so if we buy 2000 PM we could adjust what is needed, if we buy 1000PM we won't . The guy is very irritating but he could be right, don't know, you make the choice and I will follow, just want to make an educated decision which I know you will, I trust your judgement, thanks Jeff.

firepinto

RE: Step by step VIC build
« Reply #224, on April 2nd, 2012, 02:42 PM »
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 2nd, 2012, 06:29 AM
Quote from Webmug on April 2nd, 2012, 06:14 AM
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 2nd, 2012, 06:05 AM
Quote from firepinto on April 1st, 2012, 08:18 PM
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 1st, 2012, 07:04 PM
Say guy's this could be adapted to wind coils with, just using the stepper motor, not the lathe.
I've thought some on that, would be cool to use a stepper to do the winding also.  Then turns can be calculated by steps in the arduino.  Could also use an optical wheel to calculate wire length.  Would have to go through the same calibration steps as a reprap.  Too bad I don't know much about arduino programming. lol

Nate
That would really be cool :cool: if someone could program that for us:D:P
Something like this would be awesome, but too expensive for me.

http://www.ukcnc.net/forums/showthread.php?105-Pictures-of-final-production-Coil-Winding-machine

http://www.ukcnc.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?4-CNC-Coil-Winder

Also a coil tensioner, wire guide is very handy.

Br,
Webmug
Yes to pricey, but that just gave me another idea. If someone has an old style fishing reel, they could use the gearbox off of it to feed the wire from the left to the right and back again, drive it from the stepper while it is turning the spool to be wound, or you could print gears with an automatic reversing lever to do the same thing.
I've seen that one working on Youtube.  Pretty awesome.  I think we could print one out with all the pieces parts to make it go.  If we build it ... they will come(programmers that is)..:P

I've had some of those fishing reels, they feed the line so that it crosses each layer a little bit so that the line doesn't get pulled down into the spool when a fish hits.  I think we are looking for a slight movement of the thickness of the wire per turn.  

Nate