Obvious & un-obvious...

How about:  Reality and Awareness of that Reality.  :-)


Ask the egghead while you're holding that brick, doing no work, why your heart rate is going up?

Distance, velocity, acceleration.   Interesting terms.  A force is mass times acceleration, but the object isn't moving.  Force over a distance, but there is no displacement.  No displacement, no acceleration and obviously no speed either.  Something clearly isn't properly defined in our book taught physics.

God bless Russ.  Glad you're not running for your life.  But if you ever need to, you'd make a fine neighbor here in Cos.

With reference to electrons in the field, at some point you will have to start taking a view, a belief.
I have tried to help you see my belief and will once more state this.

in the video, time adjusted link here

https://youtu.be/2L2bTeWx1Fk?t=1243

You say there would only be two fields but because the field is electrons this gives the center of your permanent magnet a positive bias to the inner atoms they have lost some of their electrons to the field. like the skin effect of a wire creates positive atoms in the center of the wire.
So if I am right there will be a consequence of those atoms in the center of the permanent magnet being positively biased so what is it?
I have explained this before the positive center in the perm magnet or in a wire will create a centripetal vortex. and guess what is totally visible in the center of a permanent magnet.
For Clarity, I am not saying that the centripetal spin is a field outside of the magnet but it is a centripetal un-obvious force.
To see the centripetal force which we can.... and not see the connection is too ignore the facts before you about how it is created when you are prepared to except that something (as you put it) is coming out of the atom. and its not the up quark or the down quark...the only 3 fundamental particles that we know are there in matter, as well as the electron.
Having said that even the elements of matter are in fact just energy, manifesting into matter.

The magnetic field is a electron field. This is my belief. I stand by that.

So, after many hours of re-reading the book i finally found something that i missed before.

TITLE:
Increased Voltage Phenomenon in a Resonance Circuit of Unconventional Magnetic Configuration
- The behavior of an LCR (inductance‐capacitance‐resistance) circuit with a movable ferromagnetic core is discussed.

Read page 559 or read the picture from below, because this is the place where it starts.
Once you read the whole page, Newman urge the reader to locate a copy of this research article from Journal Of Applied Physics and review it for yourself.

So i did, and after spending some time searching for this article, i found it.
https://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/jap77.pdf

The pdf above in the link, is the same as below in the attachment (just in case the link above suddenly stop working).

This is the original source page from Journal of Applied Physics, but it is not for free to view ...
http://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.359520

Quote

Distance, velocity, acceleration.   Interesting terms.  A force is mass times acceleration, but the object isn't moving.  Force over a distance, but there is no displacement.  No displacement, no acceleration and obviously no speed either.  Something clearly isn't properly defined in our book taught physics.

I would point out numerous inconsistencies but this one is a little easier to comprehend. The work is the force needed to move an object.The definition was made to be practical at the time to calculate the force applied to move an object perceived then as the force of gravity in general. The reasoning is the action required to move from point a to point b along a vector.

Today no one would argue that all objects (discrete blob of physical matter) have zillions of forces acting upon them to maintain their relative position compared to the rest of the matter in the universe.

Gravity is still acting as a force against the brick giving it the weight of the mass. Relative to the ground the sum of forces is near inertial.

By cutting the near half of force to counteract the equal and opposite force then;
the gravity is the remainder without the counteractive force of the body and arm.
That is the definition of "work" as compared to the terms "energy" and "power".

Simplistic explanation is a vector in one direction. Relatively in relation to universal mass and movement is complex.

That's the best I can do not that it should be then without question or refined to a definition that includes more precision, the
schools decide what they think is important. Philosophy is a big part of the foundation of science but not often encouraged
many schools class.
       

Quote from Tavote on December 14th, 2017, 09:19 AM

So, after many hours of re-reading the book i finally found something that i missed before.

TITLE:
Increased Voltage Phenomenon in a Resonance Circuit of Unconventional Magnetic Configuration
- The behavior of an LCR (inductance‐capacitance‐resistance) circuit with a movable ferromagnetic core is discussed.

Read page 559 or read the picture from below, because this is the place where it starts.
Once you read the whole page, Newman urge the reader to locate a copy of this research article from Journal Of Applied Physics and review it for yourself.

So i did, and after spending some time searching for this article, i found it.
https://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/jap77.pdf

The pdf above in the link, is the same as below in the attachment (just in case the link above suddenly stop working).

This is the original source page from Journal of Applied Physics, but it is not for free to view ...
http://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.359520

wonderful work.
what did I learn:

1. coils face each other. ( attraction mode)
2. "the cause of the increase in the apparent resistance is considered to be the Back EMF generated by the movement of the core. "
3 "the increase in the recharge voltage is due to an EMF in the same direction as the discharge current, different from the Back emf caused by faraday's law. "
4." the past controversy concerning electromagnetic induction might shed some light on this viewpoint"
5. "for a certain kind of magnetic field the opposite result could occur - an increase in the average current and recharge voltage"
6. "it can be postulated that the complex movement of the magnetic flux generates a positive EMF, But the cause of the voltage increase is not clear"

about #4 what controversy are they referring to?

question? can we measure the inductance change when the permanent magnet is in different positions? this change is a key thing to test for.
is this change matching with this result? ( inductance changing between charge and discharge creating a difference impedance allowing the current to get out?? as i speak about i my Doc)

~Russ

PS i need to respond to more posts here... in due time.

~Russ

i did not read this, just looking for an answer on that #4:
https://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0012/0012009.pdf
~Russ

Quote from Matt Watts on December 14th, 2017, 12:45 AM

God bless Russ.  Glad you're not running for your life.  But if you ever need to, you'd make a fine neighbor here in Cos.

For sure!!! :) ill keep that note. say with that check your gonna send me... i could make a shop next to yours hehe

~Russ

Quote from sonnet on December 14th, 2017, 02:51 AM

With reference to electrons in the field, at some point you will have to start taking a view, a belief.
I have tried to help you see my belief and will once more state this.

You say there would only be two fields but because the field is electrons this gives the center of your permanent magnet a positive bias to the inner atoms they have lost some of their electrons to the field. like the skin effect of a wire creates positive atoms in the center of the wire.
So if I am right there will be a consequence of those atoms in the center of the permanent magnet being positively biased so what is it?
I have explained this before the positive center in the perm magnet or in a wire will create a centripetal vortex. and guess what is totally visible in the center of a permanent magnet.
For Clarity, I am not saying that the centripetal spin is a field outside of the magnet but it is a centripetal un-obvious force.
To see the centripetal force which we can.... and not see the connection is too ignore the facts before you about how it is created when you are prepared to except that something (as you put it) is coming out of the atom. and its not the up quark or the down quark...the only 3 fundamental particles that we know are there in matter, as well as the electron.
Having said that even the elements of matter are in fact just energy, manifesting into matter.

The magnetic field is a electron field. This is my belief. I stand by that.

I never once heard Newman say anything about an electron...

with that said, I look at everything from afar. and for now this works wonders.... at this point in time, I'm more interested in the scale we can see.... (well we cant see but you know what i mean)

electrons ....  electron clouds... what ever it is... i cant "see" it lol.

so i will stick with "gyroscopic particles"

no harm done here...

The entire point in standing and looking from afar is so there is no argument what it is at its fundamental level. But rather how it reacts to other things... action and reaction. this is what we need to look at...

~Russ

Quote from Tavote on December 14th, 2017, 09:19 AM

So, after many hours of re-reading the book i finally found something that i missed before.

TITLE:
Increased Voltage Phenomenon in a Resonance Circuit of Unconventional Magnetic Configuration
- The behavior of an LCR (inductance‐capacitance‐resistance) circuit with a movable ferromagnetic core is discussed.

Read page 559 or read the picture from below, because this is the place where it starts.

The preface on that page is the basis for Meyer's work.

Quote from ~Russ on December 14th, 2017, 05:42 PM

so i will stick with "gyroscopic particles"

no harm done here...

The entire point in standing and looking from afar is so there is no argument what it is at its fundamental level. But rather how it reacts to other things... action and reaction. this is what we need to look at...

There are more little gems posted on this very forum than most people know.  One of them comes pretty darn close to explaining these "gyroscopic particles" in extensive detail.  Maybe it's time for a little refresher.  Keep the brain cells flexible.

http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1233.0

The goal of course is to find as many ways to look at this as possible.  Hopefully each individual will find something they can attach their understanding to.  Something that fits in their world view where it all starts to make sense.  It comes down to needing more than one tool in your toolbox.  Everyone is different, but in the end, everyone deserves a chance to understand and make use of what is being shared here.  The language of the universe is most obviously universal, but the means for each one of us to learn it is quite specific, based on individual experiences.  The common thread is the point where we all end up.  Nows a good time to throw each other a line so we stay connected.


We'll get there people.  We pretty much have to.

I am collecting turns... 39000 so far.
If anyone has a few extra turns, feel free to slap them on my coil
I won't charge you anything... lol

Quote from Magneton on December 15th, 2017, 05:31 AM

I am collecting turns... 39000 so far.
If anyone has a few extra turns, feel free to slap them on my coil
I won't charge you anything... lol

It's looking amazing, have to say, good work :)

Quote from Tavote on December 15th, 2017, 06:58 AM

It's looking amazing, have to say, good work :)

I have to agree. That coil is going to be a monster!   Looking good.  "One turn at s time" ;)

~Russ

Quote from Matt Watts on December 14th, 2017, 08:58 PM

There are more little gems posted on this very forum than most people know.  One of them comes pretty darn close to explaining these "gyroscopic particles" in extensive detail.  Maybe it's time for a little refresher.  Keep the brain cells flexible.

http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1233.0

The goal of course is to find as many ways to look at this as possible.  Hopefully each individual will find something they can attach their understanding to.  Something that fits in their world view where it all starts to make sense.  It comes down to needing more than one tool in your toolbox.  Everyone is different, but in the end, everyone deserves a chance to understand and make use of what is being shared here.  The language of the universe is most obviously universal, but the means for each one of us to learn it is quite specific, based on individual experiences.  The common thread is the point where we all end up.  Nows a good time to throw each other a line so we stay connected.


We'll get there people.  We pretty much have to.

In the end...  We will never really know what is what. 

So by letting each person decide what is the deep fundemnetals of reality...  We don't get lost in details. 

Heres what I'm sating. If the magnet sticks to the fridge...  And we spend all our time trying to convince  each other what the fundamental reasons are thst it stayed there.....
Rather than finding the best way to use it to do somthing....

Will get know where. 

I'm open for all viewpoints.  This is why we each have our own brain... So we can think for our self's.  But this free thinking is also where things get stuck.  I have seen it time and time again right here on this forums...

So let the open mind's contenue to think freely and work togther.  We each play a part in the collective...

So we press forward. Keeping an open mined to others thoughts...   One day at a time.

~Russ

This was hard to find but in case you already watched it, then watch it again hehe

Listen carefully to every word he says. It helps answer some of the questions.
1) Why don't we have a device that runs our homes.
2) Motor speed, power, voltage.
3) EMF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9H4k4gHRTQ

4) Self-Loop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K3IbXI27BE

5) Complexity of the internal motor
EDIT: And he talks about the three scientific principles again but this time, he said where you won't find them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhVN3DI7bho

That's almost too hard to watch.

By mid-2010 OpenSource was well on its way to dominance and still, Newman couldn't or wouldn't embrace it fully.  So sad.  By now there should be hundreds of shops that could whip one of these machines out in a weekend.  Machines with improved guts that could run for years.  Efficiencies in size/scale that rival typical gensets.  Right on this very forum, we should be up to version 10.0 by now.  There should be at least half the members on this forum powering their homes with these machines.  Something went terribly wrong.  I can't put my finger on what was.  Let's hope Russ resurrects this machine and gets us back on the yellow brick road.

We need some consultants.  Their job will be to pack the knowledge necessary to build and make these machines work, then go across the country; across the globe helping people get similar machines setup and running.  Each new successor then becomes another consultant.  Rinse and repeat until what Newman started ends the way it should have.

I am working on one now, as is Russ... 58500 turns... getting bigger

Matt, Newman's mind was sharp. real sharp... but even he is human. and when you get put through the ringer like Newman was... you start to get bitter, we can see this in Newman. he still held his passion and his mission, but he was so bitter he was helpless.

The very first post on this thread... watch that documentary again. and just watch it....

if i ever get this way you better come find me and punch me in the face as a reminder of this vision...

we (then) are whats wrong...

But i have the most extreme hope that we (now) together will seceded. we are the second generation he once spoke about... its us who will bring it in. this is very clear.

now get your wire ordered before i buy it all...

https://www.electro-wind.com/magnet-winding-wire/superior-essex-30-heavy-ultra-sheild-plus-mw-35-magnet-wire-tf80c.html

i cut up a spool for the ends... cut out the center and cut down a pipe fitting to match up with this end cap. this is a lot better than the wood i was trying to use...
i need to make one more adapter then glue it up... and hand it off to MWS... there going to wind it. They cant do it quite the way i want but it will be fine for now. they will wind it with a bit of slop ( the pitch will not be the same as the wire thickness but rather a bit more) they wind coils so they come off the roll easy... I found a another company but they cant do it for 2 months..

~Russ

PS.Tavote

I watched all those videos again ( 1-14) after not watching any for about a week or more to clear my mined and  I feel I'm being preached at only to see that he is just "preaching to the choir"
its so clear to me what has to be done... you will get there too.
so keep reading and keep watching. MASTER IT.
here's my list:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsiIKXpZfLKLAU9vA2ZkdmCC2CuKadDUt

PSS. he stated that Kirchhoff's law is violated... and i agree. :0

Quote from Magneton on December 15th, 2017, 04:48 PM

I am working on one now, as is Russ... 58500 turns... getting bigger

:clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss:
 :cleaning:

Quote from ~Russ on December 15th, 2017, 04:50 PM

PSS. he stated that Kirchhoff's law is violated... and i agree. :0

You know what that means then right?


We are dealing with non-conservative fields.  Position matters.

This post is good to keep in the forefront of your mind.

Quote from Matt Watts on December 15th, 2017, 05:31 PM

You know what that means then right?


We are dealing with non-conservative fields.  Position matters.

This post is good to keep in the forefront of your mind.

That's corect.  I just thought I would point out that he said it directly. ;)   ~Russ

PS.  He clearly stated that there is tuning to be had...  This is good. Its just yet another reminder that this vision I have is corect. Or at least in the proper direction.   ~Russ

https://youtu.be/uSaVhDj_a0w

~Russ

I'm running little newman on limit switches now. I was just pulsing the top coil with 24vdc and collecting BEMF in a cap.to take it off the coil. I'm going to try this combination. (push, short, dump), (pull, short, dump), (push, short, dump), (pull, short, dump), start over.the shorting of the coils didn't work for me.

Matt

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You know what that means then right?
We are dealing with non-conservative fields.  Position matters.
This post is good to keep in the forefront of your mind

What I found most interesting about Lewin's experiment was the psychology. First we have a division between people who actually did the experiment and the text book thumpers. Then we have a division between the people who did the experiment but cannot agree on what they think they are seeing. However what I found most interesting was that literally ten's of thousands of apparently intelligent people could not agree on what happens in a loop of wire with two resistors.

Think of all the problems we face on this planet and they cannot agree on what happens in a loop of wire with two resistors.... priceless.

Priceless... Or catastrophic....

;)

~Russ