Jeff!
Is that a plasma router you have on your avatar pic?
I have bought a stepper motor controller and have plans to build my own router.
Is there any way to see what kind of linear bearings and slide you used?
Regards /Janne Ström
Janne - earlier on in this list Bob Rohner said that although premixed gases were available, the accuracy wasn't good. Maybe better to get multiple gases if you can afford it. Given the results Russ had with Hydrogen, it would seem a good idea, while you're waiting, to start testing with that. It's easy to make by electrolysis. Another gas to try would be Carbon Dioxide (also easy to get) and maybe a mix of that with Hydrogen. Extra measurements are useful in working out what happens, and the initial practice with cheap gases may make the expensive ones last longer.
On another subject, there's some discussion on Vortex of the Papp process and the current PowerGen exhibition. Worth looking at http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg73872.html and reading what Abd says and subsequent posts (Axil among them). For what it's worth, he says what I would if I could write that well. Axil, as ever, brings a lot of interesting ideas in.
I agree Simon, individual gasses would be the way to go.Quote from simonderricutt on December 12th, 2012, 02:36 PM Janne - earlier on in this list Bob Rohner said that although premixed gases were available, the accuracy wasn't good. Maybe better to get multiple gases if you can afford it. Given the results Russ had with Hydrogen, it would seem a good idea, while you're waiting, to start testing with that. It's easy to make by electrolysis. Another gas to try would be Carbon Dioxide (also easy to get) and maybe a mix of that with Hydrogen. Extra measurements are useful in working out what happens, and the initial practice with cheap gases may make the expensive ones last longer.
On another subject, there's some discussion on Vortex of the Papp process and the current PowerGen exhibition. Worth looking at http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg73872.html and reading what Abd says and subsequent posts (Axil among them). For what it's worth, he says what I would if I could write that well. Axil, as ever, brings a lot of interesting ideas in.
Janne just be careful with the hydrogen, you'll want to evacuate the system under test to remove all oxygen, before you fire any or the HV spark, :angel: please be safe.
Simon thanks for the link, I'll check it out.:D
“People are very appreciative of Russ because he's getting his hands dirty, and that is indeed to be commended. But that's not enough. Cold fusion flopped about for years with people trying to make reliable heat. Scientifically, the field did not shift until Miles did much more than that: he measured helium as correlated with heat, which can cut through mountains of BS. And which did. That was a huge amount of work, he had to run many experiments, at the same time as he was losing funding and support, and it was difficult, to get published and he faced some serious -- and seriously silly -- opposition, from no less than Steve Jones, who never saw a real cold fusion result beyond his own tiny reported effect, that he didn't dislike.”
I must have missed that about John Rohner and the mixed gases.Quote from Jeff Nading on December 12th, 2012, 02:48 PM I agree Simon, individual gasses would be the way to go.Quote from simonderricutt on December 12th, 2012, 02:36 PM Janne - earlier on in this list Bob Rohner said that although premixed gases were available, the accuracy wasn't good. Maybe better to get multiple gases if you can afford it. Given the results Russ had with Hydrogen, it would seem a good idea, while you're waiting, to start testing with that. It's easy to make by electrolysis. Another gas to try would be Carbon Dioxide (also easy to get) and maybe a mix of that with Hydrogen. Extra measurements are useful in working out what happens, and the initial practice with cheap gases may make the expensive ones last longer.
On another subject, there's some discussion on Vortex of the Papp process and the current PowerGen exhibition. Worth looking at http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg73872.html and reading what Abd says and subsequent posts (Axil among them). For what it's worth, he says what I would if I could write that well. Axil, as ever, brings a lot of interesting ideas in.
Janne just be careful with the hydrogen, you'll want to evacuate the system under test to remove all oxygen, before you fire any or the HV spark, :angel: please be safe.
Simon thanks for the link, I'll check it out.:D
I have a bottle of Hydrogen, from my E-cat replication experiments and i have a bottle of Argon for my Tig Welder.
I checked at "AGA" the Swedish gas company and they have a standard gas mix of Argon and Helium, maybe that can be used for a start.
I was thinking of balloon Helium, but ive heard that they add "air" to the bottle to prevent accidents inhaling it.
Anyone know it this is true?
/Janne
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax on vortex stated:Someone posted on Russ’s site that most of the videos about the Papp engine are currently disabled. I checked a few and its true.Quote “People are very appreciative of Russ because he's getting his hands dirty, and that is indeed to be commended. But that's not enough. Cold fusion flopped about for years with people trying to make reliable heat. Scientifically, the field did not shift until Miles did much more than that: he measured helium as correlated with heat, which can cut through mountains of BS. And which did. That was a huge amount of work, he had to run many experiments, at the same time as he was losing funding and support, and it was difficult, to get published and he faced some serious -- and seriously silly -- opposition, from no less than Steve Jones, who never saw a real cold fusion result beyond his own tiny reported effect, that he didn't dislike.”
Why would the Rohners do this? Could it be that the open source Papp engine effort is just far too productive for comfort? Could it be that Russ has done more to bring back the Papp technology in a month than the Rohner’s have accomplished in 30 years?
Russ back engineered the Papp popper hardware down to the centimeter right from those videos; a very impressive accomplishment in my opinion.
We all know that the best way to motivate the development of any product is to encourage fierce competition.
The first developer who can demonstrate over unity in power production will have all those disgruntled Rohner investors… you get the idea.
Even without the explicit intention, I think that could be underway shortly.
The Papp engine is just so attractive that it inspires con men and charlatans in unlimited numbers including Papp himself.
The Rohners spent years learning at the feet of Grandfather Papp, all of it, the good, the bad and the ugly.
For all those who would aspire to the vision and the dream that the true Papp technology can be, these men of good and stout heart must be ever vigilant and watchful of scandal in this regard.
I am sure that if there is anything to the Papp engine, Russ and his friends will dig it out in the most up front, honest, straightforward and well documented manner that they can muster.
Cross posted on vortex.
Russ I think this may work.
12-volt battery hooked up to power inverter
http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=power+inverter
12 volts is converter to 110/120 ac
110/120 ac goes to bridge rectifier = 100 + dc volts going to capacitors
Caps are hooked to electrodes.
HV is also hooked to electrodes.
When HV is pulsed then caps discharge.
Battery should be safe from HV because of bridge rectifier and power inverter in between.
Advantage of using battery with power inverter is portability of system and battery can be recharged from an alternator.
I’ve tried looking at what would happen by hooking HV to the dc + and – outputs of a bridge rectifier instead of the normal ac inputs and from what I can tell I don’t think any HV will pass back into the ac supply. So power inverter should safe.
This is theoretical so should be tested with precautions.
I watched your live show (cap stuff) and noticed you stacked many 12 batteries to raise the dc voltage so a power inverter should solve that problem by using only one 12 V battery.
element 119
Russ,
Papp dissociates deoxygenated water to produce
a corona containing "atomic" hydrogen and applies
a burst of electrons via capacitors to create a
plasma of H + - => H- which rapidly expands because
of electrostatic repulsion.
RWG dissociates H2 to produce a corona containing
"atomic" hydrogen and applies
a burst of electrons via capacitors to create a
plasma of H + - => H- which rapidly expands because
of electrostatic repulsion.
Congratulations! That is a patentable discovery.
It's all about explosive bursts into high energy
plasma, shall we say clouds. You did this. Please
do not neglect chamber shape (Toroids Referenced)
electromagnet field influences and radio frequency
injection. Electronics are important but of a
secondary nature, mostly already studied and
solved by yourself.
May God continue to guide you and nurture your
gifts to proceed to even more fundamental
discoveries.
Chan
thanks element, yeah that is a way of getting from 12V to what ever the inverter is... the main prob with an inverter is that there not efficient at all. some lower than 50%...Quote from element 119 on December 11th, 2012, 09:16 AM Russ I think this may work.
12-volt battery hooked up to power inverter
http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=power+inverter
12 volts is converter to 110/120 ac
110/120 ac goes to bridge rectifier = 100 + dc volts going to capacitors
Caps are hooked to electrodes.
HV is also hooked to electrodes.
When HV is pulsed then caps discharge.
Battery should be safe from HV because of bridge rectifier and power inverter in between.
Advantage of using battery with power inverter is portability of system and battery can be recharged from an alternator.
I’ve tried looking at what would happen by hooking HV to the dc + and – outputs of a bridge rectifier instead of the normal ac inputs and from what I can tell I don’t think any HV will pass back into the ac supply. So power inverter should safe.
This is theoretical so should be tested with precautions.
I watched your live show (cap stuff) and noticed you stacked many 12 batteries to raise the dc voltage so a power inverter should solve that problem by using only one 12 V battery.
element 119
that was just for quick testing. i have that varic and step up transformer for the finial test stages.
but once we get to a motor application i hope to get some feed back to boost the caps up... i have a feeling that i will need to got in to the 1000 volt range with a much lower capacitance to achieve what we are looking for... more testing is still needed.
ps. the rectifier would not make it through some of the high voltage i put on it unless its the correct voltage rating... or so i would think. any how. thanks for the idea.
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax on vortex stated:Someone posted on Russ’s site that most of the videos about the Papp engine are currently disabled. I checked a few and its true.Quote “People are very appreciative of Russ because he's getting his hands dirty, and that is indeed to be commended. But that's not enough. Cold fusion flopped about for years with people trying to make reliable heat. Scientifically, the field did not shift until Miles did much more than that: he measured helium as correlated with heat, which can cut through mountains of BS. And which did. That was a huge amount of work, he had to run many experiments, at the same time as he was losing funding and support, and it was difficult, to get published and he faced some serious -- and seriously silly -- opposition, from no less than Steve Jones, who never saw a real cold fusion result beyond his own tiny reported effect, that he didn't dislike.”
Why would the Rohners do this? Could it be that the open source Papp engine effort is just far too productive for comfort? Could it be that Russ has done more to bring back the Papp technology in a month than the Rohner’s have accomplished in 30 years?
Russ back engineered the Papp popper hardware down to the centimeter right from those videos; a very impressive accomplishment in my opinion.
We all know that the best way to motivate the development of any product is to encourage fierce competition.
The first developer who can demonstrate over unity in power production will have all those disgruntled Rohner investors… you get the idea.
Even without the explicit intention, I think that could be underway shortly.
The Papp engine is just so attractive that it inspires con men and charlatans in unlimited numbers including Papp himself.
The Rohners spent years learning at the feet of Grandfather Papp, all of it, the good, the bad and the ugly.
For all those who would aspire to the vision and the dream that the true Papp technology can be, these men of good and stout heart must be ever vigilant and watchful of scandal in this regard.
I am sure that if there is anything to the Papp engine, Russ and his friends will dig it out in the most up front, honest, straightforward and well documented manner that they can muster.
Cross posted on vortex.
Draft letter to Dr, Truchard as follows:
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I am contacting Dr. James Truchard President, CEO, and Cofounder of National Instruments(NI) as a representative of Russ Gries, an amateur experimentalist who has completed the initial proof of concept stage in the replication of the Papp engine based on information contained in the expired patents of Josef Papp the inventor of this device.
In more detail, the Papp engine is a device which is famous in the LENR(cold fusion) community for its over unity energy production characteristics.
Unfortunately, the capability to build this engine was lost when Josef Papp died in April 1989. Russ Gries intends to resurrect this engine technology to assess the validity of Papp’s claims.
After a promising proof of concept stage, Russ Gries has now entered into the data acquisition stage of this project which will eventually lead to an assessment of the over unity energy production claims made about the Papp engine.
This request for support is inspired by the presentation made at a recent National Instruments conference supporting Low Energy nuclear reactions (LENR).
At about 15:00 into the following presentation Dr. James Truchard President, CEO, and Cofounder of NI offered a free copy of LabView to researchers working in the field of Cold Fusion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...xjxFdFEBsw
This inquiry asks if this offer of support and/or product discounts for Cold Fusion research from Dr, Truchard and NI still stands and further wonders if Dr, James Truchard and NI is willing to support Russ Gries in his experimentation.
Please address your reply to Russ Gries directly as follows:
provide Russ Gries Contact inforation
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Possible contact site as follows:
https://sine.ni.com/apps/utf8/nicc.call_...try=United States&p_lang_id=US&p_form_id=6
Also Dr, Truchard has a FaceBook page and communication might be made through that site.
heres a link to a vid http://www.inteligentry.com/shared/firmtest.html
and heres a behind the scenes of the noble gas engine or lack there of they even built a plasmerg popper http://www.donbot.com/Enerbot/LENR/Inteligentry/Intg000IndexToInteligentry.html
heres the popper http://www.donbot.com/Enerbot/LENR/Inteligentry/Corr/Corr2012-10-16WithJimMc-NewPopper.html
MAIN_MCU_1.0_8pin now modified to support a 2 cylinder, (or a 4 cylinder) controller. For either a 2 or 4 cylinder engine, we only need to output two different pulses, one at 0 degrees, and one at 180 degrees. I originally was thinking 2 outputs for a 2 cylinder and 4 outputs for a 4 cylinder, but I was thinking wrong :s
So, the unused pin (#3) (reserved for 'ignition enable' input) has now been setup as an output for the Cyl 180 degree signal. New version is fully backward compatible for the single cylinder design.
In the 'Open - Source - Projects' section:
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=822&pid=9919#pid9919
I have been copying the entire site I just cant figure out how to save the video. A lot of interesting info.Quote EZ:
Hmm i think we have to play your last link in a silent way.ssssttt.. and so.. lets copy and download what we can b4 they find out.!!
The .asm files provided can be viewed and edited within the MPLAB IDE software available from Microchip (free download)
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is this our final draft?Quote Draft letter to Dr, Truchard as follows:
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I am contacting Dr. James Truchard President, CEO, and Cofounder of National Instruments(NI) as a representative of Russ Gries, an amateur experimentalist who has completed the initial proof of concept stage in the replication of the Papp engine based on information contained in the expired patents of Josef Papp the inventor of this device.
In more detail, the Papp engine is a device which is famous in the LENR(cold fusion) community for its over unity energy production characteristics.
Unfortunately, the capability to build this engine was lost when Josef Papp died in April 1989. Russ Gries intends to resurrect this engine technology to assess the validity of Papp’s claims.
After a promising proof of concept stage, Russ Gries has now entered into the data acquisition stage of this project which will eventually lead to an assessment of the over unity energy production claims made about the Papp engine.
This request for support is inspired by the presentation made at a recent National Instruments conference supporting Low Energy nuclear reactions (LENR).
At about 15:00 into the following presentation Dr. James Truchard President, CEO, and Cofounder of NI offered a free copy of LabView to researchers working in the field of Cold Fusion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...xjxFdFEBsw
This inquiry asks if this offer of support and/or product discounts for Cold Fusion research from Dr, Truchard and NI still stands and further wonders if Dr, James Truchard and NI is willing to support Russ Gries in his experimentation.
Please address your reply to Russ Gries directly as follows:
provide Russ Gries Contact inforation
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Possible contact site as follows:
https://sine.ni.com/apps/utf8/nicc.call_...try=United States&p_lang_id=US&p_form_id=6
Also Dr, Truchard has a FaceBook page and communication might be made through that site.
i will need to edit it if i send it my self. i was thinking some one else was going to send it. any how did anyone send it? and if not will need to do it but re-word at as it will be coming from me... ? Thanks , ~Russ