the little end (where the small coil was) was the wire from the inner most winding of the coil (close to the center bobbin) but when we put our hand on the coil it was the outer winding. I have no idea why there would be HV on the inner part of the coil and no HV on the outer part. There were no diodes in the circuit anywhere and the polarity switched every half rotation of the rotor.

This is where this concept diverges from conventional circuit theory.

With diodes, resistors and conditioned power input the current is taken as given to be on a given vector, path, direction and quality. With the generator being a device of a concept of open elemental interaction (as happens at the transform of our conventional mechanical generator brush magnet) the power reacts and transforms in a self adjusting manner from entropy to the geometry of the mechanism in direction and form.   

Magneton

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right, charge went into the cap, but why did that make the rotor speed up?

I have done most of these experiments and the reason why the rotor speeds up is pretty straight forward. If you send a HV low current pulse into a coil the magnetic field is very weak because the magnetic field strength is solely a function of the current flow. Low current = weak magnetic field, and when you add a capacitor in parallel to the coil part of the current going through the coil charges the capacitor as well. However when the capacitor discharges with a higher current and a stronger magnetic field it produces a stronger interaction with the magnet.

Think of it this way... I have ran a rectified Tesla coil up to 500 KV DC and there is no noticeable effect on a nearby magnet. Now add a capacitor to store part of the energy and the discharge produces a large current which does have an effect on nearby magnets. It is also important to note HV low current may produce a tingling effect however if you add a capacitor of any size to a HV supply it becomes deadly. Every HV guy knows you never add capacitance to HV unless you know what your doing.

Hell I was running my Van de Graaff generator one time at a relatively low 80 KV for an experiment and everything was fine. Then I made the mistake of adding a parallel capacitor in the form of two small 12" x 12" aluminum sheets with a poly dielectric in between to store a little bit more energy. That cute little spark was not so cute anymore and when it nailed me it dropped me too my knees so fast it made my head spin. Play safe boys.

As Tesla always used to do... keep one hand in your pocket and wear rubber soled shoes.

Also note with out the cap the current is closer to what newman had. 

Also note the hand pulsing / wind I could feel with gloves on.  So the effect was not a wind at all. 

It is a verry crazy pulsing sensation.  Allmost as if some one was putting your hand in a deep pool of water and there was pressure on all sides of your hand.  Very odd.

And when I was touching the brush with my glove and was kneeling on the carpet floor.  I felt all the hair and my paintance that were close to the floor  "light up" with charge.  As if I was attached to a high voltage charge. 

I have e and b feild probes with the scope so I'll be checking those things.. 

Any one check out the scope data?

More to do...  One day at a time...
~Russ

Something that may have been relevant ...only if the surplus wire was coiled up at all times during your tests...

When the coil, Inductor is in the short segment it acts more like a capacitor, the charge from this is what we want to go back to our battery circuit to add power back to the batteries.

So at a moment of time in the short segment dt_short the capacitance valve is a given quantity X_c when you add a second coil in series with a different value of capacitance will the capacitance of the the system not be reduced...just like putting two capacitors in series and the one with the smaller Farad value restricts the whole overall capacitance.

remember Kirchhoffs law  will not apply.

So the value of power returning to the batteries is restricted...and the small coil would be trying to leak the charge, hence the shock off the small coil.??
regards
also which way was the turns on that small coil?? was it bucking??? were the coils cumulatively coupled or deferentially coupled

All this is easily tested by unraveling the spare wire and not creating coils..

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All this is easily tested by unraveling the spare wire and not creating coils..

we did unravel it later, but it did not appear to change anything except it was not there to make a shock anymore

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Also note with out the cap the current is closer to what newman had. 

Also note the hand pulsing / wind I could feel with gloves on.  So the effect was not a wind at all. 

It is a verry crazy pulsing sensation.  Allmost as if some one was putting your hand in a deep pool of water and there was pressure on all sides of your hand.  Very odd.

And when I was touching the brush with my glove and was kneeling on the carpet floor.  I felt all the hair and my paintance that were close to the floor  "light up" with charge.  As if I was attached to a high voltage charge. 

I have e and b feild probes with the scope so I'll be checking those things.. 

Any one check out the scope data?

More to do...  One day at a time...
~Russ

Owing to the connection which he claims to exist between rain, atmospheric moisture and earth-magnetism, the following remark sounds quite natural and harmless: “What after all is magnetism? It is a form of energy. But will-power is also a form of energy. Are our scientists concerned to prove that between these two forms of energy there is no such common factor as is agreed exists between magnetism and other forms of energy such as warmth, electricity, etc.?”

The idea that is here wrapped up in seemingly commonplace language is brought into the open by Rudolf Steiner in other connections, where he shows that electricity and magnetism are related in their fundamental nature to human will-power. At the same time he emphasizes that these forces are not — like other natural forces — morally neutral, and he warns us of their inherent dangers.

...

The situation of the inventor, Strader, is of special interest. First he discovers the basic possibility of the machine, which “maintains itself but cannot set itself going.” The technical realization of the idea miscarries; and the inventor is finally plunged into an agony of doubt about the basis of his work through the interference of an ahrimanically inspired know-all. How he surmounts this crisis shortly before his death marks an important turning-point in the fourth play, “The Soul's Awakening.”

...

Where this kind of thing goes on, the wish to yoke up human strength with the strength of machines is always involved. It would be quite mistaken merely to oppose these things They are not going to fade away; they are on the march. The only question is whether in the course of world-history they are going to be brought on to the scene by men who are unselfishly aware of the great aims of earth-evolution and wish to shape these developments for the healing of mankind, or by groups of men who want to use them for their own or the group's selfish ends. That is the issue. The point is not what is going to happen, for it certainly will happen, but how happens — how these things are handled. The welding together of men with machines will be a great and important problem for the rest of earth-evolution.

I have often deliberately pointed out, even in public lectures, that human consciousness depends on destructive forces. During public lectures in Basle I twice said that in our nerve-system we are always in process of dying. These forces of death will become stronger and stronger, and we shall find that they are related to the forces of electricity and magnetism, and to those at work in machines. A man will be able in a certain sense to guide his intentions and his thoughts into the forces of machines. Forces in human nature that are still unknown will be discovered — forces that will act upon external electricity and magnetism.

...

The Occultists are ready to admit all this with the eloquent writer. Molecular vibration is, undeniably, “Keely's legitimate field of research,” and the discoveries made by him will prove wonderful yet only in his hands and through himself. The world so far will get but that with which it can be safely entrusted. The truth of this assertion has, perhaps, not yet quite dawned upon the discoverer himself, since he writes that he is absolutely certain that he will accomplish all that he has promised, and that he will then give it out to the world; but it must dawn upon him, and at no very far distant date.

...

Men must learn to know that when a workman stands at his bench and the sparks fly about, elemental spirits are being created who pass over into the world-process and have their significance there. ... They will certainly come into existence; the important point is that they should come into existence rightly, in the right way. For elemental spirits that are destructive of the world-process can be engendered, as well as those that serve the world-process.

...

Human beings will grow into conjunction with the objective world. Everything we touch will gradually come to bear our hunted imprint. And we shall learn, no matter how silly this may sound to the clever people — but St. Paul said long ago that the cleverness of this world is often foolishness in the eyes of God — that a time will come when a machine will stand there motionless, at rest, and a man will step up to it who knows that he has to make a certain movement with his hand, then another movement in a particular way, and then a third, and through the air-vibrations produced by this definite signal, the motor, having been tuned to this signal, will be set in motion.

...

No-one of course must imagine that what I have just said means that we ought to do away with steam engines. In that case we should have to do away with a great deal, for steam engines are by no means the most demoniacal devices. Wherever electricity and much else is used, there is far more demon magic, for electricity operates with quite different forces which have a different significance for the cosmos. Anyone who understands Spiritual Science will naturally know clearly that these things are not to be done away with; that we cannot be reactionary or conservative in the sense of opposing progress. Indeed, demon magic signifies progress, and the earth will make more and more progress of this kind. A stage will even be reached when it will be possible to produce great effects outwards into the cosmos.

The point is not to abolish these things or to condemn them, for they are obviously justified. The point is that since these things must come about on one side in the course of human progress, counter-forces must be created on the other side so as to re-establish a balance. And it will be possible to create these counter-forces only if humanity comes again to understand the Christ-principle; if humanity finds the way to the Christ.

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What used to be accomplished on the altar only must lay hold of the entire world. Humanity must learn to deal with nature as the gods themselves have done: not building machines in an indifferent way, but doing everything as an act of divine service and bringing the sacramental into everything.

It is only in this way that “negative superstition” can be overcome: the real demons have to be really driven out by treating the handling of machinery as something sacred. Two examples were given by Rudolf Steiner in the same year (1916) as these lectures: the first relates to upbringing and education and the second to knowledge. With regard to this second one, his indication follows from that fundamental sentence in his introduction to Goethe’s scientific writings: “To perceive the idea in the existent reality — that is the true communion of man.” One could regard these words as a basis for all the impulses to which Rudolf Steiner's work gave rise in later years — impulses which found expression in such varied fields as those of art, religious renewal, medicine, agriculture and natural science.

...

To come back to experimental researches in the sense of Spiritual Science, we must take a wider view of what scientific method involves. Besides results, something else plays a significant part — the mood in which researches are carried on. Herein lies an important point, which can hardly be given too much thought whenever experimental science is practiced on the basis of Spiritual Science. We must aspire to imbue all experimental work with a sacramental character. This by no means concerns only the experimenter and his co-workers, in whose souls is engraved the injunction that the laboratory table should become an altar. It concerns our whole movement – all the friends who give collaboration and support. In so far as we carry out relevant research in the mood of Spiritual Science, and support it spiritually and financially. We are helping in the task of casting out the demons from our technological environment.

On “Mechanical Occultism”
http://www.rsarchive.org/RelAuthors/UngerGeorge/MchOcc_index.php

@ magneton

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we did unravel it later, but it did not appear to change anything except it was not there to make a shock anymore

Thank you for clearing that up, I do suspect it may still have been the cause of the shock,as the small coil breaks down the dielectric shielding on the wire coating....

other than that I'm lost for explanation how ever remote on that.

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And when I was touching the brush with my glove and was kneeling on the carpet floor.  I felt all the hair and my pants that were close to the floor  "light up" with charge.  As if I was attached to a high voltage charge. 
More to do...  One day at a time...
~Russ

like I said earlier, it felt like "st Elmo's fire" but without any sparks. I was in a lightning storm on a high peak in Colorado years ago and experienced "St. Elmo's fire"... it was very scary

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Men must learn to know that when a workman stands at his bench and the sparks fly about, elemental spirits are being created who pass over into the world-process and have their significance there. ... They will certainly come into existence; the important point is that they should come into existence rightly, in the right way. For elemental spirits that are destructive of the world-process can be engendered, as well as those that serve the world-process.

Talk to the metal workers and welders who create and stand around sparks and arcs day after day all day.

The quote is more philosophical in possibilities in another historical time. This allows us to be open to think of the possible in a wider sense.

Willpower (wind earth)  today is not defined in the science as a form of energy; warmth as heat often as form of energy in a more macro context.

   

 

talisman

I would agree and I think some people have way too much free time on their hands so much they feel compelled to create an artificial reality. Reality is simple, when all the BS and the wishful thinking and the superficial man made contrivance and beliefs and opinions are removed what you have left is reality. Nature is reality... period,  and some day soon I think many may learn this lesson the hard way.

The fact is you can't eat or drink wishful thinking, religion, politics nor public opinion... that's reality.

Moving is. Hard...  But were getting there...

26foot trucks...  X 2...

~Russ

Fortune cookies were spot on though. ;)

Quote from ~Russ on January 2nd, 2018, 12:51 AM

Also note with out the cap the current is closer to what newman had. 

Also note the hand pulsing / wind I could feel with gloves on.  So the effect was not a wind at all. 

It is a verry crazy pulsing sensation. Allmost as if some one was putting your hand in a deep pool of water and there was pressure on all sides of your hand.  Very odd.

...
~Russ

Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) works by measuring the way that hydrogen atoms absorb and then relax and re-emit electromagnetic energy.

Most of the human body is made up of water molecules, which consist of only hydrogen and oxygen atoms and fat, which also contains hydrogen atoms. You are made up of about 60% hydrogen atoms!

The nucleus of a hydrogen atom is a proton, and protons are very sensitive to magnetic fields. When the proton spins it generates a manetic field, therefore the nucleus of a hydrogen atom is like a tiny magnet. When your body is in a strong magnetic field all of your hydrogen nuclei line - just like a row of compass needles lining up with a magnetic field.
http://www.cyberphysics.co.uk/topics/medical/MRI.htm




In both plants and animals, the 137 atoms are needed to extract energy from light and convert energy into matter. https://kachina2012.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/the-sacred-cut-by-tons-brunes/

The fine-structure constant so intrigued physicist Wolfgang Pauli that he collaborated with psychoanalyst Carl Jung in a quest to understand its significance. Similarly, Max Born believed that would the value of alpha differ, the universe would degenerate. Thus, he asserted that 1/137 is a law of nature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-structure_constant#Numerological_explanations_and_multiverse_theory

Monster magnet meets blood...
...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVsWTkD2M6Q



Frank Chester - The Chestahedron - The Wonder of Seven
...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQMpEAsNHmY

Blood is a Very Special Fluid
http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA055/English/AP1987/19061025p02.html

The Heart is not a pump as claimed in academia. The Heart is Blood flow regulator which controls the imploding blood in our bodies via twin opposing vortices created within the Heart. The Heart has never pumped a drop of blood, it is not a pressure pump as Frank Chester has documented so clearly in his work. Please see his many vids describing the detailed work he performed in his analysis of how the Heart actually functions.

Vortex Universe:Part 2, Vortex Heart, Controlled Implosion of Blood discovered by Leonardo Da Vinci
...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQNZbHZPFoQ

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Magneton
I have done most of these experiments and the reason why the rotor speeds up is pretty straight forward. If you send a HV low current pulse into a coil the magnetic field is very weak because the magnetic field strength is solely a function of the current flow. Low current = weak magnetic field, and when you add a capacitor in parallel to the coil part of the current going through the coil charges the capacitor as well. However when the capacitor discharges with a higher current and a stronger magnetic field it produces a stronger interaction with the magnet.

Think of it this way... I have ran a rectified Tesla coil up to 500 KV DC and there is no noticeable effect on a nearby magnet. Now add a capacitor to store part of the energy and the discharge produces a large current which does have an effect on nearby magnets. It is also important to note HV low current may produce a tingling effect however if you add a capacitor of any size to a HV supply it becomes deadly. Every HV guy knows you never add capacitance to HV unless you know what your doing.

Hell I was running my Van de Graaff generator one time at a relatively low 80 KV for an experiment and everything was fine. Then I made the mistake of adding a parallel capacitor in the form of two small 12" x 12" aluminum sheets with a poly dielectric in between to store a little bit more energy. That cute little spark was not so cute anymore and when it nailed me it dropped me too my knees so fast it made my head spin. Play safe boys.

As Tesla always used to do... keep one hand in your pocket and wear rubber soled shoes.

You are now seeing what Tesla and many many others discovered. The plasma density of the surrounding electric field. All fields are supported by the plasma of the environment. The pressure is the density change and is very like sticking your hand into water. A pressure will be felt.
 On the subject about current flow in a coil, well why do you think Tesla was interested in the bifilar coil? If you understand that coil you will have your answers. 1: In a bifilar coil the current has almost no cemf, meaning it passes through the coil as is the coil wasn't there. 2: this allows maximum current flow in the coil and forms a stronger magnetic field. 3: Capacitor discharge through a bifilar coil would have massive current flows, almost to the point that it would rip the wire apart, and have a huge magnetic moment.
 This is exactly why I was pushing so hard for you to experiment with the bifilar coil.
 As well you can form a capacitor with a bifilar coil that only allows the inductive capacitance to provide a current flow as you found out in the Abha coil. This is not a real current flow because the circuit is broken but an inductive current that allows a capacitor to seem like it is passing a current and is facilitated by the plasma that condenses around the coil wires. Remember back to the Abha coil. Remember all that plasma<____!!! Plasma is the key. It allows induction and the magnetic field to reach beyond the matter. The structure of all 3d space. Know plasma and you will know how to get everything you need in this Universe.

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Then I made the mistake of adding a parallel capacitor in the form of two small 12" x 12" aluminum sheets with a poly dielectric in between to store a little bit more energy.

I should do this but does anyone know if the poly plate charge stores a lot of energy in amp hours say to a conventional battery
in terms of volume density?

I could not find a reference compared with other dielectrics. Russ showed a high voltage charge in a video of a aluminum plate capacitor. A quick but strong burst high voltage but to think it can it be used like a battery.

One study in Egypt tested capacitance putting 5% nanoparticles of carbon also testing silicon nanoparticles in polyethylene  tested and that made only a very minor deviation of capacity. The article did not have a scale where the maximum energy electrical storage by volume could be calculated.

Utility is volume, weight, cost, availability, toxicity and safety.
     

So, today I spent most of the day reading a book by Oliver Heaviside.

"Now the real object of true naturalists, in
Sir W. Thomson's meaning of the word, when they employ
mathematics to assist them, is not to make mathematical exercises
(though that may be necessary), but to find out the connections
of known phenomena, and by deductive reasoning, to
obtain a knowledge of hitherto unknown phenomena."

good data, bad logic = wrong conclusion
bad data, good logic = wrong conclusion
good data, good logic = correct conclusion

"It goes without saying that there are numerous phenomena
connected with electricity and magnetism which are very
imperfectly understood, and which have not been reduced to formulas"

pg 16 Oliver Heaviside Electromagnetic Theory Vol 1

"Start with a very long solenoid of fine wire in circuit with a
source of electrical energy. Let the material inside the solenoid
be merely air, that is to say, ether and air. If we examine the
nature of the fluctuations of current in the coil in relation to
the fluctuations of impressed force on it, we find that the current
in the coil behaves as if it were a material fluid possessing
inertia and moving against resistance. The fanatics of Ohm's
law do not usually take into account the inertia. It is as if the
current in the coil could not move without simultaneously
setting into rotation a rigid material core filling the solenoid,
and free to rotate on its axis."

The idea of logic and hypothesis.

A main check in the scientific method is the use of controls.

The poly and aluminum plate capacitor test was to the validate theory of the charge being stored in the plates.

An assumption is that the charge is stored in battery electrolyte (or in air in capacitors as a substitution volume medium).

Often it has been assumed there is a significant charge stored in the conductor anode and cathode.

Poly has recently been used as separators in batteries. It was unintended they exhibited more unobvious and
beneficial electrical properties than expected.

Is the useful density charge stored in the electrolyte?

If the charge is stored in the dielectric then an obvious hypothesis is that the electrolyte moderates the
ionic discharge rate of the stored charge.

The controls are substituting uncharged components substituted where charged components were used in the test
2 materials and 4 combinations.
       

I have been thinking about this poly plates test but it goes to what and how.

I was leaning to the idea that the terms conductor, electrolyte and dielectric are all sharing characteristics
depending on the state and dynamic condition of a battery or capacitor.

The forerunning Leydon jar is defined as a static electricity capacitor and my leaning is that may be similar to poly.

The consensus now is that no battery can store AC power. It can only store DC.

DId a natural process convert it to static or DC and back again?

A battery defined:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-do-batteries-store-an/

"Is the useful density charge stored in the electrolyte?"

 In my mind I see it like this. Nothing is really solid at the smallest levels. Charge is a buildup of spacial conductors driven by larger dynamic vehicle particles of space. A dielectric can carry charge just like any other matter in this Universe. Charge is not based on gross matter but of the buildup of smaller then atom particles that seem to be in two distinct particle types in and around gross matter much like the atom. So in essence matter can act like it is charged because it is surrounded by higher density of spacial conductors in and around it. It is after all the medium of space. It wants to be uniform but it can be highly concentrated or condensed by matters potential value. That value must be a calculation of the density of the matter that displaces this medium.
 Matter must be something like plasmoids surrounded by neutral space or a double layer effect surrounding the nucleus of the atom. Density and maybe a few other things like the size of the plasmoid within matter dictates the type of matter it is. But that is a guess based on electron microscopes or the charge gun I call it. Little plasmoids shot at the surface of the double layer reflect accordingly back to the detector giving an image of the reflective surface. They use computers to decipher the reflections but will never be able to see within that double layer with that technique.
 The test does prove that the medium itself stores the density bound inside of the atoms of the dielectric and not on the surface of the metal as was thought. This means space itself is the key. The liquid crystal of space is so dense I doubt we would be able to peer inside of it unless we use tools like the electron microscope or charge gun. Figuring out how to interface with this medium is the first thing and I am betting it is geometric in that interface. Like the double 3 sided pyramid of King Solomon's ring. They knew that was a powerful representation. How? Well think about it. It is in everything. And Solomon's ring is in balance or completely neutral in any space.
 Do you guys remember the Sierpinski Triangle that I showed you? Here:  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Sierpinski_pyramid.png
 You can put them together just like in Solomon's ring... But that would be balanced space or normal see through space. The imbalance space would be considered charged space with a possibility of matter being there when there is a mix of both colors and they are imbalanced.

 I know this sounds way out there but why exactly do you think we see so much of fractals in nature. It is radiating out of the geometry of space itself, it's conductors which are liquid crystalline based form the structure and geometry of space.

Looks like Russ used 10000 volt DC.

Another thing the skin effect is HV AC. DC uses the capacity of a conductor in lower layers of solid mass. 

https://youtu.be/rggo2TGZZrk

Been reading the discussions. 

More work to begain soon. 

~Russ

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Charge is not based on gross matter but of the buildup of smaller then atom particles that seem to be in two distinct particle types in and around gross matter much like the atom. So in essence matter can act like it is charged because it is surrounded by higher density of spatial conductors in and around it.

Negative mass, is it antimatter?

Working with opposing forces at the electron level.

Device creates negative mass—January 10, 2018, University of Rochester

https://phys.org/news/2018-01-device-negative-massand-lasers.html

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Negative mass, is it antimatter?

I hope not Talisman, Antimatter would destroy matter in there interaction.
More to do with negatively biased matter or positively biased matter.

Ha, Ha...

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CERN physicists have confirmed this. "If we could assemble all the antimatter we've ever made at CERN and annihilate it with matter, we would have enough energy to light a single electric light bulb for a few minutes," the group responsible for creating the antimatter explain on their website.

Negative mass is different than antimatter I have learned.

Never the less an large portion of main stream physicists do not believe negative mass even exists or has ever been proven somehow.   

Still the Rochester university research article believes otherwise.