The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work



~Russ

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #153, on June 8th, 2016, 08:28 PM »
Well. Crap. Lol. I'm going to be exploading stuff. Lol.

For now. Is it invert and flip my immage and it will be the right direction. Them overlay it again. Please.

That's a nice over lay from both of you. :)  thank you. !!!!

Guess I'll be rewinding my coil. Lol.

~Russ

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #154, on June 8th, 2016, 08:30 PM »Last edited on June 8th, 2016, 08:42 PM
I guess the lab is stocked and ready.

For some reason I thought if I fliped the coil it would be the oppisit direction. Lol. Oh well.

That is strange. I member going the right direction. Lol

~Russ

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #155, on June 8th, 2016, 08:45 PM »
The good news is that I now have the 23 awg. So im going to radio this coil tonight. I'm going to calculate out the ohms and see if I can match 15 ohms. I feel it needs to be 12 wires on each. So 24 x2.

This makes 6 "cools"  ???

I don't known. But the thickness of the wire and the ohms concern me. Guess it's better to have more wire then not enigh. ??


Matt Watts

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #156, on June 8th, 2016, 09:21 PM »Last edited on June 8th, 2016, 09:26 PM
Quote from ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 08:45 PM
I don't known. But the thickness of the wire and the ohms concern me. Guess it's better to have more wire then not enigh. ??
It won't help you 3DP guys, but I can certainly make a CNC version that is much bigger--12 inch ring and 9 inch bobbins.  You'll need some wire for that monster, which will bring the resistance up.  Could easily get the 36 bobbins holes for the gap that we are supposed to have too.

Has Marko given any reason why this coil can't scale up?

I haven't ordered the plastic yet--considering using 3/16th instead.  Just finished producing the G-code which should take much less time to run and cut all the parts.  Pretty certain I can have everything done in an evening.

Let me know if you think I should deviate from 007's version.



jrodney55

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #158, on June 8th, 2016, 10:38 PM »
Quote from ~Russ on June 8th, 2016, 08:28 PM
For now. Is it invert and flip my immage and it will be the right direction.

Guess I'll be rewinding my coil. Lol.
Russ I said "wound opposite directions" but that may not be correct. Following the wires around from left to right, the wires on his curve around top to bottom, where yours go around bottom to top. It may not make any difference at all. The geometry is the same.


~Russ

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #160, on June 9th, 2016, 12:55 AM »
Ok. So thses photos are of the restance of each additive "loop" on the toris.

Starting with one loop. Then conecting that one to a nother in series. And so on.

I have to have at least 4 ohms or it will ruin the amp.

So that is basically 8 "loops" . Then that only leaves me with 2 "loops" for shorting.

~Russ

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #161, on June 9th, 2016, 01:03 AM »
Now the interesting part.

When mesuring resistance. Across the finals 8 series "primary" L1 we get about 4.2 ohms.

This is good throughs the ranges 1k-10k

But when we shout the other 2 loops we get a rize in resistance.

The 1k and the 10k are dermaticaly diffrent

So the photos are open 1k.
Closed 1k
Closed 10k

~Russ

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #162, on June 9th, 2016, 01:08 AM »
Here is a single wire loop Capatance and inductance.  I just stuck with 1k for frequncy.

This meter dose funny things with the C value. Like through a - sight in there. The measurement might be wack. It all ways dose this kinda of thing. ... 


~Russ

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #164, on June 9th, 2016, 01:17 AM »Last edited on June 9th, 2016, 01:20 AM
so the question is. Did 007 mesure the resistance of the coil with the coil shorted?

This could explain the 15 ohms.

~Russ

Ps don't forget. This is 22 awg at the moment. Everything changes with different wire. However. This gives us some ideas on what to expect.

~Russ

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #165, on June 9th, 2016, 01:33 AM »
Quote from Matt Watts on June 8th, 2016, 09:21 PM
It won't help you 3DP guys, but I can certainly make a CNC version that is much bigger--12 inch ring and 9 inch bobbins.  You'll need some wire for that monster, which will bring the resistance up.  Could easily get the 36 bobbins holes for the gap that we are supposed to have too.

Has Marko given any reason why this coil can't scale up?

I haven't ordered the plastic yet--considering using 3/16th instead.  Just finished producing the G-code which should take much less time to run and cut all the parts.  Pretty certain I can have everything done in an evening.

Let me know if you think I should deviate from 007's version.
Should b scaleable. No problem

007's is the same as daniaels. So it's a good size I think. Its just the amount of conductors that I want to change...



~Russ

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #168, on June 9th, 2016, 07:49 AM »Last edited on June 9th, 2016, 07:52 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on June 9th, 2016, 01:36 AM
I'd go to 18 then and short 9 of them.
23awg?

Or you mean to get 1/2 the wires for a 4 ohm load... Yeah.

For 22 awg that sounds good.

I'll have to calulate for the 23 awg. But it still "looks" like 007 wire bundle is bigger. But it can't be that he is using bigger wire. It would have to low resistance.  It has to be from adding conducters to get 1/2 and 1/2 for the "copper core"   

I still say we can just add a big single conducter at the core of need be. Is we can do parallel

jeremy gwilt

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #169, on June 9th, 2016, 08:57 AM »
Quote from ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 07:49 AM
I still say we can just add a big single conducter at the core of need be. Is we can do parallel
i was wondering about this as well. currently my L1 is 24 strands of 28awg but i wanted to throw 1 or 2 strands of 22awg in for the 'core'. i can already tell that ill be making a second coil at some point as well.

~Russ

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #170, on June 9th, 2016, 09:55 AM »
Quote from jeremy gwilt on June 9th, 2016, 08:57 AM
i was wondering about this as well. currently my L1 is 24 strands of 28awg but i wanted to throw 1 or 2 strands of 22awg in for the 'core'. i can already tell that ill be making a second coil at some point as well.
here is a something that will boggle your mined...

i have always been putting real " copper cores" in my VBM coils...

this is the last coil i make years ago... it has 2 "copper cores" you can see looking in to the hole... ( don't ask me how i got it in there :)

point is i was using it differently, but that's in its self is quite interesting that i was kind on the right path... coincidence... i don't think so.


jeremy gwilt

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #171, on June 9th, 2016, 10:01 AM »
i remember the huge extra coil in your pulse motor one year that you said you hadnt even used. i have a vision of you playing one of those little snake charmer horns while the coil wraps itself  :D

Matt Watts

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #172, on June 9th, 2016, 10:59 AM »
Quote from ~Russ on June 9th, 2016, 07:49 AM
I still say we can just add a big single conducter at the core of need be. Is we can do parallel
IMHO, Negative.

Think about the stuff we learned from Dale Pond (Sympathetic Vibration).  Each strand of wire is acting like a guitar string and they are all resonating at approximately the same frequency, because of their length, thickness and tension.  If you change any one of those factors, you will have to perfectly hit on a harmonic or the effect will be gone.

So to me, adding more conductors is fine, but all the conductors must be as identical to each other as possible.  The half-n-half aspect of the copper core probably has to do with how the Lenz Law effect gets phase shifted out of our way.  I think 007 figured this out.  I also think the number of conductors we use should be a count divisible by both 2 and 3, which is why I suggested 18.

VBM:
  12 = 3
  15 = 6
  18 = 9

15 is out because we cannot split it evenly, but it may work with splitting 9 for the coil; 6 for the copper core.  I have no idea what effect this kind of configuration would do.  Maybe someone would like to try it and see.


Matt Watts

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #173, on June 9th, 2016, 11:22 AM »Last edited on June 9th, 2016, 11:31 AM
The other thing I would like to mention based on the work TheOldScientist did and the fact that 007 used a high voltage input (customized) power supply is:  The output of this device will charge capacitors like crazy.  There are probably some kind of energy spikes coming out of this thing we may not even be able to measure.  This is happening even though the input looks to be mostly all reactive power cycling between the coil and the amplifier.  What I'm saying is purely speculation, but having studied the Russian devices for as long as I have, I can see similarities in behavior.

I also suspect a lossless clamps driver circuit may be ideal for energizing this device since it recovers almost all the reactive power without resistive components dissipating heat.  It's a rather unique circuit all on its own and proven to be very effective and almost indestructible.