The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017





Matt Watts

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #755, on December 30th, 2017, 12:08 PM »
Quote from ~Russ on December 30th, 2017, 04:02 AM
Oh man...
The behavior of your JWN replica motor is quite revealing.  It doesn't accelerate as one would think of a typical DC motor.  Instead, the rotor appears to orbit, like some sort of electro-mechanical flywheel.  Not at all what I expected to see and not what I would define as "predictable behavior".  I surely need to think about this some more.

Does the shaft have much in the way of torque when it's rotating?


Anyway, great job Russ!  A really nice platform to better understand Newman's principals.  Hopefully you have many demonstrations lined up using it.  Maybe if we all see it from many different perspectives, some of us will start to get our heads wrapped around what is really going on here.

jbignes5

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #756, on December 30th, 2017, 07:17 PM »Last edited on December 30th, 2017, 09:39 PM
 Ok I did some digging on this and you only have half of the setup that Newman had...

 Go back and check the WO8300963A1.pdf file and go to page 55. You have figure 5 but only the motor part. There is a second coil that stacks on the opposite end of the primary coil. This other coil is labeled 206 with load on it. You can put it besides the primary with loose coupling or what he termed longitudinally or stacked opposite of the magnet side as in the case of his patent machine.
 The patent machine had two coils on one form with the magnet spinning on one end of one coil called the primary or motor coil or coil # 205. The secondary coil is the generator coil or load coil or coil # 206.
 You have built coil 205 with the spinning magnet off to the side. You now need to put a second coil besides the coil you got and hook your load to that one or feed it back to the commutator to boost the speed or charge the bats from the load coil as far as I am reading it.

 In essence this is the Tesla rotating transformer That I emailed you about. This is yet another version of that. In Tesla's version he used the 90 degree difference between the rotor and field coils to facilitate the rotating transformer part. If you checked or slowed the rotor coil it would bring the rotor and field coils out of sync and a huge current would be generated in the rotor coil as the fields of the field coils cut the rotor coil generating huge currents to try to bring it back into synchronous balance.

 Look at the patent I will include here again from Tesla.

 https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/us-patent-390721-dynamo-electric-machine

 Now compare it to the Newman 1981 patent on page 55 diagram 5.
 and start around page 29 or so to see the description as he understood it.

 They are basically the very same thing. Although I am suspecting he didn't know to much about the process. He did try to explain it but his definition was flawed. Now that we know the magnetic field is always outside of the wire we can infer he was partially right that the atoms aligned and allowed a flow of magnetic plasma to form around the wire. More turn of wire=higher voltage=more plasma to condense around the wires.

 Take some time and compare the two. Just hear me out on this. Look closely at the two patents and look at the fields and how they cut the coils in each one.

 What is different is the idea of mass as a converter and not a source of energy. Newman's device didn't consume anything, hence e=mc2 is a pointless idea. A certain mass that is segmented more will develop a stronger magnetic field for less input. I think Newman was grasping to find answers to what he was seeing and couldn't explain it because of a lack of understanding of that point. After all it was Tesla who figured that out after replicating the Faraday generator. His improvements to the Faraday generator were due to the segmenting of the disk. But I digress..

 Is it possible that a special form of bifilar coil was used not in serial mode but in partial parallel mode? Like your abha coil?

 P.S. Don't get me wrong I am not bashing Newman at all but he himself admitted he was a country boy. Self taught with what was available to him. We now know a bunch more about the environment and new way to understand that environment. Plasma science has opened up new avenues and a better understanding of induction and how a capacitor can store it's charge between the plates in the dielectric. Something is there holding that charge and it is not current.





sonnet

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #761, on December 31st, 2017, 05:48 AM »Last edited on December 31st, 2017, 05:56 AM
So moving forward, if I was with you there Russ I'd be asking for the sloppiness in the brushes to be fixed first and foremost. The movement and chatter relative to the commutator will induce arcing and bad timing. The arc may even jump to different segments when this is at its worst so think this is going to have to be a priority.
Once fixed your real problems will be more clear, speed...you are running too slow you need speed to decrease power draw and a benefit to the coil. The coil  will like not being charged up fully...this should stop the current flow from delaying the oscillation....so speed has to increase. probably by a factor of 6....didn't see your rpm speed...so pure guess.
I think you already know this, and I hate being a back seat driver....who the hell am I to postulate....all good intentions are meant....
keep up the good work.
Regards


Matt Watts

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #762, on December 31st, 2017, 02:40 PM »
Quote from sonnet on December 31st, 2017, 05:48 AM
So moving forward, if I was with you there Russ I'd be asking for the sloppiness in the brushes to be fixed first and foremost.
That's not the issue.

The problem is the un-sloppiness of the coil.  With a coil so perfectly wound you have zero magnetic augmentation.  Without augmentation, you're DiW.


Magneton

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #764, on January 1st, 2018, 01:12 PM »
Hello everyone,
I am back in Cincinnati after one heck of a time with Russ the last few days. (Russ is such an awesome guy, by the way) So we observed some things which maybe the “theory” guys can digest and comment on. The coil when we first fired it up was running on just the commutator and the 9V battery pack. It turned relatively slowly and drew around 6ma at 500V. But it did run. I had left a several foot long end on the coil wires so it would be easy to hook up. The wire was in the way so I coiled it up and put a small piece of tape around it. This little coil was hanging in the air a couple inches from the outside of the coil.  I saw it moving in time to the pulses of the rotor and when I stuck my finger on it, it zapped me.  The second thing we noticed was that if you placed your hand near the main coil but not touching you could feel a cool wind blowing against your hand but there was no “pulse” feeling. If however you put your hand directly on the coil (I expected to get zapped royally but nothing happened) you could feel it rhythmically thumping in time with the rotor.  When we hooked up the 0.85 uF 2000V cap across the brushes an amazing thing happened. The wind went away. The rhythmic thumping quit. And the rotor speed up about 6 times the RPM and the current draw on the batteries went up to around 30+ milliamps and the brushes sparked a lot more vigorously. Without the cap, it seemed like it was fighting itself (back EMF maybe, I am not sure). It ran with relatively low current draw but very slow RPM. It sped way up with the cap so the magnetic field the coil generated had to be stronger or it quit fighting itself.  If it was fighting itself I would have thought the current consumption would have decreased, but in fact the current consumption went up quite a bit.
So if anyone has any ideas please share.

haxar

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #765, on January 1st, 2018, 02:30 PM »Last edited on January 1st, 2018, 02:37 PM
Quote from Magneton on January 1st, 2018, 01:12 PM
It turned relatively slowly and drew around 6ma at 500V.
Quote from Magneton on January 1st, 2018, 01:12 PM
When we hooked up the 0.85 uF 2000V cap across the brushes an amazing thing happened. The wind went away. The rhythmic thumping quit. And the rotor speed up about 6 times the RPM and the current draw on the batteries went up to around 30+ milliamps and the brushes sparked a lot more vigorously.
6mA w/o cap * 6 times the RPM w/ cap = 36mA

Not a significant amount of current draw. Looks like it persists linearly.
Quote from Magneton on January 1st, 2018, 01:12 PM
Without the cap, it seemed like it was fighting itself (back EMF maybe, I am not sure). It ran with relatively low current draw but very slow RPM. It sped way up with the cap so the magnetic field the coil generated had to be stronger or it quit fighting itself.  If it was fighting itself I would have thought the current consumption would have decreased, but in fact the current consumption went up quite a bit.
All that energy (charge) has to go somewhere -> "0.85 uF 2000V cap"



Magneton

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #768, on January 1st, 2018, 02:47 PM »Last edited on January 1st, 2018, 02:56 PM
and why did the little coil of wire shock me but the big coil was not at all shocking.  it is the same wire... 180000 turns, lay hand on it, no shocks, end of same wire coiled up about 6 3inch turns, touch it while on and zap, zap, touch 180000 turn coil and no zaps

sonnet

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #769, on January 1st, 2018, 03:16 PM »
@ magneton..
Why did the small coil shock you?
I can only guess at the fact the small coil was within the range of the magnetic field of the large coil and possibly a transformer effect shocked you...you being a path of least resistance...for the small coil..

Funny you should say it sped up by 6 times...
The whole circuit seemed as though it was slow...working against itself, as like a generator shorted, the power going no where.
Don't forget in this manifestation the magnets are only getting pushed by half the coils magnetic field, so maybe speed is restricted by that factor too.

sonnet

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #770, on January 1st, 2018, 03:21 PM »
@ Russ
Not caught up with all those vids yet Russ, some hours there chap...Lol
Could the wind felt on the coil be described better as a temperature difference inducing air movement?

sonnet

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #771, on January 1st, 2018, 03:26 PM »
I would like to think that the magnetic field around that coil would act as a magnetic pump. Like a hydromagnetic pump does in water...but in your case moving the air molecules slowly around the area of the coil...that's what I expect you to be feeling when you state coil wind.
 

Magneton

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #772, on January 1st, 2018, 03:33 PM »
Quote from sonnet on January 1st, 2018, 03:21 PM
@ Russ
Not caught up with all those vids yet Russ, some hours there chap...Lol
Could the wind felt on the coil be described better as a temperature difference inducing air movement?
I don't think so because it was same temperature and same hand when we hooked up the cap, but no "wind" effect

Magneton

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #773, on January 1st, 2018, 03:34 PM »
Quote from sonnet on January 1st, 2018, 03:26 PM
I would like to think that the magnetic field around that coil would act as a magnetic pump. Like a hydromagnetic pump does in water...but in your case moving the air molecules slowly around the area of the coil...that's what I expect you to be feeling when you state coil wind.
I am pretty sure the magnetic field was stronger with the cap as the rotor speed up, but the effect went away when the cap was hooked up

Magneton

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #774, on January 1st, 2018, 03:36 PM »
it seemed like an effect similar to St. Elmo's Fire except there were no "sparks" at least none we could see with the lights off