Complete VIC schematic and pcb

~Russ

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #75, on March 11th, 2012, 05:15 PM »
Quote from Webmug on March 3rd, 2012, 05:28 AM
Hi,

I was wondering, looking at Russ his video about the SM VIC ,where he has unipolar voltages at the open VIC coils for the resonance cell, how it was pulsed.

Looking at the pulse signal in the Dealership Sales Manual, how Resonant Action is done, did you see the pulses he used in the figure? p60 Fig.16.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1305.msg22161.html#msg22161
SM pulsed it lets say, 0Vdc to Va dc, but when he wants resonant action he pulses 0Vdc to Vn dc. So the gating window where amplitude is higher he adjusted it to get Resonant Action. This simultaneous with the pulse frequency for the coil resonance.

The patent circuit driver does not do this, only 0V dc to Va dc. at the TIP120 transistor. Gate adjust the 0V to Va voltage pulse with?

Update:
When GATE is ON, voltage amplitude should go up to a higher pulse voltage level setting (gas pedal) gas production (step charge);
GATE OFF, amplitude is pulse resonance maintained (no step charge).
See circuit "voltage amplitude control".

Have you looked into this?

Br,
Webmug
Don stated that the Gating was a hand tuned part of the GMS... so once set its not messed with... its part of tuning??? ~Russ


Mechanic

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #76, on March 11th, 2012, 07:50 PM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 11th, 2012, 05:15 PM
Quote from Webmug on March 3rd, 2012, 05:28 AM
Hi,

I was wondering, looking at Russ his video about the SM VIC ,where he has unipolar voltages at the open VIC coils for the resonance cell, how it was pulsed.

Looking at the pulse signal in the Dealership Sales Manual, how Resonant Action is done, did you see the pulses he used in the figure? p60 Fig.16.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1305.msg22161.html#msg22161
SM pulsed it lets say, 0Vdc to Va dc, but when he wants resonant action he pulses 0Vdc to Vn dc. So the gating window where amplitude is higher he adjusted it to get Resonant Action. This simultaneous with the pulse frequency for the coil resonance.

The patent circuit driver does not do this, only 0V dc to Va dc. at the TIP120 transistor. Gate adjust the 0V to Va voltage pulse with?

Update:
When GATE is ON, voltage amplitude should go up to a higher pulse voltage level setting (gas pedal) gas production (step charge);
GATE OFF, amplitude is pulse resonance maintained (no step charge).
See circuit "voltage amplitude control".

Have you looked into this?

Br,
Webmug
Don stated that the Gating was a hand tuned part of the GMS... so once set its not messed with... its part of tuning??? ~Russ
Hi,
I'll first have to go study the short hand, GMS..,VA dc.., Vn dc.., etc....
Get back to you soon...Sorry...
Boere groete,
Mechanic.

~Russ

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #77, on March 12th, 2012, 01:07 AM »Last edited on March 12th, 2012, 01:09 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
updated my measurements with 30AWG... looks golden!!! see attached sheet on that post... thanks!

`Russ

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=170&pid=3580#pid3580

Mechanic

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #78, on March 12th, 2012, 03:43 PM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 12th, 2012, 01:07 AM
updated my measurements with 30AWG... looks golden!!! see attached sheet on that post... thanks!

`Russ

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=170&pid=3580#pid3580
Hi Mr. Bussy Bee.

Do you have this in english....?:P Idon't understand a word can you make that more simple if posible... or give sch... or specs?:huh: Before you explain..., please help With my Questions earlier up in the post... 5v & 10v connect... and is this coils driving the circuits & cell...?:D

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
NB. I finished building the VIC work in prog.... schematics. Need to know about the small sch... on the first page of the pdf of this circuits as well...?

Sharky

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #79, on March 13th, 2012, 02:40 AM »
Quote from Mechanic on March 12th, 2012, 03:43 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 12th, 2012, 01:07 AM
updated my measurements with 30AWG... looks golden!!! see attached sheet on that post... thanks!

`Russ

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=170&pid=3580#pid3580
Hi Mr. Bussy Bee.

Do you have this in english....?:P Idon't understand a word can you make that more simple if posible... or give sch... or specs?:huh: Before you explain..., please help With my Questions earlier up in the post... 5v & 10v connect... and is this coils driving the circuits & cell...?:D

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
NB. I finished building the VIC work in prog.... schematics. Need to know about the small sch... on the first page of the pdf of this circuits as well...?
Hi Mechanic,
The first page of the pdf shows the main schematic that contains all the sub-schematics as they were created by Meyer and how they are interconnected. They also contain things needed in all sub schematics like the power connections. Currently the design makes use of +5V and +10V which are created from a +12V car battery via the 7805 and 7810 voltage regulators on that first page. If in the rest of the schematics there is a +5V connection, connect it to the 7805 voltage regulator and if there is a +10V connection connect it to the 7810 voltage regulator, thats all there is to it.

The Meyer WFC technology basically consists of three parts: 1) VIC Electronic circuits, 2) VIC Coils, 3) Cell. The electronics drive the coils which are connected to the cell. To make it work you need all three components, i for example at the moment do not have a good replication of the coil set and that is giving me problems getting the pll part of the electronics to work since resonance is not in the range for which the electronics are designed. This is why Russ and the rest on this forum are working to replicate all three things.

Hope this clears some things up for you, sorry for not always replying as fast as people like but we are all 'busy bees' as you called it but i will always try to make the time for answering questions. In the end we need as much people building all to get the errors out faster, ... by the way, ... dumb questions do not exist, the only one is the one you did not ask!!!

Sharky

Mechanic

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #80, on March 13th, 2012, 04:49 PM »
Quote from Sharky on March 13th, 2012, 02:40 AM
Quote from Mechanic on March 12th, 2012, 03:43 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 12th, 2012, 01:07 AM
updated my measurements with 30AWG... looks golden!!! see attached sheet on that post... thanks!

`Russ

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=170&pid=3580#pid3580
Hi Mr. Bussy Bee.

Do you have this in english....?:P Idon't understand a word can you make that more simple if posible... or give sch... or specs?:huh: Before you explain..., please help With my Questions earlier up in the post... 5v & 10v connect... and is this coils driving the circuits & cell...?:D

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
NB. I finished building the VIC work in prog.... schematics. Need to know about the small sch... on the first page of the pdf of this circuits as well...?
Hi Mechanic,
The first page of the pdf shows the main schematic that contains all the sub-schematics as they were created by Meyer and how they are interconnected. They also contain things needed in all sub schematics like the power connections. Currently the design makes use of +5V and +10V which are created from a +12V car battery via the 7805 and 7810 voltage regulators on that first page. If in the rest of the schematics there is a +5V connection, connect it to the 7805 voltage regulator and if there is a +10V connection connect it to the 7810 voltage regulator, thats all there is to it.

The Meyer WFC technology basically consists of three parts: 1) VIC Electronic circuits, 2) VIC Coils, 3) Cell. The electronics drive the coils which are connected to the cell. To make it work you need all three components, i for example at the moment do not have a good replication of the coil set and that is giving me problems getting the pll part of the electronics to work since resonance is not in the range for which the electronics are designed. This is why Russ and the rest on this forum are working to replicate all three things.

Hope this clears some things up for you, sorry for not always replying as fast as people like but we are all 'busy bees' as you called it but i will always try to make the time for answering questions. In the end we need as much people building all to get the errors out faster, ... by the way, ... dumb questions do not exist, the only one is the one you did not ask!!!

Sharky
Hi Sarky,:D

I can't tell you how much that reply ment to me...:heart: Before i get to mushy and cry let me thank you for the latest updete.... This has made you a pshycic(sorry) and gives me the last answers on the vic build (i hope).... Anyway, as i finish that part i'll try to take some messurements and post... About the coils, i was thinking of using a flourecent light ballaster, and knowing we need 50kv with 0.5A try to calculate (ohoo) what the transformer coil's spec should be or most probable ask someones help to do so...:P I think i'll be able to get a 50kv & 0.5A supply in such a way...?:huh: Well Sharky, thanx again, reply soon...:cool:

Boere groete,
Mechanic.

~Russ

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #81, on March 13th, 2012, 09:54 PM »
Quote from Mechanic on March 13th, 2012, 04:49 PM
Quote from Sharky on March 13th, 2012, 02:40 AM
Quote from Mechanic on March 12th, 2012, 03:43 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 12th, 2012, 01:07 AM
updated my measurements with 30AWG... looks golden!!! see attached sheet on that post... thanks!

`Russ

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=170&pid=3580#pid3580
Hi Mr. Bussy Bee.

Do you have this in english....?:P Idon't understand a word can you make that more simple if posible... or give sch... or specs?:huh: Before you explain..., please help With my Questions earlier up in the post... 5v & 10v connect... and is this coils driving the circuits & cell...?:D

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
NB. I finished building the VIC work in prog.... schematics. Need to know about the small sch... on the first page of the pdf of this circuits as well...?
Hi Mechanic,
The first page of the pdf shows the main schematic that contains all the sub-schematics as they were created by Meyer and how they are interconnected. They also contain things needed in all sub schematics like the power connections. Currently the design makes use of +5V and +10V which are created from a +12V car battery via the 7805 and 7810 voltage regulators on that first page. If in the rest of the schematics there is a +5V connection, connect it to the 7805 voltage regulator and if there is a +10V connection connect it to the 7810 voltage regulator, thats all there is to it.

The Meyer WFC technology basically consists of three parts: 1) VIC Electronic circuits, 2) VIC Coils, 3) Cell. The electronics drive the coils which are connected to the cell. To make it work you need all three components, i for example at the moment do not have a good replication of the coil set and that is giving me problems getting the pll part of the electronics to work since resonance is not in the range for which the electronics are designed. This is why Russ and the rest on this forum are working to replicate all three things.

Hope this clears some things up for you, sorry for not always replying as fast as people like but we are all 'busy bees' as you called it but i will always try to make the time for answering questions. In the end we need as much people building all to get the errors out faster, ... by the way, ... dumb questions do not exist, the only one is the one you did not ask!!!

Sharky
Hi Sarky,:D

I can't tell you how much that reply ment to me...:heart: Before i get to mushy and cry let me thank you for the latest updete.... This has made you a pshycic(sorry) and gives me the last answers on the vic build (i hope).... Anyway, as i finish that part i'll try to take some messurements and post... About the coils, i was thinking of using a flourecent light ballaster, and knowing we need 50kv with 0.5A try to calculate (ohoo) what the transformer coil's spec should be or most probable ask someones help to do so...:P I think i'll be able to get a 50kv & 0.5A supply in such a way...?:huh: Well Sharky, thanx again, reply soon...:cool:

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
STAN,
Quote
you got to ask the right questions.
i have been over whelmed also and trying to answer questions as i can... i also must say that there is so much info to cover its hard to not spend 30 min on a reply... :)

any way!

i revived my electronics today and a new set of jumpers i got off amazon for dirt cheep.

i hope i will get to this this week...

sharky, still working on your coil set... want to test some other stuff to see if i can get even closer to the measurements...  

thanks everyone!!! team work!

~Russ
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Jeff Nading

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #82, on March 14th, 2012, 05:21 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 13th, 2012, 09:54 PM
Quote from Mechanic on March 13th, 2012, 04:49 PM
Quote from Sharky on March 13th, 2012, 02:40 AM
Quote from Mechanic on March 12th, 2012, 03:43 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 12th, 2012, 01:07 AM
updated my measurements with 30AWG... looks golden!!! see attached sheet on that post... thanks!

`Russ

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=170&pid=3580#pid3580
Hi Mr. Bussy Bee.

Do you have this in english....?:P Idon't understand a word can you make that more simple if posible... or give sch... or specs?:huh: Before you explain..., please help With my Questions earlier up in the post... 5v & 10v connect... and is this coils driving the circuits & cell...?:D

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
NB. I finished building the VIC work in prog.... schematics. Need to know about the small sch... on the first page of the pdf of this circuits as well...?
Hi Mechanic,
The first page of the pdf shows the main schematic that contains all the sub-schematics as they were created by Meyer and how they are interconnected. They also contain things needed in all sub schematics like the power connections. Currently the design makes use of +5V and +10V which are created from a +12V car battery via the 7805 and 7810 voltage regulators on that first page. If in the rest of the schematics there is a +5V connection, connect it to the 7805 voltage regulator and if there is a +10V connection connect it to the 7810 voltage regulator, thats all there is to it.

The Meyer WFC technology basically consists of three parts: 1) VIC Electronic circuits, 2) VIC Coils, 3) Cell. The electronics drive the coils which are connected to the cell. To make it work you need all three components, i for example at the moment do not have a good replication of the coil set and that is giving me problems getting the pll part of the electronics to work since resonance is not in the range for which the electronics are designed. This is why Russ and the rest on this forum are working to replicate all three things.

Hope this clears some things up for you, sorry for not always replying as fast as people like but we are all 'busy bees' as you called it but i will always try to make the time for answering questions. In the end we need as much people building all to get the errors out faster, ... by the way, ... dumb questions do not exist, the only one is the one you did not ask!!!

Sharky
Hi Sarky,:D

I can't tell you how much that reply ment to me...:heart: Before i get to mushy and cry let me thank you for the latest updete.... This has made you a pshycic(sorry) and gives me the last answers on the vic build (i hope).... Anyway, as i finish that part i'll try to take some messurements and post... About the coils, i was thinking of using a flourecent light ballaster, and knowing we need 50kv with 0.5A try to calculate (ohoo) what the transformer coil's spec should be or most probable ask someones help to do so...:P I think i'll be able to get a 50kv & 0.5A supply in such a way...?:huh: Well Sharky, thanx again, reply soon...:cool:

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
STAN,
Quote
you got to ask the right questions.
i have been over whelmed also and trying to answer questions as i can... i also must say that there is so much info to cover its hard to not spend 30 min on a reply... :)

any way!

i revived my electronics today and a new set of jumpers i got off amazon for dirt cheep.

i hope i will get to this this week...

sharky, still working on your coil set... want to test some other stuff to see if i can get even closer to the measurements...  

thanks everyone!!! team work!

~Russ
Russ I like those jumpers much better than the ridged non flexible type, looks like they will be much easier to use.

~Russ

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #83, on March 15th, 2012, 04:24 AM »Last edited on March 15th, 2012, 04:25 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
[/quote]Russ I like those jumpers much better than the ridged non flexible type, looks like they will be much easier to use.[/quote]yes, i just started to work on this today and i must say the jumpers are nice!!! but!!! you still will want to have some small jumpers of the normal type so you can make all the power conetions and small jumps... otherwise you will have a ling jumper to go one hole... lol it couls get a bit messey that way...

any way here is what i have so far... building one piece at a time so i can check it...

I think I can get it all on this board.

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the first 2 photos are of this VIC circuit... the last one is all the stuff i had on the board when i started... lol that was a rustic 7.0 prototype... :)


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~Russ

Jeff Nading

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #84, on March 15th, 2012, 05:37 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 15th, 2012, 04:24 AM
Russ I like those jumpers much better than the ridged non flexible type, looks like they will be much easier to use.[/quote]yes, i just started to work on this today and i must say the jumpers are nice!!! but!!! you still will want to have some small jumpers of the normal type so you can make all the power conetions and small jumps... otherwise you will have a ling jumper to go one hole... lol it couls get a bit messey that way...

any way here is what i have so far... building one piece at a time so i can check it...

I think I can get it all on this board.



the first 2 photos are of this VIC circuit... the last one is all the stuff i had on the board when i started... lol that was a rustic 7.0 prototype... :)



~Russ[/quote]See what you mean about the wires, very cool though, I wish I had the time right now to get started on mine.

Sharky

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #85, on March 15th, 2012, 09:13 AM »
I updated the project and PDF to the latest version. Be aware that i needed to re-anotate the entire schematic so most of the component references changed.

Jeff Nading

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #86, on March 15th, 2012, 11:19 AM »
Quote from Sharky on March 15th, 2012, 09:13 AM
I updated the project and PDF to the latest version. Be aware that i needed to re-anotate the entire schematic so most of the component references changed.
So wheres the PDF @ Sharky? Need to download it, thanks.:D

Mechanic

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #87, on March 15th, 2012, 11:52 AM »Last edited on March 15th, 2012, 12:09 PM by Mechanic
quote='Sharky' pid='3634' dateline='1331828007']
I updated the project and PDF to the latest version. Be aware that i needed to re-anotate the entire schematic so most of the component references changed.[/quote]Hi SHARKY.:s

Am i correct if i say the BC546B, 556B. Tip 120 & 2N3055's Leg numbers & leg names is confused.... or am i confused... ? Will this make a diffrence to your testing....? I'm still doing these last changes and then will be able to start testing.:huh: Don't know why i didn't notice it before... probably doesn't matter.
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This is what i needed to figure out what leg is what and then noticed the prob... or not...

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
NB: Forgot to ask... the volt... ampl... positive connection is it 12, 10, 5 volts...?

Sharky

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #88, on March 15th, 2012, 01:41 PM »Last edited on March 15th, 2012, 01:42 PM by Sharky
Quote from Mechanic on March 15th, 2012, 11:52 AM
Hi SHARKY.:s

Am i correct if i say the BC546B, 556B. Tip 120 & 2N3055's Leg numbers & leg names is confused.... or am i confused... ? Will this make a diffrence to your testing....? I'm still doing these last changes and then will be able to start testing.:huh: Don't know why i didn't notice it before... probably doesn't matter.


attachment=985][
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:P
This is what i needed to figure out what leg is what and then noticed the prob... or not...

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
NB: Forgot to ask... the volt... ampl... positive connection is it 12, 10, 5 volts...?
Yes you are confused but very understandable, ... i was confused at first as well ;). You must look at the schematics with the pcb alongside it. In kicad you map all schematic components to modules which are the definitions of the actual casings, etc. The pin numbers in the schematic are not necesarry the same as the module pin numbers you see in the datasheets. If you look at the pcb (see attachment) you see that the pin numbers for the tip120 (Q1) are in the order 2, 3, 1 which you can lookup in the schematic and you will see that they correspond to the actual datasheet pins for base, collector, emitter.

So yes it is kind of non logical but in the end on the pcb it is correct. What do you mean by voltage of positive connection? The +batt is 12V which goes to the 7810 and 7805 which create the +10V and +5V.

Good luck!

PS: the PDF and kicad files are always updated on the first post

Mechanic

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #89, on March 15th, 2012, 02:08 PM »
Quote from Sharky on March 15th, 2012, 01:41 PM
Quote from Mechanic on March 15th, 2012, 11:52 AM
Hi SHARKY.:s

Am i correct if i say the BC546B, 556B. Tip 120 & 2N3055's Leg numbers & leg names is confused.... or am i confused... ? Will this make a diffrence to your testing....? I'm still doing these last changes and then will be able to start testing.:huh: Don't know why i didn't notice it before... probably doesn't matter.


attachment=985][
[
:P
This is what i needed to figure out what leg is what and then noticed the prob... or not...

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
NB: Forgot to ask... the volt... ampl... positive connection is it 12, 10, 5 volts...?
Yes you are confused but very understandable, ... i was confused at first as well ;). You must look at the schematics with the pcb alongside it. In kicad you map all schematic components to modules which are the definitions of the actual casings, etc. The pin numbers in the schematic are not necesarry the same as the module pin numbers you see in the datasheets. If you look at the pcb (see attachment) you see that the pin numbers for the tip120 (Q1) are in the order 2, 3, 1 which you can lookup in the schematic and you will see that they correspond to the actual datasheet pins for base, collector, emitter.

So yes it is kind of non logical but in the end on the pcb it is correct. What do you mean by voltage of positive connection? The +batt is 12V which goes to the 7810 and 7805 which create the +10V and +5V.

Good luck!

PS: the PDF and kicad files are always updated on the first post
The voltage amplitude schematic's positive connection, in the pdf, is not marked 12v, 10v or 5v....
If i connected the legs of the before mentioned components according to the numbers in the pdf,  will it then be wrong....? Eishhh.... do i have to reconnect according to the B, E, C, markings... as in my attachedments?

Boere groete,
Mechanic.

Jeff Nading

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #90, on March 15th, 2012, 03:07 PM »
Quote from Mechanic on March 15th, 2012, 02:08 PM
Quote from Sharky on March 15th, 2012, 01:41 PM
Quote from Mechanic on March 15th, 2012, 11:52 AM
Hi SHARKY.:s

Am i correct if i say the BC546B, 556B. Tip 120 & 2N3055's Leg numbers & leg names is confused.... or am i confused... ? Will this make a diffrence to your testing....? I'm still doing these last changes and then will be able to start testing.:huh: Don't know why i didn't notice it before... probably doesn't matter.


attachment=985][
[
:P
This is what i needed to figure out what leg is what and then noticed the prob... or not...

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
NB: Forgot to ask... the volt... ampl... positive connection is it 12, 10, 5 volts...?
Yes you are confused but very understandable, ... i was confused at first as well ;). You must look at the schematics with the pcb alongside it. In kicad you map all schematic components to modules which are the definitions of the actual casings, etc. The pin numbers in the schematic are not necesarry the same as the module pin numbers you see in the datasheets. If you look at the pcb (see attachment) you see that the pin numbers for the tip120 (Q1) are in the order 2, 3, 1 which you can lookup in the schematic and you will see that they correspond to the actual datasheet pins for base, collector, emitter.

So yes it is kind of non logical but in the end on the pcb it is correct. What do you mean by voltage of positive connection? The +batt is 12V which goes to the 7810 and 7805 which create the +10V and +5V.

Good luck!

PS: the PDF and kicad files are always updated on the first post
The voltage amplitude schematic's positive connection, in the pdf, is not marked 12v, 10v or 5v....
If i connected the legs of the before mentioned components according to the numbers in the pdf,  will it then be wrong....? Eishhh.... do i have to reconnect according to the B, E, C, markings... as in my attachedments?

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
Mechanic, look at the blue lines in the attachment file Sharky posted, I think the two blue lines closest together represent the metal back of the tip120 and that's the way it should be soldered in, is this correct Sharky.

Sharky

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #91, on March 15th, 2012, 03:38 PM »
Jeff you are right! It is confusing but when you solder in the modules all is correct as it should be.

Mechanic, the PWR is a label to connect the voltage amplitude control sub circuit to the cell driver circuit. Power on the voltage amplitude control is indicated as +BATT which needs to be connected to a 12V battery.

Mechanic

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #92, on March 15th, 2012, 03:41 PM »
Quote from Jeff Nading on March 15th, 2012, 03:07 PM
Quote from Mechanic on March 15th, 2012, 02:08 PM
Quote from Sharky on March 15th, 2012, 01:41 PM
Quote from Mechanic on March 15th, 2012, 11:52 AM
Hi SHARKY.:s

Am i correct if i say the BC546B, 556B. Tip 120 & 2N3055's Leg numbers & leg names is confused.... or am i confused... ? Will this make a diffrence to your testing....? I'm still doing these last changes and then will be able to start testing.:huh: Don't know why i didn't notice it before... probably doesn't matter.


attachment=985][
[
:P
This is what i needed to figure out what leg is what and then noticed the prob... or not...

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
NB: Forgot to ask... the volt... ampl... positive connection is it 12, 10, 5 volts...?
Yes you are confused but very understandable, ... i was confused at first as well ;). You must look at the schematics with the pcb alongside it. In kicad you map all schematic components to modules which are the definitions of the actual casings, etc. The pin numbers in the schematic are not necesarry the same as the module pin numbers you see in the datasheets. If you look at the pcb (see attachment) you see that the pin numbers for the tip120 (Q1) are in the order 2, 3, 1 which you can lookup in the schematic and you will see that they correspond to the actual datasheet pins for base, collector, emitter.

So yes it is kind of non logical but in the end on the pcb it is correct. What do you mean by voltage of positive connection? The +batt is 12V which goes to the 7810 and 7805 which create the +10V and +5V.

Good luck!

PS: the PDF and kicad files are always updated on the first post
The voltage amplitude schematic's positive connection, in the pdf, is not marked 12v, 10v or 5v....
If i connected the legs of the before mentioned components according to the numbers in the pdf,  will it then be wrong....? Eishhh.... do i have to reconnect according to the B, E, C, markings... as in my attachedments?

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
Mechanic, look at the blue lines in the attachment file Sharky posted, I think the two blue lines closest together represent the metal back of the tip120 and that's the way it should be soldered in, is this correct Sharky.
I'm changing your'e name, "life boat" thanx uncle Jeff, thanx Sharky... I'll know continue my soldering 'lessons'... 0h45 am ...

Boere groete,
Mechanic.

Jeff Nading

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #93, on March 15th, 2012, 04:08 PM »
Quote from Mechanic on March 15th, 2012, 03:41 PM
Quote from Jeff Nading on March 15th, 2012, 03:07 PM
Quote from Mechanic on March 15th, 2012, 02:08 PM
Quote from Sharky on March 15th, 2012, 01:41 PM
Quote from Mechanic on March 15th, 2012, 11:52 AM
Hi SHARKY.:s

Am i correct if i say the BC546B, 556B. Tip 120 & 2N3055's Leg numbers & leg names is confused.... or am i confused... ? Will this make a diffrence to your testing....? I'm still doing these last changes and then will be able to start testing.:huh: Don't know why i didn't notice it before... probably doesn't matter.


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:P
This is what i needed to figure out what leg is what and then noticed the prob... or not...

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
NB: Forgot to ask... the volt... ampl... positive connection is it 12, 10, 5 volts...?
Yes you are confused but very understandable, ... i was confused at first as well ;). You must look at the schematics with the pcb alongside it. In kicad you map all schematic components to modules which are the definitions of the actual casings, etc. The pin numbers in the schematic are not necesarry the same as the module pin numbers you see in the datasheets. If you look at the pcb (see attachment) you see that the pin numbers for the tip120 (Q1) are in the order 2, 3, 1 which you can lookup in the schematic and you will see that they correspond to the actual datasheet pins for base, collector, emitter.

So yes it is kind of non logical but in the end on the pcb it is correct. What do you mean by voltage of positive connection? The +batt is 12V which goes to the 7810 and 7805 which create the +10V and +5V.

Good luck!

PS: the PDF and kicad files are always updated on the first post
The voltage amplitude schematic's positive connection, in the pdf, is not marked 12v, 10v or 5v....
If i connected the legs of the before mentioned components according to the numbers in the pdf,  will it then be wrong....? Eishhh.... do i have to reconnect according to the B, E, C, markings... as in my attachedments?

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
Mechanic, look at the blue lines in the attachment file Sharky posted, I think the two blue lines closest together represent the metal back of the tip120 and that's the way it should be soldered in, is this correct Sharky.
I'm changing your'e name, "life boat" thanx uncle Jeff, thanx Sharky... I'll know continue my soldering 'lessons'... 0h45 am ...

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
Your welcome Mechanic, and thanks Sharky.

~Russ

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #94, on March 16th, 2012, 03:16 AM »Last edited on March 16th, 2012, 03:17 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from Mechanic on March 15th, 2012, 03:41 PM
Quote from Jeff Nading on March 15th, 2012, 03:07 PM
Quote from Mechanic on March 15th, 2012, 02:08 PM
Quote from Sharky on March 15th, 2012, 01:41 PM
Quote from Mechanic on March 15th, 2012, 11:52 AM
Hi SHARKY.:s

Am i correct if i say the BC546B, 556B. Tip 120 & 2N3055's Leg numbers & leg names is confused.... or am i confused... ? Will this make a diffrence to your testing....? I'm still doing these last changes and then will be able to start testing.:huh: Don't know why i didn't notice it before... probably doesn't matter.


attachment=985][
[
:P
This is what i needed to figure out what leg is what and then noticed the prob... or not...

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
NB: Forgot to ask... the volt... ampl... positive connection is it 12, 10, 5 volts...?
Yes you are confused but very understandable, ... i was confused at first as well ;). You must look at the schematics with the pcb alongside it. In kicad you map all schematic components to modules which are the definitions of the actual casings, etc. The pin numbers in the schematic are not necesarry the same as the module pin numbers you see in the datasheets. If you look at the pcb (see attachment) you see that the pin numbers for the tip120 (Q1) are in the order 2, 3, 1 which you can lookup in the schematic and you will see that they correspond to the actual datasheet pins for base, collector, emitter.

So yes it is kind of non logical but in the end on the pcb it is correct. What do you mean by voltage of positive connection? The +batt is 12V which goes to the 7810 and 7805 which create the +10V and +5V.

Good luck!

PS: the PDF and kicad files are always updated on the first post
The voltage amplitude schematic's positive connection, in the pdf, is not marked 12v, 10v or 5v....
If i connected the legs of the before mentioned components according to the numbers in the pdf,  will it then be wrong....? Eishhh.... do i have to reconnect according to the B, E, C, markings... as in my attachedments?

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
Mechanic, look at the blue lines in the attachment file Sharky posted, I think the two blue lines closest together represent the metal back of the tip120 and that's the way it should be soldered in, is this correct Sharky.
I'm changing your'e name, "life boat" thanx uncle Jeff, thanx Sharky... I'll know continue my soldering 'lessons'... 0h45 am ...

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
yes, the schematic is not labeled correct for the TIP120... i just spent the last hr finding that out :) lol

here is some update photos...

i got it all on the board and lots of room to spare... only missing the Voltage amplitude circuit...

but scanning works but no lock in. i think this due to my gated frequency gen not working. I'm not getting my gated pulse train... its just a mess out of the gated pulse circuit... not sure what is wrong, but i will be checking the  original circuits to see what is wrong...
[attachment=995][attachment=996]
yeah! ~Russ

securesupplies

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #95, on March 18th, 2012, 01:01 AM »
Quote from Sharky on January 18th, 2012, 06:05 AM
Several people already have build their VIC circuits based on pictures and the schematics from WO9207861. If we want to replicate Meyers work and get the cell to work we need the complete schematics. Since 'they' only sell their complete VIC schematics and do not give the full design for free its time to work it out completely and offer it for FREE (yes i share the thoughts of Russ that this will only work if all is available for free).

Haxar already did some fine work in tracing the VIC card. I now started to completely design the entire VIC with KICAD. I choose this toolset because it is available on Linux/Windows, it is open-source, reasonable easy to learn, it supports nested schematics, it comes with a good autorouter function and has the abillity to generate gerber files for pcb manufacturing. Anyway, ... if you do not like KICAD it is your problem :P, else download it at http://kicad.sourceforge.net. I used KiCad-2011-12-28-BZR3254-stable-Win_full_with_components_doc_install.exe from http://iut-tice.ujf-grenoble.fr/cao/ . If you download the snapshots the libraries will not get installed. Download the project zip file and use the unarchive option in the KiCad main menu to load it.

Complete:
- variable pulse generator
- gated pulse generator
- phase lock loop circuit
- pulse indicator circuit
- resonant scanning circuit
- Voltage Amplitude Control
- cell driver circuit

Schematics build on prototype board and verified:
- variable pulse generator
- gated pulse generator
- phase lock loop circuit
- pulse indicator circuit
- resonant scanning circuit
- Voltage Amplitude Control
- cell driver circuit

PCB:
- Components to modules complete for current schematic
- Best not to make the PCB yet, need to verify the circuits first and there are still changes to be made.

Latest KiCad project file date: 13 march 2012

Regards,
Sharky
Hi Sharky

nice work very nice

it would really help alot if you could post jpg or gif images
of these to please.
.

I also invite you to help edit these with latest know how pic or specs please.

Stan Meyers  Vic circuit rebuild guide

Stan Meyers Vic style 1 Rebuild guide

Stan Meyers Vic style 2 Rebuilder rguide
RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #96, on March 18th, 2012, 01:03 AM »Last edited on March 18th, 2012, 01:05 AM by securesupplies
Hi Sharky

nice work very nice

it would really help alot if you could post jpg or gif images
of these to please.
.

I also invite you to help edit these with latest know how pic or specs please.

Stan Meyers  Vic circuit rebuild guide

Stan Meyers Vic style 1 Rebuild guide

Stan Meyers Vic style 2 Rebuilder rguide
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 16th, 2012, 03:16 AM
Quote from Mechanic on March 15th, 2012, 03:41 PM
Quote from Jeff Nading on March 15th, 2012, 03:07 PM
Quote from Mechanic on March 15th, 2012, 02:08 PM
Quote from Sharky on March 15th, 2012, 01:41 PM
Yes you are confused but very understandable, ... i was confused at first as well ;). You must look at the schematics with the pcb alongside it. In kicad you map all schematic components to modules which are the definitions of the actual casings, etc. The pin numbers in the schematic are not necesarry the same as the module pin numbers you see in the datasheets. If you look at the pcb (see attachment) you see that the pin numbers for the tip120 (Q1) are in the order 2, 3, 1 which you can lookup in the schematic and you will see that they correspond to the actual datasheet pins for base, collector, emitter.

So yes it is kind of non logical but in the end on the pcb it is correct. What do you mean by voltage of positive connection? The +batt is 12V which goes to the 7810 and 7805 which create the +10V and +5V.

Good luck!

PS: the PDF and kicad files are always updated on the first post
The voltage amplitude schematic's positive connection, in the pdf, is not marked 12v, 10v or 5v....
If i connected the legs of the before mentioned components according to the numbers in the pdf,  will it then be wrong....? Eishhh.... do i have to reconnect according to the B, E, C, markings... as in my attachedments?

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
Mechanic, look at the blue lines in the attachment file Sharky posted, I think the two blue lines closest together represent the metal back of the tip120 and that's the way it should be soldered in, is this correct Sharky.
I'm changing your'e name, "life boat" thanx uncle Jeff, thanx Sharky... I'll know continue my soldering 'lessons'... 0h45 am ...

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
yes, the schematic is not labeled correct for the TIP120... i just spent the last hr finding that out :) lol

here is some update photos...

i got it all on the board and lots of room to spare... only missing the Voltage amplitude circuit...

but scanning works but no lock in. i think this due to my gated frequency gen not working. I'm not getting my gated pulse train... its just a mess out of the gated pulse circuit... not sure what is wrong, but i will be checking the  original circuits to see what is wrong...

yeah! ~Russ
Hi Russ

Great work!



Stan Meyers  Vic circuit rebuild guide

Stan Meyers Vic style 1 Rebuild guide




Stan Meyers Vic style 2 Rebuilder rguide

Webmug

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #97, on March 22nd, 2012, 12:03 PM »
It looks like the "voltage amplitude control" circuit is working as Stan described it in the tech brief.

"Variable voltage range (32a xxx 32n) from one(1) up to twelve (12) volts"

Voltage can be adjusted with external pulse frequency duty cycle control. 1% to 99% translated to analog voltage amplitude 1V to 12V.
Minimal voltage offset and gain adjustable going into the cell driver circuit that drives the VIC primary coil.

Br,
Webmug

~Russ

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #98, on March 23rd, 2012, 01:10 AM »
Quote from Webmug on March 22nd, 2012, 12:03 PM
It looks like the "voltage amplitude control" circuit is working as Stan described it in the tech brief.

"Variable voltage range (32a xxx 32n) from one(1) up to twelve (12) volts"

Voltage can be adjusted with external pulse frequency duty cycle control. 1% to 99% translated to analog voltage amplitude 1V to 12V.
Minimal voltage offset and gain adjustable going into the cell driver circuit that drives the VIC primary coil.

Br,
Webmug
Webmug, are you using what we have in the schematics posted? if not could you please post the schematic your using. i know your pulsing it from 1-99% so i believe your using the circuit in the patents.

thanks!

~Russ

Webmug

RE: Complete VIC schematic and pcb (work in progress)
« Reply #99, on March 23rd, 2012, 04:10 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 23rd, 2012, 01:10 AM
Quote from Webmug on March 22nd, 2012, 12:03 PM
It looks like the "voltage amplitude control" circuit is working as Stan described it in the tech brief.

"Variable voltage range (32a xxx 32n) from one(1) up to twelve (12) volts"

Voltage can be adjusted with external pulse frequency duty cycle control. 1% to 99% translated to analog voltage amplitude 1V to 12V.
Minimal voltage offset and gain adjustable going into the cell driver circuit that drives the VIC primary coil.

Br,
Webmug
Webmug, are you using what we have in the schematics posted? if not could you please post the schematic your using. i know your pulsing it from 1-99% so i believe your using the circuit in the patents.

thanks!

~Russ
Russ,

I have (re)build the circuit from the patent WO 92/07861 Fig 4 "Voltage amplitude control"

I pulse the input "J analog voltage" with 0 to + 5V on a fix pulse frequency.
Then duty cycle is adjusted 1% to 99% with my pulser on that pulse frequency to regulate the voltage amplitude going to TX1 (primary input)
 
Br,
Webmug