The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
44 lb added.. Now at 140lb...
New brush holders.
Zinc carbon battery's...
Time to fly.
Any segustions. Leave them here...
~Russ
New brush holders.
Zinc carbon battery's...
Time to fly.
Any segustions. Leave them here...
~Russ
jbignes5
Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #802, on January 13th, 2018, 05:31 PM »
Please go to the 37:00 mark in the first video to see how he ran it. The coil was in the wooden box under the magnet setup. At 46:39 they show a picture of the patent device and you were correct it was on the side. But I really believe you should stick to the way he preferred it, which was either inside of the coil or on top like at 37:00 in the first video you posted. He said that you need to get the maximum movement in the coil and that would only work by either putting it inside or going from the one end. The side might only show half of the waves either negative or positive. I believe if you go from the end of the coil that you will get both neg and positive again?
Thanks john.
He deffently perferued it on the side or in the coil.
He is verry clear about that. The book clearly states so.
The end is where we get the cogging. Lens law.. This we never want. For this.
Any how we will deffently try it from the top etc to test all ways!!
Thanks!!
~Russ
He deffently perferued it on the side or in the coil.
He is verry clear about that. The book clearly states so.
The end is where we get the cogging. Lens law.. This we never want. For this.
Any how we will deffently try it from the top etc to test all ways!!
Thanks!!
~Russ
Any segustions. Leave them here...
~Russ
Just clocked your commutator, you go ....Fire Blank Short Blank fire blank short blank
and as I understand it, it should be
Fire blank short fire blank short
the short and the fire touch after the rotation allowing the power to flow into the batteries as the brush crosses over the short to the fire segment the electrical continuity is breached here across short and fire....
The brush makes the bridge across short and fire to join them...
picture
Yes, this is somthing we also descused.
We have. Fire, blank, short, with gaps inbtween.
If the brushes touch the short and fire the battery's short out.... Generating a battery short and killing the battery's.
So I did the calculation. If you use the dimension he gives. And the OD. You find that there is a gap between the points.
So the brushs are the only factor to making and breaking. Brush with are somthing we want to play with.
I agree that we need to make contact with more than one point. But logic has it that that it will kill the battery's.
So we start smaller and work our way bigger so hit more than one point.
Don't forget those are artists drawings. Not blue prints...
See the real photos and you will see the gaps. And brush size.
Thanks for the input! Keep it coming!
~Russ
We have. Fire, blank, short, with gaps inbtween.
If the brushes touch the short and fire the battery's short out.... Generating a battery short and killing the battery's.
So I did the calculation. If you use the dimension he gives. And the OD. You find that there is a gap between the points.
So the brushs are the only factor to making and breaking. Brush with are somthing we want to play with.
I agree that we need to make contact with more than one point. But logic has it that that it will kill the battery's.
So we start smaller and work our way bigger so hit more than one point.
Don't forget those are artists drawings. Not blue prints...
See the real photos and you will see the gaps. And brush size.
Thanks for the input! Keep it coming!
~Russ
onepower
Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #807, on January 14th, 2018, 08:41 AM »Last edited on January 14th, 2018, 08:51 AM
It's important to note that many great minds and their work should not be taken literally but viewed in a conceptual sense.
“Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.” , Socrates
As such in my opinion most people are thinking backwards and it is not the inventor nor the invention which must be understood but the concept they have presented. The details do not define the concept, the concept in itself defines the details required which makes the concept workable. Which begs the question... how can you make something work when you don't even know what is supposed to be happening or why?. I always start with a solid working premise or concept then work out all the details then build it and test it. As such the building and testing is never the start it is in fact the end which proves whether the concept was correct or not.
Everyone seems to be talking about details or events and people and but where is the working concept... the idea?. So your supposed to fire, blank then short a coil?... why?.
“Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.” , Socrates
As such in my opinion most people are thinking backwards and it is not the inventor nor the invention which must be understood but the concept they have presented. The details do not define the concept, the concept in itself defines the details required which makes the concept workable. Which begs the question... how can you make something work when you don't even know what is supposed to be happening or why?. I always start with a solid working premise or concept then work out all the details then build it and test it. As such the building and testing is never the start it is in fact the end which proves whether the concept was correct or not.
Everyone seems to be talking about details or events and people and but where is the working concept... the idea?. So your supposed to fire, blank then short a coil?... why?.
onepower
Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #808, on January 14th, 2018, 10:28 AM »Last edited on January 14th, 2018, 04:33 PM
:)
jbignes5
Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #809, on January 14th, 2018, 06:36 PM »Last edited on January 14th, 2018, 07:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30V6fBnXtkY
The batteries in this video were dead. So he was only using the voltage potential to drive this motor. In fact it should back feed into the batteries via the negative side instead of the positive. So in effect you use some current in the batteries and then shunt the bemf into the negative side. Discharge from the positive then absorb via the negative side. This still increases the potential difference in the battery and charges it.
From hearing the motor run it sounds like there is a 10 pulse train and then a ten absorb train. It actually sounds like a hit and miss engine. Half cycle pulsing 10 times with 10 shorts recovering the energy via pulsed bemf spikes on the second half. Am I wrong here? What does the commutator look like exactly?
Is it actually accepting the charge pulses into the coil then harvesting the bemf to the negative of the battery?
Also in this video a small motor was running a pump as a load. All on spent old batteries...
When he is talking about gyroscopic particles he is talking about plasma. My model of the plasma particle. Two kinds exists. One negative and one positive. South and north. One spinning left and one spinning right. If they are upright. When they are polarized they spin together. That is where I show what they might look like logically, With a fractal nature. Highly reactive to voltages or piezoelectric super fluid liquid crystal, is my best guess.
Hmm it's fits.
Yes, this is somthing we also descused.
We have. Fire, blank, short, with gaps inbtween.
If the brushes touch the short and fire the battery's short out.... Generating a battery short and killing the battery's.
So I did the calculation. If you use the dimension he gives. And the OD. You find that there is a gap between the points.
So the brushs are the only factor to making and breaking. Brush with are somthing we want to play with.
I agree that we need to make contact with more than one point. But logic has it that that it will kill the battery's.
My apologies for not explaining the commutator better but right back at the beginning of this thread I was more pushing how the short works in relation to the commutator.
I enclose a picture for more clarity, but you must remember our coil is dynamic and the capacitor effect is also dynamic not static. The higher potential in our short segment of the commutator will hold back the lesser potential in the batteries and the current is already flowing in the short cycle so the batteries cannot create a current flow across the the switch taking the easier path as this is like a tributary river trying to join the Mississippi and push it backwards...
The batteries can only short on first connection of the batteries if the commutator is in the wrong place.
jbignes5
Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #811, on January 15th, 2018, 05:46 AM »Last edited on January 15th, 2018, 05:59 AM
Russ you might want to review the video from last night. You went from a rough running motor to a smooth running motor back to a rough running motor when you put the magnet on top of the coil and back on the side. There was also a speed difference as well.Smoother running faster then the rough running.
I know that I am banging on this but if Neuman preferred the magnet inside of the coil, which we all know he did, then putting it on one end of the coil is just about the same action. You have to see how the magnet is turning and how it cuts the wires. If it is outside then it will not be the same without it being on one end of that big coil. At least when it is on one end it still has the correct relation to the coil.
Simply it ran better on the end or top of that massive coil as you tested last night.
After seeing it run from the end last night I am convinced that the top or end of the coil is the place to run the magnet.
I know that I am banging on this but if Neuman preferred the magnet inside of the coil, which we all know he did, then putting it on one end of the coil is just about the same action. You have to see how the magnet is turning and how it cuts the wires. If it is outside then it will not be the same without it being on one end of that big coil. At least when it is on one end it still has the correct relation to the coil.
Simply it ran better on the end or top of that massive coil as you tested last night.
After seeing it run from the end last night I am convinced that the top or end of the coil is the place to run the magnet.
Sonnet. After reviewing the scope. Shots (will post soon) I relised that the brush needs to contact the right points ect. The ring we see is energy disapating.
The step discharging is the spark. When the spark stops the energy swings back and forth. This is a loss and a negtive effect.
So bigger brushes will never alow the energy to ring in the coil. And never let the energy go back words.
There for resulting in forwerd energy only and a pumping effect will result. Also a bigger magnetic feild and more RPM will result. Eventaly resulting in max current flow in the coil.
And thats where we see the result we want.
We must be Conected sonnet. About 11 hrs ago, I had the same thought from a diffrent view of whst you explained. And said... That's it. Bigger brushes. And for thses reasons. Only. To see your post in the morning. ;)
God is good!
John, one qustion, have you read newmans book word for word?
~Russ
The step discharging is the spark. When the spark stops the energy swings back and forth. This is a loss and a negtive effect.
So bigger brushes will never alow the energy to ring in the coil. And never let the energy go back words.
There for resulting in forwerd energy only and a pumping effect will result. Also a bigger magnetic feild and more RPM will result. Eventaly resulting in max current flow in the coil.
And thats where we see the result we want.
We must be Conected sonnet. About 11 hrs ago, I had the same thought from a diffrent view of whst you explained. And said... That's it. Bigger brushes. And for thses reasons. Only. To see your post in the morning. ;)
God is good!
John, one qustion, have you read newmans book word for word?
~Russ
jbignes5
Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #813, on January 15th, 2018, 12:46 PM »
If you watch the video I last posted it is very clear where he got his ideas and who's ideas those were.
Listen carefully to everything he says in the video.
Listen carefully to everything he says in the video.
We must be Conected sonnet. About 11 hrs ago, I had the same thought from a diffrent view of whst you explained. And said... That's it. Bigger brushes. And for thses reasons. Only. To see your post in the morning. ;)
In reality I'm only glad that you are on my wave length, and me yours and we are both on the same path.
regards
If you watch the video I last posted it is very clear where he got his ideas and who's ideas those were.
Listen carefully to everything he says in the video.
jbignes5
Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #816, on January 15th, 2018, 01:25 PM »
Watch it all..
Watch it all..
and Faraday was a brilliant man, I hope we can progress later to have a working homopolar generator...when we build Leedskalnins motor generator at a later time all will be revealed.
Leedskalnin was a man who walked the path we are on and we follow in all these great peoples footsteps...Newman put his electrics into a short - Leedskalnin put his magnet spin into a short....both men came at it from different angles...
regards
jbignes5
Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #818, on January 15th, 2018, 02:05 PM »Last edited on January 15th, 2018, 02:23 PM
For reference this is the magnetic field of a polar magnet.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/cosmometry/resources/images/000/000/129/original/double-torus-atomic-whirlpools.jpg
This is the new understanding of the magnetic field. This is also how the Earths magnetic field is.
If we do not apply new understanding to this then we will continue to portray a fallacy that will shoot you off of the path. Evidence is evidence, it must be treated that way... It is the very reason that a magnet has a Bloch wall...
So I assert that Nueman didn't understand all of it when we use our current understanding. He was slightly off in the mechanics of the gyroscopic particles that I call plasma..
All of the examples that he used to describe the magnetic field was in error. Simply because he didn't know about the field for sure in a magnet. We now know that it is much different then that example he shows. This could be why he couldn't get it operating on a consistent basis. We have to agree on this...
I also have a beef about the E=MC2 reference.
This equation is being proven wrong as we speak.
The premise that matter contains energy is actually a logical fallacy because be believe instead of know that matter is only a transformer of energy. Where does that energy come from, well we now know that our Solar bubble is moving through the galactic plane at 17k miles per second. The energy is the medium it self being cut by our solar bubble. This imparts any energy into the bubble and hence to the matter inside of that bubble based on the displacement of the galactic medium. This also has to deal with matters size within that bubble and how much energy it can transform into radiative energy from that matter.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/cosmometry/resources/images/000/000/129/original/double-torus-atomic-whirlpools.jpg
This is the new understanding of the magnetic field. This is also how the Earths magnetic field is.
If we do not apply new understanding to this then we will continue to portray a fallacy that will shoot you off of the path. Evidence is evidence, it must be treated that way... It is the very reason that a magnet has a Bloch wall...
So I assert that Nueman didn't understand all of it when we use our current understanding. He was slightly off in the mechanics of the gyroscopic particles that I call plasma..
All of the examples that he used to describe the magnetic field was in error. Simply because he didn't know about the field for sure in a magnet. We now know that it is much different then that example he shows. This could be why he couldn't get it operating on a consistent basis. We have to agree on this...
I also have a beef about the E=MC2 reference.
This equation is being proven wrong as we speak.
The premise that matter contains energy is actually a logical fallacy because be believe instead of know that matter is only a transformer of energy. Where does that energy come from, well we now know that our Solar bubble is moving through the galactic plane at 17k miles per second. The energy is the medium it self being cut by our solar bubble. This imparts any energy into the bubble and hence to the matter inside of that bubble based on the displacement of the galactic medium. This also has to deal with matters size within that bubble and how much energy it can transform into radiative energy from that matter.
Almost john, the positive atoms field which emanates in the very center of the mass at each end have a field that flows over the one depicted in your image which I'd call the negative electron atom field, but I don't like to call it a positive field...I see it more like the for want of a better word ...either...Either flows around the mechanical spin of the negative electron as I call the magnetic field.....but this has been debated many times here on this thread...best left for another day..
Its hard to stay focused on a thread and we need everyone's help to keep this thread focused.
I hope you can understand this thread and we want you to get everything Newman shows us word for word from his book....He does not lie.
regards
Its hard to stay focused on a thread and we need everyone's help to keep this thread focused.
I hope you can understand this thread and we want you to get everything Newman shows us word for word from his book....He does not lie.
regards
his example in the book of the field is for learning purposes only...he understood what you are showing....the motor takes advantage of how your picture shows it.....
He does try hard to simplify it for people to follow...
He does try hard to simplify it for people to follow...
jbignes5
Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #821, on January 15th, 2018, 02:36 PM »Last edited on January 15th, 2018, 02:55 PM
First we get asked to ask questions and then get told to focus. Well I am focusing and I'm asking the questions that have been bothering me on this subject. Newman speaks boldly to be challenged. When challenged this is what is done then?
I don't do this out of spite but only to answer my own questions to the request of me to read the book. If it doesn't jive with current knowledge that we are sure of by proof then how can I read further?
Anyways they told me to be of an open mind. Yet I get flak when I question anything, Now I'm being ignored and not discussing the questions on the live chat. It needs to be discussed and I'm being ignored yet again and to to believe. I don't want to believe I want to know how this works, even if it differs from Newman's understanding.
I asked what proof they have that his mechanical representation of the magnetic field is true. I know it isn't and it would change the theory in major ways if current knowledge is applied to it.
Tesla had a beef with Einstein for a reason. He knew all energy resides outside of matter because when matter receives energy it absorbs then radiates that energy out. Matter is just a filter\transformer and Tesla knew it and could prove it. So is E=mc2 then that is a transformation equation and not what it suggests. Energy neither can be created or destroyed, that means all energy from matter is a transformation process from the medium of space that we are moving through at 17k miles per second.
All matter is radiant, otherwise we couldn't see it. Well most matter. The plasma I talk about is not radiant in it's balanced form. When excited it radiates and when it is of the negative nature it doesn't radiate it sucks in or a vacuum forms in that space.
I'm being told that the book is gospel and from the mouth of god. Well until I meet god and chat with him, it was from a very frustrated man who was being challenged, Rather unfairly if you ask me, in a court of law. He was trying everything to get people to listen to him and I get that.. I know how that feels at the moment and had happen previously. I guess it is time to go away for a bit again and let it go.
I don't do this out of spite but only to answer my own questions to the request of me to read the book. If it doesn't jive with current knowledge that we are sure of by proof then how can I read further?
Anyways they told me to be of an open mind. Yet I get flak when I question anything, Now I'm being ignored and not discussing the questions on the live chat. It needs to be discussed and I'm being ignored yet again and to to believe. I don't want to believe I want to know how this works, even if it differs from Newman's understanding.
I asked what proof they have that his mechanical representation of the magnetic field is true. I know it isn't and it would change the theory in major ways if current knowledge is applied to it.
Tesla had a beef with Einstein for a reason. He knew all energy resides outside of matter because when matter receives energy it absorbs then radiates that energy out. Matter is just a filter\transformer and Tesla knew it and could prove it. So is E=mc2 then that is a transformation equation and not what it suggests. Energy neither can be created or destroyed, that means all energy from matter is a transformation process from the medium of space that we are moving through at 17k miles per second.
All matter is radiant, otherwise we couldn't see it. Well most matter. The plasma I talk about is not radiant in it's balanced form. When excited it radiates and when it is of the negative nature it doesn't radiate it sucks in or a vacuum forms in that space.
I'm being told that the book is gospel and from the mouth of god. Well until I meet god and chat with him, it was from a very frustrated man who was being challenged, Rather unfairly if you ask me, in a court of law. He was trying everything to get people to listen to him and I get that.. I know how that feels at the moment and had happen previously. I guess it is time to go away for a bit again and let it go.
I dream the answers Russ, I'm a big lucid dreamer and because of this I can manipulate my dreams ..i.e. stop reverse and change things in my dreams..I always ask that the msg that I believe is the right answer is then passed onto you in the best way that I explain it to the third person in my dreams...so I'm not surprised when you joke you think similar thoughts...
In reality I'm only glad that you are on my wave length, and me yours and we are both on the same path.
regards
~Russ
john
ok...I do understand your frustration...
I personally apologize..
But like all things, there is a sequence that all questions can be answered...right.
Now if Russ builds this motor according to Newman's book, then does that not give you proof and evidence in support of the questions we can ask ...its just that your asking the questions before Russ has the shown exactly what Newman was showing you...
So when you are asked have you read the book...you should be able to see in your minds eye how Newman tells you to manipulate this field....not how, why what this field is...
Newman admits he does not know the properties of the field itself , he said but I do know its reactions to its environment which i present to that field. and its reactions behaves as if its a particle that is spinning..
ok...I do understand your frustration...
I personally apologize..
But like all things, there is a sequence that all questions can be answered...right.
Now if Russ builds this motor according to Newman's book, then does that not give you proof and evidence in support of the questions we can ask ...its just that your asking the questions before Russ has the shown exactly what Newman was showing you...
So when you are asked have you read the book...you should be able to see in your minds eye how Newman tells you to manipulate this field....not how, why what this field is...
Newman admits he does not know the properties of the field itself , he said but I do know its reactions to its environment which i present to that field. and its reactions behaves as if its a particle that is spinning..
jbignes5
Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #824, on January 15th, 2018, 03:00 PM »
Yes I am reading the book now but I still can not read something that tells me things in contrast to what we know as fact today. Many aspects are completely wrong. Like I said don't mind me.. I just need to get away from this for a bit or never to come back. I hate being ignored and that is what is happening again. So I'll get out of the way and let it go... This isn't about trying to understand why he failed, it's about proving he was right because he mentions God.